Disputool

Arguments Table

Speech	Name	Component	Year	Date
Good evening.	Edwin Newman	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
I'm Edwin Newman, moderator of this first debate of the 1976 campaign between Gerald R. Ford of Michigan, Republican candidate for president, and Jimmy Carter of Georgia, Democratic candidate for president.	Edwin Newman	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
We thank you, President Ford and we thank you, Governor Carter, for being with us tonight.	Edwin Newman	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
There are to be three debates between the presidential candidates and one between the vice-presidential candidates.	Edwin Newman	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
All are being arranged by the League of Women Voters Education Fund.	Edwin Newman	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
Tonight's debate, the first between presidential candidates in sixteen years and the first ever in which an incumbent president has participated, is taking place before an audience in the Walnut Street Theater in Philadelphia, just three blocks from Independence Hall.	Edwin Newman	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
The television audience may reach a hundred million in the United States and many millions overseas.	Edwin Newman	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
Tonight's debate focuses on domestic issues and economic policy.	Edwin Newman	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
Questions will be put by Frank Reynolds of ABC News, James Gannon of the Wall Street Journal, and Elizabeth Drew of the New Yorker magazine.	Edwin Newman	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
Under the agreed rules the first question will go to Governor Carter.	Edwin Newman	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
That was decided by the toss of a coin.	Edwin Newman	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
He will have up to three minutes to answer.	Edwin Newman	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
One follow-up question will be permitted with up to two minutes to reply.	Edwin Newman	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
President Ford will then have two minutes to respond.	Edwin Newman	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
The next question will go to President Ford with the same time arrangements, and questions will continue to be alternated between the candidates.	Edwin Newman	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
Each man will make a three-minute statement at the end, Governor Carter to go first.	Edwin Newman	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
President Ford and Governor Carter do not have any notes or prepared remarks with them this evening.	Edwin Newman	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
Mr. Reynolds, your question for Governor Carter.	Edwin Newman	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
Mr. President, Governor Carter.	REYNOLDS	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
Governor, in an interview with the Associated Press last week, you said you believed these debates would alleviate a lot of concern that some voters have about you.	REYNOLDS	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
Well, one of those concerns, not an uncommon one about uh - candidates in any year, is that many voters say they don't really know where you stand.	REYNOLDS	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
Now, you have made jobs your number one priority and you have said you are committed to a drastic reduction in unemployment.	REYNOLDS	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
Can you say now, Governor, in specific terms, what your first step would be next January, if you are elected, to achieve that.	REYNOLDS	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
Yes.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
First of all is to recognize a tremendous economic strength in this country and to set the putting to - back to work of our people as a top priority.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
This is uh - an effort that ought to be done primarily by strong leadership in the White House, the inspiration of our people, the tapping of uh - business, agriculture, industry, labor and government at all levels to work on this uh project.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
We'll never have uh - an end to the inflationary spiral, and we'll never have a balanced budget until we get our people back to work.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
There are several things that can be done specifically that are not now being done.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
First of all, to channel research and development funds into areas that will provide uh large numbers of jobs.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
Secondly, we need to have a commitment in the uh private sector uh - to cooperate with government in matters like housing.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
Here a very small investment of taxpayer's money - in the housing field can bring large numbers of extra jobs, and the guarantee of mortgage loans, and the uh - putting forward of uh - two-0-two programs for housing for older people and so forth to cut down the roughly 20 percent unemployment that now exists in the - in the construction industry.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
Another thing is to deal with our - uh needs in the central cities, where the unemployment rate is extremely high: sometimes among minority groups, or those who don't speak English, or who're black, or young people, or - 40 percent of the employment.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
Here a CCC type program would be appropriate to channel money into the ah - cha- in - in into the sharing with the private sector and also local and state governments to employ young people who are now out of work.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
Another very important - uh aspect of our - uh economy would be to increase production in every way possible, uh to hold down - uh taxes on individuals, and to uh shift the tax burdens onto those who have avoided paying taxes in the past.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
These uh - kinds of specific things, uh none of which are being done now, would be a great help in - in reducing uh unemployment.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
There is uh - uh an additional factor that needs to be done and covered very - very succinctly, and that is, to make sure that we have a good relationship between management - business on the one hand, and labor, on the other.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
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ery high, we might channel specific uh targeted job - job - uh opportunities by paying part of the salary of unemployed people - uh and also sharing with uh - local governments the uh - payment of salaries which would uh - let us cut down the unemployment rate much lower, before we hit the inflationary level.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
But I believe that by the end of the first four years of uh - of the next term we could have the unemployment down to 3 percent adult unemployment, which is about uh - 4 to 4 and a half percent overall uh controlled inflation rate and have a uh balance of growth of about - uh 4 to 6 percent, around 5 percent which would give us a balanced budget.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
Governor, uh - in the event you are successful and you do achieve a drastic drop	REYNOLDS	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
Yes, in unemployment that is likely to create additional pressure on prices, how willing are you to consider an incomes policy, in other words, wage and price controls?	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
Well - we now have such uh - a low utilization of uh - our productive capacity - uh about 73 percent; I think it's about the lowest since the Great Depression years - and such a high unemployment rate now - uh 7.9 percent - that - uh we have a long way to go in getting people to work before we have the inflationary pressures.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
And I think this would uh - this would be uh easy to accomplish, to get jobs down, without having strong in- inflationary pressures that - that would be necessary.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
I would not favor the uh - payment of uh - of a given fixed income to people unless they are not able to work.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
But with tax incentives for the low-income groups we could build up their uh - income levels uh - above the poverty level and not uh make welfare more uh - profitable than - than work.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
Mr. President, your response.	Edwin Newman	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
I don't believe that uh that Mr. Carter's been any more specific in this case than he has been on many other instances.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
I notice particularly that he didn't endorse the Humphrey-Hawkins bill which he has on occasions and which is included as a part of the Democratic platform.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
That legislation uh allegedly would help our unemployment, but uh - we all know that it would've controlled our economy, it would've added uh - ten to thirty billion dollars each year in additional expenditures by the Federal Government.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
It would've called for export controls on agricultural products In my judgment the best way to get jobs is to uh - expand the private sector, where five out of six jobs today exist in our economy.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
We can do that by reducing Federal taxes as I proposed uh - about a year ago when I called for a tax reduction of $28 billion - three-quarters of it to go to private uh taxpayers and uh one-quarter to the business sector.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
We could add to jobs in the major metropolitan areas by a proposal that I recommended that would give tax incentives to business to move into the inner city and to expand or to build new plants so that they would take a plant, or expand a plant where people are, and people are currently unemployed.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
We could uh - also uh - help our youths with some of the proposals that uh - would give to young people an opportunity to work and learn at the same time just like we give money to young people who are going to college.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
Those are the kind of specifics that I think we have to discuss on these uh - debates, and these are the kind of programs that I'll talk about on my time.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
Mr. Gannon, your question to President Ford.	Edwin Newman	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
Mr. President, I would like to continue for a moment on this uh question of taxes which you have just raised.	GANNON	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
You have said that you favor more tax cuts for middle-income Americans - even those earning up to $30 thousand a year.	GANNON	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
That presumably would cost the Treasury quite a bit of money in lost revenue.	GANNON	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
In view of the very large budget deficits that you have accumulated and that are still in prospect, how is it possible to promise further tax cuts and to reach your goal of balancing the budget?	GANNON	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
At the time, Mr. Gannon, that I made the recommendation for a $28 billion tax cut - three-quarters of it to go to individual taxpayers and 25 percent to American business.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
I said at the time that we had to hold the lid an federal spending, that for every dollar of a tax reduction we had to have an equal reduction in federal expenditures - a one-for-one proposition.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
And I recommended that to the Congress with a budget ceiling of three hundred and ninety-five billion dollars, and that would have permitted us to have a $25 billion tax reduction.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
In my tax reduction program for middle-income taxpayers, I recommended that the Congress increase personal exemptions from seven hundred and fifty dollars per person to one thousand dollars per person.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
That would mean, of course, that for a family of four that that family would have a thousand dollars more personal exemption - money that they could spend for their own purposes, money that the government wouldn't have to spend.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
But if we keep the lid on federal spending, which I think we can - with the help of the Congress, we can justify fully a $28 billion tax reduction.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
In the budget that I submitted to the Congress in January this year, I re- recommended a 50 percent cutback in the rate of growth of federal spending.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
For the last ten years the budget of the United States has grown from uh - about 11 percent per year.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
We can't afford that kind of growth in federal spending.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
And in the budget that I recommended we cut it in half - a growth rate of 5 to 5 and one-half percent.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
With that kind of limitation, on federal spending, we can fully justify the tax reductions that I have proposed.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
And it seems to me with the stimulant of more money in the hands of the taxpayers, and with more money in the hands of business to expand, to modernize, to provide more jobs, our economy stimulated so that we'll get more revenue and we'll have a more prosperous economy.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
Mr. President, to follow up a moment, uh - the Congress has passed a tax bill which is before you now, which did not meet exactly the uh - sort of outline that you requested.	GANNON	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
What is your intention on that bill, uh - since it doesn't meet your - your requirements?	GANNON	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
Do you plan to sign that bill?	GANNON	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
That tax bill does not entirely meet the criteria that I established.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
I think the Congress should have uh - added another $10 billion reduction in personal income taxes, including the increase of personal exemptions from seven hundred and fifty to a thousand dollars.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
And Congress could have done that if the budget committees of the Congress, and the Congress as a whole, had not increased the spending that I recommended in the budget.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
I'm sure that you know that in the resolutions passed by the Congress, that have added about $17 billion in more spending, by the Congress over the budget that I recommended.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
So I would prefer in that tax bill to have an additional tax cut and a further limitation on federal spending.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
Now this tax bill - that hasn't reached the White House yet, but is expected in a day or two - it's about fifteen hundred pages.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
It has some good provisions in it.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
It has - uh left out some that I have recommended, unfortunately.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
On the other hand, uh when you have a bill of that magnitude, with - tho- those many provisions, a president has to sit and decide if there's more good than bad.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
And from the a- analysis that I've made so far, it seems to me that that tax bill does uh - justify my signature and my approval.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
Governor Carter, your response.	Edwin Newman	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
Well, Mr. Ford is - is uh changing uh considerably his previous philosophy.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
The present tax structure is a disgrace to this country; it's just a welfare program for the rich.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
As a matter of fact, uh - 25 percent of the total tax deductions, go for only 1 percent of the richest people in this country, and over 50 percent of the tax uh credits go for the 14 percent of the richest people in this country.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
When Mr. Ford first became president in - in August of 1974, the first thing he did in - in October was to ask for a $4.7 billion increase in taxes on our people in the midst of the heaviest recession, since uh - since the great depression of nineteen uh - of the 1940s.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
In uh - January of 1975 he asked for a tax change: a $5.6 billion increase on low-and-middle-income private individuals, a six and a half billion dollar decrease on the corporations and the special interests.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
In uh - December of uh - 1975 he vetoed the roughly 18 to 20 billion dollar uh tax-reduction bill that had been passed by the Congress, and then he came back later on in January of this year and he did advocate a $10 billion tax reduction, but it would be offset by a $6 billion increase this coming January in deductions for Social Security payments and for unemployment compensation.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
The whole philosophy of the Republican party, including uh - my opponent, has been to pile on taxes on low-income people to take 'em off on the corporations.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
As a matter fact, in - sin- since the late sixties when Mr. Nixon took office, we've had a reduction in uh - in the percentage of taxes paid by corporations from 30 percent down to about 20 percent.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
We've had an increase in taxes paid by individuals, payroll taxes, from14 Percent up to 20 percent.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
And this is what the Republicans have done to us.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
And this is why a tax reform is so important.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
Mrs. Drew, your question to Governor Carter.	Edwin Newman	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
Uh Governor Carter, you proposed a number of new or enlarged programs, including jobs, health, welfare reform, child care, aid to education, aid to cities, changes in social security and housing subsidies.	DREW	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
You've also said that you wanna balance the budget by the end of your first term.	DREW	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
Now you haven't put a price tag on those programs, but even if we price them conservatively and we count for full employment by the end of your first term, and we count for the economic growth that would occur during that period, there still isn't enough money to pay for those programs and balance the budget by any - any estimates that I've been able to see.	DREW	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
So, in that case what would give?	DREW	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
Well, as a matter of fact there is.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
If we assume the ah - uh - a rate of growth of our economy, equivalent to what it was during President Johnson, President Kennedy, even before the - the - the - uh wa uh - Vietnese- namese War, and if we assume that at the end of the four-year period we can cut our unemployment rate down to 4 to 4 and a half percent - under those circumstances, even assuming no elimination of unnecessary programs and assuming an increase in the ad- in the allotment of money to finance programs, increasing as the inflation rate does - my economic projections, I think confirmed by the House uh - and the Senate committees, have been with the $60 billion extra amount of money that can be spent in fiscal year '81 which will be the last year of this next term.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
Within that sixty-billion dollars increase there would be fit the programs that I promised the American people.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
I might say too, that - that if we see that these goals cannot be reached - and I believe they're reasonable goals - then I would cut back on the rate of implement- implementation of new programs in order to accommodate a balanced budget by fiscal year '81 which is the last year of the next term.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
I believe that we ought to have a balanced budget during normal economic circumstances.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
And uh - these projections have been very carefully made.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
I stand behind them.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
And if they should be in error slightly on the down side, then I'll phase in the programs that we've uh - advocated, more slowly.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
Governor, uh - according to the budget committees of the Congress tha- tha- tha- that you referred to, if we get to full employment - what they project at a 4 percent unemployment - and, as you say, even allowing for the inflation in the programs, there would not be anything more than a surplus of $5 billion by the end of ninet- by 1981.	DREW	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
And conservative estimates of your programs would be that they'd be about 85 to a hundred billion dollars.	DREW	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
So how - how do you say that you're going to be able to do these things and balance the budget?	DREW	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
Well, the uh - the assumption that - that you uh - have described as different is in the rate of growth of our economy.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
No, they took that into account in those figures.	DREW	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
I believe that it's accurate to say that - that the - that the committees to whom you refer with the - the employment that you uh - state, and with the 5 to 5 and a half percent growth rate in our economy, that the uh - projections would be a uh - a $60 billion increase in the amount of money that we'd have to spend in l981 compared to now.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
And uh - with that uh - in that framework would befit the - any improvements in the programs.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
Now this does not include uh - any uh - uh extra control over uh unnecessary spending, the weeding out of obsolete or obsolescent programs.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
Uh - we'll have uh - a safety version built in with complete reorganization of the executive branch of government which I am pledged to do.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
The present bureaucratic structure of the - of the Federal Government is a mess.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
And if I'm elected president that's gonna be a top priority of mine to completely revise the structure of the federal government, to make it economical, efficient, purposeful and manageable for a change.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
And also, I'm going to institute zero-based budgeting which I used four years in Georgia, which uh - assesses every program every year, and eliminates those programs that are obsolete or obsolescent.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
But with these projections, we will have a balanced budget by fiscal year 1981, if I'm elected president.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
Keep my promises to the American people.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
And it's just predicated on very modest, but I think accurate, projections of employment increases and uh - a growth in our national economy equal to what was experienced under Kennedy, Johnson, before the Vietnam War.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
President Ford.	Edwin Newman	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
If it is uh true that there will be a $60 billion surplus by fiscal year 1981, rather than spend that money for all the new programs that Governor Carter recommends and endorses, and which are included in the Democratic platform, I think the American taxpayer ought to get an additional tax break - a tax reduction of that magnitude.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
I feel that the taxpayers are the ones that need the relief: I don't think we should add additional programs of the magnitude that Governor Carter talks about.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
It seems to me that our tax structure today has rates that are too high.	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
But I am uh - very glad to point out that since 1969, during a Republican administrations, we have had ten million people taken off of the tax rolls at the lower end of the taxpayer area.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
And at the same time, assuming that I sign the tax bill that was mentioned by Mr. Gannon, we will in the last two tax bills have increased the minimum tax on all wealthy taxpayers.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
And I believe that by eliminating ten million taxpayers in the last uh eight years, and by putting a heavier tax burden on those in the higher tax brackets, plus the other actions that've been taken uh - we can give taxpayers adequate tax relief.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
Now it seems to me that uh - as we look at the recommendations of the budget committees and our own projections, there isn't going to be any $60 billion dividend.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
I've heard of those dividends in the past; it always happens.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
We expected one at the time of the Vietnam War, but it was used up before we ever ended the war and taxpayers never got the adequate relief they deserved.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
Mr. Reynolds.	Edwin Newman	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
Mr. President, when you came into office you spoke very eloquently of the need for a time for healing, and very early in your administration you went out to Chicago and you announced, you proposed a program of uh case-by-case pardons for draft resisters to restore them to full citizenship.	REYNOLDS	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
Some fourteen thousand young men took advantage of your offer, but another ninety thousand did not.	REYNOLDS	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
In granting the pardon to former President Nixon, sir, part of your rationale was to put Watergate behind us to - if I may quote you again - truly end our long national nightmare.	REYNOLDS	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
Why does not the same rationale apply now, today, in our Bicentennial year, to the young men who resisted in Vietnam, and many of them still in exile abroad?	REYNOLDS	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
The amnesty program that I recommended in Chicago in September of 1974 would give to all draft evaders and - uh military deserters the opportunity to earn their uh - good record back.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
About fourteen to fifteen thousand did take advantage of that program.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
We gave them ample time.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
I am against- an across-the-board pardon of draft evaders or military deserters.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
Now in the case of Mr. Nixon, the reason the - the pardon was given, was that, when I took office this country was in a very, very divided condition.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
There was hatred, there was divisiveness - uh people had lost faith in their government in many, many respects.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
Mr. Nixon resigned, and I became president.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
It seemed to me that if I was to uh adequately and effectively handle the problems of high inflation, a growing recession, the uh - involvement of the United States still in Vietnam that I had to give a hundred percent of my time to those two major problems.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
Mr. Nixon resigned.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
That is disgrace.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
The first President out of thirty-eight that ever resigned from public office under pressure.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
So when you look at the penalty that he paid, and when you analyze the requirements that I had - to spend all of my time working on the economy, which was in trouble, that I inherited; working on our problems in Southeast Asia - which were still plaguing us - it seemed to me that Mr. Nixon had been penalized enough by his resignation in disgrace and the need, and necessity for me to concentrate on the problems of the country fully justified the action that I took.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
I take it then, sir, that you do not believe that uh - it is - that you are going to reconsider and uh - think about those ninety thousand who are still abroad.	REYNOLDS	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
Uh - have they not been penalized enough - many of 'em been there for years?	REYNOLDS	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
Well, Mr. Carter has uh indicated that uh - he would give a blanket pardon to all uh - draft evaders.	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
I do not agree with that point of view.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
I gave, in September of 1974, an opportunity for all draft evaders, all deserters, to come in voluntarily, clear their records by earning an opportunity to restore their good citizenship.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
I think we gave them a good opportunity - we're - I don't think we should go any further.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
Governor Carter.	Edwin Newman	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
Well I think it's uh... very difficult for President Ford to uh - explain the difference between the pardon of President Nixon and - and uh - his attitude toward those who violated the draft laws.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
As a matter of fact - now- I don't advocate amnesty; I advocate pardon.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
There's a difference in my opinion - uh and in accordance with the ruling of the Supreme Court and accordance with the definition in the dictionary.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
Amnesty means that - that you uh - that what you did was right.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
Pardon means that what you did, whether it's right or wrong, you're forgiven for it.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
And I do advocate a pardon for - for draft evaders.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
I think it's accurate to say that in uh - two years ago when Mr. Nixon - Mr. Ford put in this uh amnesty that three times as many deserters were uh - excused as were - as were the uh - the ones who evaded the draft.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
But I think that now is the time to heal our country after the Vietnam War and I think that what the people are concerned about is not the - uh pardon or the amnesty of uh - those who evaded the draft, but - but whether or not our crime system is - is fair.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
We've got a - a sharp distinction drawn between white collar crime - the - the - the big shots who are rich, who are influential uh very seldom go to jail; those who are poor and - and who have uh no influence - uh quite often are the ones who are punished.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
And - and the whole uh subject of crime is one that concerns our people very much, and I believe that the fairness of it is - is what - uh - is a - is a major problem that addresses our - our leader and this is something that hasn't been addressed adequately by - by this administration.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
But I - I hope to have a complete uh responsibility on my shoulders to help bring about a - a fair uh - criminal justice system and also to - to bring about uh - an end to the - to the divise- divisiveness that has occurred in our country uh as a result of the Vietnam War.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
Mr. Gannon.	Edwin Newman	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
Governor Carter, you have promised a sweeping overhaul of the federal government, including a reduction in the number of government agencies - you say it would go down about two hundred from some nineteen hundred.	GANNON	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
That sounds, indeed, like a very deep cut in the federal government.	GANNON	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
But isn't it a fact that you're not really talking about fewer federal employees or less government spending, but rather that you are talking about reshaping the federal government, not making it smaller?	GANNON	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
Well, I've been through this before, Mr. Gannon, as the governor of Georgia.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
When I took aver we had uh a bureaucratic mess, like we have in Washington now, and we had three hundred agencies, departments, bureaus, commissions - uh some uh - fully budgeted, some not, but all having responsibility to carry out that was in conflict.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
And we cut those three hundred - uh agencies and so forth down substantially.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
We eliminated two hundred and seventy-eight of them.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
We set up a simple structure of government that could be administrated fairly and it was a - a tremendous success.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
It hasn't been undone since I was there.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
It resulted also in an ability to reshape our court system, our prison system, our education system, our mental health programs and - and a clear assignment of responsibility and - and authority and also to have uh our people once again understanding control our government.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
I intend to do the same thing if I'm elected president.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
When I get to Washington, coming in as an outsider, one of the major responsibilities that - that I will have on my shoulder is a complete reorganization of the - of the executive branch of government.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
We now have uh - a greatly expanded White House staff.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
When Mr. Nixon went in office, for instance, we had three and a half million dollars spent on - on the White House and its staff.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
That has escalated now to sixteen and a half million dollars, in the last uh Republican administration.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
This needs to be changed.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
We need to put the responsibilities back on the cabinet members.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
We also need to have a great reduction in agencies and programs.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
For instance, we now have uh - in the health area three hundred and two different programs administered by eleven major departments and agencies, sixty other advisory commissions responsible for this.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
Medicaid's in one agency; Medicare is in a different one.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
The - the check on the quality of health care is in a different one.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
None of them uh are responsible for health care itself.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
This makes it almost impossible for us to have a good health program.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
We have uh - just advocated uh - this past week a consolidation of the responsibilities for energy.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
Our country now has no comprehensive energy program or policy.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
We have twenty different agencies in the federal government responsible for the production, the regulation, the uh - information about energy, the conservation of energy, spread all over government.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
This is a - a gross waste of money, so tough, competent management of government, giving us a simple efficient purposeful and manageable government would be a great step forward and if I'm elected - and I intend to be - then it's gonna be done.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
Well, I'd like to - to press my question on the number of federal employees - whether you would really plan to reduce the overall - uh number, or - or merely put them in different departments and relabel them.	GANNON	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
Uh - in your energy plan, you consolidate a number of a - agencies into one, or you would, but uh does that really change the overall?	GANNON	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
I can't say for sure that we would have fewer federal employees when I go out of office than when I come in.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
It took me about three years to completely reorganize the Georgia government.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
The last year I was in office uh - our budget was - was actually less than it was a year before, uh which showed a great uh improvement.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
Also, we had a - a 2 percent increase in the number of employees the last year.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
But it was a tremendous shift from administrative jobs into the delivery of services.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
For instance, we uh - completely revised our prison system.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
We established eighty-four new mental health treatment centers.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
And we shifted people out of administrative jobs into the field to deliver better services.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
The same thing will be done uh - at the federal government level.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
I - I accomplished this with s - substantial reductions in employees in some departments.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
For instance, in the Transportation Department uh we had uh - we cut back about 25 percent of the total number of employees.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
In giving our people better mental health care, we increased the number of employees.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
But the efficiency of it, the simplicity of it, the uh ability of people to understand their own government and control it was a - was a uh - substantial benefit derived from complete reorganization.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
We uh - have got to do that at the federal government level.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
If we don't, the bureaucratic mess is going to continue.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
There's no way for our people now to understand what their government is.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
There's no way to get the answer to a question.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
When you come to Washington to try to - as a governor - to try to begin a new program for your people, like uh the treatment of drug addicts, I found there were thirteen different federal agencies that I had to go to, to manage the uh drug treatment program.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
In the Georgia government we only had one agency responsible for drug treatment.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
This is the kind of change that would be made.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
And uh - it would be of - of tremendous benefit in long-range planning, in tight budgeting, uh saving the taxpayers' money, making the government more efficient, cutting down on bureaucratic waste, having a clear delineation of authority and responsibility of employees, and giving our people a better chance to understand and control their government.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
President Ford.	Edwin Newman	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
I think the record should show, Mr. Newman, that uh - the Bureau of Census - we checked it just yesterday - indicates that uh - in the four years that uh - Governor Carter was governor of the state of Georgia, uh - expenditures by the government went up over 50 percent Uh - employees of the government in Georgia during his term of office went up over 25 percent; and the figures also show that the uh, uh - bonded indebtedness of the state of Georgia during his governorship went up over 20 percent.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
And there was some very interesting testimony given by Governor Carter's successor, Governor Busby, before a Senate committee a few uh - months ago on how he found the Medicaid program when he came into office following Governor Carter.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
He testified, and these are his words - the present governor of Georgia - he says he found the Medicaid program in Georgia in shambles.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
Now let me talk about what we've done in the White House as far as federal employees are concerned The first order that I issued after I became president was to cut or eliminate the prospective forty-thousand increase in federal employees that had been scheduled by my predecessor.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
And in the term that I've been president - some two years - we have reduced federal employment by eleven thousand.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
In the White House staff itself, when I became president, we had roughly five hundred and forty employees.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
We now have about four hundred and eighty-five employees, so we've made a rather significant reduction in the number of employees on the White House staff working for the president.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
So I think our record of cutting back employees, plus the failure on the part of the Governor's programs to actually save employment in Georgia, shows which is the better plan.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
Mrs. Drew.	Edwin Newman	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
Mr. President, at Vail, after the Republican convention, you announced that you would now emphasize five new areas; among those were jobs and housing and health and improved recreational facilities for Americans.	DREW	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
And you also added crime.	DREW	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
You also mentioned education.	DREW	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
For two years you've been telling us that we couldn't do very much in these areas because we couldn't afford it; and in fact we do have a $50 billion deficit now.	DREW	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
In rebuttal to Governor Carter a little bit earlier, you said that if there were to be any surplus in the next few years you thought it should be turned back to the people in the form of tax relief.	DREW	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
So how are you going to pay for any new initiatives in these areas you announced at Vail you were going to now stress?	DREW	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
Well, in the uh - last two years, as I indicated before, we had a very tough time.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
We were faced with uh - heavy inflation, over 12 percent; we were faced with substantial unemployment.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
But in the last uh - twenty-four months we've turned the economy around and we've brought inflation down to under 6 percent, and we have reduced the uh - well, we have added employment of about four million in the last seventeen months to the point where we have eighty-eight million people working in America today - the most in the history of the country.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
The net result is we are going to have some improvement in our receipts.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
And I think we'll have some decrease in our disbursements.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
We expect to have a lower deficit in fiscal year 1978.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
We feel that with this improvement in the economy; we feel with more receipts and fewer disbursements we can in a moderate way increase, as I recommended, over the next ten years a new parks program that would cast a billion and a half dollars, doubling our national park system.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
We have recommended that in the h- housing program we can reduce down payments and moderate monthly payments.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
But that doesn't cost any more as far as the federal treasury is concerned.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
We believe that we can uh do a better job in the area of crime, but that requires a tougher sentencing, mandatory certain prison sentences for those who violate our criminal laws.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
We - uh believe that uh you can revise the federal criminal code, which has not been revised in a good many years.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
That doesn't cost any more money.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
We believe that you can uhh - do something more effectively with a moderate increase in money in the drug abuse program.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
We feel that uh - in education we can have a slight increase - not a major increase.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
It's my understanding that Governor Carter has indicated that uh - he approves of a $30 billion uh - expenditure by the federal government as far as education is concerned.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
At the present time we're spending roughly three billion five hundred million dollars.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
I don't know where that money would come from.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
But as we look at the quality-of-life programs - jobs, health, education, crime, recreation - we feel that as we move forward with a healthier economy, we can absorb the small necessary cost that will be required.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
Sir, in the next few years would you try to reduce the deficit, would you spend more money far these programs that you have just outlined, or would you, as you said earlier, return whatever surplus you got to the people in the form of tax relief?	DREW	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
We feel that uh - with the programs that I have recommended, the additional $10 billion tax cut, with the moderate increases in the quality-of-life area, we can still have a balanced budget which I will submit to the Congress in January of 1978.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
We won't wait one year or two years longer, as Governor Carter uh - indicates.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
As the economy improves, and it is improving, our gross national product this year will average about 6 percent increase over last year.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
We will have the lower rate of inflation for the uh - calendar year this year - something slightly under 6 percent.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
Employment will be up, revenues will be up.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
We'll keep the lid on some of these programs that we can hold down as we have a little extra money to spend for those quality-of-life programs which I think are needed and necessary.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
Now I cannot, and would not, endorse the kind of program that uh - Governor Carter recommends.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
He endorses the Democratic uh - platform which, as I read it, calls for approximately sixty additional programs.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
We estimate that those programs would add a hundred billion dollars minimum and probably two hundred billion dollars - uhh maximum each year to the federal budget.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
Those programs you cannot afford and give tax relief.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
We feel that you can hold the line and restrain federal spending, give a tax reduction and still have a balanced budget by 1978.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
Governor Carter.	Edwin Newman	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
Well, Mr. Ford takes the uh - same attitude that the Republicans always take.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
In the last three months before an election, they're always for the programs that they always fight the other three-and-one-half years.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
Uh - I remember when uh - Herbert Hoover was against uh - jobs for people.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
I remember when Alf Landon was against Social Security and uh - later President Nixon, sixteen years ago, was telling the public that John Kennedy's proposals would bankrupt the country and would double the cost.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
The best thing to do is to look at the record uh - of Mr. Ford's Administration and Mr. Nixon's before his.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
Uh - we had last year a $65 billion deficit - the largest deficit in the history of our country - more of a deficit spending than we had in the entire eight-year period under President Johnson and President Kennedy.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
We've got five hundred thousand more Americans out of jobs today than were out of work three months ago and since Mr. Ford's been in office two years, we've had a 50 percent increase in unemployment from five million people out of work to two and a half million more people out of work and a total of seven and a half million.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
We've also got uh - a comparison between himself and Mr. Nixon.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
He's got four times the size of the deficits that Mr. Nixon even had himself.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
This uh - talking about more people at work - uh is distorted because with a 14 percent increase in the cost of living in the last uh - two years, it means that - that women and young people have had to go to work when they didn't want to because their fathers didn't make enough to pay the increased cost of uh - food and uh housing and clothing.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
We have uh - in this last uh two years alone a hundred and twenty billion dollars total deficits under President Ford and uh - at the same time we've had, in the last eight years, a doubling in the number of bankruptcies for small business: we've had a negative growth in our - in our national economy measured in real dollars.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
The take-home pay of a worker in this country is actually less now than it was in 1968 - measured in real dollars.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
This is the kind of record that's there and talk about the future and a drastic change or conversion on the part of Mr. Ford as of last minute is one that just doesn't go.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
Mr. Reynolds.	Edwin Newman	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
Governor Carter, I'd like to turn uh - to what we used to call the energy crisis.	REYNOLDS	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
Yesterday a British uh - government commission on air pollution, but one headed by a nuclear physicist, recommended that any further expansion of nuclear energy be delayed in Britain as long as possible.	REYNOLDS	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
Now this is a subject that is quite controversial among our own people and there seems to be a clear difference between you and the President on the use of nuclear power plants, which you say you would use as a last priority.	REYNOLDS	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
Why, sir, are they unsafe?	REYNOLDS	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
Well among my other experiences in the past, I've - I've been a nuclear engineer, and did graduate work in this field.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
I think I know the - the uh capabilities and limitations of atomic power.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
But the energy - uh policy of our nation is one that uh has not yet been established under this administration.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
I think almost every other developed nation in the world has an energy policy except us.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
We have seen uh - the Federal Energy Agency established, for instance.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
Uh - in the crisis of 1973 it was supposed to be a temporary agency, uh now it's permanent, it's enormous, it's growing every day.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
I think the Wall Street Journal uh reported not too long ago they have a hundred and twelve public relations experts working for the Federal Energy Agency to try to justify to the American people its own existence.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
We've got to have a - a firm way to handle the energy question.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
The reorganization proposal that I have put forward is one uh first step.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
In addition to that, we need to have - uh a realization that we've got uh about thirty-five years worth of oil left in the whole world.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
We're gonna run out of oil.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
When Mr. Nixon made his famous uh speech on Operation Independence we were importing about 35 percent of our oil.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
Now we've increased that amount 25 percent.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
We now import about 44 percent of our oil.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
We need to shift from oil to coal.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
We need to concentrate our research and development effort on uh coal burning and extraction, with safer mines, but also it's clean burning.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
We need to shift very strongly toward solar energy and have strict conservation measures.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
And then as a last resort only, continue to use atomic power.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
I would certainly uh - not cut out atomic power altogether.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
We can't afford to give up that opportunity until later.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
But to the extent that we continue to use atomic power, I would be responsible as president to make sure that the safety precautions were initiated and maintained.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
For instance, some that have been forgotten; we need to have the reactor core - below ground level, the entire power plant that uses atomic uh - power tightly sealed and a heavy - heavy vacuum maintained.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
There ought to be a standardized design.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
There ought to be a full-time uh - atomic energy specialist, independent of the power company in the control room, full time, twenty-four hours a day, to shut down a plant if an abnormality develops.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
These kinds of uh - procedures, along with evacuation procedures, adequate insurance, ought to be initiated.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
So, shift from oil to coal, emphasize research and development on coal use and also on solar power, strict conservation measures, not yield every time that the special interest groups uh - put pressure on the president like uh this administration has done, and use atomic energy only as a last resort with the strictest possible safety precautions.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
That's the best overall energy policy in the brief time we have to discuss it.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
Well Governor, on that same subject, would you require mandatory conservation efforts to try to conserve fuel?	REYNOLDS	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
Yes, I would.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
Some of the things that can be done about this is a change in the rate structure of electric power companies.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
We uh - now encourage people to waste electricity, and uh - by giving uh - the lowest rates to the biggest users.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
We don't do anything to cut down on peak load requirements.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
We don't have an adequate requirement for the insulation of homes, for the efficiency of automobiles.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
And whenever the uh - automobile manufacturers come forward and say they can't meet the uh - amendments that the Congress has put forward, this Republican administration has delayed the implementation dates.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
In addition to that, we ought to have a - a shift toward the use of coal, particularly in the Appalachian regions where the coal is located.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
A lot of uh - very high quality, low-carbon coal, uh - low-sulfur coal is there, it's where our employment is needed.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
Uh - this would - would help a great deal.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
So mandatory conservation measures - yes.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
Encouragement by the president for people to uh voluntarily conserve - yes.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
And also the private sector ought to be encouraged to - to bring forward to the public the benefits from efficiency.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
One bank in uh - Washington, fo- for instance, gives lower interest loans for people who adequately insulate their homes or who buy efficient automobiles.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
And some major uh - uh - manufacturing companies, like Dow Chemical, have through uh - very effective efficiency mechanism cut down the use of energy by uh - as much as 40 percent with the same out-product.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
These kinds of things uh - ought to be done, uh they ought to be encouraged and supported, and even required uh by the government, yes.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
President Ford.	Edwin Newman	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
Governor Carter skims over a very serious and a very broad subject.	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
In January of uh - 1975 I submitted to the Congress and to the American people the first comprehensive energy program recommended by any president.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
It called for an increase in the production of energy in the United States.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
It called for uh - conservation measures so that we would save the energy that we have.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
If you're going to increase domestic oil and gas production - and we have to - you have to give those producers an opportunity to uh - develop their land or their wells.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
I recommended to the Congress that we should increase production in this country from six hundred million tons a year to twel- a- a billion two hundred million tons by 1985.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
In order to do that we have to improve our extraction of coal from the ground; we have to improve our utilization of coal - make it more efficient, make it cleaner.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
In addition we uh - have to expand our research and development.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
In my program for energy independence we have increased, for example, solar energy research from about $84 million a year to about a hundred and twenty million dollars a year.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
We're going as fast as the experts say we should.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
In nuclear power we have increased the research and development, uh - under the Energy Research and Development Agency uh - very substantially, to insure that our ener- uh - nuclear power plants are safer, that they are more efficient, and that we have adequate safeguards.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
I think you have to have greater oil and gas production, more coal production, more nuclear production, and in addition you have to have energy conservation.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
Mr. Gannon.	Edwin Newman	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
Mr. President, I'd like to return for a moment to this problem of unemployment.	GANNON	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
You have vetoed or threatened to veto number of job bills passed or uh - in development in the Democratic Congress - Democratic-controlled Congress.	GANNON	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
Yet at the same time the government is paying out, uh - I think it is $17 billion, perhaps $20 billion a year in unemployment compensation caused by the high unemployment.	GANNON	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
Why do you think it is better to pay out unemployment compensation to idle people than to put them to work in public service jobs?	GANNON	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
The bills that I vetoed, the one for an additional $6 billion, was not a bill that would have solved our unemployment problems.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
Even the proponents of it admitted that no more than four hundred thousand jobs would be uh - made available.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
Our analysis indicates that something in the magnitude of about one hundred fifty to two hundred thousand jobs would uh - be made available.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
Each one of those jobs would've cost the taxpayers $25 thousand.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
In addition, the jobs would not be available right now.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
They would not have materialized for about nine to eighteen months.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
The immediate problem we have is to stimulate our economy now so that we can get rid of unemployment.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
What we have done is to hold the lid on spending in an effort to reduce the rate of inflation.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
And we have proven, I think very conclusively, that you can reduce the rate of inflation and increase jobs.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
For example, as I have said, we have added some four million jobs in the last seventeen months.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
We have now employed eighty-eight million people in America, the largest number in the history of the United States.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
We've added five hundred thousand jobs in the last two months.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
Inflation is the quickest way to destroy jobs.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
And by holding the lid on federal spending we have been able to do an- a good job, an affirmative job in inflation and as a result have added to the jobs in this country.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
I think it's uh - also appropriate to point out that through our tax policies we have stimulated uhh - added employment throughout the country, the investment tax credit, the tax incentives for expansion and modernization of our industrial capacity.	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
It's my - my opinion that the private sector, where five out of six jobs are, where you have permanent jobs, with the opportunity for advancement, is a better place than make-work jobs under the program recommended by the Congress.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
Just to follow up, Mr. President: the - the Congress has just passed a three point seven billion dollar appropriation bill which would provide money for the public works jobs program that you earlier tried to kill by your veto of the authorization legislation.	GANNON	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
In light of the fact that uh - unemployment again is rising - or has in the past three months - I wonder if you have rethought that question at all; whether you would consider uh - allowing this program to be funded, or will you veto that money bill?	GANNON	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
Well, that bill has not yet come down to the Oval Office, so I am not in a position to make any judgment on it tonight.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
But that is an extra $4 billion that would uh - add to the deficit which would add to the inflationary pressures, which would help to destroy jobs in the private sector - not make jobs, where the jobs really are.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
These make-work, temporary jobs - dead end as they are - are not the kind of jobs that we want for our people.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
I think it's interesting to point out that uh - in the uh - two years that I've been president I've vetoed fifty-six bills.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
Congress has sustained forty-two vetoes.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
As a result, we have saved over $9 billion in federal expenditures.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
And the Congress by overriding the bills that I did veto, the Congress has added some $13 billion to the federal expenditures and to the federal deficit.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
Now Governor Carter complains about the deficits that uh - uh - this administration has had.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
And yet he condemns the vetoes that I have made that has - that have saved the taxpayer $9 billion and could have saved an additional $13 billion.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
Now he can't have it both ways.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
And therefore, it seems to me that we should hold the lid, as we have, to the best of our ability so we can stimulate the private economy and get the jobs where the jobs are - five out of six in this economy.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
Governor Carter.	Edwin Newman	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
Well, Mr. Ford doesn't seem to put into perspective the fact that when - when uh five hundred thousand more people are out of work than there were three months ago, while we have two and a half million more people out of work than were when he took office, that this touches human beings.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
I was in uh - a city in uh - Pennsylvania not too long ago, near here, and uh - there were about four or five thousand people in the audience - it was on a - on a train trip.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
And I said, "How many uh - adults here are out of work?"	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
About a thousand raised their hands.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
Mr. Ford uh - actually has fewer people now in the private sector in non-farm jobs than when he took office.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
And still he talks about - uh success.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
Seven point nine percent unemployment is a terrible tragedy in this country.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
He says he's learned how to match unemployment with inflation.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
That's right.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
We've got the highest inflation we've had in twenty-five years right now, except under this administration, and that was fifty years ago.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
And we've got uh - the highest unemployment we've had uh - under Mr. Ford's administration, since the Great Depression.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
This affects human beings, and - and his insensitivity in providing those people a chance to work has made this a welfare administration, and not a work administration.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
He hasn't saved $9 billion with his vetoes.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
There's only been uh - a net savings of $4 billion.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
And the cost in unemployment compensation, welfare compensation, and lost revenues has increased $23 billion in the last two years.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
This is a - a typical attitude that really causes havoc in people's lives, and then it's covered over by saying that our country has naturally got a 6 percent unemployment rate, or 7 percent unemployment rate and a 6 percent inflation.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
It's a travesty.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
It shows a lack of leadership.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
And we've never had a president since the War between the States that vetoed more bills.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
Mr. Ford has vetoed four times as many bills as Mr. Nixon - per year.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
And eleven of 'em have been overridden.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
One of his bills that was overridden - he only got one vote in the Senate and seven votes in the House, from Republicans.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
Governor Carter.	Edwin Newman	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
So this shows a breakdown in leadership.	Edwin Newman	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
Under the rules, I must stop you there.	Edwin Newman	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
And Mrs. Drew.	Edwin Newman	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
Governor Carter, I'd like to come back to the subject of taxes.	DREW	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
You have said that you want to cut taxes for the middle and lower income groups.	DREW	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
Right.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
But unless you're willing to do such things as reduce the itemized deductions for charitable contributions or home mortgage payments, or interest, or taxes, or capital gains, you can't really raise sufficient revenue to provide an overall tax cut of any size.	DREW	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
So how are you gonna provide that tax relief that you're talking about?	DREW	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
Now we have uh such a grossly unbalanced tax system - as I said earlier, that it is a disgrace - ah of all the tax - benefits now, 25 percent of 'em go to the 1 percent of the richest people in this country.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
Over 50 percent - 53 to be exact - percent of the tax benefits go to the 14 percent richest people in this country, and we've had a 50 percent increase in payroll deductions since Mr. Nixon went in office eight years ago.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
Mr. Ford has - has advocated since he's been in office over $5 billion in reductions for corporations, special interest groups, and the very, very wealthy who derive their income - not from labor - but from investments.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
That's got to be changed.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
A few things that can be done: we have now a deferral system so that the multinational corporations who invest overseas - if they make a million dollars in profits overseas - they don't have to pay any of their taxes unless they bring their money back into this country.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
When they don't pay their taxes, the average American pays the taxes for them.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
Not only that, but it robs this country of jobs, because instead of coming back with that million dollars and creating a shoe factory, say in New Hampshire or Vermont, if the company takes the money down to Italy and - and builds a shoe factory, they don't have to pay any taxes on the money.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
Another thing is a system called DISC which was originally designed, proposed by Mr. Nixon, to encourage exports.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
This permits a company to create uh - a dummy corporation, to export their products, and then not to pay the full amount of taxes on them.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
This costs our uh - government about uh - $1.4 billion a year.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
And when those rich corporations don't pay that tax, the average American taxpayer pays it for 'em.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
Another one that's uh - that's very important is the uh - is the business deductions, uh - jet airplanes, uh - first class travel, the fifty-dollar martini lunch.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
The average working person can't - uh - can't take advantage of that, but the - the wealthier people - uh can.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
Uh - another system is where uhh - a dentist can invest money in say, raising cattle and uh - can put in a hundred thousand dollars of his own money, borrow nine hundred thousand dollars - nine hundred mi- thousand dollars - that makes a million - and mark off a great amount of uh - of loss uh - through that procedure.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
Uh - there was one example, for instance, where uh - somebody uh - produced pornographic movies.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
They put in $30 thousand of their own money and got a hundred and twenty thousand dollars in tax savings.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
Well, these special kinds of programs have - have robbed the average taxpayer and have benefited those who are powerful, and who can employ lobbyists, and who can have their CPAs and their lawyers to help them benefit from the roughly uh - eight thousand pages of the tax code.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
The average uh American person can't do it.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
You can't hire a lobbyist uh out of unemployment compensation checks.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
Ah - Governor, to follow up on your answer.	DREW	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
Uh - in order for any kind of tax relief to really be felt by the middle and lower-income people	DREW	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
Yes.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
You need about, according to Congressional committees on this, you need about $10 billion.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
Now you listed some things - the uh - deferral on foreign income as estimated: that would save about $500 million.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
DISC, you said, was about 1.4 billion.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
uh - The estimate of the outside, if you eliminated all tax shelters, is 5 billion.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
So where else would you raise the revenue to provide this tax relief - would you, in fact, do away with all business deductions, and what other kinds of preferences would you do away with?	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
No, I wouldn't do away with all - uh business deductions.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
I think that would be a - a very serious mistake.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
But uh - if - if you could just do away with the ones that are unfair, you could lower taxes for everyone.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
I would never do anything that would increase the taxes for those who work for a living, or who are presently required to list all their income.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
What I wanna do is not to raise taxes, but to eliminate loopholes.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
And this is uh - the point of my first statistics that I gave you - that - that the present tax benefits that have been carved out over a long period of years - fifty years - by sharp tax lawyers and by lobbyists have benefited just the rich.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
These programs that I described to you earlier - the tax deferrals for overseas, the DISC, and the tax shelters, uh - they only apply to people in the $50 thousand-a-year bracket or up, and I think this is the very best way to approach it.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
It's to make sure that everybody pays taxes on the income that they earn and make sure that you take whatever savings there is from the higher income levels and give it to the lower- and middle-income families.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
President Ford.	Edwin Newman	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
Governor Carter's answer tonight does not coincide with the answer that he gave in an interview to the Associated Press a week or so ago.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
In that interview uh - Governor Carter indicated that uh - he would raise the taxes on those in the medium or middle-income brackets or higher.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
Now if you uh - take the medium or middle-income taxpayer - that's about $14 thousand per person - uh - Governor Carter has indicated, publicly, in an interview that he would increase the taxes on about 50 percent of the working people of this country.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
I think uh - the way to get tax equity in this country is to give tax relief to the middle-income people who have an income from roughly $8 thousand up to twenty-five or thirty thousand dollars.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
They have been short-changed as we have taken ten million taxpayers off the tax rolls in the last eight years, and as we have uh - added to the minimum tax uh - provision to make all people pay more taxes.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
I believe in tax equity for the middle-income taxpayer, increasing the personal exemption.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
Mr. Carter wants to increase taxes for roughly half of the taxpayers of this country.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
Now, the Governor has also played a little fast and loose with the facts about vetoes.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
The records show that President Roosevelt vetoed an average of fifty-five bills a year.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
President Truman vetoed on the average, while he was president, about thirty-eight bills a year.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
I understand that Governor Carter, when he was Governor of Georgia, vetoed between thirty-five and forty bills a year.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
My average in two years is twenty-six.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
But in the process of that we have saved uhh - $9 billion.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
And one final comment, uh - Governor Carter talks about the tax bills and all of the inequities that exist in the present law.	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
I must remind him the Democrats have controlled the Congress for the last twenty-two years and they wrote all the tax bills.	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
Mr. Reynolds.	Edwin Newman	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
I suspect that uhh - we could continue on this tax argument for some time.	REYNOLDS	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
But I'd like to move on to another area.	REYNOLDS	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
Mr. President, uh everybody seems to be running against Washington this year.	REYNOLDS	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
And I'd like to raise two coincidental events and ask you whether you think perhaps this may have a bearing on the attitude throughout the country.	REYNOLDS	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
The House Ethics Committee has just now ended its investigation of Daniel Schorr, after several months and many thousands of dollars, trying to find out how he obtained and caused to be published a report of the Congress that probably is the property of the American people.	REYNOLDS	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
At the same time.	REYNOLDS	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
the Senate Select Committee on Standards and Conduct has voted not really to begin an investigation of a United States senator because of allegations against him that he may have been receiving corporate funds illegally over a period of years.	REYNOLDS	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
Do you suppose, sir, that events like this contribute to the feeling in the country that maybe there's something wrong in Washington, and I don't mean just in the executive branch but throughout the whole government?	REYNOLDS	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
There is a considerable anti-Washington feeling throughout the country.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
But I think the feeling is misplaced.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
In the last two years, we have restored integrity in the White House, and we've set high standards in the executive branch of the government.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
The anti-Washington feeling, in my opinion, ought to be focused on the Congress of the United States.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
For example, this Congress, very shortly, will spend a billion dollars a year for its housekeeping, its salaries, its expenses and the like.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
It - the next Congress will probably be the first billion-dollar Congress in the history of the United States.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
I don't think the American people are getting their money's worth from the majority party that run this Congress.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
We, in addition, see that uh - in the last uh - four years the number of employees hired by the Congress has gone up substantial- uh much more than uh - the gross national product, much more than any other increase throughout our society.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
Congress is hiring people by the droves, and the cast as a result has gone up.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
And I don't see any improvement in the performance of the Congress under the present leadership.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
So it seems to me instead of the anti-Washington feeling being aimed at everybody in Washington, it seems to me that the focus should be where the problem is, which is the Congress of the United States, and particularly the majority in the Congress.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
They spend too much money on themselves.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
They have too many employees.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
There's some question about their morality.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
It seems to me that in this election, the focus should not be on the executive branch but the corrections should come as the voters vote for their members of the House of Representatives or for their United States senator.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
That's where the problem is and I hope there'll be some corrective action taken so we can get some new leadership in the Congress of the United States.	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
Mr. President, if I may follow up.	REYNOLDS	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
Uh - I think you've made it plain that you take a dim view of the uh - majority in the Congress.	REYNOLDS	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
Isn't it quite likely, sir, that you will have a Democratic Congress in the next session, if you are elected president?	REYNOLDS	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
And hasn't the country uh - a right to ask whether you can get along with that Congress, or whether we'll have continued confrontation?	REYNOLDS	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
Well, It seems to me that uh - we have a chance - the Republicans - to get a majority in the House of Representatives.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
We will make some gains in the United States Senate.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
So there will be different ratios in the House, as well as in the Senate, and as president I will be able to uh - work with that Congress.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
But let me take the other side of the coin, if I might.	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
Supposing we had - had a Democratic Congress for the last two years and we'd had uh - Governor Carter as President.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
He has, in effect, said that he would agree with all of - he would disapprove of the vetoes that I have made, and would have added significantly to expenditures and the deficit in the federal government.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
I think it would be contrary to one of the basic concepts in our system of government - a system of checks and balances.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
We have a Democratic Congress today, and fortunately we've had a Republican president to check their excesses with my vetoes.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
If we have a Democratic Congress next year, and a president who wants to spend an additional one hundred billion dollars a year, or maybe two hundred billion dollars a year, with more programs, we will have in my judgment, greater deficits with more spending, more dangers of inflation.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
I think the American people want a Republican president to check on any excesses that come out of the next Congress, if it is a Democratic Congress.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
Governor Carter.	Edwin Newman	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
Well, it's not a matter of uh - Republican and Democrat.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
It's a matter of leadership or no leadership.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
President Eisenhower worked with a Democratic Congress very well.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
Even President Nixon, because he was a strong leader at least, worked with a Democratic Congress very well.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
Uh - Mr. Ford has vetoed, as I said earlier, four times as many bills per year as Mr. Nixon.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
Mr. Ford quite often puts forward a program just as a public relations stunt, and never tries to put it through the Congress by working with the Congress.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
I think under presidents For- uh - Nixon and Eisenhower they passed about 60 to 75 percent of their legislation.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
This year Mr. Ford will not pass more than 26 percent of all the legislative proposals he puts forward.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
This is government by stalemate, and we've seen almost a complete breakdown in the proper relationship between the president, who represents this country, and the Congress, who collectively also represent this country.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
We've had uh - Republican presidents before who've tried to run against a Democratic - uh Congress.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
And I don't think it's uh - the Congress is Mr. Ford's opponent; but if uh - if - if he insists that uh - that I be responsible for the Democratic Congress, of which I'm - have not been a part, then I think it's only fair that he be responsible for the Nixon administration in its entirety, of which he was a part.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
That, I think, is a good balance.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
But the point is, that - that a president ought to lead this country.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
Mr. Ford, so far as I know, except for avoiding another Watergate, has not accomplished one single major program for this country.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
And there's been a constant squabbling between the president and the Congress, and that's not the way this country ought to be run.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
I might go back to one other thing.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
Mr. Ford has uh - misquoted an AP uh - news story that was in error to begin with.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
That story reported several times that I would lower taxes for low and middle-income families and uh - that correction was delivered to the White House and I am sure that the president knows about this uh - correction, but he still insists uh - on repeating an erroneous statement.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
President Ford, Governor Carter, we no longer have enough time for two complete sequences of questions.	Edwin Newman	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
We have only about six minutes left for questions and answers.	Edwin Newman	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
For that reason we will drop the follow-up questions at this point but each candidate will still be able to respond to the other's answers.	Edwin Newman	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
Uh - to the extent that you can, gentlemen, please keep your remarks brief.	Edwin Newman	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
Mr. Gannon.	Edwin Newman	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
Governor Carter, one uh - important uh - part of the Government's economic policy uh - apparatus we haven't talked about is the Federal Reserve Board.	GANNON	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
I'd like to ask you something about what you've said and that is that uh - you believe that a president ought to have a chairman of the Federal Reserve Board whose views are compatible with his own.	GANNON	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
Based on the record of the last few years, would you say that your views are compatible with those of Chairman Arthur Burns?	GANNON	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
And if not, would you seek his resignation if you are elected?	GANNON	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
What I have said is that the president ought to have a chance to appoint a chairman of the Federal Reserve Board to have a coterminous uh term; in other words, both of 'em serve the same four - four years.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
The Congress can modify the supply of money by modifying the income uh tax laws.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
The president can modify the uh - economic structure of a country by public statements and general attitudes in the budget that he proposes.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
The Federal Reserve has uh - an independent status that ought to be preserved; I think that Mr. uh - Burns did take a typical, erroneous Republican attitude in the 1973 year when inflation was so high.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
They assumed that the uh - inflation rate was because of excessive demand and uh - therefore put into effect tight constraint on the economy, very high interest rates, which is typical also of the Republican administration, uh - tried to increase the uh - the tax uh - payments by individuals, and cut the tax payments by corporations.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
I would have uh - done it opposite.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
I think the uh - problem should've been addressed by increasing productivity, by having uh - put - put people back to work so they could purchase more goods, lower income taxes on individuals, perhaps raise them, if necessary, on corporations in comparison.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
But uh - Mr. Burns uh - in that respect made a very serious mistake.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
I would not wanna destroy the - the independence of the uh Federal Reserve - uh Board.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
But I do think we ought to have a cohesive economic policy with at - at least the chairman of the Federal Reserve Board and the president's terms being uh - the same and letting the Congress, of course, be the third uh - entity with uh - with independence subject only to the president's veto.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
President Ford, your response.	Edwin Newman	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
The chairman of the Federal Reserve Board should be independent.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
Fortunately, he has been during Democratic as well as Republican administrations.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
As the result in the last uh - two years uh - we have had a responsible monetary policy.	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
Uh the Federal Reserve Board indicated that the supply of money would be held between four to four and a half and seven and seven and a half.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
They have done a good job in integrating the money supply with the uh - fiscal policy of the uh - executive and legislative branches of the government.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
It would be catastrophic if the chairman of the Federal Reserve Board became the tool of the political uh - party that was in power.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
It's important for our future uhh - economic security that that job be nonpolitical and uh - separate from the executive and the Legislative branches.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
Mrs. Drew.	Edwin Newman	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
Uh Mr. President, the real problem with the FBI and, in fact, all of the intelligence agencies is there are no real laws governing them.	DREW	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
Such laws as there are tend to be vague and open-ended.	DREW	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
Now, you have issued some executive orders, but we've learned that leaving these agencies to executive discretion and direction can get them and, in fact, the country in a great deal of trouble.	DREW	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
One president may be a decent man, the next one might not be.	DREW	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
So, what do you think about trying to write in some more protection by getting some laws governing these agencies?	DREW	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
You are familiar, of course, with the fact that I am the first president in thirty years who has reorganized the intelligence agencies in the federal government: the CIA, the Defense Intelligence Agency, the National Security Agency and the others.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
We've done that by executive order.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
Uhh - and I think uh - we've tightened it up; we've uh - straightened out their problems that developed over the last few years.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
It doesn't seem to me that it's needed or necessary to have legislation in this particular regard.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
Uhh - I have recommended to the Congress, however - I'm sure you're familiar with this - legislation that would uhh - make it uhh - very uhh - proper in - in the right way, that the attorney general could go in and get the right for wiretapping under security cases.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
This was an effort that was made by the attorney general and myself, working with the Congress.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
But even in this area, where I think new legislation would be justified, uh the Congress has not responded.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
So, I feel in that case, as well as in the reorganization of the intelligence agencies, as I've done, we have to do it by executive order.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
And I'm glad that we have a good director in George Bush.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
We have good executive orders, and the CIA and the DIA and NASA uh - uh - NSA are now doing a good job under proper supervision.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
Governor Carter.	Edwin Newman	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
Well, one of the very serious things that's happened in our government in recent years, and has continued up until now, is a breakdown in the trust among our people in the [twenty-seven-minute delay]	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
failure in the broadcasting of the debate, it occurred twenty-seven minutes ago.	Edwin Newman	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
Uh the fault has been dealt with and uh - we want to thank President Ford and Governor Carter for being so patient and understanding while this uh delay went on.	Edwin Newman	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
Uh we very much regret the technical failure that lost the sound as it - as it was leaving this theater.	Edwin Newman	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
It occurred during uh Governor Carter's response to what would have been and what was the last question put to the candidates.	Edwin Newman	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
That question went to President Ford.	Edwin Newman	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
It dealt with the control of government intelligence agencies.	Edwin Newman	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
Uh Governor Carter was making that response and had very nearly finished it.	Edwin Newman	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
Uh - he wil1 conclude his response now after which uh - President Ford and Governor Carter will make their closing statements.	Edwin Newman	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
Governor.	Edwin Newman	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
There has been too much government secrecy and not uh - not enough respect for the personal privacy of American citizens.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
It is now time for the closing statements, which are to be up to four minutes long.	Edwin Newman	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
Governor Carter, by the same toss of the coin that directed the first question to you, you are to go first now.	Edwin Newman	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
Well, tonight we've had a chance to talk a lot about the past.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
But I think it's time to talk about the future.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
Our nation in the last eight years has been divided as never before.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
It's a time for unity.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
It's a time to draw ourselves together: to have a president and a Congress that can work together with mutual respect for a change, cooperating for a change, in the open for a change, so the people can understand their own government.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
It's time for government, industry, labor, manufacturing, agriculture, education, other entities in our society to cooperate.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
And it's a time for government to understand and to cooperate with our people.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
For a long time our American citizens have been excluded, sometimes misled, sometimes have been lied to.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
This is uh - not compatible with the purpose of our nation.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
I believe in our country.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
It needs to be competent.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
The government needs to be well-managed, efficient, economical, We need to have a government that's sensitive to our people's needs - to those who are poor, who don't have adequate health care, who have been cheated too long with our tax programs, who've been out of jobs, whose families have been torn apart.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
We need to restore the faith and the trust of the American people in their own government.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
In addition to that, we've suffered because we haven't had leadership in this administration.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
We've got a government of stalemate.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
We've lost the vision of what our country can and ought to be.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
This is not the America that we've known in the past.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
It's not the America that we have to have in the future.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
I don't claim to know all the answers.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
But I've got confidence in my country.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
Our economic strength is still there.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
Our system of government - in spite of Vietnam, Cambodia, CIA, Watergate - is still the best system of government on earth.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
And the greatest resource of all are the two hundred and fifteen million Americans who have within us the strength, the character, the intelligence, the experience, the patriotism, the idealism, the compassion, the sense of brotherhood on which we can rely in the future to restore the greatness to our country We ought not to be excluded from our government anymore.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
We need a president who can go in - who derives his strength from the people.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
I owe the special interests nothing.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
I owe everything to you, the people of this country.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
And I believe that we can bind our wounds.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
I believe that we can work together.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
And I believe that if we can tap the tremendous untapped reservoir of innate strength in this country, that we can once again have a government as good as our people, and let the world know what we still know and hope for - that we still live in the greatest and the strongest and the best country on earth.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
President Ford.	Edwin Newman	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
On November second all of you will make a very, very important decision.	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
One of the major issues in this campaign is trust.	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
A president should never promise more than he can deliver and a president should always deliver everything that he's promised.	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
A president can't be all things to all people.	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
A president should be the same thing to all people.	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
Another issue in this campaign, Governor Carter has endorsed the Democratic platform, which calls for more spending, bigger deficits, more inflation or mare taxes.	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
Governor Carter has embraced the record of the present Congress, dominated by his political party.	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
It calls for more of the same.	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
Governor Carter in his acceptance speech called for more and more programs, which means more and more government.	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
I think the real issue in this campaign, and that which you must decide on November second, is whether you should vote for his promise or my performance in two years in the White House.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
On the fourth of July we had a wonderful two hundredth birthday - for our great country.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
It was a superb occasion.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
It was a glorious day.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
In the first century of our nation's history our forefathers gave us the finest form of government in the history of mankind.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
In the second century of our nation's history, our forefathers developed the most productive industrial nation in the history of the globe.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
Our third century should be the century of individual freedom for all our two hundred and fifteen million Americans today and all that join us.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
In the last few years government has gotten bigger and bigger; industry has gotten larger and larger; labor unions have gotten bigger and bigger; and our children have been the victims of mass education.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
We must make this next century the century of the individual.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
We should never forget that a government big enough to give us everything we want is a government big enough to take from us everything we have.	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	23 Sep 1976
The individual worker in the plants throughout the United States should not be a small cog in a big machine.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
The member of a labor union must have his rights strengthened and broadened and our children in their education should have an opportunity to improve themselves based on their talents and their abilities.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
My mother and father, during the Depression, worked very hard to give me an opportunity to do better in our great country.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
Your mothers and fathers did the same thing for you and others.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
Betty and I have worked very hard to give our children a brighter future in the United States, our beloved country.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
You and others in this great country have worked hard and done a great deal to give your children and your grandchildren the blessings of a better America.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	23 Sep 1976
I believe we can all work together to make the individuals in the future have more and all of us working together can build a better America.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	23 Sep 1976
Good evening.	Pauline Frederick	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
I'm Pauline Frederick of NPR, moderator of this second of the historic debates of the 1976 campaign between Gerald R, Ford of Michigan, Republican candidate for president, and Jimmy Carter of Georgia, Democratic candidate for president.	Pauline Frederick	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Thank you, President Ford and thank you, Governor Carter, for being with us tonight.	Pauline Frederick	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
This debate takes place before an audience in the Palace of Fine Arts Theater in San Francisco.	Pauline Frederick	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
An estimated one hundred million Americans are watching on television as well.	Pauline Frederick	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
San Francisco was the site of the signing of the United Nations Charter, thirty one years ago.	Pauline Frederick	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Thus, it is an appropriate place to hold this debate, the subject of which is foreign and defense issues.	Pauline Frederick	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
The questioners tonight are Max Frankel, associate editor of the New York Times, Henry L. Trewhitt, diplomatic correspondent of the Baltimore Sun, and Richard Valeriani, diplomatic correspondent of NBC News.	Pauline Frederick	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
The ground rules are basically the same as they were for the first debate two weeks ago.	Pauline Frederick	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
The questions will be alternated between candidates.	Pauline Frederick	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
By the toss of a coin, Governor Carter will take the first question.	Pauline Frederick	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Each question sequence will be as follows: The question will be asked and the candidate will have up to three minutes to answer.	Pauline Frederick	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
His opponent will have up to two minutes to respond.	Pauline Frederick	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
And prior to the response, the questioner may ask a follow-up question to clarify the candidate's answer when necessary with up to two minutes to reply.	Pauline Frederick	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Each candidate will have three minutes for a closing statement at the end.	Pauline Frederick	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
President Ford and Governor Carter do not have notes or prepared remarks with them this evening, but they may take notes during the debate and refer to them.	Pauline Frederick	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Mr. Frankel, you have the first question for Governor Carter.	Pauline Frederick	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Governor, since the Democrats last ran our foreign policy, including many of the men who are advising you, country has been relieved of the Vietnam agony and the military draft, we've started arms control negotiations with the Russians, we've opened relations with China, we've arranged the disengagement in the Middle East, we've regained influence with the Arabs without deserting Israel, now, maybe we've even begun a process of peaceful change in Africa.	FRANKEL	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Now you've objected in this campaign to the style with which much of this was done, and you've mentioned some other things that - that you think ought to have been done.	FRANKEL	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
But do you really have a quarrel with this Republican record?	FRANKEL	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Would you not have done any of those things?	FRANKEL	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Well I think this Republican administration has been almost all style, and spectacular, and not substance.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
We've uh - got a chance tonight to talk about, first of all, leadership, the character of our country, and a vision of the future.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
In every one of these instances, the Ford administration has failed, and I hope tonight that I and Mr. Ford will have a chance to discuss the reasons for those failures.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Our country is not strong anymore; we're not respected anymore.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
We can only be strong overseas if we're strong at home; and when I became president we'll not only be strong in those areas but also in defense - a defense capability second to none.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
We've lost in our foreign policy, the character of the American people.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
We've uh - ignored or excluded the American people and the Congress from participation in the shaping of our foreign policy.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
It's been one of secrecy and exclusion.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
In addition to that we've had a chance to became now, contrary to our long-standing beliefs and principles, the arms merchant of the whole world.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
We've tried to buy success from our enemies, and at the same time we've excluded from the process the normal friendship of our allies.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
In addition to that we've become fearful to compete with the Soviet Union on an equal basis.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
We talk about detente.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
The Soviet Union knows what they want in detente, and they've been getting it.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
We have not known what we've wanted and we've been out-traded in almost every instance.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
The other point I wanna make is about our defense.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
We've got to be a nation blessed with a defense capability that's efficient, tough, capable, well organized, narrowly focused - fighting capability.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
The ability to fight, if necessary, is the best way to avoid the chance for, or the requirement to fight.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
And the last point I wanna make is this: Mr. Ford, Mr. Kissinger have uh - continued on with the policies and failures of Richard Nixon.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
Even the Republican platform has criticized the lack of leadership in Mr. Ford and they've criticized the foreign policy of this administration.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
This is one instance where I agree with - with the Republican platform.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
I might say this in closing, and that is that as far as foreign policy goes, Mr. Kissinger has been the president of this country.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Mr. Ford has shown an absence of leadership, and an absence of a grasp of what this country is and what it ought to be.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
That's got to be changed.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
And that's one of the major issues in this uh - campaign of 1976.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
President Ford, would you like to respond?	Pauline Frederick	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Governor Carter again is talking in broad generalities.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
Let me take just one question that he raises - the military strength and capability of the United States.	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Governor Carter in November of 1975 indicated that he wanted to cut the defense budget by $15 billion.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
A few months later, he said he wanted to cut the defense budget by eight or nine billion dollars.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
And more recently, he talks about cutting the defense budget by five to seven billion dollars.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
There is no way you can be strong militarily and have those kind of reductions in our military uh - appropriation.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
Now let me just tell you a little story.	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
About uh - late October of 1975, I asked the then Secretary of Defense, Mr. Schlesinger, to tell me what had to be done if we were going to reduce the defense budget by uh - three to five billion dollars.	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
A few days later, Mr. Schlesinger came back and said if we cut the defense budget by three to five billion dollars, we will have to cut military personnel by two hundred and fifty thousand, civilian personnel by a hundred thousand, jobs in America by a hundred thousand.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
We would have to stretch out our aircraft procurement, we would have to reduce our naval construction program, we would have to reduce the uh - research and development for the Army, the Navy, the Air Force and Marines by 8 percent.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
We would have to close twenty military bases in the United States immediately.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
That's the kind of defense program that uh - Mr. Carter wants.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
Let me tell you this straight from the shoulder.	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
You don't negotiate with Mr. Brezhnev from weakness.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
And the kind of defense program that Mr. Carter wants will mean a weaker defense and a poor negotiating position.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
Mr. Trewhitt, a question for President Ford.	Pauline Frederick	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Mr. President, my question really is the other side of the coin from Mr. Frankel's.	TREWHITT	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
For a generation the United States has had a foreign policy based on containment of Communism.	TREWHITT	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Yet we have lost the first war in Vietnam; we lost a shoving match in Angola.	TREWHITT	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Uh - the Communists threatened to come to power by peaceful means in Italy and relations generally have cooled with the Soviet Union in the last few months.	TREWHITT	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
So le- let me ask you first, what do you do about such cases as Italy?	TREWHITT	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
And secondly, does this general drift mean that we're moving back toward something like an old cold - cold-war relationship with the Soviet Union?	TREWHITT	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
I don't believe we should move to a cold-war relationship.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
I think it's in the best interest of the United States, and the world as a whole that the United States negotiate rather than go back to the cold-war relationship with the Soviet Union.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
I don't uh - look at the picture as bleakly as you have indicated in your question, Mr. Trewhitt.	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
I believe that the United States ha- had many successes in recent years, in recent months, as far as the Communist movement is concerned.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
We have been successful in Portugal, where a year ago it looked like there was a very great possibility that the uh - Communists would take over in Portugal.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
It didn't happen.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
We have a democracy in Portugal today.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
A few uh - months ago, or I should say, maybe two years ago, the Soviet Union looked like they had continued strength in the Middle East.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
Today, according to Prime Minister Rabin, the Soviet Union is weaker in the Middle East than they have been in many, many years.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
The facts are, there - the Soviet Union relationship with Egypt is uh - at a low level.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
The Soviet Union relationship with Syria is at a very low point.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
The United States today, according to Prime Minister Rabin of Israel, is a- at a peak in its uh - influence and power in the Middle East.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
But let's turn for a minute to the uhh - southern African operations that are now going on.	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
The United States of America took the initiative in southern Africa.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
We wanted to end the bloodshed in southern Africa.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
We wanted to have the right of self-determination in southern Africa.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
We wanted to have majority rule with the full protection of the rights of the minority.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
We wanted to preserve human dignity in southern Africa.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
We have taken the initiative, and in southern Africa today the United States is trusted by the black front-line nations and black Africa.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
The United States is trusted by other elements in southern Africa.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
The United States foreign policy under this administration has been one of progress and success.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
And I believe that instead of talking about Soviet progress, we can talk about American successes.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
And may I make an observation - part of the question you asked, Mr. Trewhitt?	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
I don't believe that it's in the best interest of the United States and the NATO nations to have a Communist government in NATO.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
Mr. Carter has indicated he would look with sympathy to a Communist government in NATO.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
I think that would destroy the integrity and the strength of NATO, and I am totally opposed to it.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
Well, Mr. Ford, unfortunately, has just made a statement that's not true.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
I have never advocated a Communist government for Italy.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
That would obviously be a ridiculous thing for anyone to do who wanted to be president of this country.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
I think that this is uh - an instance of uh - deliberate distortion, and this has occurred also in the question about defense.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
As a matter of fact, uh - I've never advocated any cut of $15 billion in our defense budget.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
As a matter of fact, Mr. Ford has made a political football out of the defense budget.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
About a year ago he cut the Pentagon budget six point eight billion dollars.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
After he fired James Schlesinger, the political heat got so great that he added back about $3 billion.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
When Ronald Reagan won the Texas primary election, Mr. Ford added back another one and a half billion dollars.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
Immediately before the Kansas City convention, he added back another one point eight billion dollars in the defense budget.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
And his own uh - Office of Management and Budget testified that he had a $3 billion cut insurance added to the defense budget - defense budget under the pressure from the Pentagon.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
Obviously, this is another indication of trying to use the defense budget for political purposes, which he's trying to do tonight.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
Now, we went into south Africa late, after Great Britain, Rhodesia, the black nations had been trying to solve this problem for many, many years.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
We didn't go in until right before the election, similar to what was taking place in 1972, when Mr. Kissinger announced peace is at hand just before the election at that time.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
And we have weakened our position in NATO because the other countries in Europe supported the democ- democratic forces in Portugal long before we did; we stuck to the Portugal dictatorships much longer than other democracies did in this world.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
Mr. Valeriani, a question for Governor Carter.	Pauline Frederick	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Governor Carter, much of what the United States does abroad is done in the name of the national interest.	VALERIANI	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
What is your concept of the national interest?	VALERIANI	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
What should the role of the United States in the world be?	VALERIANI	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
And in that connection, considering your limited experience in foreign affairs, and the fact that you take same pride in being a Washington outsider, don't you think it would be appropriate for you to tell the American voters before the election the people that you would like to have in key positions, such as Secretary of State, Secretary of Defense, national security affairs advisor at the White House?	VALERIANI	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Well, I'm not gonna name my cabinet before I get elected.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
I've got a little ways to go before I start doing that.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
But I have uh - an adequate background, I believe.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
I am a graduate of the U.S.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
Naval Academy, the first military graduate since uh - Eisenhower.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
I've served as the Governor of Georgia and have traveled extensively in foreign countries and South America, Central America, Europe, the Middle East and in Japan.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
I've traveled the last twenty-one months among the people of this country.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
I've talked to them and I've listened.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
And I've seen at first hand, in a very vivid way, the deep hurt that's come to this country in the aftermath of Vietnam and Cambodia, Chile, and Pakistan, and Angola, and Watergate, CIA revelations.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
What we were formerly so proud of - the strength of our country, its uh - moral integrity, the representation in foreign affairs of what our people are, what our Constitution stands for, has been gone.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
And in the secrecy that has surrounded our foreign policy in the last few years, uh - the American people, the Congress have been excluded.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
I believe I know what this country ought to be.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
I've uh - been one who's loved my nation as many Americans do, and I believe that there's no limit placed on what we can be in the future, if we can harness the tremendous resources - militarily, economically, and the stature of our people, the meaning of the Constitution, in the future.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
Every time we've made a serious mistake in foreign affairs, it's been because the American people have been excluded from the process.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
If we can just tap the intelligence and ability, the sound common sense and the good judgment of the American people, we can once again have a foreign policy to make us proud instead of ashamed.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
And I'm not gonna exclude the American people from that process in the future, as Mr. Ford and Kissinger have done.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
This is what it takes to have a sound foreign policy strong at home, strong defense, permanent commitments, not betray the principles of our country, and involve the American people and the Congress in the shaping of our foreign policy.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
Every time Mr. Ford speaks from a position of secrecy in negotiations, in secret - in secret treaties that've been uh - pursued and achieved, in supporting dictatorships, in ignoring human rights, we are weak and the rest of the world knows it.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
So these are the ways that we can restore the strength of our country, and they don't require long experience in foreign policy.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
Nobody has that except a president who has served a long time or a secretary of state.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
But my background, my experience, my knowledge of the people of this country, my commitment to our principles that don't change - those are the best bases to correct the horrible mistakes of this administration and restore our own country to a position of leadership in the world.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
How specifically, uh - Governor, are you going to bring the American people into the decision-making process in foreign policy?	VALERIANI	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
What does that mean?	VALERIANI	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
First of all, I would quit conducting the decision-making process in secret, as has been a characteristic of Mr. Kissinger and Mr. Ford.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
In many instances we've made agreements, like in Vietnam, uh - that have uh - been revealed later on to our uh - embarrassment.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
Recently Ian Smith, the uh - president of uh - Rhodesia, announced that he had unequivocal commitments from Mr. Kissinger that he could not reveal.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
The American people don't know what those commitments are.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
We've seen uh - in the past the destruction of elected governments, like in Chile, and the strong support of military dictatorship there.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
These kinds of things have hurt us very much.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
I would restore the concept of the fireside chat, which was an integral part of the administration of Franklin Roosevelt.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
And I would also restore the involvement of the Congress.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
When Harry Truman was president he was not afraid to have a strong secretary of defense.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
Dean Acheson, George Marshall were strong secretaries of uh - state - excuse me - state.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
But he also made sure that there was a bipartisan support.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
The members of Congress, Arthur Vandenberg, Walter George, were part of the process, and before our nation made a secret agreement, or before we made a bluffing statement, we were sure that we had the backing not only of the president and the secretary of state, but also of the Congress and the people.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
This is a responsibility of the president.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
And I think it's very damaging to our country for Mr. Ford to have turned over this responsibility to the secretary of state.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
President Ford, do you have a response?	Pauline Frederick	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Governor Carter again contradicts himself.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
He complains about secrecy and yet he is quoted as saying that in the attempt to find a solution in the Middle East that he would hold unpublicized meetings with the Soviet Union - I presume for the purpose of an - imposing a settlement on Israel and the Arab nations.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
But let me talk just a minute about what we've done to avoid secrecy in the Ford administration.	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
After the United States took the initiative in working with Israel and with Egypt and achieving the Sinai II agreement - and I'm proud to say that not a single Egyptian or Israeli soldier has lost his life since the signing of the Sinai agreement.	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
But at the time that uh - I submitted the Sinai agreement to the Congress of the United States, I submitted every single document that was applicable to the Sinai II agreement.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
It was the most complete documentation by any president of any agreement signed by a president on behalf of the United States.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
Now as far as meeting with the Congress is concerned, during the twenty-four months that I've been the president of the United States I have averaged better than one meeting a month with responsible groups or committees of the Congress - both House and Senate.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
The secretary of state has appeared in the several years that he's been the secretary before eighty different uh - committee hearings in the House and in the Senate.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
The secretary of state has made better than fifty speeches all over the United States explaining American foreign policy.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
I have made myself at least ten uh - speeches in various parts of the country where I have discussed with the American people defense and foreign policy.	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Mr. Frankel, a question for President Ford.	Pauline Frederick	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Mr. President, I'd like to explore a little more deeply our relationship with the Russians.	FRANKEL	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
They used to brag back in Khrushchev's day that because of their greater patience and because of our greed for - for business deals that they would sooner or later get the better of us.	FRANKEL	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Is it possible that despite some setbacks in the Middle East, they've proved their point?	FRANKEL	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Our allies in France and Italy are now flirting with Communism.	FRANKEL	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
We've recognized the permanent Communist regime in East Germany.	FRANKEL	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
We've virtually signed, in Helsinki, an agreement that the Russians have dominance in Eastern Europe.	FRANKEL	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
We've bailed out Soviet agriculture with our huge grain sales.	FRANKEL	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
We've given them large loans, access to our best technology and if the Senate hadn't interfered with the Jackson Amendment, maybe we - you would've given them even larger loans.	FRANKEL	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Is that what you call a two-way street of traffic in Europe?	FRANKEL	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
I believe that we have uh - negotiated with the Soviet Union since I've been president from a position of strength.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
And let me cite several examples.	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Shortly after I became president in uh - December of 1974, I met with uh - General Secretary Brezhnev in Vladivostok and we agreed to a mutual cap on the ballistic missile launchers at a ceiling of twenty-four hundred - which means that the Soviet Union, if that becomes a permanent agreement, will have to make a reduction in their launchers that they now have or plan to have.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
I've negotiated at Vladivostok with uh - Mr. Brezhnev a limitation on the MIRVing of their ballistic missiles at a figure of thirteen-twenty, which is the first time that any president has achieved a cap either on launchers or on MIRVs.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
It seems to me that we can go from there to uh - the uh - grain sales.	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
The grain sales have been a benefit to American agriculture.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
We have achieved a five and three quarter year uh - sale of a minimum six million metric tons, which means that they have already bought about four million metric tons this year and are bound to buy another two million metric tons to take the grain and corn and wheat that the American farmers have produced in order to uh - have full production.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
And these grain sales to the Soviet Union have helped us tremendously in meeting the costs of the additional oil and - the oil that we have bought from overseas.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
If we turn to Helsinki - I'm glad you raised it, Mr. uh - Frankel.	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
In the case of Helsinki, thirty-five nations signed an agreement, including the secretary of state for the Vatican - I can't under any circumstances believe that the - His Holiness, the Pope would agree by signing that agreement that the thirty-five nations have turned over to the Warsaw Pact nations the domination of the - Eastern Europe.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
It just isn't true.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
And if Mr. Carter alleges that His Holiness by signing that has done it, he is totally inaccurate.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
Now, what has been accomplished by the Helsinki agreement?	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Number one, we have an agreement where they notify us and we notify them of any uh - military maneuvers that are to be be undertaken.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
They have done it.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
In both cases where they've done so, there is no Soviet domination of Eastern Europe and there never will be under a Ford administration.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
Governor Carter?	Pauline Frederick	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
I'm sorry, I - could I just follow - did I understand you to say, sir, that the Russians are not using Eastern Europe as their own sphere of influence in occupying mo- most of the countries there and in - and making sure with their troops that it's a - that it's a Communist zone, whereas on our side of the line the Italians and the French are still flirting with the possibility of Communism?	FRANKEL	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
I don't believe, uh - Mr. Frankel that uh - the Yugoslavians consider themselves dominated by the Soviet Union.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
I don't believe that the Rumanians consider themselves dominated by the Soviet Union.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
I don't believe that the Poles consider themselves dominated by the Soviet Union.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
Each of those countries is independent, autonomous: it has its own territorial integrity and the United States does not concede that those countries are under the domination of the Soviet Union.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
As a matter of fact, I visited Poland, Yugoslavia and Rumania to make certain that the people of those countries understood that the president of the United States and the people of the United are dedicated to their independence, their autonomy and their freedom.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
Governor Carter, may I have your response?	Pauline Frederick	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
(chuckle) Well, in the first place, I'm not criticizing His Holiness the Pope.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
I was talking about Mr. Ford.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
The uh - fact is that secrecy has surrounded the decisions made by the Ford administration.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
In the case of the Helsinki agreement - it may have been a good agreement at the beginning, but we have failed to enforce the so-called basket three part, which insures the right of people to migrate, to join their families, to be free, to speak out.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
The Soviet Union is still jamming Radio Free Europe - Radio - uh- uh - Radio Free Europe is being jammed.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
We've also seen a very serious uh - problem with the so-called Sonnenfeldt document, which apparently Mr. Ford has just endorsed, which said that there's an organic linkage between the Eastern European countries and the Soviet Union.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
And I would like to see Mr. Ford convince the Polish-Americans and the Czech-Americans and the Hungarian-Americans in this country that those countries don't live under the domination and supervision of the Soviet Union behind the Iron - uh - Curtain.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
We also have seen Mr. Ford exclude himself from access to the public.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
He hasn't had a tough cross-examination-type press conference in over thirty days.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
One press conference he had without sound.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
He's also shown a weakness in yielding to pressure.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
The Soviet Union, for instance, put pressure on Mr. Ford and he refused to see a symbol of human freedom recognized around the world, Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
The Arabs have put pressure on Mr. Ford, and he's yielded, and has permitted a boycott by the Arab countries of American businesses who trade with Israel, or who have American Jews owning or taking part in the management of American - companies.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
His own secretary of commerce had to be subpoenaed by the Congress to reveal the names of businesses who were subject to this boycott.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
They didn't volunteer the information.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
He had to be subpoenaed.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
And the last thing I'd like to say is this: This grain deal with the Soviet Union in '72 was terrible, and Mr. Ford made up for it with three embargoes, one against our own ally in Japan.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
That's not the way to run our foreign policy, including international trade.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
Mr. Trewhitt, a question for Governor Carter.	FREDERIC	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Governor, I'd like to pick up on that point, actually, and on your appeal for a greater measure of American idealism in foreign affairs.	TREWHITT	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Foreign affairs come home to the American public pretty much in such issues as oil embargoes and grain sales, that sort of thing.	TREWHITT	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Would you be willing to - to risk an oil embargo in order to promote human rights in Iran and Saudi Arabia, withhold arms from Saudi Arabia for the same purpose?	TREWHITT	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Uh - or uh - I think you - matter of fact, you've perhaps answered this final part, but would you withhold grain from the Soviet Union in order to promote civil rights in the - in the Serviette Union?	TREWHITT	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
I would never single out food as a trade embargo item.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
If I ever decided to impose an embargo because of a crisis in international relationships, it would include all shipments of all equipment.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
For instance, if the Arab countries ever again declare an embargo against our nation on oil I would consider that not a military but an economic declaration of war, and I would respond instantly and in kind.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
I would not ship that Arab country anything - no weapons, no spare parts for weapons, no oil-drilling rigs, no oil pipe, no nothing.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
I wouldn't single out just food.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
Another thing that I'd like to say is this: In our international trade, as I said in my op- opening statement, we have become the arms merchant of the world.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
When this Republican administration came into office we were shipping about $1 billion worth of arms overseas, now ten to twelve billion dollars worth of arms overseas to countries that quite often use these weapons to fight each other.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
The shift in emphasis has been very disturbing to me, speaking about the Middle East.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Under the last Democratic administration 60 percent of all weapons that went into the Middle East were for Israel.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
Nowadays - 75 percent were for Israel before.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
Now 60 percent go to the Arab countries, and this does not include Iran.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
If you include Iran, our present shipment of weapons to the Middle East, only 20 percent goes to Israel.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
This is a deviation from idealism; it's a deviation from a commitment to our major ally in the Middle East, which is Israel; it's a yielding to economic pressure on the part of the Arabs on the oil issue; and it's also a tremendous indication that under the Ford administration we have not addressed the energy policy adequately.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
We still have no comprehensive energy policy in this country.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
And it's an overall sign of weakness.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
When we are weak at home economically - high unemployment, high inflation, a confused government, a wasteful defense establishment, this encourages the kind of pressure that's been put on us successfully.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
It would've been inconceivable ten - fifteen years ago, for us to be brought to our knees with an Arab oil embargo.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
But it was done three years ago and they're still putting pressure on us from the Arab countries to our discredit around the world.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
These are the weaknesses that I see, and I believe it's not just a matter of idealism.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
It's a matter of being tough.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
It's a matter of being strong.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
It's a matter of being consistent.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
Our priorities ought to be first of all to meet our own military needs, secondly to meet the needs of our allies and friends, and only then should we ship military equipment to foreign countries.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
As a matter of fact, Iran is gonna get eighty F-14s before we even meet our own Air Force orders for F-l4s.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
And the shipment of Spruance-class destroyers to Iran are much more highly sophisticated than the Spruance-class destroyers that are present being delivered to our own Navy.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
This is ridiculous and it ought to be changed.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
Governor, let me pursue that if I may.	TREWHITT	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
If I understand you correctly you would in fact to use my examples, withhold arms from Iran and Saudi Arabia even if the risk was an oil embargo and if they should be securing those arms from somewhere else, and then if the embargo came, then you'd respond in kind.	TREWHITT	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Do I have it correctly?	TREWHITT	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
If - Iran is not an Arab country, as you know, it is a Moslem country - but if Saudi Arabia should declare an oil embargo against us, then I would consider that an economic declaration of war.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
And I would make sure that the uh - Saudis understood this ahead of time so there would be no doubt in their mind.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
I think under those circumstances they would refrain from pushing us to our knees as they did in 1973 with their previous oil embargo.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
President Ford?	Pauline Frederick	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Governor Carter uh - apparently doesn't realize that since I've been president we have sold to the Israelis over $4 billion in military hardware.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
We have made available to the Israelis over 45 percent of the total economic and military aid since the establishment of Israel twenty-seven years ago.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
So the Ford administration has done a good job in helping our good ally, Israel, and we're dedicated to the survival and security of Israel.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
I believe that Governor Carter doesn't realize the need and necessity for arms sales to Iran.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
He indicates he would not make those.	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Iran is bordered very extensively by the Soviet Union.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
Iran has Iraq as one of its neighbors.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
The Soviet Union and the Communist-dominated government of Iraq are neighbors of Iran, and Iran is an ally of the United States.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
It's my strong feeling that we ought to sell arms to Iran for its own national security, and as an ally - a strong ally of the United States.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
The history of our relationship with Iran goes back to the days of President Truman when he decided that it was vitally necessary for our own security as well as that of Iran, that we should help that country, and Iran has been a good ally.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
In 1973 when there was an oil embargo, Iran did not participate.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
Iran continued to sell oil to the United States.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
I believe that it's in our interest and in the interest of Israel and Iran, and Saudi Arabia, for the United States to sell arms to those countries.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
It's for their security as well as ours.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
Mr. Valeriani, a question for President Ford.	Pauline Frederick	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Mr. President, the policy of your administration is to normalize relations with mainland China.	VALERIANI	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
And that means establishing at some point full diplomatic relations and obviously doing something about the mutual defense treaty with Taiwan.	VALERIANI	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
If you are elected, will you move to establish full diplomatic relations with Peking, and will you abrogate the mutual defense treaty with Taiwan?	VALERIANI	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
And, as a corollary, would you provide mainland China with military equipment if the Chinese were to ask for it?	VALERIANI	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Our relationship with the People's Republic of China is based upon the Shanghai Communique, of 1972, and that communique, calls for the normalization of relations between the United States and the People's Republic.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
It doesn't set a times schedule.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
It doesn't uh - make a determination as to how uh - that relationship should be achieved in relationship to our current uhh - diplomatic recognition and obligations to the Taiwanese Government.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
The Shanghai Communique, does say that the differences between the People's Republic on the one hand and Taiwan on the other shall be settled by peaceful means.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
The net result is this administration, and during my time as the president for the next four years, we will continue to move for normalization of relations in the traditional sense, and we will insist that the disputes between Taiwan and the People's Republic be settled peacefully, as was agreed in the Shanghai Communique, of 1972.	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
The Ford administration will not let down, will not eliminate or forget our obligation to the people of Taiwan.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
We feel that there must be a continued obligation to the people, the some nineteen or twenty million people in Taiwan.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
And as we move during the next four years, those will be the policies of this administration.	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
And sir, the military equipment for the mainland Chinese?	VALERIANI	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
There is no policy of this government to give to the People's Republic, or to sell to the People's Republic of China, military equipment.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
I do not believe that we, the United States, should sell, give or otherwise transfer military hardware to the People's Republic of China, or any other Communist nation, such as the Soviet Union and the like.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
Governor Carter.	Pauline Frederick	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Well, I'd like to go back just one moment to the previous question, where uh - Mr. Ford, I think, confused the issue by trying to say that we are shipping Israel 40 percent of our aid.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
As a matter of fact, during this current year uh we are shipping Iran, or have contracted to ship to Iran, about seven and a half billion dollars worth of arms and also to Saudi Arabia, about seven and a half billion dollars worth of arms.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
Also in 1975, we almost brought Israel to their knees after the uh - Yom Kippur War by the so-called reassessment of our relationship to Israel.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
We in effect tried to make Israel the scapegoat for the problems in the Middle East.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
And this weakened our relationships with Israel a great deal and put a cloud on the total commitment that our people feel toward the Israelis.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
There ought to be a clear, unequivocal commitment without change to Israel.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
In the Far East I think we need to continue to be uh - strong and uh - I would certainly uh - pursue the uh - normalization of uh - relationships with the People's Republic of China.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
We opened a great opportunity in l972, which has pretty well been frittered - frit- frittered away under Mr. Ford, that ought to be a constant uh - inclination toward - uh - toward friendship.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
But I would never let that friendship with the People's Republic of China stand in the way of the preservation of the independence and freedom of the people on Taiwan.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
Mr. Frankel, a question for Governor Carter.	Pauline Frederick	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Governor, we always seem in our elections, and maybe in between too, to argue about uh - who can be tougher in the world.	FRANKEL	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Give or take a - a few billion dollars, give or take one weapons systems, our leading politicians, and I think you, too, gentlemen, seem to settle roughly on the same strategy in the world at roughly the same Pentagon budget cost.	FRANKEL	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
How bad do things have to get in our own economy, or how much backwardness and hunger would it take in the world to persuade you that our national security and our survival required very drastic cutbacks in arms spending and dramatic new efforts in other directions?	FRANKEL	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Well, always in the past we've had an ability to have a strong defense and also have - to have a strong uh - domestic economy, and also to be strong in our reputation and influence within the community of nations.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
These uh - characteristics of our country have been endangered under Mr. Ford.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
We're no longer respected in a showdown vote in the United Nations or in - in any other international council we're lucky to get 20 percent of the other nations to vote with us.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
Our allies feel that we've neglected them.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
The so-called Nixon shock against Japan had weakened our relationships there.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Under this administration we've also had an inclination to keep separate the European countries, thinking that if they are separate, then we can dominate them and proceed with our secret, Lone Ranger-type diplomatic efforts.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
I would uh - also like to point out that we, in this country, have let our economy go down the drain.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
The worst inflation since the Great Depression.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
The highest unemployment of any developed nation of the world.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
We have a higher unemployment rate in this country than Great Britain, and West Germany.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
Our unemployment rate is twice as high as it is in Italy; it's three or four times as high as it is - as it is in Japan.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
And that terrible circumstance in this country is exported overseas.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
We comprise about 30 percent of the world's economic trade power influence.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
And when we're weak at home - weaker than all our allies - that weakness weakens the whole free world.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
So strong economy is very important.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
Another thing that we need to do is to reestablish the good relationships that we ought to have between the United States and our natural allies and friends.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
They have felt neglected.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
And using that base of strength, and using the idealism, the honesty, the predictability, the commitment, the integrity of our own country, that's where our strength lies.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
And that would permit us to deal with the developing nations in a position of strength.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Under this administration we've had a continuation of the so-called balance of power politics, where everything is looked on as a struggle between us on the one side, the Soviet Union on the other.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
Our allies - the smaller countries get trampled in the rush.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
What we need is to try to seek individualized bilateral relationships with countries, regardless of their size, and to establish world-order politics, which means that we want to preserve peace through strength.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
We also wanna revert back to the stature and the respect that our country had in previous administrations.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Now, I can't say when this can come.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
But I can guarantee it will not come if Gerald Ford is reelected and this present policy is continued; it will come if I'm elected.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
If I hear you right, sir, you're saying guns and butter both, but President Johnson also had trouble uh - keeping up both Vietnam and his domestic programs.	FRANKEL	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
I was really asking when do the - the needs of the cities and our own needs and those of other backward an- and - and even more needy countries and societies around the world take precedence over some of our military spending?	FRANKEL	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Ever?	FRANKEL	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Well let me say very quickly that under President Johnson, in spite of the massive investment in the Vietnam War, he turned over a balanced budget to Mr. Nixon.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
The unemployment rate was less than 4 percent.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
The inflation rate under Kennedy and Johnson was about 2 percent - one-third what it is under this administration.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
So we did have at that time with good management, the ability to do both.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
I don't think that anybody can say that Johnson and Kennedy neglected the poor and the destitute people in this country or around the world.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
The number one responsibility of any president, above all else, is to guarantee the security of our nation - an ability to be free of the threat of attack, or blackmail and to carry out our obligations to our allies and friends, and to carry out a legitimate foreign policy.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
They must go hand in hand, but the security of this nation has got to come first.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
President Ford.	Pauline Frederick	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Let me say very categorically you cannot maintain the security of the United States with the kind of defense budget cuts that Governor Carter has indicated.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
In 1975 he wanted to cut the budget $15 billion.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
He's now down to a figure of five to seven billion dollars.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
Reductions of that kind will not permit the United States to be strong enough to deter aggression and maintain the peace.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
Governor Carter apparently doesn't know the facts.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
As soon as I became president, I initiated a meeting with the NATO heads of state and met with them in Brussels to discuss how we could improve the re- defense relationship in Western Europe.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
In uh - November of 1975 I met with the leaders of the five industrial nations in France for the purpose of seeing what we could do acting together to meet the problems of uh - the coming recession.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
In Puerto Rico this year, I met with six of the leading industrial nations' heads of state to meet the problem of inflation so we would be able to solve it before it got out of hand.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
I have met with the heads of government bilaterally as well as multilaterally.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
Our relations with Japan have never been better.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
I was the first United States president to visit Japan.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
And we uh - had the emperor of Japan here this uh - past year and the net result is Japan and the United States are working more closely together now than at any time in the history of our relationship.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
You can go around the world - and let me take Israel for example.	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Just recently, President Rabin said that our relations were never better.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
Mr. Trewhitt, a question for President Ford.	Pauline Frederick	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Mr. President, uh - you referred earlier to your meeting with Mr. Brezhnev at Vladivostok in 1974.	TREWHITT	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
At - you agreed on that occasion to try to achieve another strategic arms limitation - SALT - agreement, ah - within the year.	TREWHITT	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Ah - nothing happened in l975, or not very much publicly at least.	TREWHITT	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
And those talks are still dragging and things got quieter as the current season approached.	TREWHITT	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Is there - is there a bit of politics involved there, perhaps on both sides?	TREWHITT	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Or perhaps more important are interim weapons developments - and I'm thinking of such things as the cruise missile and the Soviet SS-20, an intermediate-range rocket - making SALT irrelevant, bypassing the SALT negotiations?	TREWHITT	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
First we have to understand that SALT I expires October third 1977.	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Uh - Mr. Brezhnev and I met in Vladivostok in December of 1974 for the purpose of trying to take the initial step so we could have a SALT II agreement that would go to l985.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
As I indicated earlier, we did agree on a twenty-four-hundred limitation on uh - uh - launchers of ballistic missiles.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
Uh - that would mean a cutback in the Soviet program; it would not interfere with our own program.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
At the same time, we put a limitation of thirteen hundred and twenty on MIRVs.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
Our technicians have been working since that time in Geneva, trying to put into technical language a - an agreement that can be verified by both parties.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
In the meantime, there has developed the problem of the Soviet Backfire - their high-performance aircraft which they say is not a long-range aircraft and which some of our people say is a intercontinental aircraft.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
In the interim, there has been the development on our part primarily, the cruise missiles; cruise missiles that could be launched from land-based mobile installations; cruise missiles that could be launched - launched from high-performance aircraft, like the B-52s or the B-1s, which I hope we proceed with; cruise missiles which could be launched from either surface or submarine uh - naval vessels.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
Those gray-area weapons systems are creating some problems in a - the agreement for a SALT II negotiation.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
But I can say that I am dedicated to proceeding, and I met just last week with the foreign minister of the Soviet Union, and he indicated to me that uh - the Soviet Union was interested in narrowing the differences and making a realistic and a sound compromise.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
I hope and trust, in the best interest of both countries, and in the best interests of all people throughout this globe, that the Soviet Union and the United States can make a mutually beneficial agreement.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
Because if we do not and SALT I expires on October three, 1977, you will unleash again an all-out nuclear arms race with the potential of a nuclear holocaust of unbelievable dimensions.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
So it's the obligation of the president to do just that, and I intend to do so.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
Mr. President, let me follow that up by - I'll submit that the cruise missile adds a - a whole new dimension to the - to the arms competition - and then cite a statement by your office to the Arms Control Association a few days ago in which you said the cruise missile might eventually be included in a comprehensive arms limitation agreement but that in the meantime it was an essential of the American strategic arsenal.	TREWHITT	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Now, uh - may I assume that from that you're tending to exclude the cruise missile from the next SALT agreement, or is it still negotiable in that context?	TREWHITT	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
I believe that the cruise missiles which we are now developing in research and development across the spectrum from air, from the sea, or from the land, uh - can be uh - included within a SALT II agreement.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
They are a new weapons system that has a great potential, both conventional and nuclear armed.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
At the same time, we have to make certain that the Soviet Union's Backfire, which they claim is not an intercontinental aircraft and which some of our people contend is, must also be included if we are to get the kind of agreement which is in the best interest of both countries.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
And I really believe that it - it's far better for us and for the Soviet Union, and more importantly for the people around the world, that these two superpowers find an answer for a SALT II agreement before October three, 1977.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
I think good will on both parts, hard bargaining by both parties and a reasonable compromise will be in the best interests of all parties.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
Governor Carter.	Pauline Frederick	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Well, Mr. Ford acts like he's uh - running for president for the first time.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
He's been in office two years, and there has been absolutely no progress made toward a new SALT agreement.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
He has learned the date of the expiration of SALT I, apparently.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
We've seen, in this world, a development of a tremendous threat to us.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
As a nuclear engineer myself, I know the limitations and capabilities of atomic power.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
I also - know that as far as the human beings on this earth are concerned that the nonproliferation of atomic weapons is number one.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Only the last few days with the election approaching, has Mr. Ford taken any interest in a nonproliferation movement.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
I advocated last May in a speech at the United Nations that we move immediately as a nation to declare a complete moratorium on the testing of all nuclear devices, both weapons and peaceful devices; that we not ship any more atomic fuel to a country that refuses to comply with strict controls over the waste which can be reprocessed into explosives.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
I've also advocated that we stop the sale by Germany and France of - processing plants for Pakistan and Brazil.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
Mr. Ford hasn't moved on this.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
We also need to provide an adequate supply of enriched uranium.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
Mr. Ford, again, under pressure from the atomic energy lobby, has insisted that this reprocessing or rather re-en- enrichment be done by private industry and not by the existing uh - government uh - plants.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
This kind of confusion and absence of leadership has let us drift now for two years with a constantly increasing threat of atomic weapons throughout the world.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
We now have five nations that have atomic bombs that we know about.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
If we continue under Mr. Ford's policy by 1985 or '90 we'll have twenty nations that have the capability of exploding atomic weapons.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
This has got to be stopped.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
That is one of the major challenges and major undertakings that I will assume as the next president.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
Mr. Valeriani, a question for Governor Carter.	Pauline Frederick	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Governor Carter, earlier tonight you said America is not strong any more; America is not respected any more.	VALERIANI	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
And I feel that I must ask you: Do you really believe that the United States is not the strongest country in the world, do you really believe that the United States is not the most respected country in the world?	VALERIANI	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Or is that just campaign rhetoric?	VALERIANI	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
No, it's not just campaign rhetoric.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
I think that militarily we are as strong as any nation on earth.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
I think we got to stay that way and continue to increase our capabilities to meet any potential threat.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
But as far as strength derived from commitment to principles, as far as strength derived from the unity within our country, as far as strength derived from the people, the Congress, the secretary of state, the president, sharing in the evolution and carrying-out of a foreign policy, as far as strength derived from the respect of our own allies and friends, their assurance that we will be staunch in our commitment, that we will not deviate and that we'll give them adequate attention, as far as - as strength derived from doing what's right - caring for the poor, providing food, becoming the breadbasket of the world instead of the arms merchant of the world - in those respects, we're not strong.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
Also, we'll never be strong again overseas, unless we're strong at home.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
And with our economy in such terrible disarray and getting worse by the month.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
We've got five-hundred thousand more Americans unemployed today than we had three months ago.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
We've got two and a half million more Americans out of work now than we had when Mr. Ford took office.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
This kind of deterioration in our economic strength is bound to weaken us around the world.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
And we not only have uh problems at home but we export those problems overseas.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
So as far as the respect of our own people toward our own government, as far as participating in the shaping of uh - concepts and commitments, as far as the trust of our country among the nations of the world, as far as dependence of our country in meeting the needs and obligations that we've expressed to our allies, as far as the respect of our country - even among our potential adversaries - we are weak.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
Potentially we're strong.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
Under this administration that strength has not been realized.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
President Ford.	Pauline Frederick	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Governor Carter uh - brags about the unemployment during Democratic administrations and condemns the unemployment at the present time.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
I must remind him that we're at peace and during the period that he brags about unemployment being low, the United States was at war.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
Now let me correct one other comment that uh - Governor Carter has made.	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
I have recommended to the Congress that we develop the uranium enrichment plant at Portsmouth, Ohio, which is a publicly owned - U.S. government facility and have indicated that the private program which would follow on in Alabama is one that may or may not uhh - be constructed.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
But I am committed to the one at Portsmouth, Ohio.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
The governor also talks about morality in foreign policy.	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
The foreign policy of the United States meets the highest standards of morality.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
What is more moral than peace, and the United States is at peace today?	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
What is more moral in foreign policy than for the administration to take the lead in the World Food Conference in Rome in 1974 when the United States committed six million metric tons of food - over 60 percent of the food committed for the disadvantaged and underdeveloped nations of the world?	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
The Ford administration wants to eradicate hunger and disease in our underdeveloped countries throughout the world.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
What is more moral than for the United States under the Ford administration to take the lead in southern Africa, in the Middle East?	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Those are initiatives in foreign policy which are of the highest moral standard and that is indicative of the foreign policy of this country.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
Mr. Frankel, a question for President Ford.	Pauline Frederick	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Mr. President, can we stick with morality?	FRANKEL	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Uh - for a lot of people it seems to cover uh - a bunch of sins.	FRANKEL	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Uh - Mr. Nixon and Mr. Kissinger used to tell us that instead of morality we had to worry in the - in the world about living and letting live all kinds of governments that we really don't like.	FRANKEL	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
North and South Korean dictators, Chilean fascists, uh - Chinese Communists, Iranian emperors and so on.	FRANKEL	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
They said the only way to get by in a wicked world was to treat others on the basis of how they treated us and not how they treated their own people.	FRANKEL	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
But more recently, uhh - we seemed to've taken a different tack.	FRANKEL	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Uhh - we've seemed to have decided that it - that it is part of our business to tell the Rhodesians, for instance, that the way they're treating their own black people is wrong and they've got to change their government and we've put pressure an them.	FRANKEL	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
We were rather liberal in our advice to the Italians as to how to vote.	FRANKEL	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Umm - is this a new Ford foreign policy in the making?	FRANKEL	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Can we expect that you are now going to turn to South Africa and force them to change their governments, to intervene in similar ways to end the bloodshed, as you called it, say, in Chile or Chilean prisons, and throw our weight around for the - for the values that - that we hold dear in the world?	FRANKEL	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
I believe that uh - our foreign policy must express the highest standards of morality.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
And the initiatives that we took in southern Africa are the best examples of what this administration is doing and will continue to do in the next four years.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
If the United States had not moved when we did in southern Africa, there's no doubt there would have been an acceleration of bloodshed in that tragic part of the world.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
If we had not taken our initiative, it's very, very possible that uh - the government of Rhodesia would have been overrun and that the Soviet Union and the Cubans would have dominated uh - southern Africa.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
So the United States, seeking to preserve the principle of self-determination, to eliminate the possibility of bloodshed, to protect the rights of the minority as we insisted upon the rights of the majority, uh - I believe followed the good conscience of the American people in foreign policy.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
And I believe that we used our skill.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
Secretary of State Kissinger has done a superb job in working with the black African nations, the so-called front-line nations.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
He has done a superb job in getting the prime minister of South Africa, Mr. Vorster, to agree that the time had come for a solution to the problem of Rhodesia.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
Secretary Kissinger, in his meeting with uh - Prime Minister Smith of Rhodesia, was able to convince him that it was in the best interests of whites as well as blacks in Rhodesia to find an answer for a transitional government and then a majority government.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
This is a perfect example of the kind of leadership that the United States, under this administration, has taken.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
And I can assure you that this administration will follow that high moral principle in our future efforts in foreign policy, including our efforts in the Middle East where it is vitally important because the Middle East is the crossroads of the world.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
There've been more disputes in its area where there's more volatility than any other place in the world.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
But because Arab nations and the Israelis trust the United States, we were able to take the lead in the Sinai II Agreement.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
And I can assure you that the United States will have the leadership role in moving toward a comprehensive settlement of the Middle Eastern problems, I hope and trust as soon as possible.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
And we will do it with the highest moral principles.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
Mr. President, just clarify one paint: There are lots of majorities in the world that feel they're being pushed around by minority governments.	FRANKEL	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
And are you saying they can now expect to look to us for not just good cheer but throwing our weight on their side - in South Africa, or on Taiwan, or in Chile, uh - to help change their governments, as in Rhodesia?	FRANKEL	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
I would hope that as we move to one area of the world from another - and the United States must not spread itself too thinly - that was one of the problems that helped to create the circumstances in Vietnam - but as we as a nation find that we are asked by the various parties, either one nation against another or individuals within a nation, that the United States will take the leadership and try to resolve the differences.	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Let me take uh - South Korea as an example.	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
I have personally told President Pack that the United States does not condone the kind of repressive measures that he has taken in that country.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
But I think in all fairness and equity we have to recognize the problem that South Korea has.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
On the north they have North Korea with five hundred thousand well-trained, well-equipped troops - they are supported by the People's Republic of China; they are supported by the Soviet Union.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
South Korea faces a very delicate situation.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
Now the United States, in this case, this administration, has recommended a year ago and we have reiterated it again this year, that the United States, South Korea, North Korea and the uh - People's Republic of China sit down at a conference table to resolve the problems of the Korean peninsula.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
This is a leadership role that the United States under this administration is carrying out, and if we do it, and I think the opportunities and the possibilities are getting better, we will have solved many of the internal domestic problems that exist in South Korea at the present time.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
Governor Carter.	Pauline Frederick	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
I notice that Mr. Ford didn't comment on the uh - prisons in Chile.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
This is an - a typical example, maybe of many others, where this administration overthrew an elected government and helped to establish a military dictatorship.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
This has not been an ancient history story.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
Last year under Mr. Ford, of all the Food for Peace that went to South America, 85 percent went to the military dictatorship in Chile.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
Another point I wanna make is this.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
He says we have to move from one area of the world to another.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
That's one of the problems with this administration's so-called shuttle diplomacy.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
While the secretary of state's in one country, there are almost a hundred and fifty others that are wondering what we're gonna do next, what will be the next secret agreement.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
We don't have a comprehensive understandable foreign policy that deals with world problems or even regional problems.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
Another thing that concerned me was what Mr. Ford said about unemployment, that - insinuating that under Johnson and Kennedy that unemployment could only be held down when this country is at war.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Karl Marx said that the free enterprise system in a democracy can only continue to exist when they are at war or preparing far war.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
Karl Marx was the grandfather of Communism.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
I don't agree with that statement.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
I hope Mr. Ford doesn't either.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
He has put pressure on the Congress - and I don't believe Mr. Ford would even deny this - to hold up on nonproliferation legislation until the Congress agreed for an $8 billion program for private industry to start producing enriched uranium.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
And the last thing I wanna make is this.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
He talks about peace and I'm thankful for peace.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
We were peaceful when Mr. Ford went into office.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
But he and Mr. Kissinger and others tried to start a new Vietnam in Angola, and it was only the outcry of the American people and the Congress when their secret deal was discovered that prevented our involvement in that conflagration which was taking place there.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
Gentlemen, I'm sorry we do not have time enough for two complete sequences of questions.	Pauline Frederick	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
We now have only twelve minutes left.	Pauline Frederick	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Therefore, I would like to ask for shorter questions and shorter answers.	Pauline Frederick	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
And we also will drop the follow-up question.	Pauline Frederick	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Each candidate may still respond, of course, to the other's answer.	Pauline Frederick	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Mr. Trewhitt, a question for Governor Carter.	Pauline Frederick	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Governor Carter, before this event the most communications I received concerned Panama.	TREWHITT	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Is - would you as president be prepared to sign a treaty which at a fixed date yielded administrative and economic control of the Canal Zone and shared defense, which, as I understand it, is the position the United States took in 1974?	TREWHITT	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Well, here again, uh - the Panamanian question is one that's been confused by Mr. Ford.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
Uh - he had directed his uh - diplomatic relation - uh - uh - representative to yield to the Panamanians full sovereignty over the Panama Canal Zone at the end of a certain period of time.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
When Mr. Reagan raised this uh - question in Florida uh - Mr. Ford not only disavowed his instructions, but he also even dropped, parenthetically, the use of the word "detente."	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
I would never give up complete control or practical control of the Panama Canal Zone, but I would continue to negotiate with the Panamanians.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
When the original treaty was signed back in the early 1900s, when Theodore Roosevelt was president, Panama retained sovereignty over the Panama Canal Zone.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
We retained control as though we had sovereignty.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
Now I would be willing to go ahead with negotiations.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
I believe that we could share more fully responsibilities for the Panama Canal Zone with Panama.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
I would be willing to continue to raise the payment for shipment of goods through the Panama Canal Zone.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
I might even be willing to reduce to some degree our military emplacements in the Panama Canal Zane, but I would not relinquish practical control of the Panama Canal Zane any time in the foreseeable future.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
President Ford.	Pauline Frederick	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
The United States must and will maintain complete access to the Panama Canal.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
The United States must maintain a defense capability of the Panama Canal.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
And the United States will maintain our national security interest in the Panama Canal.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
The negotiations far the Panama Canal started under President Johnson and have continued up to the present time.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
I believe those negotiations should continue.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
But there are certain guidelines that must be followed, and I've just defined them.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
Let me take just a minute to comment on something that Governor Carter said.	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
On non - nu- oh - uh - nonproliferation, in May of l975, I called for a conference of uh - nuclear suppliers.	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
That conference has met six times.	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
In May of this year, Governor Carter took the first initiative, approximately twelve months after I had taken my initiative a year ago.	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Mr. Valeriani, a question for President Ford.	Pauline Frederick	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Mr. President, the Government Accounting Office has just put out a report suggesting that you shot from the hip in the Mayaguez rescue mission and that you ignored diplomatic messages saying that a peaceful solution was in prospect.	VALERIANI	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Uh - why didn't you do more diplomatically at the time; and a related question: Did the White House try to prevent the release of that report?	VALERIANI	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
The White House did not uh - prevent the release of that report.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
On July twelfth of this year, we gave full permission for the release of that report.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
I was very disappointed in the fact that the uh - GAO released that report because I think it interjected political partisan politics at the present time.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
But let me comment on the report.	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Somebody who sits in Washington, D.C., eighteen months after the Mayaguez incident, can be a very good grandstand quarterback.	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
And let me make another observation.	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
This morning, I got a call from the skipper of the Mayaguez.	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
He was furious because he told me that it was the action of me, President Ford, that saved the lives of the crew of the Mayaguez.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
And I can assure you that if we had not taken the strong and forceful action that we did, we would have been uh - criticized very, very uh - severely for sitting back and not moving.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
Captain Miller is thankful.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
The crew is thankful.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
We did the right thing.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
It seems to me that those who sit in Washington eighteen months after the incident are not the best judges of the decision-making process that had to be made by the National Security Council and by myself at the time the incident was developing in the Pacific.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
Let me assure you that we made every possible overture to the People's Republic of China and through them to the Cambodian Government.	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
We made uh - diplomatic uh - protests to the Cambodian government through the United Nations.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
Every possible diplomatic means was utilized.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
But at the same time, I had a responsibility, and so did the National Security Coun- Council, to meet the problem at hand.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
And we handled it responsibly and I think Captain Miller's testimony to that effect is the best evidence.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
Governor Carter.	Pauline Frederick	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Well, I'm reluctant to uh comment on the recent report - I haven't read it.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
I think the American people have only one - uh requirement - that the facts about Mayaguez be given to them accurately and completely.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
Mr. Ford has been there for eighteen months.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
He had the facts that were released today immediately after the Mayaguez incident.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
I understand that the report today is accurate.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
Mr. Ford has said, I believe, that it was accurate, and that the White House made no attempt to block the issuing of that report.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
I don't know if that's exactly accurate or not.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
I understand that both the - the uh - Department of State and the Defense Department have approved the accuracy of today's report, or yesterday's report, and also the National Security Agency.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
I don't know what was right, or what was wrong, or what was done.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
The only thing I believe is that whatever the - the knowledge was that Mr. Ford had should have been given to the American people eighteen months ago, immediately after the Mayaguez uh - incident occurred.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
This is uh - what the American people want.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
When something happens that endangers our security, or when something happens that threatens our stature in the world, or when American people are endangered by the actions of a foreign country, uh - just forty uh sailors on the Mayaguez, we obviously have to move aggressively and quickly to rescue them.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
But then after the immediate action is taken, I believe the president has an obligation to tell the American people the truth and not wait eighteen months later for the report to be issued.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
Gentlemen, at this time we have time for only two very short questions.	Pauline Frederick	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Mr. Frankel, a question for Governor Carter.	Pauline Frederick	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Governor Carter, if the price of uh - gaining influence among the Arabs is closing our eyes a little bit to their boycott against Israel, how would you handle that?	FRANKEL	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
I believe that the boycott of American businesses by the Arab countries because those businesses trade with Israel or because they have American Jews who are owners or directors in the company is an absolute disgrace.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
This is the first time that I've - remember in the history of our country when we've let a foreign country circumvent or change our Bill of Rights.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
I'll do everything I can as president to stop the boycott of American businesses by the Arab countries.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
It's not a matter of diplomacy or trade with me.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
It's a matter of morality.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
And I don't believe that Arab countries will pursue it when we have a strong president who will protect the integrity of our country, the commitment of our Constitution and Bill of Rights and protect people in this country who happen to be Jews.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
It may later be Catholics; it may be - later be Baptists who are threatened by some foreign country.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
But we ought to stand staunch.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
And I think it's a disgrace that so far Mr. Ford's administration has blocked the passage of legislation that would've revealed by law every instance of the boycott and it would've prevented the boycott from continuing.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
President Ford.	Pauline Frederick	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Again Governor Carter is inaccurate.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
The Arab boycott action was first taken in 1952.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
And in November of 1975 I was the first president to order the executive branch to take action, affirmative action, through the Department of Commerce and other cabinet departments, to make certain that no American businessman or business organization should discriminate against Jews because of an Arab boycott.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
And I might add that uh - my administration - and I'm very proud of it - is the first administration that has taken an antitrust action against companies in this country that have allegedly cooperated with the Arab boycott.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
Just on Monday of this week I signed a tax bill that included an amendment that would prevent companies in the United States from taking a tax deduction if they have in any way whatsoever cooperated with the Arab boycott.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
And last week when we were trying to get the Export Administration Act through the Congress - necessary legislation - my administration went to Capitol Hill and tried to convince the House and the Senate that we should have an amendment on that legislation which would take strong and effective action against those who uh - participate or cooperate with the Arab uh boycott.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
One other point.	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Because the Congress failed to act, I am going to announce tomorrow that the Department of Commerce will disclose those companies that have uh - participated in the Arab boycott.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
This is something that we can do; the Congress failed to do it, and we intend to do it.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
Mr. Trewhitt, a very brief question for President Ford.	Pauline Frederick	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Mr. President, if you get the accounting of missing in action you want from North Vietnam - or from Vietnam, I'm sorry, now would you then be prepared to reopen negotiations for restoration of relations with that country?	TREWHITT	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Let me restate uh - our policy.	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
As long as Vietnam, North Vietnam, does not give us a full and complete accounting of our missing in action, I will never uh - go along with the admission of Vietnam to the United Nations.	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
If they do give us a bona fide, complete uh - accounting of the eight hundred MIA's, then I believe that the United States should begin negotiations for the uh - admission of Vietnam to the United Nations.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
But not until they have given us the full accounting of our MIAs.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
Governor Carter.	Pauline Frederick	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
One of the uh - most embarrassing uh - failures of the Ford administration, and one that touches specifically on human rights, is his refusal to appoint a presidential commission to go to Vietnam, to go to Laos, to go to Cambodia and try to trade for the release of information about those who are missing in action in those wars.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
This is what the families of MIAs want.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
So far, Mr. Ford has not done it.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
We've had several fragmentary efforts by members of the Congress and by - by private citizens.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
Several months ago the Vietnam government said, "We are ready to sit down and negotiate for release of information on MIAs.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
So far, Mr. Ford has not responded.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
I would never normalize relationships with Vietnam, nor permit them to join the United Nations until they've taken this action.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
But that's not enough.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
We need to have an active and aggressive action on the part of the president, the leader of his country, to seek out every possible way to get that information which has kept the MIA families in despair and doubt, and Mr. Ford has just not done it.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
Thank you Governor Carter.	Pauline Frederick	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
That completes the questioning for this evening.	Pauline Frederick	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Each candidate now has up to three minutes for a closing statement.	Pauline Frederick	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
It was determined by the toss of a coin that Governor Carter would take the first question, and he now goes first with his closing remarks.	Pauline Frederick	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Governor Carter.	Pauline Frederick	NaN	1976	06 Oct 1976
The purpose of this debate and the outcome of the election will determine three basic things: Leadership, upholding the principles of our country, and proper priorities and commitments for the future.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
This election will also determine what kind of world we leave our children.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
Will it be a nightmare world threatened with the proliferation of atomic bombs, not just in five major countries but dozens of smaller countries that have been permitted to develop atomic weapons because of a failure of our top leadership to stop proliferation?	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Will we have a world of hunger and - and hatred, and will we be living in an armed camp stripped of our friendship and allies hiding behind a tight defense that's been drawn in around us because we are fearful of the outside world?	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Will we have a government of secrecy that excludes the American people from participation in making basic decisions and therefore covers up mistakes and makes it possible for our government - our government - to depart from the principles of our Constitution and Bill of Rights?	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Or will we have a world of peace with the threat of atomic weapons eliminated, with full trade, with our people at work, inflation controlled, openness in government, our people proud once again, Congress, citizens, president, secretary of state working in harmony and unity toward a common future?	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Or world where people have enough to eat and a world where we care about those who don't?	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Can we become a breadbasket of the world instead of the arms merchant of the world?	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
I believe we can and we ought to.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
Now we've been hurt in recent years in this country.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
In the aftermath of Vietnam, Cambodia, Chile, Pakistan, Angola, Watergate, CIA, we've been hurt.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
Our people feel that we've lost something precious.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
That's not necessary.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
I wanna see our nation - return to a posture and an image and a standard to make us proud once again.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
I remember the world with NATO, and the world of Point Four, and the world of the Marshall Plan, and the world of the Peace Corps.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
Why can't we have that once again?	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
We ought to be a beacon for nations who search for peace and who search for freedom, who search for individual liberty, who search for basic human rights.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
We haven't been lately.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
We can be once again.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
We'll never have that world leadership until we are strong at home, and we can have that strength if we return to the basic principles.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
It ought not to be a strength of bombast and threats.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
It ought to be a quiet strength based on the integrity of our people, the vision of the Constitution, an in- innate strong will and purpose that God's given us in the greatest nation on earth - the United States.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
President Ford.	Pauline Frederick	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
As we have seen tonight, foreign policy and defense policy are difficult and complex issues.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	06 Oct 1976
We can debate methods, we can debate one decision or another, but there are two uh things which cannot be debated - experience and results.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
In the last two years, I have made policy decisions involving - long-range difficulties and policies and made day-to-day judgments not only as president of the United States but as the leader of the free world What is the result of that leadership?	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
America is strong.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
America is free.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
America is respected.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
Not a single young American today is fighting or dying on any foreign battlefield.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
America is at peace and with freedom.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	06 Oct 1976
Thank you, and good night.	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	06 Oct 1976
Good evening, I'm Barbara Walters, moderator of the last of the debates of 1976 between Gerald R. Ford, Republican candidate for president, and Jimmy Carter, Democratic candidate for president.	WALTERS	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
Welcome, President Ford.	WALTERS	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
Welcome, Governor Carter.	WALTERS	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
And thank you for joining us this evening.	WALTERS	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
This debate takes place before an audience in Phi Beta Kappa Memorial Hall on the campus of the College of William and Mary in historic Williamsburg, Virginia.	WALTERS	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
It is particularly appropriate that in this Bicentennial year we meet on these grounds to hear this debate.	WALTERS	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
Two hundred years ago, five William and Mary students met at nearby Raleigh Tavern to form Phi Beta Kappa, a fraternity designed, they wrote, to search out and dispel the clouds of falsehood by debating without reserve the issues of the day.	WALTERS	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
In that spirit of debate, without reserve, to dispel the clouds of falsehood, gentlemen, let us proceed.	WALTERS	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
The subject matter of this debate is open, covering all issues and topics.	WALTERS	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
Our questioners tonight are Joseph Kraft, syndicated columnist; Robert Maynard, editorial writer for the Washington Post; and Jack Nelson, Washington bureau chief of the Los Angeles Times.	WALTERS	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
The ground rules tonight are as follows: Questioners will alternate questions between the candidates.	WALTERS	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
The candidate has up to two and one-half minutes to answer the question.	WALTERS	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
The other candidate has up to two minutes to respond.	WALTERS	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
If necessary, a questioner may ask a follow-up question for further clarification, and in that case the candidate has up to two minutes to respond.	WALTERS	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
As was initially agreed to by both candidates, the answers should be responsive to the particular questions.	WALTERS	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
Finally, each candidate has up to three minutes for a closing statement.	WALTERS	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
President Ford and Governor Carter do not have prepared notes or comments with them this evening, but they may make notes and refer to them during the debate.	WALTERS	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
It has been determined that President Ford would take the first question in this last debate, and Mr. Kraft, you have that first question for President Ford.	WALTERS	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
Mr. President, uh - I assume that the Americans all know that these are difficult times and that there's no "pie in the sky" and that they don't expect something for nothing.	KRAFT	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
Uh - so, I'd like to ask you as a first question as you look ahead in the next four years, what sacrifices are you going to call on the American people to make, what price are you going to ask them to pay uh - to realize your objectives?	KRAFT	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
Uh - let me add, uh - Governor Carter, that if - if you felt uh - that it was appropriate to answer that question in - in your comments uh - as to what price it would be appropriate for the American pay - people to pay uh - for a Carter administration, I think that would be proper too.	KRAFT	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
Mr. President?	KRAFT	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
Mr. Kraft, I believe that the American people, in the next four years under a Ford administration, will be called upon to make those necessary sacrifices to preserve the peace which we have.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
Which means, of course, that uh - we will have to maintain an adequate military capability - which means, of course, that we will have to add a uh - I think uh - a few billion dollars to our defense appropriations to make certain that we have adequate uh -strategic forces - adequate conventional forces.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
I think the American people will be called upon to uh - uh - be in the forefront in giving leadership to the solution of those problems that must be solved in the Middle East, in southern Africa, and any problems that might arise in the Pacific.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
The American people will be called upon to tighten their belts a bit in meeting some of the problems that we face domestically.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
I don't think that uh - America can go on a big spending spree with a whole lot of new programs uh - that would add significantly to the federal budget.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
I believe that the American people, if given the leadership that I would expect to give, would be willing to give this thrust to preserve the peace and the necessary restraint at home to hold the lid on spending so that we could, I think, have a long overdue and totally justified tax decrease for the middle-income people.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
And then, with the economy that would be generated from a restraint on spending, and a tax uh reduction primarily for the middle-income people, then I think the American people would be willing to make those sacrifices for peace and prosperity in the next uh - four years.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
Could I be a little bit more specific, Mr. President?	KRAFT	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
Surely, surely, overlapping.	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
Doesn't your policy really imply that we're going to have a fairly high rate of unemployment over a fairly long time, that growth is gonna be fairly slow, and that we're not gonna be able to do much - very much in the next four or five years to meet the basic agenda of our national needs in the cities, in health, uh in transit and a whole lot of things like that.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
Not at all.	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
overlapping, aren't those the real costs?	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
No, Mr. Kraft, we're spending very significant amounts of money now, some $200 billion a year, almost 50 percent of our total federal expenditure uh - by the federal government at the present time for human needs.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
Now we will probably need to increase that to same extent.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
But we don't have to have - growth in spending that will blow the lid off and add to the problems of inflation.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
I believe we can meet the problems within the cities of this country and still uh - give a tax reduction.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
I proposed, as you know, a reduction to increase the personal exemption from seven hundred and fifty to a thousand dollars.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
With the fiscal program that I have, and if you look at the projections, it shows that we will reduce unemployment, that we will continue to win the battle against inflation, and at the same time give the kind of quality of life that I believe is possible in America.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
Uh - a job, a home for all those that'll work and save for it, uh - safety in the streets, uh - health that is a - health care that is affordable.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
These things can be done if we have the right vision and the right restraint and the right leadership.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
Thank you.	WALTERS	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
Governor Carter, your response please.	WALTERS	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
Well I might say first of all that I think in case of the Carter administration the sacrifices would be much less.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
Mr. Ford's own uh - environmental agency has projected a 10 percent unemployment rate by 1978 if he's uh - president.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
The American people are ready to make sacrifices if they are part of the process.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
If they know that they will be helping to make decisions and won't be excluded from being an involved party to the national purpose.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
The major effort we must put forward is to put our people back to work.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
And I think that this uh - is one example where uh - a lot of people have selfish, grasping ideas now.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
I remember 1973 in the depth of the uh - energy crisis when President Nixon called on the American people to make a sacrifice, to cut down on the waste of uh - gasoline, to cut down on the uh - speed of automobiles.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
It was a - a tremendous surge of patriotism, that "I want to make a sacrifice for my country."	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
I think we uh - could call together, with strong leadership in the White House, business, industry and labor, and say let's have voluntary price restraints.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
Let's lay down some guidelines so we don't have continuing inflation.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
We can also have a- an end to the extremes.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
We now have one extreme for instance, of some welfare recipients, who by taking advantage of the welfare laws, the housing laws, the uh - Medicaid uh - laws, and the uh - food stamp laws, make over $10 thousand a year and uh - they don't have to pay any taxes on it.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
At the other extreme, uh - just 1 percent of the richest people in our country derive 25 percent of all the tax benefits.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
So both those extremes grasp for advantage and the person who has to pay that expense is the middle-income family who's still working for a living and they have to pay for the rich who have privilege, and for the poor who are not working.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
But I think uh - uh - a balanced approach, with everybody being part of it and a striving for unselfishness, could help as it did in 1973 to let people sacrifice for their own country.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
I know I'm ready for it.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
I think the American people are too.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
Thank you.	WALTERS	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
Mr. Maynard, your question for Governor Carter.	WALTERS	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
Governor, by all indications, the voters are so turned off by this election campaign so far that only half intend to vote.	MAYNARD	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
One major reason for this apathetic electorate appears to be the low level at which this campaign has been conducted.	MAYNARD	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
It has digressed frequently from important issues into allegations of blunder and brainwashing and fixations on lust and Playboy.	MAYNARD	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
What responsibility do you accept for the low level of this campaign for the nation's highest office?	MAYNARD	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
I think the major reason for a decrease in participation that we have experienced ever since 1960 has been the deep discouragement of the American people about the performance of public officials.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
When you've got seven and a half, eight million people out of work, and you've got three times as much inflation as you had during the last eight-year Democratic administration, when you have the highest deficits in history; when you have it uh - becoming increasingly difficult far a family to put a child through college or to own a home, there's a natural inclination to be turned off.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
Also, in the aftermath of Vietnam and Cambodia and uh - Watergate and uh - the CIA revelations, people have feel - have felt that they've uh been betrayed by public officials, I have to admit that in the uh - heat of the campaign - I've been in thirty primaries during the springtime, I've been campaigning for twenty-two months - I've made some mistakes.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
And I think this is uh - uh - part of uh - of just being a human being.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
I - I have to say that my campaign has been an open one.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
And uh - the Playboy thing has been of great - very great concern to me.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
I don't know how to deal with it exactly.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
Uh - I uh - agreed to give the interview uh - to Playboy Other people have done it who are notable - uh - Governor Jerry Brown, uh - Walter Cronkite, uh - Albert Schweitzer, Mr. Ford's own secretary of the treasury, Mr. Simon, uh - William Buckley - many other people.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
But they weren't running for president, and in retrospect, from hindsight, I would not have given that uh - interview had I do it - had it - I to do it over again.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
If I should ever decide in the future to discuss my - my deep Christian beliefs and uh - condemnation and sinfulness, I'll use another forum besides Playboy.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
But I can say this, uh - I'm doing the best I can to get away from that, and during the next ten days, the American people will not see the Carter campaign running uh - television advertisements and newspaper advertisements based on a personal attack on President Ford's character.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
I believe that the opposite is true with President Ford's campaign, and uh - I hope that we can leave those issues in this next ten days about personalities and mistakes of the past - we've both made some mistakes - and talk about unemployment, inflation, housing, education, taxation, government organization, stripping away of secrecy, and the things that are crucial to the American people.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
I regret the things in my own long campaign that have been mistaken, but I'm trying to do away with those the last ten days.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
Thank you, Governor Carter.	WALTERS	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
President Ford, your response.	WALTERS	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
I believe that the uh - American people have been turned off in this election, uh - Mr. Maynard, for a variety of reasons.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
We have seen on Capitol Hill, in the Congress, uh - a great many uh - allegations of wrong-doing, of uh - alleged immorality, uh - those are very disturbing to the American people.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
They wonder how an elected representative uh - can serve them and participate in such activities uh - serving in the Congress of the United States.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
Yes, and I'm certain many, many Americans were turned off by the revelations of Watergate, a very, very uh - bad period of time in American political history.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
Yes, and thousands, maybe millions of Americans were turned off because of the uh - problems that came out of our involvement in Vietnam.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
But on the other hand, I found on July fourth of this year, a new spirit born in America.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
We were celebrating our Bicentennial; and I find that uh - there is a - a movement as I travel around the country of greater interest in this campaign.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
Now, like uh - any hardworking uh - person seeking public office uh - in the campaign, inevitably sometimes you will use uh - rather graphic language and I'm guilty of that just like I think most others in the political arena.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
But I do make a pledge that in the next ten days when we're asking the American people to make one of the most important decisions in their lifetime, because I think this election is one of the mast vital in the history of America, that uh - we do together what we can to stimulate voter participation.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
Thank you, President Ford.	WALTERS	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
Mr. Nelson, your question to President Ford.	WALTERS	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
Uh - Mr. President, you mentioned Watergate, and you became president because of Watergate, so don't you owe the American people a special obligation to explain in detail your role of limiting one of the original investigations of Watergate, that was the one by the House Banking Committee?	NELSON	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
And, I know you've answered questions on this before, but there are questions that still remain and I think people want to know what your role was.	NELSON	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
Will you name the persons you talked to in connection with that investigation, and since you say you have no recollection of talking to anyone from the White House, would you be willing to open for examination the White House tapes of conversations uh - during that period?	NELSON	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
Well, Mr. uh - Nelson, uh - I testified before two committees, House and Senate, on precisely the questions that you have asked.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
And the testimony under oath was to the effect that I did not talk to Mr. Nixon, to Mr. Haldeman, to Mr. Ehrlichman, or to any of the people at the White House.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
I said I had no recollection whatsoever of talking with any of the White House legislative liaison people.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
I indicated under oath that the initiative that I took was at the request of the ranking members of the House Banking and Currency Committee on the Republican side, which was a legitimate request and a proper response by me.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
Now that was gone into by two congressional committees, and following that investigation, both committees overwhelmingly approved me, and the House and the Senate did likewise.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
Now, in the meantime, the special prosecutor, within the last few days, after an investigation himself, said there was no reason for him to get involved because he found nothing that would justify it.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
And then just a day or two ago, the attorney general of the United States made a further investigation and came to precisely the same conclusion.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
Now, after all of those investigations by objective, responsible people, I think the matter is closed once and for all.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
But to add one other feature, I don't control any of the tapes.	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
Those tapes are in the jurisdiction of the courts and I have no right to say "yes" or "no."	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
But all the committees, the attorney general, the special prosecutor, all of them have given me a clean bill of health.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
I think the matter is settled once and for all.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
Well, Mr. President, if I do say so though, the question is that I think that you still have not gone into details about what your role in it was.	NELSON	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
And I don't think there is any question about whether or not uh - there was criminal prosecution, but whether - whether you have told the American people your entire involvement in it.	NELSON	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
And whether you would be willing, even if you don't control the tapes, whether you would be willing to ask that the tapes be released for examination.	NELSON	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
That's for the uh - proper authorities who have control over those tapes to make that decision.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
I have given every bit of evidence, answered every question that's as- been asked me by any senator or any member of the House.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
Plus the fact, that the special prosecutor, on his own initiation, and the attorney general on his initiation, the highest law enforcement official in this country, all of them have given me a clean bill of health.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
And I've told everything I know about it.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
I think the matter is settled once and for all.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
Governor Carter, your response.	WALTERS	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
I don't have a response.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
Thank you.	WALTERS	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
Then we'll have the next question from Mr. Kraft to Governor Carter.	WALTERS	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
Uh - Governor Carter, the next big crisis spot in the world may be Yugoslavia.	KRAFT	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
Uh - President Tito is old and sick and there are divisions in his country.	KRAFT	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
Uh - it's pretty certain that the Russians are gonna do everything they possibly can after Tito dies to force Yugoslavia back into the Soviet camp.	KRAFT	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
But last Saturday you said, and this is a quote, "I would not go to war in Yugoslavia, even if the Soviet Union sent in troops."	KRAFT	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
Doesn't that statement practically invite the Russians to intervene in Yugoslavia?	KRAFT	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
Ah - doesn't it discourage Yugoslavs who might be tempted to resist?	KRAFT	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
And wouldn't it have been wiser on your part uh - to say nothing and to keep the Russians in the dark as President Ford did, and as I think every president has done since - since President Truman?	KRAFT	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
In the last uh - two weeks, I've had a chance to talk to uh - two men who have visited uh - the Soviet Union, Yugoslavia and China.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
One is Governor Avell- Averell Harriman, who visited the Soviet Union and Yugoslavia, and the other is James Schlesinger, whom I think you accompanied to uh - China.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
I got a- a complete report back from those countries from these two distinguished - uh - gentlemen.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
Mr. Harriman talked to the leaders in Yugoslavia, and I think it's accurate to say that there is no uh - prospect in their opinion, of the Soviet Union invading uh - Yugoslavia should uh - Mr. Tito pass away.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
The present leadership uh - there is uh - is fairly uniform in - in their purpose, and I think it's a close-knit group, uh - and uh - I think it would be unwise for us to say that we will go to war uh - in Yugoslavia uh - if the Soviets should invade, which I think would be an extremely unlikely thing.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
I have maintained from the very beginning of my campaign, and this was a standard answer that I made in response to the Yugoslavian question, that I would never uh - go to war or become militarily involved, in the internal affairs of another country unless our own security was direc- rectly threatened.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
And uh - I don't believe that our security would be directly threatened if the Soviet Union went uh - into Yugoslavia.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
I don't believe it will happen.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
I certainly hope it won't.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
I would take eh - the strongest possible measures short of uh - actual military uh - action there by our own troops, but I doubt that that would be an eventuality.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
One quick follow-up question.	KRAFT	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
(GOVERNOR CARTER: Yes.)	KRAFT	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
Did you clear the response you made with Secretary Schlesinger and Governor Harriman?	KRAFT	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
No, I did not.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
President Ford, your response.	WALTERS	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
I firmly believe, uh - Mr. Kraft, that it's unwise for a president to signal in advance what uh - options he might exercise if any uhh - international problem arose.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
I think we all recall with some sadness that at uh - the period of the nin- late nineteen forties, early nineteen fifties, there were some indications that the United States would not include uh - South Korea in an area of defense.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
There are some who allege, I can't prove it true or untrue, that uh - such a statement uh - in effect invited the North Koreans to invade South Korea.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
It's a fact they did.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
But no president of the United States, in my opinion, should signal in advance to a prospective enemy, what his uhh - decision might be or what option he might exercise.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
It's far better for a person sitting in the White House uh - who has a number of options to make certain that the uh - other side, so to speak, doesn't know precisely what you're going to do.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
And therefore, that was the reason that I would not uh - identify any particular course of action uh - when I responded to a question a week or so ago.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
Thank you, Mr. Maynard, your question to President Ford, please.	WALTERS	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
Sir, this question concerns your administrative performance as president.	MAYNARD	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
The other day, General George Brown, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, delivered his views on several sensitive subjects, among them Great Britain, one of this country's oldest allies.	MAYNARD	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
He said, and I quote him now, "Great Britain, it's a pathetic thing.	MAYNARD	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
It just makes you cry.	MAYNARD	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
They're no longer a world power.	MAYNARD	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
All they have are generals, admirals, and bands," end quote.	MAYNARD	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
Since General Brown's comments have caused this country embarrassment in the past, why is he still this nation's leading military officer?	MAYNARD	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
I have indicated to General Brown that uh - the words that he used in that interview, in that particular case and in several others, were very ill advised.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
And General Brown has indicated uh - his apology, his regrets, and I think that will, uh - in this situation, settle the matter.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
It is tragic that uh - the full transcript of that interview was not released and that there were excerpts, some of the excerpts, taken out of context.	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
Not this one, however, that you bring up.	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
General Brown has an exemply [sic] record of military performance.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
He served this nation with great, great skill and courage and bravery for thirty-five years.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
And I think it's the consensus of the people who are knowledgeable in the military field, that he is probably the outstanding military leader and strategist that we have in America today.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
Now he did use uh - ill-advised words, but I think in the fact that he apologized, that he was reprimanded, uh - does permit him to stay on and continue that kind of leadership that's we so badly need as we enter into uh - negotiations uh - under the SALT II agreement, or if we have operations that might be developing uh in the Middle East or southern Africa, in the Pacific, uh - we need a man with that experience, that knowledge, that know-how, and I think, in light of the fact that he has uh - apologized, uh - would not have justified my asking for his resignation.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
Thank you.	WALTERS	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
Governor Carter, your response.	WALTERS	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
Well, just briefly, I - I think this is uh - the second time that General Brown has made a statement that - for which he did have to apologize.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
And I know that everybody uh - makes mistakes.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
I think the first one was related to uh - the unwarranted influence of American Jews on the media and uh - in the Congress.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
This one concerned uh - Great Britain.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
I think he said that Israel was a - a military burden on us and that Iran hoped to reestablish the Persian Empire.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
Ah - I'm not uh - sure that I remembered earlier that President Ford had - had expressed uh - his concern about the statement or apologized for it.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
This is uh - something, though, that I think uh - is indicative of the need among the American people to know how its commander-in-chief, the president, feels and - and - and I think the only criticism that I would have uh - on - of Mr. Ford is that uh - immediately when the statement was re - re - revealed, uh - perhaps a - a statement from the president would have been a clarifying and a very beneficial thing.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
Mr. Nelson, your question now to Governor Carter.	WALTERS	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
Governor, despite the fact that uh - you've been running for president a long time now, uh - many Americans uh - still seem to be uneasy about you.	NELSON	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
Uh - they don't feel that uh - they know you or the people around you.	NELSON	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
And one problem seems to be that you haven't reached out to bring people of broad background or national experience into your campaign or your presidential plans.	NELSON	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
Most of the people around you on a day-to-day basis are the people you've kno- known in Georgia.	NELSON	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
Many of them are young and relatively inexperienced in national affairs.	NELSON	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
And uh - doesn't this raise a serious question as to uh - whether you would bring into a Carter administration uh people with the necessary background to run the federal government?	NELSON	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
I don't believe it does.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
Uh - I began campaigning uh - twenty-two months ago.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
At that time, nobody thought I had a chance to win.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
Uh - very few people knew who I was.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
I came from a tiny town, as you know, Plains, and didn't hold public office, didn't have very much money.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
And my first organization was just four or five people plus my wife and my children, my three sons and their wives.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
And we won the nomination by going out into the streets - barbershops, beauty parlors, restaurants, stores, in factory shift lines also in farmers' markets and livestock sale barns - and we talked a lot and we listened a lot and we learned from the American people.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
And we built up uh - an awareness among the uh - voters of this country, particularly those in whose primaries I entered - thirty of them, nobody's ever done that before - about who I was and what I stood for.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
Now we have a very, very wide-ranging group of advisers who help me prepare for these debates and who teach me about international economics, and foreign affairs, defense matters, health, education, welfare, government reorganization.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
I'd say, several hundred of them.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
And they're very fine and very highly qualified.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
The one major decision that I have made since acquiring the nomination, and I share this with President Ford, is the choice of a vice president.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
I think this should be indicative of the kind of leaders I would choose to help me if I am elected.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
I chose Senator Walter Mondale.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
And the only criterion I ever put forward in my own mind was who among the several million people in this country would be the best person qualified to be president, if something should happen to me and to join me in being vice president if I should serve out my term.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
And I'm convinced now, more than I was when I got the nomination, that Walter Mondale was the right choice, And I believe this is a good indication of the kind of people I would choose in the future.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
Mr. Ford has had that same choice to make.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
I don't want to say anything critical of Senator Dole, but I've never heard Mr. Ford say that that was his prim- primary consideration - Who is the best person I could choose in this country to be president of the United States?	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
I feel completely at ease knowing that someday Senator Mondale might very well be president.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
In the last five pres- vice presidential uh - nominees, uh - incumbents, three of them have become president.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
But I think this is indicative of what I would do.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
President Ford, your response, please.	WALTERS	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
The Governor may not have heard my uh - established criteria for the selection of a vice president, but uh - it was a well-established criteria that the person I selected would be fully qualified to be president of the United States.	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
And Senator Bob Dole is so qualified: sixteen years in the House of Representatives and in the Senate, uhh - very high responsibilities on important committees.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
I don't mean to be critical of uh - Senator Mondale, but uh - I was uh - very, very surprised when I read that uh - Senator Mondale made a very derogatory, very personal comment about General Brown uh - after the news story that uh - broke about General Brown.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
If my recollection is correct he indicated that uh - General Brown was not qualified to be a sewer commissioner.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
I don't think that's a proper way to describe aayuh- chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff who has fought for his country for thirty-five years, and I'm sure the governor would agree with me on that.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
Uh - I think Senator Dole would show more good judgment and discretion than to so describe uh - a heroic and brave and very outstanding leader of the military.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
So I think our selection uh - of Bob Dole as vice president uh - is based on merit.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
And if he should ever become uh - the president of the United States, with his vast experience as member the House and a member of the Senate, as well as a vice president, I think he would do an outstanding job as president of the United States.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
Mr. Kraft, your question to President Ford.	WALTERS	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
Uh - Mr. President, uh - uh - let me assure you then maybe some of the uh viewing audience that being on this panel hasn't been as it may seem, all torture and agony.	KRAFT	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
Uh - one of the heartening things is that uh - I and my colleagues have received uh - literally hundreds and maybe even thousands of suggested questions from ordinary citizens all across the country who want answers.	KRAFT	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
That's a tribute to their interest in this election.	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
I'll give you that.	KRAFT	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
Ahh - but, uh - let me go on, because one main subject on the minds of all of them has been the environment.	KRAFT	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
Uh - they're particularly curious about your record.	KRAFT	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
People - people really wanna know why you vetoed the strip-mining bill.	KRAFT	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
They wanna know why you worked against strong controls on auto emissions.	KRAFT	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
They wanna know why you aren't doing anything about pollution uh - of the Atlantic Ocean.	KRAFT	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
Uh - they wanna know a-a bipartisan organization such as the National League of Conservation Voters says that when it comes to environmental issues, you are - and I'm quoting - "hopeless."	KRAFT	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
Well, first, uh - let me set the record straight.	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
I vetoed the strip-mining bill, Mr. Kraft, because it was the overwhelming consensus of knowledgeable people that that strip-mining bill would have meant the loss of literally uh - thousands of jobs, something around a hundred and forty thousand jabs.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
Number two, that strip-mining bill would've severely set back our need for more coal, and Governor Carter has said repeatedly that coal is the resource that we need to use more in the effort to become independent of the uh - Arab oil supply.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
So, I vetoed it because of a loss of jobs and because it would've interfered with our energy independence program.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
The auto emissions - uh - it was agreed by Leonard Woodcock, the head of the UAW, and by the uh - heads of all of the automobile industry, we had labor and management together saying that those auto emission standards had to be modified.	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
But let's talk about what the Ford administration has done in the field of environment.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
I have increased, as president, by over 60 percent the funding for water treatment plants in the United States, the federal contribution.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
I have fully funded the land and water conservation program; in fact, have recommended and the Congress approved a substantially increased land and water conservation program.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
Uh - I have uh - added in the current year budget the funds for the National Park Service.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
For example, we uh - proposed about $12 million to add between four and five hundred more employees for the National Park Service.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
And a month or so ago I did uh - likewise say over the next ten years we should expand - double - this national parks, the wild wilderness areas, the scenic river areas.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
And then, of course, the - the final thing is that I have signed and approved of more scenic rivers, more wilderness areas, since I've been president than any other president in the history of the United States.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
Governor Carter.	WALTERS	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
Well, I might say that I think the League of Conservation Voters is absolutely right.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
This uh - administration's record on environment is very bad.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
Uh - I think it's accurate to say that the uh - strip-mining law which was passed twice by the Congress - uh - and was only like two votes I believe of being overridden - would have been good for the country.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
The claim that it would have put hundred and forty thousand miners out of work is uh - hard to believe, when at the time Mr. Ford vetoed it, the United Mine Workers was uh - supporting the bill.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
And I don't think they would have supported the uh - bill had they known that they would lose a hundred and forty thousand jobs.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
There's been a consistent policy on the part of this administration to lower or delay enforcement of air pollution standards and water pollution standards.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
And under both President Nixon and Ford, monies have been impounded that would've gone to uh - cities and others to control uh - water pollution.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
We have no energy policy.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
We, I think, are the only developed nation in the world that has no comprehensive energy policy, to permit us to plan in an orderly way how to shift from increasing the scarce uh - energy uh - forms: oil, and have research and development concentrated on the increased use of coal, which I strongly favor.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
The research and development to be used primary to make the coal burning uh - be clean.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
We need a heritage trust program, similar to the one we had in Georgia, to set aside additional lands that have uh - geological and archeological importance, uh natural areas for enjoyment.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
Uh - the lands that Mr. Ford uh - brags about having approved are in Alaska and they are enormous in uh - in size.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
But as far as the accessibility of them by the American people, it's very uh - far in the future.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
We've taken no strong position in the uh - control of pollution of our oceans, and I would say the worst uh - threat to the environment of all is nuclear proliferation.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
And this administration, having been in office now for two years or more, has still not taken strong and bold action to stop the proliferation of nuclear waste around the world, particularly plutonium.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
Those are some brief remarks about the failures of this administration.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
I would do the opposite in every respect.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
Mr. Maynard, to Governor Carter.	WALTERS	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
Governor, federal policy in this country since World War II has tended to favor the development of suburbs at the great expense of central cities.	MAYNARD	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
Does not the federal government now have an affirmative obligation to revitalize the American city?	MAYNARD	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
We have heard little in this campaign suggesting that you have an urban reconstruction program.	MAYNARD	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
Could you please outline your urban intentions for us tonight?	MAYNARD	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
Yes, I'd be glad to.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
In the first place, uh - as is the case with the environmental policy and the energy policy that I just described, and the policy for nonproliferation of uh - of nuclear waste, this administration has no urban policy.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
It's impossible for mayors or governors to cooperate with the resident, because they can't anticipate what's gonna happen next.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
A mayor of a city like New York, for instance, needs to know uh - eighteen months or two years ahead of time what responsibility the city will have in administration and in financing - in things like housing, uh - pollution control, uh - crime control, education, welfare and health.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
This has not been done, unfortunately.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
I remember the headline in the Daily News that said, "Ford to New York: Drop Dead."	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
I think it's very important that our cities know that they have a partner in the federal government.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
Quite often Congress has passed laws in the past designed to help people with uh - the ownership of homes and with the control of crime and with adequate health care and education programs and so forth.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
Uh - those uh programs were designed to help those who need it most.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
And quite often this has been in the very poor people and neighborhoods in the downtown urban centers.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
Because of the uh - great -ly- greatly uh - advantaged uh - tho- per - persons who live in the suburbs, better education, better organization, more articulate, more aware of what the laws are, quite often this money has been channeled out of the downtown centers where it's needed.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
Also I favor all revenue sharing money being used for local governments, and also to remove prohibitions in the use of revenue sharing money so that it can be used to improve education, and health care.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
We have now uh - for instance only 7 percent of the total education cost being financed by the federal government.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
When uh - the Nixon-Ford Administration started, this was 10 percent.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
That's a 30 percent reduction in the portion that the federal government contributes to education in just eight years.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
And as you know, the education cost has gone up uh - tremendously.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
The last point is that the major - uh thrust has gotta be to put people back to work.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
We've got an extraordinarily high unemployment rate among downtown urban ghetto areas, uh - particularly among the very poor and particularly among minority groups, sometimes 50 or 60 percent.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
And the concentration of employment opportunities in those areas would help greatly not only to reestablish the tax base, but also to help reduce the extraordinary welfare cost.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
One of the major responsibilities on the shoulders of uh - New York City is to - is to finance welfare.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
And I favor a shifting of the welfare cost away from the local governments altogether.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
And over a longer period of time, let the federal government begin to absorb part of it that's now paid by the state governments.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
Those things would help a great deal with the cities, but we still have a - a very serious problem there.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
President Ford.	WALTERS	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
Let me uh - speak out very strongly.	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
The Ford administration does have a very comprehensive program to help uh - our major metropolitan areas.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
I fought for, and the Congress finally went along with a general revenue sharing program, whereby cities and uh - states, uh - the cities two-thirds and the states one-third, get over six billion dollars a year in cash through which they can uh - provide many, many services, whatever they really want.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
In addition we uh - in the federal government make available to uh - cities about uh - three billion three hundred million dollars in what we call community development.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
In adesh- in addition, uh - uh - as a result of my pressure an the Congress, we got a major mass transit program uh - over a four-year period, eleven billion eight-hundred million dollars.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
We have a good housing program, uh - that uh - will result in cutting uh - the down payments by 50 percent and uh - having mortgage payments uh lower at the beginning of any mortgage period.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
We're expanding our homestead uh - housing program.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
The net result is uh - we think under Carla Hills, who's the chairman of my uh - urban development and uh - neighborhood revitalization program, we will really do a first-class job in helping uh - the communities throughout the country.	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
As a matter of fact, that committee under Secretary Hills released about a seventy-five-page report with specific recommendations so we can do a better job uh - the weeks ahead.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
And in addition, the tax program of the Ford administration, which provides an incentive for industry to move into our major uh - metropolitan areas, into the inner cities, will bring jobs where people are, and help to revitalize those cities as they can be.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
Mr. Nelson, your question next to President Ford.	WALTERS	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
Uh - Mr. President, your campaign has uh - run ads in black newspapers saying that quote, "for black Americans, President Ford is quietly getting the job done."	NELSON	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
Yet, study after study has shown little progress in desegregation and in fact actual increases in segregated schools and housing in the Northeast.	NELSON	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
Now, civil rights groups have complained repeatedly that there's been lack of progress and commitment to an integrated society uh - during your administration.	NELSON	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
So how are you getting the job done for blacks and other minorities and what programs do you have in mind for the next four years.	NELSON	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
Let me say at the outset, uh - I'm very proud of the record of this administration.	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
In the cabinet I have one of the outstanding, I think, administrators as the secretary of transportation, Bill Coleman.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
You're familiar, I'm sure, with the recognition given in the Air Force to uh - General James, and there was just uh - approved a three-star admiral, the first in the history of the United States Navy, so uh - we are giving full recognition to individuals of quality in the Ford administration in positions of great responsibility.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
In addition, uh - the Department of Justice is fully enforcing, and enforcing effectively, the Voting Rights Act, the legislation that involves jobs, housing for minorities, not only blacks but all others.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
Uh - the Department of uh - uh - HUD is enforcing the new legislation that uhh - outlaws, that takes care of redlining.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
Uh - what we're doing is saying that there are opportunities, business opportunities, educational opportunities, responsibilities uh - where people with talent, black or any other minority, can fully qualify.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
The Office of Minority Business in the Department of Commerce has made available more money in trying to help uh - black businessmen or other minority businessmen than any other administration since the office was established.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
The Office of Small Business, under Mr. Kobelinski, has a very massive program trying to help the black community.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
The individual who wants to start a business or expand his business as a black businessman is able to borrow, either directly or with guaranteed loans.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
I believe on the record that this administration has been more responsive and we have carried out the law to the letter, and I'm proud of the record.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
Governor Carter, your response, please.	WALTERS	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
The uh - description just made of this administration's record is hard to uh - recognize.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
I think it's accurate to say that Mr. Ford voted against the uh - Voting Rights Acts and the uh - Civil Rights Acts in their uh - debative stage I think once it was assured they were going to pass he finally voted for it.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
This country uh - changed drastically in 1969 when the uh - terms of John Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson were over and Richard Nixon and - and Gerald Ford became the presidents.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
There was a time when there was hope for those who uh - were poor and downtrodden and who were - uh elderly or who were - uh ill or who were in minority groups, but that time has been gone.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
I think the greatest thing that ever happened to the South was the passage of the Civil Rights Act and the opening up of opportunities - uh to black people - the chance to vote, to hold a job, to buy a house, to go to school, and to participate in public affairs.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
It not only liberated - uh black people but it also liberated the whites.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
We've seen uh - in many instances in recent years a minority affairs uh - section of uh Small Loan Administration, uh - Small Business Administration lend uh - a black entrepreneur just enough money to get started, and then to go bankrupt.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
The bankruptcies have gone up - uh in an extraordinary degree.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
Uh - FHA, which used to be a very responsible agency, uh - that everyone looked to to help own a home, lost six million dollars last year.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
There've been over thirteen hundred indictments in HUD, over eight hundred convictions relating just to home loans.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
And now the federal government has become the world's greatest slum landlord.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
We've got a 30 percent or 40 percent unemployment rate among minority uh - young people.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
And there's been no concerted effort given to the needs of those who are both poor and black, or poor and who speak a foreign language.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
And that's where there's been a great uh generation of despair, and ill health, and the lack of education, lack of purposefulness, and the lack of hope for the future.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
But it doesn't take just a quiet uh - dormant uh minimum enforcement of the law.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
It requires an aggressive searching out and reaching out to help people who especially need it.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
And that's been lacking in the last eight years.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
Mr. Kraft, to Governor Carter.	WALTERS	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
Ah - Governor Carter, ah - in the nearly two-hundred-year history of the Constitution, there've been only uh - I think it's twenty-five amendments, most of them on issues of the very broadest principle.	KRAFT	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
Uh - now we have proposed amendments in many highly specialized causes, like gun control, school busing, balanced budgets, school prayer, abortion, things like that.	KRAFT	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
Do you think it's appropriate to the dignity of the Constitution to tack on amendments in wholesale fashion?	KRAFT	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
And which of the ones that I listed - that is, uh - balanced budgets, school busing, school prayer, abortion, gun con- control - which of those would you really work hard to support if you were president?	KRAFT	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
I would not work hard to support any of those.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
Uh - we've always had, I think, a lot of constitutional amendments proposed, but the passage of them has been uh - fairly slow, and uh - few and far between.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
In the two-hundred-year history there's been a very uh - cautious approach to this.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
We - quite often we have a transient problem.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
I - I'm strongly against a- abortion.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
I think abortion's wrong.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
I don't think the government oughta do anything to encourage abortion.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
But I don't favor a constitutional amendment on the subject.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
But short of the constitutional amendment, and within the confines of the Supreme Court rulings, I'll do everything I can to minimize the need for abortions with better sex education, family planning, with better adoptive procedures.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
I personally don't believe that the federal government oughta finance abortions, but I - I draw the line and don't support a constitutional amendment.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
However, I honor the right of people who seek the constitutional amendments on school busing, on uh - prayer in the schools and an abortion.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
But among those you named, I won't actively work for the passage of any of them.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
President Ford, your response, please.	WALTERS	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
support the uh - Republican uh - platform, which calls for the constitutional amendment that would uh - outlaw abortions.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
I favor the particular constitutional amendment that would turn over to the states the uh - individual right to the voters in those states uh - the chance to make a decision by public referendum.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
Uh I call that the people amendment.	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
I think if you really believe that the people of a state ought to make a decision on a matter of this kind that uh - we ought to have a federal constitutional amendment that would permit each one of the fifty states to make the choice.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
Uh - I think this is a responsible and a proper way to proceed.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
Uhh - I believe also that uh - there is some merit to a - an amendment that uh - uh - Senator Everett Dirksen uh - proposed very frequently, an amendment that would uh - change the court decision as far as voluntary prayer in public schools.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
Uh - it seems to me that there should have - be an opportunity, uh - as long as it's voluntary, as long as there is no uh - compulsion whatsoever, that uh - an individual ought to have that right.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
So in those two cases I think uh - such uh - a constitutional amendment would be proper, and I really don't think in either case they're trivial matters.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
I think they're matters of very deep conviction, as far as many, many people in this country believe.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
And therefore, they shouldn't be treated lightly.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
But they're matters that are ah - important.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
And in those two cases, I would favor them.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
Mr. Maynard to President Ford.	WALTERS	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
Mr. President, twice you have been the intended victim of would-be assassins using handguns.	MAYNARD	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
Yet, you remain a steadfast opponent of substantive handgun control.	MAYNARD	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
There are now some forty million handguns in this country, going up at the rate of two point five million a year.	MAYNARD	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
And tragically, those handguns are frequently purchased for self-protection and wind up being used against a relative or a friend.	MAYNARD	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
In light of that, why do you remain so adamant in your opposition to substantive gun control in this country?	MAYNARD	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
Uh - Mr. Maynard, uh - the record of gun control, whether it's one city or another or in some states, does not show that the registration of a gun, handgun, or the registration of the gun owner, has in any way whatsoever decreased the crime rate or the use of that gun in the committing of a crime.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
The record just doesn't prove that such legislation or action by a local city council is effective.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
What we have to do, and this is the crux of the matter, is to make it very, very uh - difficult for a person who uses a gun in the commission of a crime to stay out of jail.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
If we make the use of a gun in the commission.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
of a crime a serious criminal offense, and that person is prosecuted, then, in my opinion, we are going after the person who uses the gun for the wrong reason.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
I don't believe in the registration of handguns or the registration of the handgun owner.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
That has not proven to be effective, and therefore, I think the better way is to go after the criminal, the individual who commits a crime in the possession of a gun and uses that gun for a part of his criminal activity.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
Those are the people who ought to be in jail.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
And the only way to do it is to pass strong legislation so that once apprehended, indicted, convicted, they'll be in jail and off the streets and not using guns in the commission of a crime.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
But Mr. President, don't you think that the proliferation of the availability of handguns contributes to the possibility of those crimes being committed.	MAYNARD	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
And, there's a second part to my follow-up, very quickly.	MAYNARD	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
There are, as you know and as you've said, jurisdictions around the country with strong gun-control laws.	MAYNARD	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
The police officials in those cities contend that if there were a national law, to prevent other jurisdictions from providing the weapons that then came into places like New York, that they might have a better handle on the problem.	MAYNARD	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
Have you considered that in your analysis of the gu- the handgun proliferation problem?	MAYNARD	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
Yes, I have.	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
And uh - the individuals that uh - with whom I've consulted have not uh - convinced me that uh - a national registration of handguns or handgun owners will solve the problem you're talking about.	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
The person who wants to use a gun for an illegal purpose can get it whether it's registered or outlawed.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
They will be obtained.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
And they are the people who ought to go behind bars.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
You should not in the process penalize the legitimate handgun owner.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
And when you go through the process of registration, you in effect, are penalizing that individual who uses his gun for a very legitimate purpose.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
Governor Carter.	WALTERS	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
I - I think it's accurate to say that Mr. Ford's position on gun control has changed.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
Uh - earlier, uh - Mr. Levi, his uh - attorney general, put forward a gun control proposal, which Mr. Ford later, I believe, espoused, that called for the prohibition against the uh sale aw- of the uh - so-called Saturday Night Specials.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
And it would've put uh - very strict uh - uh - control over who owned a handgun.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
I have been a hunter all my life and happen to own both shotguns, rifles, and a handgun.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
And uh - the only purpose that I would see in registering uh - handguns and not long guns of any kind would be to prohibit the uh - ownership of those guns by those who've used them in the commission of a crime, or who uh - have been proven to be mentally incompetent to own a gun.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
I believe that limited approach to the - to the question would be uh - advisable, and - and I think, adequate.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
But that's as far as I would go with it.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
Mr. Nelson to Governor Carter.	WALTERS	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
Uh Governor, you've said the uh - Supreme Court of today is, uh - as you put it, moving back in a proper direction uh - in rulings that have limited the rights of criminal defendants.	NELSON	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
And you've compared the present Supreme Court under Chief Justice Burger very favorably with the more liberal court that we had under Chief Justice Warren.	NELSON	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
So exactly what are you getting at, and can you elaborate on the kind of court you think this country should have?	NELSON	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
And can you tell us the kind of qualifications and philosophy you would look for as president in making Supreme Court appointments?	NELSON	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
While I was governor of Georgia, although I'm not a lawyer, we had complete reform of the Georgia court system.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
We uh - streamlined the structure of the court, put in administrative officers, put a unified court system in, required that all uh - severe sentences be reviewed far uniformity.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
And, in addition to that put forward a proposal that was adopted and used throughout my own term of office of selection of - for all judges and district attorneys or prosecuting attorneys, on the basis of merit.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
Every time I had a vacancy on the Georgia Supreme Court - and I filled five of those vacancies out of seven total and about half the court of appeals judges, about 35 percent of the trial judges - I was given from an objective panel the five most highly qualified persons in Georgia.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
And from those five, I always chose the first one or second one.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
So merit selection of judges is the most important single criterion.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
And I would institute the same kind of procedure as president, not only in judicial appointments, but also in diplomatic appointments.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
Secondly, I think that the Burger Court has fairly well confirmed the major and - and most far-reaching and most controversial decisions of the Warren Court.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
Civil rights - uh has been confirmed by the Burger Court, hasn't been uh - reversed, and I don't think there's any inclination to reverse those basic decisions.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
The one-man, one-vote rule, which is a very important one that uh - s- struck down the unwarranted influence in the legislature of parsley - uh populated areas of - of the states.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
The uh - right of indigent or very poor accused persons to uh - legal counsel.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
Uh - I think the Burger Court has confirmed that basic and very controversial decision of the Warren Court.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
Also the - the protection of an arrested person against unwarranted persecution in trying to get a false uh - confession.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
But now I think there have been a couple of instances where the Burger Court has made technical rulings where an obviously guilty person was later found to be guilty.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
And I think that in that case uh - some of the more liberal uh - members of the uh - so-called Warren Court agreed with those decisions.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
But the only uh - thing I uh - have pointed out was, what I've just said, and that there was a need to clarify the technicalities so that you couldn't be forced to release a person who was obviously guilty just because of a - of a small technicality in the law.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
And - and that's a reversal of position uh by the Burger Court with which I do agree.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
Governor, I don't believe you ans- you answered my question though about the kinds of uh people you would be looking for the court, the type of philosophy uh - you would be looking for if you were making appointments to the Supreme Court as president.	NELSON	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
Okay, I thought I answered it by saying that it would be on the basis of merit.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
Once the uh - search and analysis procedure had been completed, and once I'm given a list of the five or seven or ten uh - best qualified persons in the country, I would make a selection from among those uh - persons.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
If the uh - list was, uh - in my opinion, fairly uniform, if there was no outstanding person, then I would undoubtedly choose someone who would most accurately reflect my own basic politi- political philosophy as best I could determine it.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
Which would be uh - to continue the progress that has been made under the last two uh - courts - the Warren Court and the Burger Court.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
I would also like to uh - completely revise our criminal justice system - to do some of the things at the federal level in court reform that I've just described, as has been done in Georgia and other states.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
And then I would like to appoint people who would be interested in helping with that.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
I know that uh Chief Justice Burger is.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
He hasn't had help from the administration, from the Congress, to carry this out.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
The uh - emphasis, I think, of the - of the court system uh - should be to interpret the uh - the Constitution and the laws uh - equally between property protection and personal protection.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
But when there's uh - a very narrow decision - which quite often there's one that reaches the Supreme Court - I think the choice should be with human rights.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
And uh - that would be another factor that I would follow.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
President Ford.	WALTERS	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
Well, I think the answer uh - as to the kind of person that I would select uh - is obvious.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
I had one opportunity to nominate uh - an individual to the Supreme Court and I selected the Circuit Court of Appeals judge from Illinois, uh - John Paul Stevens.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
I selected him because of his outstanding record as a Circuit Court of Appeals Judge, and I was very pleased that uh - an overwhelming Democratic United States Senate, after going into his background, came to the conclusion that he was uh - fit and should serve, and the vote in his behalf was overwhelming.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
So, I would say somebody in the format of uh - Justice Stevens would be the kind of an individual that I would uh - select in the future, as I did him in the past.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
I uh - believe, however, a comment ought to be made about the direction of the uh - Burger Court, vis-a-vis the uh - court uh - that preceded it.	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
It seems to me that the Miranda case was a case that really made it very, very difficult for the - uh police, the law enforcement people in this country to uh - do what they could to make certain that the victim of a crime was protected and that those that commit crimes uh - were properly handled and uh - sent to jail.	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
The Miranda case, uh - the Burger Court uh - is gradually changing, and I'm pleased to see that there are some steps being made by the uh - Burger Court to modify the so-called Miranda decision.	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
Uh - I might make a correction uh - of what uh - Governor Carter said, uh speaking of uh - uh - gun control, uh - yes, it is true, I believe that the sale of uh - Saturday Night S- Specials should be cut out, but he wants the registration of handguns.	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
Mr. Kraft.	WALTERS	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
Uh - Mr. President, uh - the country is now uh - in uh - in something that your uh - advisors call an economic pause.	KRAFT	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
I think to most Americans that sounds like a - a antiseptic term for uh - low growth, uh - unemployment standstill at a high, high level, uhh - decline in take-home pay, uh - lower factory earnings, more layoffs.	KRAFT	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
Uh, isn't that a really rotten record and doesn't your administration bear most of the blame for it?	KRAFT	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
Well, Mr. Kraft, uh - I violently disagree with your assessment.	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
And I don't think the record justifies the conclusion that you come to.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
Uh - let me uh - talk about uh - the economic announcements that were made just this past week.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
Yes, it was announced that the uh - GNP real growth in the third quarter was at 4 percent.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
But do you realize that over the last ten years that's a higher figure than the average growth during that ten-year period?	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
Now it's lower than the nine-point-point-two percent growth in the first quarter, and it's lower than the uh 5 percent growth in the second quarter.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
But every economist - liberal, conservative that I'm familiar with - recognizes that in the fourth quarter of this year and in the fifth quar- uh - the first quarter of next year that we'll have an increase in real GNP.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
But now let's talk about the pluses that came out this week.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
We had an 18 percent increase in housing starts.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
We had a substantial increase in new permits for housing.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
As a matter of fact, based on the announcement this week, there will be at an annual rate of a million, eight hundred and some thousand new houses built, which is a tremendous increase over last year and a substantial increase over the earlier part of this year.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
Now in addition, we had a very - some very good news in the reduction in the rate of inflation.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
And inflation hits everybody: those who are working and those who are on welfare.	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
The rate of inflation, as announced just the other day, is under 5 percent; and the uh - 4.4 percent that was indicated at the time of the 4 percent GNP was less than the 5.4 percent.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
It means that the American buyer is getting a better bargain today because inflation is less.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
Mr. President, let me ask you this.	KRAFT	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
Uh - there has been an increase in layoffs and that's something that bothers everybody because even people that have a job are afraid that they're going to be fired.	KRAFT	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
Did you predict that layoff, uh - that increase in layoffs?	KRAFT	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
Didn't that take you by surprise?	KRAFT	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
Hasn't the gov- hasn't your administration been surprised by this pause?	KRAFT	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
Uh - in fact, haven't you not - haven't you been so obsessed with saving money uh - that you didn't even push the government to spend funds that were allocated?	KRAFT	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
MR. FORD; Uh Mr. Kraft, uh - I think the record can be put in this uh - in this way, which uh - is the way that I think satisfies most Americans.	KRAFT	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
Since the depths of the recession, we have added four million jobs.	KRAFT	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
Im- most importantly, consumer confidence as surveyed by the reputable organization at the University of Michigan is at the highest since 1972.	KRAFT	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
In other words, there is a growing public confidence in the strength of this economy.	KRAFT	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
And that means that there will be more industrial activity.	KRAFT	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
It means that there will be a reduction in the uhh - unemployment.	KRAFT	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
It means that there will be increased hires.	KRAFT	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
It means that there will be increased employment.	KRAFT	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
Now we've had this pause, but most economists, regardless of their political philosophy, uh - indicate that this pause for a month or two was healthy, because we could not have honestly sustained a 9.2 percent rate of growth which we had in the first quarter of this year.	KRAFT	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
Now, uh - I'd like to point out as well that the United States' economic recovery from the recession of a year ago is well ahead of the economic recovery of any major free industrial nation in the world today.	KRAFT	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
We're ahead of all of the Western European country.	KRAFT	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
We're ahead of Japan.	KRAFT	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
The United States is leading the free world out of the recession that was serious a year, year and a half ago.	KRAFT	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
We're going to see unemployment going down, more jobs available, and the rate of inflation going down.	KRAFT	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
And I think this is a record that uh - the American people understand and will appreciate.	KRAFT	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
Governor Carter.	WALTERS	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
With all due respect to President Ford, I think he ought to be ashamed of mentioning that statement, because we have the highest unemployment rate now than we had at any time between the Great Depression caused by Herbert Hoover and the time President Ford took office.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
We've got seven and a half million people out of jobs.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
Since he's been in office, two and a half million more American people have lost their jobs.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
In the last four months alone, five hundred thousand Americans have gone on the unemployment roll.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
In the last month, we've had a net loss of one hundred and sixty-three thousand jobs.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
Anybody who says that the inflation rate is in good shape now ought to talk to the housewives.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
One of the overwhelming results that I've seen in the polls is that people feel that you can't plan anymore.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
There's no way to make a prediction that my family might be able to own a home or to put my kid through college.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
Savings accounts are losing money instead of gaining money.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
Inflation is robbing us.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
Under the present administration - Nixon's and Ford's - we've had three times the inflation rate that we experienced under President Johnson and President Kennedy.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
The economic growth is less than half today what it was at the beginning of this year.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
And housing starts - he compares the housing starts with last year.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
I don't blame him, because in 1975 we had fewer housing starts in this country, fewer homes built, than any year since 1940.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
That's thirty-five years.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
And we've got a 35 percent unemployment rate in many areas of this country among construction workers.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
And Mr. Ford hasn't done anything about it.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
And I think this shows a callous indifference to the families that have suffered so much.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
He has vetoed bills passed by Congress within the congressional budget guidelines job opportunities for two million Americans.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
We'll never have a balanced budget, we'll never meet the needs of our people, we'll never control the inflationary spiral, as long as we have seven and a half or eight million people out of work, who are looking for jobs.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
And we've probably got two and a half more million people who are not looking for jobs any more, because they've given up hope.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
That is a very serious indictment of this administration.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
It's probably the worst one of all.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
Mr. Maynard.	WALTERS	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
Governor Carter, you entered this race against President Ford with a twenty-point lead or better in the polls.	MAYNARD	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
And now it appears that this campaign is headed for a photo finish.	MAYNARD	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
You've said how difficult it is to run against a sitting president.	MAYNARD	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
But Mr. Ford was just as much an incumbent in July when you were twenty points ahead as he is now.	MAYNARD	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
Can you tell us what caused the evaporation of that lead in your opinion?	MAYNARD	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
Well, that's not exactly an accurate description of what happened.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
When I was that far ahead, it was immediately following the Democratic Convention, and before the Republican Convention.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
At that time, uh - 25 or 30 percent of the Reagan supporters said that they would not support President Ford.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
But as occurred at the end of the con- Democratic Convention, the Republican Party unified itself.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
And I think immediately following the Republican Convention, there was about a ten-point spread.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
I believe that to be accurate, I had 49 percent; President Ford, 39 percent.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
Uh - the polls uh - are good indications of fluctuations, but they vary widely one from another.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
And the only poll I've ever followed is the one that uh - you know, is taken on election day.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
I was in uh - thirty primaries in the spring, and uh - at first it was obvious that I didn't have any standing in the poll.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
As a matter of fact, I think when Gallup ran their first poll in December of 1975 they didn't put my name on the list.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
They had thirty-five people on the list.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
My name wasn't even there.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
And at the beginning of the year I had about 2 percent.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
So the polls to me are interesting, but they don't determine, you know, my hopes or - or my despair.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
I campaign among people.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
I've never depended on powerful political figures to put me in office.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
I have a direct relationship with hundreds of people around - hundreds of thousands around the country who actively campaign for me.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
In Georgia alone, for instance, I got 84 percent of the vote, and I think there were fourteen people uh - in addition to myself on the ballot, and Governor Wallace had been very strong in Georgia.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
That's an overwhelming support from my own people who know me best.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
And today, we have about five hundred Georgians at their own expense - just working people who believe in me - spread around the country uh - involved in the political campaign.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
So, the polls are interesting, but uh - I don't know how to explain the fluctuation.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
I think a lot of it uh - depends on current events - uh - sometimes foreign affairs, sometimes domestic affairs.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
But I think our hold uh - of support among those who uh - are crucial to the election has been fairly steady.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
And my success in the primary season was, I think, notable for a newcomer, from someone who's from outside Washington, who - who never has been a part of the Washington establishment.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
And I think that we'll have good results uh - on November the second for myself and I hope for the country.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
President Ford, your response.	WALTERS	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
I think uh - the uh - increase and the uh - prospects as far as I'm concerned and the I - less favorable prospects for Governor Carter, reflect that Governor Carter uh - is inconsistent in many of the positions that he takes.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
He tends to distort on a number of occasions.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
Uh - just a moment ago, for example, uh - he uh - was indicating that uh - uh - in the 1950s, for example, uh - unemployment was very low.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
He fails to point out that uh - in the 1950s we were engaged in the war in Vietnam.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
We - I mean in Korea - we had uh - three million five hundred thousand young men uh - in the Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
That's not the way to end unemployment or to reduce unemployment.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
At the present time we're at peace.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
We have reduced the number of people in the Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines from three million, one hundred - three million, five hundred thousand to two mil- lion one hundred thousand.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
We are not at war.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
We have reduced the military manpower by a million four hundred thousand.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
If we had that many more people in the Army, the Navy, the Air Force, and Marines, our unemployment figure would be considerably less.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
But this administration doesn't believe the way to reduce unemployment is to go to war, or to increase the number of people in the military.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
So you cannot compare unemployment, as you sought to, uh - with the present time with the 1950s, because the then administration had people in the military - they were at war, they were fighting overseas, and this administration has reduced the size of the military by a million four hundred thousand.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
They're in the civilian labor market and they're not fighting anywhere around the world today.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
Thank you, gentlemen.	WALTERS	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
This will complete our questioning for this debate.	WALTERS	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
We don't have uh - time for more questions and uh - full answers.	WALTERS	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
So now each candidate will be allowed up to four minutes for a closing statement.	WALTERS	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
And at the original coin toss in Philadelphia a month ago it was determined that President Ford would make the first closing statement tonight.	WALTERS	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
President Ford.	WALTERS	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
For twenty-five years I served in the Congress under five presidents.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
I saw them work, I saw them make very hard decisions.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
I didn't always agree with their decisions, whether they were Democratic or Republican presidents.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
For the last two years, I've been the president, and I have found from experience that it's much more difficult to make those decisions than it is to second-guess them.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
I became president at the time that the United States was in a very troubled time.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
We had inflation of over 12 percent, we were on the brink of the worst recession in the last forty years, we were still deeply involved in the problems of Vietnam.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
The American people had lost faith and trust and confidence in the presidency itself.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
That uh - situation called for me to first put the United States on a steady course and to keep our keel well balanced, because we had to face the difficult problems that had all of a sudden hit America.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
I think most people know that I did not seek the presidency.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
But I am asking for your help and assistance to be president for the next four years.	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
During this campaign we've seen a lot of television shows, a lot of bumper stickers, and a great many uh - slogans of one kind or another.	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
But those are not the things that count.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
What counts is, that the United States celebrated its 200th birthday on July fourth.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
As a result of that wonderful experience all over the United States, there is a new spirit in America.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
The American people are healed, are working together.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
The American people are moving again, and moving in the right direction.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
We have cut inflation by better than half.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
We have came out of the recession and we're well on the road to real prosperity in this country again.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
There has been a restoration of faith and confidence and trust in the presidency because I've been open, candid and forthright.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
I have never promised more than I could produce and I have produced everything that I promised.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
We are at peace.	Gerald R. Ford	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
Not a single young American is fighting or dying on any foreign soil tonight.	Gerald R. Ford	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
We have peace with freedom.	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
I've been proud to be president of the United States during these very troubled times.	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
I love America just as all of you love America.	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
It would be the highest honor for me to have your support on November second and for you to say, "Jerry Ford, you've done a good job, keep on doing it."	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
Thank you, and good night.	Gerald R. Ford	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
Thank you President Ford.	WALTERS	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
Governor Carter.	WALTERS	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
Thank you Barbara (barely audible).	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
The major purpose of an election for president is to choose a leader.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
Someone who can analyze the depths of feeling in our country to set a standard for our people to follow, to inspire our people to reach for greatness, to correct our defects, to answer difficult questions, to bind ourselves together in a spirit of unity.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
I don't believe the present administration has done that.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
We have been discouraged and we've been alienated.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
Sometimes we've been embarrassed and sometimes we've been ashamed.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
Our people are out of work, and there's a sense of withdrawal.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
But our country is innately very strong.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
Mr. Ford is a good and decent man, but he's in - been in office now more than eight hundred days approaching almost as long as John Kennedy was in office.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
I'd like to ask the American people what, what's been accomplished.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
A lot remains to be done.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
My own background is different from his.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
I was a school board member, and a library board member.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
I served an a hospital authority.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
And I was in the state senate and I was governor and I'm an engineer, a Naval officer, a farmer, a businessman.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
And I believe we require someone who can work harmoniously with the Congress, who can work closely with the people of this country, and who can bring a new image and a new spirit to Washington.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
Our tax structure is a disgrace, it needs to be reformed.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
I was Governor of Georgia for four years.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
We never increased sales taxes or income tax or property tax.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
As a matter of fact, the year before I went out of office we gave a $50 million refund to the property taxpayers of Georgia.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
We spend six hundred dollars per person in this country - every man, woman and child - for health care.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
We still rank fifteenth among all the nations of the world in infant mortality.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
And our cancer rate is uh - higher than any country in the world.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
We don't have good health care.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
We could have it.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
Employment ought to be restored to our people.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
We've become almost a welfare state.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
We spend now 700 percent more on unemployment compensation than we did eight years ago when the Republicans took over the White House.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
Our people wanna go back to work.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
Our education system can be improved.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
Secrecy ought to be stripped away from government and a maximum of personal privacy ought to be maintained.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
Our housing programs have uh - gone bad.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
It used to be that the average - uh family could own a house.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
But now less than a third of our people can afford to buy their own homes.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
The budget was more grossly out of balance last year than ever before in the history of our country - $65 billion - primarily because our people are not at work.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
Inflation is robbing us, as we've already discussed, and the government bureaucracy is uh - just a horrible mess.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
This doesn't have to be.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
Now I don't know all the answers.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
Nobody could.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
But I do know that if the president of the United States and the Congress of the United States and the people of the United States said, "I believe our nation is greater than what we are now."	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
I believe that if we are inspired, if we can achieve a degree of unity, if we can set our goals high enough and work toward recognized goals with industry and labor and agriculture along with government at all levels, then we can achieve great things.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
We might have to do it slowly.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
There are no magic answers to do it.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
But I believe together we can make great progress.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
We can correct our difficult mistakes and answer those very tough questions.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
I believe in the greatness of our country, and I believe the American people are ready for a change in Washington.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
We've been drifting too long.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
We've been dormant too long.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
We've been discouraged too long.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
And we have not set an example for our own people.	Jimmy E. Carter	Premise	1976	22 Oct 1976
But I believe that we can now establish in the White House a good relationship with Congress, a good relationship with our people, set very high goals for our country.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
And with inspiration and hard work we can achieve great things.	Jimmy E. Carter	Claim	1976	22 Oct 1976
And let the world know - that's very important.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
But more importantly, let the people in our own country realize that we still live in the greatest nation on earth.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	22 Oct 1976
Thank you very much.	Jimmy E. Carter	O	1976	22 Oct 1976