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Arguments Table
| Speech | Name | Component | Year | Date |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| On behalf of the Commission on Presidential Debates, I am pleased to welcome you to this Vice Presidential debate. | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| I'm Judy Woodruff of PBS' MacNeil-Lehrer News Hour and Frontline. | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| My colleagues on the panel are: John Margolis of the Chicago Tribune; Tom Brokaw of NBC NEWS; and Brit Hume of ABC NEWS. | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| The importance of tonight's debate is underscored by two facts. | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Both George Bush and Michael Dukakis said their selections of a running mate would reveal a lot about themselves. | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And based on the history since World War II, there is almost a 50-50 chance that one of the two men here tonight will become President of the United States. | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| The candidates are Senator Dan Quayle, the Republican nominee, and Senator Lloyd Bentsen, the Democratic nominee. | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| (Applause) | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| For the next 90 minutes we will be questioning the candidates following a format designed and agreed to by representatives of the two campaigns. | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| However, there are no restrictions on the questions that my colleagues and I may ask this evening. | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| By prior agreement between the two candidates, the first question goes to Senator Quayle, and you have two minutes to respond. | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Senator, you have been criticized, as we all know, for your decision to stay out of the Vietnam War, for your poor academic record. | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| But more troubling to some are some of the comments that have been made by people in your own party. | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Just last week former Secretary of State Haig said that your pick was the dumbest call George Bush could have made. | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Your leader in the Senate. | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| (Applause) | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Your leader in the Senate Bob Dole said that a better qualified person could have been chosen. | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Other Republicans have been far more critical in private. | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Why do you think that you have not made a more substantial impression on some of these people who have been able to observe you up close? | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| The question goes to whether I am qualified to be Vice President, and in the case of a tragedy, whether I'm qualified to be President. | James D. Quayle | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Qualifications for the office of Vice President or President are not age alone. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| You must look at accomplishments, and you must look at experience. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| I have more experience than others that have sought the office of Vice President. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Now let's look at qualifications, and let's look at the three biggest issues that are going to be confronting America in the next presidency. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Those three issues are national security and arms control; jobs and education; and the Federal budget deficit. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| On each one of those issues I have more experience than does the Governor of Massachusetts. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| In national security and arms control, you have to understand the difference between a ballistic missile, a warhead, what throwweight, what megatonnage is. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| You better understand about telemetry and encryption. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And you better understand that you have to negotiate from a position of strength. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| These are important issues, because we want to have more arms control and arms reductions. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| In the area of jobs and education, I wrote the Job Training Partnership Act, a bipartisan bill, a bill that has trained and employed over three million economically disadvantaged youth and adults in this country. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| On the area of the Federal budget deficit, I have worked eight years on the Senate Budget Committee. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And I wish that the Congress would give us the line item veto to help deal with that. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And if qualifications alone are going to be the issue in this campaign, George Bush has more qualifications than Michael Dukakis and Lloyd Bentsen combined. | James D. Quayle | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| (Applause) | James D. Quayle | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Senator Bentsen - I'm going to interrupt at this point and ask once again that the audience please keep your responses as quiet as possible. | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| We know that many of you here are for one candidate or another. | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| But you are simply taking time away from your candidate, and more likely than not, you'll be causing the partisans for the other candidate to react again when their candidate speaks. | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| So please. | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Senator Bentsen, you have one minute to respond. | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| This debate tonight is not about the qualifications for the Vice Presidency. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| The debate is whether or not Dan Quayle and Lloyd Bentsen are qualified to be President of the United States. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Because Judy, just as you have said, that has happened too often in the past. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And if that tragedy should occur, we have to step in there without any margin for error, without time for preparation, to take over the responsibility for the biggest job in the world, that of running this great country of ours; to take over the awesome responsibility for commanding the nuclear weaponry that this country has. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| No, the debate tonight is a debate about the presidency itself, and a presidential decision that has to be made by you. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| The stakes could not be higher. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Senator Bentsen, a question for you, and you also have two minutes to respond. | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| What bothers people is not so much your qualifications but your split on policy with Gov. | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Dukakis. | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| He has said that he does not want a clone of himself, but you disagree with him on some major issues: aid to the Nicaraguan Contras; the death penalty; gun control; among others. | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| If you had to step into the presidency, whose agenda would you pursue, yours or his? | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Well, I am delighted to respond to that question, because we agree on so many things and the vast majority of the issues. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| We agree on the fact that we have to cut this deficit. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And Gov. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Dukakis has been able to cut that deficit ten budgets in a row in the State of Massachusetts, while he lowered the tax burden on their people from one of the highest to one of the lower in the United States. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| That is a major sense of achievement. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And I admire that. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And I'm just delighted to be on the ticket with him. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Gov. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | NaN | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Dukakis and I agreed that we ought to have a trade policy for this country; that we've seen this Administration more than double the national debt, that; they've moved this country from the number one lender nation in the world to the number one debtor nation in the world under their Administration; that they have not had a trade policy; that they have let trade be a handmaiden for their foreign policy objectives of the country; that this country has exported too many jobs and not enough products. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And as I worked to pass a trade bill through the United States Senate, they threw roadblocks in the way every step of the way. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| But we passed a trade bill that has this premise, that any country that has full access to our markets, we're entitled to full access to their markets. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Now, that means that we're going to stand tough for America, and we're going to protect those jobs, and we're going to push American products, and we're going to open up markets around the world. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| We'll show leadership in that respect, and turn this deficit and trade around. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| That's the sort of thing that Michael Dukakis and I will do to bring about a better America for all our people. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Senator Quayle, a minute to respond. | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| As you notice, Senator Bentsen didn't tell you very much about what Gov. | James D. Quayle | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Dukakis would do - Gov. | James D. Quayle | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Dukakis, one of the most liberal governors in the United States of America The one thing he tried to point out about Gov. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Dukakis is that he's cut taxes. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| The fact of the matter is, Senator Bentsen, he's raised taxes five times. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| He just raised taxes this past year. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And that's why a lot of people refer to him as Tax-hike Mike. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| That's why they refer to the State of Massachusetts as Taxachusetts. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Because every time there's a problem, the liberal governor from Massachusetts raises taxes. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| I don't blame Senator Bentsen for not talking about Gov. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Michael Dukakis. | James D. Quayle | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| He's talking more about his record. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| If I had to defend the liberal policies of Gov. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Michael Dukakis, I wouldn't talk about it either. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| John Margolis, a question for Senator Bentsen. | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Senator Bentsen, you have claimed that Vice President Bush and the Republicans will raid the Social Security Trust Fund, and you have vowed to protect it. | MARGOLIS | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| But as Chairman of the Senate Finance Committee, you must know that there is something to the argument of your fellow Democrat Bob Strauss that some restraint on Social Security growth may be needed, or at least some decision to tax most Social Security benefits as regular income. | MARGOLIS | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| In fact, you once voted for and spoke for a six-month delay on cost of living adjustment increases for Social Security. | MARGOLIS | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Senator, aren't you and Gov. | MARGOLIS | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Dukakis using this issue politically, rather than dealing with it responsibly? | MARGOLIS | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Well, I must say I hate to disappoint my good friend Bob Strauss, but we have a contract with the American people on Social Security. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And Social Security is an issue where Senator Quayle voted eight times to cut the benefits on Social Security, where this administration came in and tried to cut the benefits, the minimum benefits, $122 a month for widows, for retirees, tried to cut the benefits for 62-year-old retirees by 40 percent, tried to do an end run on Social Security when they first came in after promising not to cut it - to cut it by some 20 billion, and while we were working together to reform the Social Security system and to be certain that that money was going to be there for people when they retired. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| At that point they tried a $40-billion end run to cut Social Security. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Now, the record is clear. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And we saw Vice President Bush fly back from the west coast to break a tie in the United States Senate. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| He doesn't get to vote very often in the Senate, but he made a special trip to come back and vote against a cost-of-living increase. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Now, when you talk about Social Security, the people that are going to protect it are the Democrats that brought forth that program. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And I think it's very important that we not see these kinds of end runs by this administration. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| When they talk about the fact that they are going to continue to cut this budget, I know too well what their rack record is. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And we should be concerned with that kind of an effort once again after the election is over. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Senator Quayle, your response? | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Senator Bentsen, you know that I did not vote to cut Social Security benefits eight times. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| What I have voted for and what Senator Bentsen has voted for is to delay the cost-of-living adjustments. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Senator Bentsen two times in the United States Senate voted to delay the cost-of-living adjustments. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| The governor of Massachusetts at a governors' conference supported a resolution to delay the cost-of-living adjustment. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And, John, you are right: they use this for political advantage. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| What they try to do time and time again is to scare the old people of this country. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| That's the politics of the past. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| In 1983 Republicans and Democrats dropped their political swords and in a bipartisan effort saved the Social Security system. | James D. Quayle | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Republicans and Democrats banded together because we know that this program is not a Republican program, it's not a Democrat program - it's a program for older Americans. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And that program is actuarially sound to the turn of this century. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| John, a question for Senator Quayle. | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Senator, since coming to the Senate you have voted against environmental protection legislation about two-thirds of the time. | MARGOLIS | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| This includes votes against pesticide controls, the toxic waste superfund, and health and safety protection from nuclear wastes. | MARGOLIS | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Senator, do you consider yourself an environmentalist, and, if you do, how do you reconcile that with your voting record? | MARGOLIS | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| I have a very strong record on the environment in the United States Senate. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| (Laughter) I have a record where I voted for the superfund legislation. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| I have a record where I voted against my president on the override of the Clean Water Act. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| I have voted for the major pieces of environmental legislation that have come down and been voted on in the United States Senate. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| This administration - and I support this administration and its environmental efforts - has moved in the area for the first time to deal with the ozone problem. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| We now have an international treaty, the treaty that is commonly referred to as the Montreal Treaty. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| For the first time we are talking about the impact of CO2 to the ozone layer. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| That's progress with the environment. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| We are committed to the environment. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| I take my children hiking and fishing, walking in the woods, in the wilderness. | James D. Quayle | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Believe me, we have a commit to preserving the environment. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| You bring up the environment, you can't help but think about the environmental policy of the governor of Massachusetts. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| He talks about being an environmentalist. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Let me tell you about his environmental policy. | James D. Quayle | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| The Boston Harbor - the Boston Harbor, which is the dirtiest waterway in America, tons of raw sewage go in there each and every day. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| What has the governor of Massachusetts done about that? | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Virtually nothing. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And then he has the audacity to go down to New Jersey and tell the people of New Jersey that he's against ocean dumping. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| This is the same governor that applied for a license to dump Massachusetts sewage waste off the coast of New Jersey. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Who has the environmental record? | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Who has the environmental interest? | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| George Bush and I do. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Senator Bentsen. | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| This late conversion is interesting to me. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| (Laughter and applause) I must say, when they talk about Boston Harbor and he says he hasn't done anything, the facts are he has a $6-billion program under way on waste treatment. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And it was this administration, their administration, that cut out the money early on to be able to clean up water, and made it impossible to move ahead at that time on Boston Harbor. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| We are the authors, the Democratic Party, of Clean Air, of Clean Water, of the superfund. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| I am one who played a very major role in passing the superfund legislation. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And every environmental organization that I know, every major one, has now endorsed the Dukakis-Bentsen ticket. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And I am one who has just received the environmental award in Texas for the work I've done to clean up the bays, to clean up the water, off the coast of Texas. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| No, I think we know well who's going to help clean up this environment. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| The record is there, the history is there. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And Dukakis and Bentsen will be committed to that. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| (Applause) | Lloyd M. Bentsen | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Tom Brokaw, a question for Senator Quayle. | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Thank you, Judy. | Tom Brokaw | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Senator Quayle, there's been a lot of talk during the course of this campaign about family. | Tom Brokaw | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| It was a principal theme, as I recall, in your acceptance speech in New Orleans. | Tom Brokaw | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Tonight I'd like to ask you about the sixty-five million American children who live with their families in poverty. | Tom Brokaw | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| I'd like for you to describe to the audience the last time that you may have visited with one of those families personally and how you explain to that family your votes against the school breakfast program, the school lunch program, and the expansion of the child immunization program. | Tom Brokaw | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| (Applause) | Tom Brokaw | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| I have met with those people, and I met with them in Fort Wayne, Indiana, at a food bank. | James D. Quayle | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| You may be surprised, Tom, they didn't ask me those questions on those votes, because they were glad that I took time out of my schedule to go down and to talk about how we are going to get a food bank going and making sure that a food bank goes in Fort Wayne, Indiana. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And I have a very good record and a commitment to the poor, to those that don't have a family, that want to have a family. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| This administration, and a George Bush administration, will be committed to eradicating poverty. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Poverty hasn't gone up in this administration; it hasn't gone down much either, and that means we have a challenge ahead of us. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| But let me tell you something, what we have done for the poor. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| What we have done for the poor is that we in fact - the homeless bill, the McKinney Act, which is the major piece of legislation that deals with homeless - the Congress has cut the funding that the administration has recommended. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| The poor and the poverty - the biggest thing that we have done for poverty in America is the Tax Simplification Act of 1986: six million working poor families got off the payroll; six million people are off the taxpaying payrolls because of that tax reform, and they are keeping the tax money there. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| To help the poor, we'll have a commitment to the programs and those programs will go on. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And we are spending more in poverty programs today than we were in 1981 - that is a fact. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| The poverty program we are going to concentrate on is creating jobs and opportunities, so that everyone will have the opportunities that they want.] | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| (Scattered applause) | James D. Quayle | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Senator Bentsen, your response. | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| I find that very interesting, because he has been of no help at all when it comes to passing the most major welfare reform bill in the history of our country, one where we are working very hard to see that people can get off welfare, break that cycle, take a step up in life, doing the kinds of things that we did there to let them have Medicaid for a year. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| That's a positive thing that's done. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| What also frustrates me with the kind of report that I have just heard here is the kind of votes that he has cast against child nutrition programs, the fact that he has voted against money that we needed for further immunization, the denial of polio shots to kids where the parents couldn't afford to get that kind of a shot. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Now, I don't really believe that that is identifying with the concerns of people in poverty. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Tom, a question for Senator Bentsen. | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Senator Bentsen, I'd like to take you back to the question that Judy asked you about your differences with Michael Dukakis on contra aid. | Tom Brokaw | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| After all, the contra aid is one of the cutting issues of foreign policy of this country in the last eight years. | Tom Brokaw | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| You and Michael Dukakis seem to be diametrically opposed on that. | Tom Brokaw | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| 1 have been told that in a closed session of the U.S. Senate you made one of the most eloquent and statesmanlike speeches in behalf of contra aid that anyone had made in the eight years of the Reagan term, that in fact you alluded to the threat that the Sandinista regime could pose to your own state of Texas. | Tom Brokaw | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Governor Dukakis, on the other hand, has described the contra aid policy as immoral and illegal. | Tom Brokaw | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Is he wrong? | Tom Brokaw | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| (Scattered applause) | Tom Brokaw | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Gov. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Dukakis and I have disagreed on the contra program; no question about that. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| But my big difference with this Administration is, they look at the contra aid program as the only way to resolve that problem. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| They concentrate on that. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And I really think we have to give peace a chance. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And that's why I have been a strong supporter of the Arias plan, a plan that won the Nobel Prize for President Arias, the President of Costa Rica. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| I believe you have to work with the leaders of those other Central American countries to try to bring about the democratization of Nicaragua - by negotiation, by pressure, by counseling, by diplomatic pressure, that we ought to be trying that first. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| But in concentrating so much just on the Contras, this Administration has not paid enough attention to the rest of Central America. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| The concern I have is that we have a country with 85 million people sharing a 2,000mile border with us, with half of those people under the age of 15, a country that's had its standard of living cut 50 percent in the last six years. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Now we ought to be concerned about that, and we ought to be involved. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| I was born and reared on that Mexican border. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| I speak their language. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| I've spent a good part of my life down there. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Gov. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | NaN | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Dukakis speaks Spanish, too. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| He's spent a good deal of time in Central and South America. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And we believe that we ought to be working with a new Alliance for Progress, bringing in other countries to help; bring in Europeans, the Spanish, who have a real affinity for that area; bringing in the Japanese who have a great surplus now and looking for places to invest it. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Those are the positive things I think we could do to bring about peace in that area, to help raise that standard of living and give them the kind of stability where democracy can proceed and can prosper and bloom. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Those are the kinds of things that we'd be committed to in a Dukakis-Bentsen Administration to try to make this world a better place in which to live. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Senator Quayle, your response. | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| There's no doubt in a Dukakis Administration that the aid would be cut off to the democratic resistance in Nicaragua, and that is unfortunate. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| The reason it is unfortunate, because it is beyond me why it's okay for the Soviet Union to put in billions of dollars to prop up the communist Sandinistas, but somehow it's wrong for the United States to give a few dollars to the democratic resistance. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| There's a thing called the Monroe Doctrine, something that the Governor of Massachusetts has said has been superseded. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| I doubt if many Americans agree with that. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| I think they believe in the Monroe Doctrine. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Senator Bentsen talked about the entire Central America. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| There's another issue that Michael Dukakis is wrong on in Central America, and that's Grenada. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| He criticized our rescue mission in Grenada, according to a UPI report. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Criticized that, yet 85 percent of the American people supported our rescue mission, and we turned a communist country into a noncommunist country. | James D. Quayle | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| The Governor of Massachusetts is simply out of step with mainstream America. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Brit Hume, a question for Senator Bentsen. | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Good evening, Senator Bentsen, Senator Quayle. | HUME | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| I'm sort of the cleanup man in this order, and I've been asked by my colleagues to try to deal with anything that's been left on base. | HUME | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Senator, I have a follow up question for you, Senator Quayle. | HUME | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| But Senator Bentsen, I first want to ask you a question about PAC money, a thing I'm sure you're prepared to talk about. | HUME | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Gov. | HUME | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Dukakis has tried to make ethics a major issue in the campaign. | HUME | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And he has you as a running mate, a man who leads the league at last count in the receipt of PAC money, that being the money raised by the special interest organizations. | HUME | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| That is a kind of campaign financing which Gov. | HUME | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Dukakis finds so distasteful that he has refused to accept any of it. | HUME | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Do you find that embarrassing, Senator? | HUME | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| No, I don't find it embarrassing at all. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Because you have to remember that PAC money is the result of the last campaign reform bill, one that talks about employees have greater participation. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And what I've done in PAC money is just what my opponent in my campaign has done in his campaign. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| He has been raising PAC money, too. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| So what you have to do is comply with the laws as they are, whether you're paying taxes or you're playing a football game. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Whether you like those laws or not, you comply with them. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Now, I have been for campaign reform, and have pushed it very hard. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| I believe that we have to do some things in that regard. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| But I've noticed that the Senator from Indiana has opposed that campaign reform and voted repeatedly against it. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| The things we have to do, I believe, that will cut back on soft money, for example, which I look on as frankly one of those things that we've had to do because the Republicans have done it for so long. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| But I think it's a loophole, frankly. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| But campaign reform, changing the rules of the game, is something we tried repeatedly in this session of the Congress, but only to have the Republicans lead the charge against us and defeat us. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And I wish that Senator Quayle would change his mind on that particular piece of legislation and give us the kind of a campaign reform law that I think is needed in America. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Senator Quayle, your response. | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Senator Bentsen is the number one PAC raiser. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| As a matter of fact, he used to have a $10,000 breakfast club. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| $10,000 breakfast club. | James D. Quayle | NaN | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| It only costs high paid lobbyists, special interests in Washington, to come down and have breakfast with the Chairman of the Senate Finance Committee, the one that oversees all the tax loopholes in the tax code, $10,000. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| I'm sure they weren't paying to have cornflakes. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Well, I'll tell you the kind of campaign reform I'm supporting, Senator Bentsen. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| I think it's time we get rid of PAC money. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Support our legislation where we totally eliminate contributions by special interests and political action committees, and let's have the individual contribute and the political parties contribute. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| That's the kind of campaign reform that Republicans are for. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| They want to get rid of this special interest and rely on the individuals, and also, the political parties. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Brit, your question for Senator Quayle. | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Once again, let me caution the audience: please, keep your reactions as quiet as possible. | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Brit? | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Senator, I want to take you back if I can to the question Judy asked you about some of the apprehensions people may feel about your being a heart beat away from the presidency. | HUME | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And let us assume if we can for the sake of this question that you have become Vice President and the President is incapacitated for one reason or another, and you have to take the reins of power. | HUME | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| When that moment came, what would be the first steps that you'd take, and why? | HUME | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| First - first, I'd say a prayer for myself and for the country that I'm about to lead. | James D. Quayle | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And then I would assemble his people and talk. | James D. Quayle | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And I think this question keeps going back to the qualifications and what kind of Vice President in this hypothetical situation, if I had to assume the responsibilities of President, what I would be. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And as I have said, age alone, although I can tell you, after the experiences of these last few week in the campaign, I've added ten years to my age, age alone is not the only qualification. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| You've got to look at experience, and you've got to look at accomplishments, and can you make a difference. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Have I made a difference in the United States Senate where I've served for eight years? | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Yes, I have. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Have I made a difference in the Congress that I've served for 12 years? | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Yes, I have. | James D. Quayle | NaN | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| As I said before, looking at the issue of qualifications - and I am delighted that it comes up, because on the three most important challenges facing America, arms control and national security, jobs and education and budget deficit, I have more experience and accomplishments than does the Governor of Massachusetts. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| I have been in the Congress and I've worked on these issues. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And believe me, when you look at arms control and trying to deal with the Soviet Union, you cannot come at it from a naive position. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| You have to understand the Soviet Union. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| You have to understand how they will respond. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Sitting on that Senate Armed Services Committee for eight years has given me the experience to deal with the Soviet Union and how we can move forward. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| That is just one of the troubling issues that's going to be facing this nation, and I'm prepared. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Senator Bentsen. | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Well, I can't leave something on the table that he's charged me with, and so let's get to that one. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| When you talk about the breakfast club, as you know, that was perfectly legal. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And I formed it, and I closed it down almost immediately because I thought the perception was bad. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| But it's the same law - it's the same law - that lets you invite high priced lobbyists down to Williamsburg. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And bring them down there and entertain them playing golf, playing tennis, and bringing Republican Senators down there, to have exchanged for that contributions to their campaign. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| It's the same kind of law that lets you have honorariums - and you've collected over a quarter of a million dollars of honorariums now, speaking to various interest groups. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And there's no control over what you do with that money. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| You can spend it on anything you want to. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| You can spent it on golf club dues, if you want to do that. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| (Applause) | Lloyd M. Bentsen | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Now, that's what I've seen you do in this Administration. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And that's why we need campaign reform laws, and why I support them. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And you in turn have voted against them time and time again. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| (Applause) | Lloyd M. Bentsen | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| John Margolis, question for Senator Quayle. | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Senator Quayle, in recent years the Reagan administration has scaled back the activities of the Occupational Safety and Health Administration, prompted in part by Vice President Bush's Task Force on Regulatory Relief. | MARGOLIS | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| The budget for the agency has been cut by 20 percent and the number of inspections and manufacturing plants has been reduced by 33 percent. | MARGOLIS | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| This has had a special effect in this area where many people work in the meat packing industry, which has a far higher rate of serious injuries than almost any other injury, a rate which appears to have been rising, although we're not really sure, because some of the largest companies have allegedly falsifying their reports. | MARGOLIS | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Would you acknowledge to the hundreds of injured and maimed people Nebraska, Iowa and elsewhere in the Midwest that in this case deregulation may have gone too far and the government should reassert itself in protecting workers' rights. | MARGOLIS | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| The premise of your question, John, is that somehow this administration has been lax in enforcement of the OSHA regulations. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And I disagree with that. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And I'll tell you why. | James D. Quayle | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| If you want to ask some business people that I talk to periodically, they complain about the tough enforcement of this administration and, furthermore, let me tell you this for the record, when we have found violations in this administration, there has not only been tough enforcement, but there have been the most severe penalties - the largest penalties in the history of the Department of Labor - have been levied when these violations have been found. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| There is a commitment and there will always be a commitment to the safety of our working men and women. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| They deserve it and we're committed to them. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Now, the broader question goes to the whole issue of deregulation and has deregulation worked or has deregulation not worked. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| In my judgment deregulation has worked. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| We have a deregulated economy and we have produced through low taxes, not high taxes, through deregulation - the spirit of entrepreneurship, the individual going out and starting a business, the businessman or women willing to go out and risk their investments to start up a business and hire people. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| We have produced 17 million jobs in this country since 1982. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Deregulation as a form of political philosophy is a good philosophy. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| It's one that our opponents disagree with. | James D. Quayle | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| They want a centralized government. | James D. Quayle | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| But we believe in the market, we believe in the people and yes, there's a role of government and the role of government is to make sure that those safety - and health and the welfare of the people is taken care of. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And we'll continue to do that. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Senator Bentsen? | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Well, I think you see once again a piece of Democratic legislation that's been passed to try protect the working men and women of America. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And then you've seen an administration that came in and really didn't have it's heart in that kind of an enforcement. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| A good example of that is the environmental protection laws that we were talking about a moment ago. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| This administration came in and put in a James Watt, an Ann Gorsuch, now that's the Bonnie and Clyde, really, of environmental protection. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And that's why it's important that you have people that truly believe and trying to represent the working men and women of America. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Most employers do a good job of that, but some of them put their profits before people and that's why you have to have OSHA and that's why you have to have tough and good and fair enforcement of it and that's what a Democratic administration would do to help make this working place a safer and better place to be employed. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| John Margolis, another question for Senator Bentsen. | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Senator Bentsen, since you have been in the Senate, the government has spent increasing amounts of money in an effort to protect the family farmer. | MARGOLIS | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Though most of the subsidies seem to go - do go to the largest and richest farmers who presumably need it least, while it's the smaller farmers who are often forced to sell out, sometimes to their large farmer neighbor who's gotten more subsidies to begin with. | MARGOLIS | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Despite the fact that I believe you, sir, are a rather large farmer, yourself, do you believe that it's time to uncouple the subsidy formula from the amount of land the farmer has and target Federal money to the small and medium size farmer? | MARGOLIS | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Well, I've supported that. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| I voted for the 50,000 limitation to get away from the million dollar contributions to farmer. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| You know, of the four that are on this ticket, I'm the only on that was born and reared on a farm and still involved in farming, so I think I understand their concerns and their problems. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Now, I feel very strongly that we ought to be doing more for the American farmer and what we've seen under this administration is neglect of that farmer. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| We've seen them drive 220,000 farmers off the farm. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| They seem to think the answer is move them to town, but we ought not to be doing that. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| What you have seen them do is cut the farm assistance for the rural areas by over 50 percent. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| We're seeing rural hospitals close all over the country because of this kind of an administration. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| We've seen an administration that has lost much of our market abroad, because they have not had a trade policy. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| We saw our market loss by some 40 percent. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And that's one of the reasons that we've seen the cost of the farm program, which was only about two and a half billion dollars when they took office, now go to about $25 billion. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Now, we can bring that kind of a cost down and get more to market prices if we'll have a good trade policy. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| I was in January visiting with Mr. Takeshita, the new Prime Minister of Japan. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| I said, "You're paying five times as much for beef as we pay for our in country - pay for it in our country, six times as much for rice. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| You have a $60 billion trade surplus with us. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| You could improve the standard of living of your people. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| You're spending 27 percent of your disposable income. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| We spend 14 or 15 percent." | Lloyd M. Bentsen | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| "When you have that kind of barrier up against us, that's not free and fair trade and we don't believe that should continue." | Lloyd M. Bentsen | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| We would be pushing very hard to open up those markets and stand up for the American farmer and see that we recapture those foreign markets and I think we can do it with the Dukakis-Bentsen administration. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Senator Quayle? | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Senator Bentsen talks about recapturing the foreign markets. | James D. Quayle | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Well, I'll tell you one way that we're not going to recapture the foreign markets and that is if, in fact, we have another Jimmy Carter grain embargo. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| (Equal amounts of cheering and booing) Jimmy Carter - Jimmy Carter grain embargo set the American farmer back. | James D. Quayle | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| You know what the farmer's interested in? | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Net farm income. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Every one percent in increase in interest rates, a billion dollars out of the farmer's pocket. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Net farm income, increased inflation, another billion dollars. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Another thing that a farmer is not interested in and that's supply management that the Democratic platform talks about. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| But the Governor of Massachusetts, he has a farm program. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| He went to the farmers in the Midwest and told them not to grow corn, not to grow soybeans, but to grow Belgium [sic] endive. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| That's what his - that's what he and his Harvard buddies think of the American farmer, grow Belgium endive. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| To come in and to tell our farmers not to grow corn, not to grow soybeans, that's the kind of farm policy you'll get under a Dukakis administration and one I think the American farmer rightfully will reject. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Tom Brokaw, a question for Senator Bentsen. | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Senator Bentsen, you were a businessman before you entered the U.S. Senate. | Tom Brokaw | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Let me offer you an inventory if I may: Lower interest rates, lower unemployment, lower inflation and an arms control deal with the Soviet Union. | Tom Brokaw | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Now two guys come through your door at your business and say, "We'd like you to change," without offering a lot of specifics. | Tom Brokaw | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Why would you accept their deal? | Tom Brokaw | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| You know, if you let me write $200 billion worth of hot checks every year, I could give you an illusion of prosperity, too. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| (Laughter and applause) This is an administration that has more than doubled the national debt, and they've done that in less than eight years. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| They have taken this country from the No. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| 1 lender nation in the world to the No. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| 1 debtor nation in the world. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And the interest on that debt next year, on this Reagan-Bush debt of our nation, is going to be $640 for every man, woman, and child in America because of this kind of a credit-card mentality. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| So we go out and we try to sell our securities every week, and hope that the foreigners will buy them. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And they do buy them. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| But every time they do, we lose some of our economic independence for the future. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Now they've turned around and they've bought 10 percent of the manufacturing base of this country. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| They bought 20 percent of the banks. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| They own 46 percent of the commercial real estate in Los Angeles. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| They are buying America on the cheap. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Now, when we have other countries that can't manage their economy down in Central and South America, we send down the American ambassador, we send down the International Monetary Fund, and we tell them what they can buy and what they can sell and how to run their economies. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| The ultimate irony would be to have that happen to us, because foreigners finally quit buying our securities. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| So what we need in this country is someone like Mike Dukakis, who gave ten balanced budgets in a row there, and was able to do that, meet that kind of a commitment, set those tough priorities. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| We need an administration that will turn this trade policy around and open up those markets, stand tough with our trading partners to help keep the jobs at home and send the products abroad. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Senator Quayle. | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Senator Bentsen talks about running up the debt. | James D. Quayle | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Well, the governor of Massachusetts has run up more debt than all the governors in the history of Massachusetts combined, going back to the days of the Pilgrims. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| I don't believe that that's the kind of policy that we want. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| The question went to the heart of the matter, Tom. | James D. Quayle | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| You asked the question why would we change. | James D. Quayle | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Well, we have changed since 1980. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| We've got interest rates down, we've got inflation down, people are working again, America is held in respect once again around the world. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| But we are going to build on that change. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And as we made those positive changes of lower interest rates, lower rate of inflation, the governor of Massachusetts fought us every step of the way. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| We are proud of the record of accomplishment and the opportunities and the hope for millions of Americans. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Hope and opportunity of these Americans is because of the policies that we have had for the last eight years, and we want to build on that and change it for even the better. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Tom, a question for Senator Quayle. | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Senator Quayle, as you mentioned here tonight, you actively supported the invasion of Grenada, which was a military operation to rescue some American medical students and to rescue an island from a Marxist takeover. | Tom Brokaw | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| If military force was necessary in that endeavor, why not use the military to go after the South American drug cartels and after General Noriega, for that matter, in a surgical strike, since drugs in the minds of most Americans pose a far greater danger to many more people? | Tom Brokaw | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| (Scattered applause) | Tom Brokaw | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| You are absolutely right that the drug problem is the No. | James D. Quayle | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| 1 issue. | James D. Quayle | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| But would you please address the military aspect of it. | Tom Brokaw | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| I will address the military aspect, if I may respond. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| The military aspect of the drug problem is being addressed. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| As a matter of fact, we are using the Department of Defense in a coordinated effort, in reconnaissance. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| But I don't believe that we are going to turn the Department of Defense into a police organization. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| We are using our military assets in a prudent way to deal with interdiction, and we've made some success in this area. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Seventy tons of cocaine have been stopped. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| But, you know, when you look at the drug problem - and it is a tremendous problem, and there are no easy solutions to it - it's a complicated problem, and it's heading up the effort to try to create a drug-free America, which is a challenge and a goal of all of us. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Not only will we utilize national defense and the Department of Defense, but we've got to get on the demand side of the ledger; we've got to get to education. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And education ought to begin at home, and it ought to be reinforced in our schools. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And there's another thing that will be more important than the premise of this question on a hypothetical of using troops. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| We will use the military assets, we will use military assets - but we need to focus on another part of this problem, and that problem is law enforcement. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And here is where we have a major disagreement with the governor of Massachusetts. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| He is opposed to the death penalty for drug kingpins. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| We believe people convicted of that crime deserve the death penalty, as does the legislation that's in the Congress that is supported by a bipartisan, including many Democrats of his party. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| He also was opposed to mandatory drug sentencing for drug dealers in the state of Massachusetts. | James D. Quayle | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| You cannot have a war on drugs, you cannot be tough on drugs and weak on crime. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Senator Bentsen. | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| It's interesting to see that the Senator from Indiana, when we had a resolution on the floor of the United States Senate sponsored by Senator Dole, that this government would make no deal with Noriega - that the Senator from Indiana was one of the dozen senators that voted against it. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| It's also interesting to see that one of his campaign managers that's trying to help him with his image was also hired by Noriega to help him with his image in Panama. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| (Shouts and applause) What we have seen under this administration - we have seen them using eight cabinet officers, twenty-eight different agencies, all fighting over turf - and that is one thing we would correct under a Dukakis-Bentsen administration. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| We would put one person in charge in the war against drugs, and we would commit the resources to get that job done. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Now, Mike Dukakis has been able to do that type of thing in the state of Massachusetts by cutting the drug use in the high schools while it's going up around the rest of the country, by putting in a drug educational program that the Drug Enforcement Agency said was a model to the country. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| We would be doing that around the rest of the country. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| That's a positive attack against drugs. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Brit Hume, a question for Senator Quayle. | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Senator, I want to take you back to the question that I asked you earlier about what would happen if you were to take over in an emergency, and what you would do first and why. | HUME | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| You said you would say a prayer, and you said something about a meeting. | HUME | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| What would you do next? | HUME | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| (Laughter) | HUME | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| I don't believe that it's proper for me to get into the specifics of a hypothetical situation like that. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| The situation is that if I was called upon to serve as the president of this country, or the responsibilities of the president of this country, would I be capable and qualified to do that? | James D. Quayle | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And I've tried to list the qualifications of twelve years in the United States Congress. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| I have served in the Congress for twelve years; I have served in the Congress and served eight years on the Senate Armed Services Committee. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| I have traveled a number of times - I've been to Geneva many times to meet with our negotiators as we were hammering out the INF Treaty; I've met with the western political leaders - Margaret Thatcher, Chancellor Kohl - I know them, they know me. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| I know what it takes to lead this country forward. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And if that situation arises, yes, I will be prepared, and I will be prepared to lead this country, if that happens. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| (Applause) | James D. Quayle | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Senator Bentsen. | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Once again I think what we are looking at here is someone that can step in at the presidency level at the moment, if that tragedy would occur. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And if that's the case, again you have to look at maturity of judgment, and you have to look at breadth of experience. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| You have to see what kind of leadership roles that person has played in his life before that crisis struck him. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And if you do that type of thing, then you arrive at a judgment that I think would be a wise one. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And I hope that would mean that you would say we are going to vote for Mike Dukakis and Lloyd Bentsen. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| (Applause) | Lloyd M. Bentsen | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Brit, question for Senator Bentsen. | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Senator, I want to take you back if I can to the celebrated Breakfast Club, when it was first revealed that you had a plan to have people pay $10,000 a plate to have breakfast with you. | HUME | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| You handled it with disarming, not to say charming, candor, you said it was a mistake, and you disbanded it and called the whole idea off. | HUME | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And you were widely praised for having handled it deftly. | HUME | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| The question I have is: If The Washington Post had not broken that story and other media picked up on it, what can you tell us tonight as to why we should not believe that you would still be having those breakfasts to this day? | HUME | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| (Scattered laughter) | HUME | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| I really must say, Brit, I don't make many mistakes, but that one was a real doozy. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And I agree with that. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And, as you know, I immediately disbanded it. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| It was perfectly legal. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And you have all kinds of such clubs on the Hill - and you know that. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| But I still believe that the better way to go is to have a campaign reform law that takes care of that kind of a situation. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Even though it's legal, the perception is bad. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| So I would push very strong to see that we reform the entire situation. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| I'd work for that end, and that's what my friend from Indiana has opposed repeatedly, vote after vote. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Senator Quayle. | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| He disbanded the club, but he's still got the money. | James D. Quayle | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| He is the number one - he is the number one receiver of political action committee money. | James D. Quayle | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Now, Senator Bentsen has talked about reform. | James D. Quayle | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Well, let me tell you about the reform that we're pushing. | James D. Quayle | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Let's eliminate political action committees, the special interest money. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| There's legislation before the Congress to do that. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| That way, we won't have to worry about breakfast clubs, or who's the number one PAC raiser. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| We can go back and get the contributions from the working men and women and the individuals of America. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| We can also strengthen our two party system - and it needs strengthening - and rely more on the political parties than we have in the past. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| That's the kind of campaign reform that I'm for, and I hope the Senator will join me. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| John Margolis, a question for Senator Bentsen. | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Senator, we've all just finished - most America has just finished one of the hottest summers it can remember. | MARGOLIS | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And apparently this year will be the fifth out of the last nine that are among the hottest on record. | MARGOLIS | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| No one knows, but most scientists think, that something we're doing, human beings are doing, are exacerbating this problem, and that this could, in a couple of generations, threaten our descendants comfort and health and perhaps even their existence. | MARGOLIS | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| As Vice President what would you urge our government to do to deal with this problem? | MARGOLIS | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And specifically as a Texan, could you support a substantial reduction in the use of fossil fuels which might be necessary down the road? | MARGOLIS | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Well, I think what you can do in that one, and which would be very helpful, is to use a lot more natural gas, which burns a lot cleaner. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And what Mike Dukakis has said is that he'll try to break down those regulatory roadblocks that you have in the regulatory agency that denies much of the passage of that natural gas to the northeast, a way, in turn, can fight against acid rain which is another threat, because it's sterilizing our lakes, it's killing our fish. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And it's interesting to me to see in the resume of Senator Quayle that he brags on the fact that he's been able to fight the acid rain legislation. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| I don't think that that's a proper objective in trying to clean up this environment. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| But the greenhouse effect is one that has to be a threat to all of us, and we have to look for alternative sources of fuel. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And I've supported that very strongly. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| The Department of Energy is one that has cut back substantially on the study of those alternative sources of fuels. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| We can use other things that'll help the farmer. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| We can convert corn to ethanol, and I would push for that very strong. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| So absolutely. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| I'll do those things that are necessary to put the environment of our country number one. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Because if we don't protect that, we'll destroy the future of our children. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And we must be committed to trying - to clean up the water, clean up the air, and do everything we can, not only from a research standpoint, but also in the applied legislation to see that that's carried out. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Senator Quayle? | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Vice President George Bush has said that he will take on the environmental problem. | James D. Quayle | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| He has said further that he will deal with the acid rain legislation and reduce millions of tons of the S02 content. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| That legislation won't get through the Congress this year. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| But it will get through in a George Bush Administration, a George Bush Administration that is committed to the environment. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Now the greenhouse effect is an important environmental issue. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| It is important for us to get the data in, to see what alternatives we might have to the fossil fuels, and make sure we know what we're doing. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And there are some explorations and things that we can consider in this area. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| The drought highlighted the problem that we have, and therefore, we need to get on with it, and in a George Bush Administration, you can bet that we will. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| John, a question for Senator Quayle. | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Senator, as Vice President your most important contribution would be the advice you gave the President. | MARGOLIS | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| One of the most troubling facts that's going to face the new Administration is the fact that the United States has now become the world's largest debtor nation. | MARGOLIS | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| In 1987 foreigners underwrote our debts to the tune of about $138 billion. | MARGOLIS | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Last week a top official of the Japanese Economic Planning Agency bragged that Japan now is in a position to influence the value of the dollar, of our interest rates, and even our stock prices. | MARGOLIS | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And he warned that one day maybe they'd do just that. | MARGOLIS | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| If you were Vice President of the United States and Japan did that, what would you tell the President to do? | MARGOLIS | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| When you look at dealing with this total problem - i t's not just with the Japanese, but the underlying question on this total world debt problem - you have got to see, why are we a debtor, and what is attracting the foreign investment into our country today, whether it's Japanese or others. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| I would rather have people come over here and to make investments in this country, rather than going elsewhere. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Because by coming over here, and making investments in this country, we are seeing jobs. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Do you realize that today we are producing Hondas and exporting Hondas to Japan? | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| We are the envy of the world. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| The United States - (Laughter) | James D. Quayle | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Some of Senator Bentsen's supporters laugh at that. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| They laugh at that because they don't believe that the United States of America is the envy of the world. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Well, I can tell you, the American people think the United States of America is the envy of the world. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| (Applause) | James D. Quayle | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Senator - oh, I'm sorry, go ahead. | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| We are the greatest nation in this world, and the greatest economic power. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Now, there's been some talk in Congress about forgiveness of debt. | James D. Quayle | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Forgiveness of debt is wrong. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Forgiveness of international debt would be counterproductive. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And I would like to see those that talk about forgiving debt, Senator Bentsen, go out and talk about a farmer that's in debt that doesn't have his forgiven. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| That's not the kind of policy George Bush will have. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Senator Bentsen. | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Well, I've told you what I'd do about trade and trying to help turn that situation around. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| But what we also should do is get them to give us more burden sharing when it comes to national defense. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| We have a situation today where, on a per capita basis, people in Western Europe are spending about one-third as much as we are in our country. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And then when you go to Japan, where we're spending 6-1/2 percent on defense of the democracies, they're spending one percent. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| I met with some of the Japanese business leaders, talking to them about it. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And I said, you know, we have 50,000 troops here in Japan, protecting the democracies of Asia. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And it costs $3.5 billion a year. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| You're the number two economic power in the world. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| You ought to measure up to that responsibility and carry some of that cost. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| I said, if we were not doing what we're doing, we'd have a big budget surplus. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And I said, you'd have chaos, because you get 55 percent of your oil from the Persian Gulf, and you wouldn't have the U.S. Navy down there to take care of that. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Now, the Senator from Indiana, when we passed a resolution in the United States Senate to ask for burden sharing on that cost to keep those sea lanes open from the Japanese, he votes against that. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| I don't understand that. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Tom Brokaw, a question for Senator Quayle. | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Senator Quayle, I don't mean to beat this drum until it has no more sound in it. | Tom Brokaw | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| But to follow up on Brit Hume's question, when you said that it was a hypothetical situation, it is, sir, after all, the reason that we're here tonight, because you are running not just for Vice President - (Applause) | Tom Brokaw | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And if you cite the experience that you had in Congress, surely you must have some plan in mind about what you would do if it fell to you to become President of the United States, as it has to so many Vice Presidents just in the last 25 years or so. | Tom Brokaw | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Let me try to answer the question one more time. | James D. Quayle | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| I think this is the fourth time that I've had this question. | James D. Quayle | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| The third time. | Tom Brokaw | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Three times that I've had this question - and I will try to answer it again for you, as clearly as I can, because the question you are asking is what kind of qualifications does Dan Quayle have to be president, what kind of qualifications do I have and what would I do in this kind of a situation. | James D. Quayle | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And what would I do in this situation? | James D. Quayle | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| I would make sure that the people in the cabinet and the people that are advisors to the president are called in, and I would talk to them, and I will work with them. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And I will know them on a firsthand basis, because as vice president I will sit on the National Security Council. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And I will know them on a firsthand basis, because I'm going to be coordinating the drug effort. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| I will know them on a firsthand basis because Vice President George Bush is going to recreate the Space Council, and I will be in charge of that. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| I will have day-to-day activities with all the people in government. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And then, if that unfortunate situation happens - if that situation, which would be very tragic, happens, I will be prepared to carry out the responsibilities of the presidency of the United States of America. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And I will be prepared to do that. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| I will be prepared not only because of my service in the Congress, but because of my ability to communicate and to lead. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| it's accomplishments, it's experience. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| I have far more experience than many others that sought the office of vice president of this country. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| I have as much experience in the Congress as Jack Kennedy did when he sought the presidency. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| I will be prepared to deal with the people in the Bush administration, if that unfortunate event would ever occur. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Senator Bentsen. | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Senator, I served with Jack Kennedy, I knew Jack Kennedy, Jack Kennedy was a friend of mine. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Senator, you are no Jack Kennedy. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| (Prolonged shouts and applause) What has to be done in a situation like that is to call in the - | Lloyd M. Bentsen | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Please, please, once again you are only taking time away from your own candidate. | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| That was really uncalled for, Senator. | James D. Quayle | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| (Shouts and applause) | James D. Quayle | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| You are the one that was making the comparison, Senator - and I'm one who knew him well. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And frankly I think you are so far apart in the objectives you choose for your country that I did not think the comparison was well-taken. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Tom, a question for Senator Bentsen. | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Since you seem to be taking no hostages on the stage, let me ask you a question - (Laughter) - about the American hostages, nine, still in brutal captivity in the Middle East. | Tom Brokaw | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Senator Bentsen, you have been critical of the Iran-contra affair, but tell me, does the Dukakis-Bentsen ticket have any realistic plan for getting the American hostages being held in the Middle East released in any due time? | Tom Brokaw | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Tom, that's one of the toughest problems that any chief executive will face, because you can't help but have sympathy for that family, and for those hostages in the cells. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| But the one thing we ought to know by now is that you can't go out and make secret deals with the Ayatollah, you can't trade arms for hostages. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| When you try to do that there is no question but what you just encourage more taking of hostages. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And that's been the result by this dumb idea that was cooked up in the White House basement. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And I want to tell you that George Bush, attending seventeen of those meetings, and having no record of what he said - if Lloyd Bentsen was in those meetings, you would certainly hear from him and no one would be asking: Where is Lloyd? | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| (Shouts and applause) Because I would be saying: That's a dumb idea, and now let's put an end to it. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And I would speak up on that type of thing. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| So all you can do in that is to continue to push, use every bit of diplomatic pressure you can, what you can do in the way of economic pressure in addition to that. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And that's what you would strive to do to have a successful release finally of those hostages. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| But not to encourage more taking of hostages. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Senator Quayle. | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| There's no doubt about it that arms for hostages is wrong, and it will never be repeated - we learn by our mistakes. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| But there have been a number of successes in foreign policy in this administration. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| But the question goes to a very difficult one: How do you do it? | James D. Quayle | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| No one has the answer. | James D. Quayle | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| If they did, we would certainly do it. | James D. Quayle | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| But we will keep trying, we'll keep the doors open, and hopefully some day Iran and others who control those hostages will want to return to civilized international community. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And they can do that, starting now, by releasing those hostages that are held illegally. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Brit Hume, a question for Senator Bentsen. | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Senator, much of the Dukakis and Bentsen campaign of late has been devoted to the notion that Senator Quayle isn't ready for the vice presidency and perhaps the presidency, and certainly nothing that you have said here tonight suggests that you think otherwise. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| I wonder if you think it's really fair for you to advance that view in light of the fact that you ran for the presidency, not the vice-presidency, in 1976 having not yet completed one full term in the Senate and having previously served three terms in the House almost a quarter of a century earlier, when in fact your time in Washington was about equal to what he has now. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Well, I think what you have to look at is the record of a man who has served his country - (Shouts, laughter) - served his country in war, headed up a squadron in combat, a man who built a business, knew what it was to meet a payroll and create jobs, and then serve in the United States Senate; and one who has been able to bring about some of the kinds of legislation that I've been able to bring about in my service there. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| I must say I didn't do a very good job of running for the presidency, and I'm well aware of that. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| But what we are looking at today is trying to judge once again the breadth of experience and the maturity of someone taking on this kind of a task. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| That is the judgment that has to be exercised by the people of America. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| It's a presidential decision that you are facing, and a very important one, because we are talking about who is going to lead this country into its future. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And you can't have a more important responsibility than that one. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Senator Quayle. | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| When you look at qualifications, you look at accomplishments as well as experience. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And one of the accomplishments I'm proudest of is the authorship of the Job Training Partnership Act that has trained and educated and employed over three million young people and adults that are economically disadvantaged. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And we did it in a way that we got the private sector to involve itself with the public sector on private industry councils throughout America that serve over the service delivery areas. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| We have 51 percent of that private industry council that are businessmen and women; we have members of unions; we have community-based organizations; we have education leaders. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And what we have been able to do is establish a program that is working, that is putting people back to work. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| That is an accomplishment, and that is an accomplishment that I will take with me into the White House. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Brit, a question for Senator Quayle. | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Senator, I want to ask you a question that may be a little off the subject of politics, but which is aimed to get more at the question of what sort of person you are. | HUME | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| I would hope that, Senator Bentsen, if you choose to, you might choose to answer the same question in your rebuttal time. | HUME | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Senator, can you identify any work of literature or art or even of film that you have seen or read or experienced in any way in the last two years that has had a particularly strong effect on you, and tell us why. | HUME | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| In the last six months, I think there are three very important books that I read that have had an impact. | James D. Quayle | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| The three books are, one, Richard Nixon's Victory in 1999, Richard Lugar's - Senator Richard Lugar's - Letters to the Next President, Bob Massey's Nicholas and Alexandra, which deals with the fall of the Russian empire and the coming of Leninism in 1917. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Those three books, which I read over the last spring vacation and early summer, had a very definite impact, because what former President Nixon and Senator Richard Lugar were talking about was a foreign policy as we move toward the 21st century. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And the historical book of the downfall of the czar and the coming of Leninism, combining those three books together, gave me a better appreciation of the challenges that we have ahead of us. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| In Senator Lugar's book, he talks about the advancement of human rights around the world; he talked about his leadership effort in the Philippines and South Africa, where we now see human rights advancement on the Reagan agenda. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Former President Nixon talked about what we are going to do after detente and arms control, and how we are going to pursue new arms control with the Soviet Union; he talked a little bit about how we deal with the Soviet Union - and this is one of the differences between George Bush and Michael Dukakis, because George Bush understands that to deal with the Soviet Union and to get progress you must deal from a position of strength. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And the governor of Massachusetts doesn't understand that. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| I understand it. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And a George Bush administration will pursue that policy. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Senator Bentsen. | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Well, I think reading "Winds of War" and "Guns of August" back to back - I think that really shows you how we make the same mistakes too often, over and over again. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And it seems to me that the Senator from Indiana is beginning to do that one. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| As I look toward our progress that's been made toward disarmament and cutting back on nuclear weapons and see what Ronald Reagan has been able to do with the INF treaty - and I think he deserves great credit with that one. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| I see a situation where the Senator from Indiana has now jumped off the reservation, when we talk about building on what Ronald Reagan has done and opposes what Ronald Reagan wants to do, the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the Secretary of Defense and says let's go slow on further disarmament in trying to get the next treaty. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| I think that's a mistake. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| I think that you have to deal with the Russians from strength and we have to understand that you have to have a strong modernized nuclear deterrent, but I think we can make substantial progress and we ought to take advantage. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| I think he's arrived at a very dangerous judgment in the question of war and peace and it concerns me very much. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Because I saw him also try to sabotage the INF treaty when it was on the Floor of the United States Senate with what he was doing there. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| He's listening once again to the winds of the radical right. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Senator. | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| My light was still on, Judy. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| John Margolis, a question for Senator Quayle. | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Senator Quayle, I want to go back to the matter of qualifications, which I think for most people is more than just your - | MARGOLIS | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| John, we can't hear you. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Can you hear now? | MARGOLIS | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| I can hear you. | James D. Quayle | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| [Laughter.] | James D. Quayle | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| I want to go back to the question of qualifications, which I think for most people is more than just how long you've been in the Senate and how long you've been in public life. | MARGOLIS | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| There's also a question of candor and of consistency. | MARGOLIS | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And several of the things you've said, both here and earlier, I think have raised some reasonable questions. | MARGOLIS | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Each of them alone might seem rather trivial, but I think together they create a pattern that needs to be asked. | MARGOLIS | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| You've talked a few times today about the Job Training Partnership Act, which you authored. | MARGOLIS | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| In fact, I believe you co-authored it with another Senator, whom you almost never name. | MARGOLIS | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Earlier in the campaign when you were asked why you got a very - a desk job in the National Guard after being trained as a welder, you said at the time you had a very strong background in journalism, which at that time was summer jobs at your family-owned newspaper, which you have not been very forthcoming about what they were. | MARGOLIS | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| As you have not been very forthcoming about your college record. | MARGOLIS | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Now, I have to say - at least the males on this panel have earlier agreed that your record was probably comparable to ours, but - [Laughter.] | MARGOLIS | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Nonetheless, these examples of sort of overstatement and exaggeration and not being forthcoming - this what has led a lot of people to question this part of your qualifications, not your experience, but your character. | MARGOLIS | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Would you like to set some of these things straight now as to what you did in your summer jobs in college, what your grades were like and would you like to identify your co-sponsor of the Job Training Partnership Act? | MARGOLIS | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| All in two minutes? | James D. Quayle | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Sure. | MARGOLIS | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Let me start with the underlying premise, that somehow I haven't been straightforward. | James D. Quayle | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And I have. | James D. Quayle | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And let's go to the - right to the very first question - the Job Training Partnership Act. | James D. Quayle | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| I was the author of that. | James D. Quayle | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| The co-author in the United States Senate was Senator Kennedy. | James D. Quayle | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| I was the Chairman of the Employment and Productivity Subcommittee. | James D. Quayle | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Chairmen of the committee write that legislation. | James D. Quayle | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Chairmen of the committee write the legislation and then they go out and get co-sponsorship. | James D. Quayle | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And when you are the chairman of the committee and you sit down and you write the legislation, you are the author of that. | James D. Quayle | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And I'm proud to have been the author of that. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Because you know what we had, we had a CETA program that spent $50 billion from about 1973 through 1982 and when we concluded that program - when we concluded that program, unemployment was higher than when it began. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| It was a program that didn't work and the Job Training Partnership Act does work. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Now, the issue of releasing all the - my grades - I am - and I stand before you tonight - as the most investigated person ever to seek public office. | James D. Quayle | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| (Applause) | James D. Quayle | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Thousands of journalists have asked every professor I've had, all my teachers and they know - and I have never professed to be anything but an average student. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| I have never said I was anything more than that, but it's not whether you're an average study, it's what are you going to do with your life. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And what have I - going to do with my life. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| I have committed it to public service since I was 29 years of age - elected to the House of Representatives. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Elected to the United States Senate when I was 33. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| I now have the opportunity at 41 to seek the office of the Vice Presidency. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Senator Bentsen? | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| I have absolutely no quarrel with Senator Quayle's military record. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| But I do strongly disagree with him on some of the issues. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| You make great patriotic speeches and I enjoy them, but I don't understand your vote on veterans issues. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Senator Quayle has one of the worst voting records in the United States Senate on veterans issues. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And one of them that particularly bothers me, sponsoring legislation to put a tax on combat pay and disability pay for veterans, for fighting men and women of America. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Tax on their disability pay when they're lying there in the hospital, people who have sacrificed for our country. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| I think you ought to explain that to the people of America and you ought to explain it tonight. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| John, a question for Senator Bentsen. | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Senator, you're Chairman of the Senate Finance Committee and you're generally considered rather an orthodox conservative on fiscal matters, meaning someone who would be very concerned about the budget deficit. | MARGOLIS | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| With everybody in politics afraid even to mention taxes, more social security cuts or even very much restrain in defense sending, would you now list a few specific programs which would reduce or eliminate - which you would reduce or eliminate, to cut the deficit by about $50 billion, the deficit which is expected to be about $135 billion this Fiscal Year. | MARGOLIS | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| One of them that I'd work on - and I do this as a farmer - I try to turn the situation around where we have seen the subsidy payments go from two and a half billion to ten times that under this administration. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And the way I would accomplish that--was with a tough trade policy, opening up those markets, getting those prices back up to market prices. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| We can do that if we have an aggressive trade policy for our country, if we make trade a number one priority and not trade it off for some foreign policy objective at the moment. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| That means we have to stand up for the American farmers and that cuts back on the regulation on American farmers. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| That's a positive way to accomplish that. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| In addition to that, we do some of the things that I think have to be done insofar as doing a better job of procurement, particularly when we're talking about some of our military things that we should buy. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| I know that I fought very hard to put in an independent inspector general for the Defense Department, that the Senator from Indiana opposed me on that. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| But we were finally able to put that into effect and we saved over a quarter of a billion dollars this year, almost enough to buy a squadron of 716s. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Those are the kids of things that I'd work on. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| One of the things I learned in business is that you can expect what you inspect. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| So, we'd be a - doing a much tougher job of auditing, to try to get rid of some of these kickbacks to consultants on military contracts, to be much more aggressive on that. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| In addition, those types of things would bring the interest rate down. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| I'd try to turn this trade deficit around and that too would help us and help us very substantially. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And I'd get rid of some things like these planes that - are going to have - that the administration wants that'll fly from New York to Tokyo and take those investment bankers over there in four hours. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| I don't think we can afford a piece of technological elegance like that. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| I'd strike that sort of thing from the ticket. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| I don't know how many people have ridden the Concorde, not many, but I voted against it, said it would be a financial disaster and it's been just that. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Senator. | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| So, those are the types of things that I would work on. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Senator Quayle? | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| The way we're going to reduce this budget deficit, and it is a challenge to make sure that it is reduce, is first to stick to the Gramm-Rudman targets. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| The Gramm-Rudman targets have worked. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| We've reduced the Federal budget deficit $70 billion. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Senator Bentsen voted against Gramm-Rudman, the very tool that has been used to bring the Federal budget deficit down. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| We're going to need all the tools possible to bring this Federal budget deficit down. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| We need the tools of a line item veto. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| A line item veto that 43 governors in this country have, but not the President of the United States. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| The President of the United States needs to have a line item veto. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| When Congress goes ahead and puts into appropriations bills unrequested and unnecessary spending, let the President put a line through that, send it back to the Congress and let the Congress vote on it again. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Congress has to help out in reducing this budget deficit as much as the Executive Branch. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Tom Brokaw, a last question for Senator Bentsen. | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Senator Bentsen, I'd like to ask you about your split personality during this election year. | Tom Brokaw | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| You're running on the ticket with Michael Dukakis, a man who is opposed to the death penalty, a man who is in favor of gun control, and at the same time you're running for the United States Senate in the state of Texas, where your position on many of those same issues is well known, and absolutely opposed to him. | Tom Brokaw | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| How do you explain to the people of Texas how you can be a social conservative on those cutting issues and still run with Michael Dukakis on the national ticket? | Tom Brokaw | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Michael Dukakis wasn't looking for a clone. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| I think it's part of the strength and the character of this land that he reaches out, and that he wants someone that will speak up - and that I'll do. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| I've seen many chief executives come into my office and say they're going over and tell the president of the United States off, they're going to pound the desk, and go into that office and turn to Jello. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Now, I've dealt with many a president, and I don't hesitate for a minute to speak up. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| But when you're talking about something like the death penalty, where Michael Dukakis and I do disagree, what you really ought to get to is what's being done against crime, and what kind of progress he's been able to make. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| In the state of Massachusetts he has the homicide rate down to the lowest of any industrial state. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| It's substantially ahead of the national average. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| He's been able to do that with an educated program for the people of that state by adding some 1,500 new police officers; he's done it in turn by the leadership that I think he will bring to the ticket when he becomes president of the United States and fighting drugs. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| He's taken it down some four percent in the high schools of that state, while it's gone up about the rest of the nation. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| But you would seem him as president of the United States being very aggressive in this fight against crime, and having that kind of a successful result. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And that's one of the reasons I'm delighted and proud to be on the ticket with him. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Sure, we have some differences, but overall we have so many things we agree on. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| This situation of a trade policy, of cutting back on the deficit. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Those are positive, plus things, and major issues facing our nation. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Senator Quayle. | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| One of the things that they don't agree on is in the area of national defense. | James D. Quayle | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| National defense, and how we're going to preserve the freedom in this country. | James D. Quayle | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Michael Dukakis is the most liberal national Democrat to seek the office of presidency since George McGovern. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| He is for - he is against the MX missile, the midgetman, cutting two aircraft carriers. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| He is opposed to many defense programs that are necessary to defend this country. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| That's why former Secretary of Defense and former Energy Secretary in the Carter administration, Jim Schlesinger, in an open letter to Time magazine asked Governor Dukakis, "are you viscerally anti-military?" | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Jim Schlesinger never got an answer. | James D. Quayle | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And the reason he did is because the governor of Massachusetts doesn't want to answer former Secretary Jim Schlesinger on that very important question. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Tom, a last question for Senator Quayle. | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Senator Quayle, all of us in our lifetime encounter an experience that helps shapes our adult philosophy in some form or another. | Tom Brokaw | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Could you describe for this audience tonight what experience you may have had, and how it shaped our political philosophy? | Tom Brokaw | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| There are a lot of experiences that I've had that have shaped my adult philosophy, but the one that I keep coming back to time and time again - and I talk about it at commencement addresses, I talk about it in the high schools. | James D. Quayle | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| I talk about it when I visit the job training centers. | James D. Quayle | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And it's the advice that my maternal grandmother, Martha Pulliam, who's 97 years old. | James D. Quayle | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| We are a modern day, four generation family. | James D. Quayle | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| The advice that she gave me when I was growing up is advice that I've given my children, and I've given to a number of children, number of people. | James D. Quayle | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And it's very simple. | James D. Quayle | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| It's very common sense. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And she says, "You can do anything you want to if you just set your mind to it, and go to work." | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Now, the Dukakis supporters sneer at that because it's common sense. | James D. Quayle | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| (Laughter) | James D. Quayle | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| They sneer at common sense advice. | James D. Quayle | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Midwestern advice. | James D. Quayle | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Midwestern advice from a grandmother to a grandson. | James D. Quayle | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Important advice. | James D. Quayle | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Something that we ought to talk about, because if you want to, you can make a difference. | James D. Quayle | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| You, America can make a difference. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| You're going to have that choice come this election. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Everyone can make a difference if they want to. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Senator Bentsen? | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| I think being born and reared on the Rio Grande, to have spent part of my life seeing some of the struggles that have taken place in one of the lowest per capita incomes in the United States. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And that's one of the reasons I worked so hard to try to assist on education. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And when I found that the bankers in that area found that they could not handle the loans because of some of the detail and the expense, couldn't make a profit on it, I went down there and helped form a nonprofit organization, to buy out those loans from them, and to manage them, and do it in a way where they'd continue to make those loans. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Now they have. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And they've educated more than 20,000 of those students, loaned out over a hundred million dollars. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And it hasn't cost the taxpayers of this country one cent. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| That's one of the reasons I've worked so hard to bring better health care to the people, because what I've seen in the way of poverty down there in that area, and the lack of medical attention, and trying to see that that's turned around; why I've worked so hard on the welfare reform bill--to give them a chance to break these cycles of poverty, a chance for a step up in life. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Judy, something's happened. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| My light's still on. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Your light's not working. | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| All right. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| We're sorry about that if that's the case. | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Thank you. | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Thank you, Senator Bentsen. | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Thank you, Senator Quayle. | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| We have now come to the end of the questions, and before I ask the candidates to make their closing remarks, on behalf of the Commission on Presidential Debates, I'd like to thank all of you for joining us. | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Senator Quayle, yours is the first closing statement. | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Thank you. | James D. Quayle | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Tonight has been a very important evening. | James D. Quayle | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| You have been able to see Dan Quayle as I really am, and how George Bush and I want to lead this country into the future. | James D. Quayle | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Thank you, America, for listening, and thank you for your fairness. | James D. Quayle | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Now you will have a choice to make on election day. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| You will have a choice of whether America is going to choose the road of Michael Dukakis or the road of George Bush as we march toward the 21st Century. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| The road of Michael Dukakis comes down to this: Bigger government, higher taxes. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| They've always believed in higher taxes; they always have, and they always will. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Cuts in national defense. | James D. Quayle | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Back to the old economics of high interest rates, high inflation, and the old politics of high unemployment. | James D. Quayle | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Now the road of George Bush is the road to the future, and it comes down to this: An America second to none, with visions of greatness, economic expansion, tough laws, tough judges, strong values, respect for the flag and our institutions. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| George Bush will lead us to the 21st Century, a century that will be of hope and peace. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Ronald Reagan and George Bush saved America from decline. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| We changed America. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Michael Dukakis fought us every step of the way. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| It's not that they're not sympathetic; it's simply that they will take America backwards. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| George Bush has the experience, and with me, the future, a future committed to our family, a future committed to the freedom. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Thank you, good night, and God bless you. | James D. Quayle | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| (Applause) | James D. Quayle | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Senator Bentsen, your closing statement. | Judy Woodruff | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| In just 34 days, America will elect new leadership for our country. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| It's a most important decision, because there's no bigger job than governing this great country of ours, and leading it into its future. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Mike Dukakis and Lloyd Bentsen offer you experience, tempered, capable leadership, to meet those challenges of the future. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Our opposition says lower your sights, rest on your laurels. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Mike Dukakis and Lloyd Bentsen think America can do better, that America can't just coast into the future, clinging to the past. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| This race is too close. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| The competition is too tough, the stakes are too high. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Michael Dukakis and Lloyd Bentsen think America must move into that future united in a commitment to make this country of ours the most powerful, the most prosperous nation in the world. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| As Americans, we honor our past, and we should. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| But our children are going to live in the future, and Mike Dukakis says the best of America is yet to come. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| But that won't happen. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Taking care of our economy, just putting it on automatic pilot. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Premise | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| It won't happen by accident. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| It's going to take leadership, and it's going to take courage. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| And the commitment, and a contribution by all of us to do that. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| I've worked for the betterment of our country, both in war and peace, as a bomber pilot, as one who has been a businessman, and a United States senator, working to make this nation the fairest and the strongest and the most powerful in the world. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Help us bring America to a new era of greatness. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| The debate has been ours, but the decision is yours. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | Claim | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| God bless you. | Lloyd M. Bentsen | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| (Applause) | Lloyd M. Bentsen | O | 1988 | 05 Oct 1984 |
| Good evening. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| On behalf of the Commission on Presidential Debates I am pleased to welcome you to this first presidential debate of the 1988 campaign. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I'm Jim Lehrer of the McNeil-Lehrer News Hour. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| My colleagues on the panel are John Mashek of The Atlanta Journal-Constitution; Ann Groer of The Orlando Sentinel; and Peter Jennings of ABC News. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| For the next 90 minutes we will be questioning the candidates for president of the United States following a format designed and agreed to by representatives of the two candidates. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| The candidates are Vice President George Bush, the Republican nominee; Governor Michael Dukakis, the Democratic nominee. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| (Applause) | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Our questions this evening will be about equally divided between foreign and domestic policy matters. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| The first question by agreement between the two candidates goes to Vice President Bush. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| It is a domestic question. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| You have two minutes for an answer, sir. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| The polls say the number one domestic issue to a majority of voters is drugs. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| What is there about these times that drives or draws so many Americans to use drugs? | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I think we've seen a deterioration of values. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I think for a while as a nation we condoned those things we should have condemned. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| For a while, as I recall, it even seems to me that there was talk of legalizing or decriminalizing marijuana and other drugs, and I think that's all wrong. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| So we've seen a deterioration in values, and one of the things that I think we should do about it in terms of cause is to instill values into the young people in our schools. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| We got away, we got into this feeling that value- free education was the thing. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And I don't believe that at all I do believe there are fundamental rights and wrongs as far as use. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And, of course, as far as the how we make it better, yes, we can do better on interdiction. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| But we've got to do a lot better on education, and we have to do, be tougher on those who commit crimes. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| We've got to get after the users more. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| We have to change this whole culture. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| You know, I saw a movie - "Crocodile Dundee." | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And I saw the cocaine scene treated with humor, as though this was a humorous little incident. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And it's bad. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Everybody ought to be in this thing. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Entertainment industry, people involved in the schools, education. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And it isn't a Republican or a Democrat or a liberal problem. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| But we have got to instill values in these young people. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And I have put forward a many-point drug program that includes what I would do as president of the United States; in terms of doing better on interdiction; and in terms of better in the neighborhoods. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| But I think we're all in this together, and my plea to the American people is values in the schools. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Governor, you have one minute to respond. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I agree with Mr. Bush that values are important. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| But it's important that our leaders demonstrate those values from the top. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| That means those of us who are elected to positions of political leadership have to reflect those values ourselves. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Here we are with a government that's been dealing with a drug-running Panamanian dictator. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| We've been dealing with him; he's been dealing drugs to our kids. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Governors like me and others have been trying to deal with the consequences. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I remember being in a high school in my own state as we were organizing something we call the Governor's Alliance Against Drugs, and a young 16 year old girl coming up to me, desperate, addicted, dependent, saying, Governor, I need help. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| We're providing that young woman with help. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| But I want to be a president of the United States who makes sure that we never again do business with a drug-running Panamanian dictator, that we never again funnel aid to the contras through convicted drug dealers. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Values begin at the top, in the White House. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Those are the values I want to bring to the presidency and to the White House beginning in January of 1989. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Governor, a follow-up question. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| You have two minutes to answer it. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Are you suggesting, sir, that President Reagan is one of the causes of the drug problem in this country? | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I'm saying that those of us who are elected to positions of political leadership, Jim, have a special responsibility, not only to come up with programs, and I have outlined in detail the very important, very strong program of enforcement as well as drug education prevention. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And Mr. Bush is right - the two go hand in hand. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| But if our government itself is doing business with people who we know are engaged in drug profiteering and drug trafficking, if we don't understand that that sends out a very, very bad message to our young people, it's a little difficult for me to understand just how we can reach out to that youngster that I talked about and to young people like her all over the country, and say to them we want to help you. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Now, I've outlined in great detail a program for being tough on enforcement at home and abroad, doubling the number of drug enforcement agents, having a hemispheric summit soon after the 20th of January when we bring our democratic neighbors and allies together here in this hemisphere and go to work together. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| But we also have to take demand seriously. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| You know, we have five percent of the world's population in this country. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| We're consuming 50 percent of the world's cocaine. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Doing better in the neighborhoods. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| But I think we're all in this together, and my plea to the American people is values in the schools. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Governor, you have one minute to respond. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I agree with Mr. Bush that values are important. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| But it's important that our leaders demonstrate those values from the top. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| That means those of us who are elected to positions of political leadership have to reflect those values ourselves. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Here we are with a government that's been dealing with a drug-running Panamanian dictator. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| We've been dealing with him; he's been dealing drugs to our kids. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Governors like me and others have been trying to deal with the consequences. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I remember being in a high school in my own state as we were organizing something we call the Governor's Alliance Against Drugs, and a young 16 year old girl coming up to me, desperate, addicted, dependent, saying, Governor, I need help. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| We're providing that young woman with help. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| But I want to be a president of the United States who makes sure that we never again do business with a drug-running Panamanian dictator, that we never again funnel aid to the contras through convicted drug dealers. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Values begin at the top, in the White House. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Those are the values I want to bring to the presidency and to the White House beginning in January of 1989. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Governor, a follow-up question. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| You have two minutes to answer it. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Are you suggesting, sir, that President Reagan is one of the causes of the drug problem in this country? | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I'm saying that those of us who are elected to positions of political leadership, Jim, have a special responsibility, not only to come up with programs, and I have outlined in detail the very important, very strong program of enforcement as well as drug education prevention. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And Mr. Bush is right - the two go hand in hand. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| But if our government itself is doing business with people who we know are engaged in drug profiteering and drug trafficking, if we don't understand that that sends out a very, very bad message to our young people, it's a little difficult for me to understand just how we can reach out to that youngster that I talked about and to young people like her all over the country, and say to them we want to help you. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Now, I've outlined in great detail a program for being tough on enforcement at home and abroad, doubling the number of drug enforcement agents, having a hemispheric summit soon after the 20th of January when we bring our democratic neighbors and allies together here in this hemisphere and go to work together. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| But we also have to take demand seriously. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| You know, we have five percent of the world's population in this country. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| We're consuming 50 percent of the world's cocaine. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And in my state I'm proud to say we've organized a drug education and prevention program which the Federal Drug Enforcement Administration says is a model for the country. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| We're helping youngsters; we're reaching out to them. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And we're beginning with drug education and prevention beginning in the early elementary grades in every elementary school in our state, and that's the kind of effort we need in every elementary school in the United States of America. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And we've got to begin early, in the first, second and third grade, before our youngsters begin to experiment with these very, very dangerous substances. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I guess the question I would ask of Mr. Bush is how we instill those values, how we create this environment for the drug free schools that we want in this country. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| If he or representatives of the administration are either with or involving people like Noriega in our foreign policy, or don't pursue that connection in a way that makes it possible for us to cut it off and to be an example to our kids all over the country. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| A minute to rebut, Mr. Vice President. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Well, the other day my opponent was given a briefing by the CIA. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I asked for and received the same briefing. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I am very careful in public life about dealing with classified information. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And what I'm about to say is unclassified. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Seven administrations were dealing with Mr. Noriega. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| It was the Reagan-Bush administration that brought this man to justice. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And as the governor of Massachusetts knows, there was no evidence that governor - that Mr. Noriega was involved in drugs, no hard evidence until we indicted him. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And so I think it's about time we get this Noriega matter in perspective. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Panama is a friendly country. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I went down there and talked to the president of Panama about cleaning up their money laundering, and Mr. Noriega was there, but there was no evidence at that time, and when the evidence was there, we indicted him. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And we want to bring him to justice. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And so call off all those pickets out there that are trying to tear down seven different administrations. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| All right, the next question will be asked by John Mashek. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| It goes to Governor Dukakis, and you'll have two minutes to answer. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Governor Dukakis, another troublesome issue for voters this year is the bulging federal deficit. | MASHEK | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| In a Dukakis administration, you say taxes will be raised only as a last resort. | MASHEK | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Would you identify for us then please three specific programs that you are willing to cut to bring that deficit down? | MASHEK | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Yes, I've been very specific about those, John. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And let me lay out for you my own strategy for bring that deficit down, because as a chief executive that's balanced ten budgets in a row, I've had to make those tough decisions and those tough choices. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| First, I've suggested that there are certain weapons systems which we don't need and we can't afford. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Mr. Bush has been critical of me for that, but I think those are the kinds of tough choices you have to make. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I've also suggested that there are weapons systems that we should proceed on, and I've outlined those in detail. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Secondly, we've got to invest in economic growth in this country, in every part of this country. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Building that kind of growth expands revenues and helps to bring down that deficit. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Thirdly, we have to bring interest rates down, and we will as we come up with a good, solid plan with the Congress for bringing that deficit down. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And, finally, we've got to go out there and collect billions and billions of dollars in taxes owed that aren't being paid to this country. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| It's very unfair to the average taxpayer who pays his taxes and pays them on time to permit these monies to go uncollected. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I've also suggested that on the domestic side there are areas where we can make some cuts. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| We ought to be able to come up with an agricultural policy in this country that gives our farm families a fair price and a decent future without spending $20-25 billion a year, which is what we've been doing under this administration. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| We can help people to live better lives, and at the same time save money by helping hundreds of thousands of families on welfare to get off or welfare, and to become productive citizens again. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| The thing I don't understand about Mr. Bush's approach to this is how he could possibly be serious about bringing that deficit down given what he says he wants to do. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| He seems to want to spend a great deal of money on just about every weapon system; he says he's against new taxes, although he's broken that pledge at least times in the last year that I know of; he wants to give the wealthiest taxpayers in this country a five year, $40 billion tax break. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| He also wants to spend a lot of money on additional programs. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| If he keeps this up, he's going to be the Joe Isuzu of American politics. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| (Laughter) | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| But I hope you won't take my five seconds away from me. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I will say this - | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Your two minutes is up, Governor. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| If he's serious about what he's saying, then the only place he can go to balance that budget is to raid the Social Security Trust Fund, and he tried that in 1985, and I think he's going to try it again. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| You have a minute to rebut. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Is this the time to unleash our one-liners? | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| That answer was about as clear as Boston harbor. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| (Laughter) | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Let me help the governor. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| There are so many things there, I don't quite know where to begin. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| When you cut capital gains, you put people to work. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| John Kennedy proposed cutting capital gains. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Paul Tsongas, a liberal senator from Massachusetts said the dumbest thing I did was to oppose the capital gains cut. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| It's not going to cost the government money. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| It's going to increase revenues to the federal government, and it's going to create jobs. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| So that's one of the things that I think makes a big difference between us. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Massachusetts doesn't have an enormous defense budget, but nevertheless, the governor raised taxes five different times. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| That happens to be a fact. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And so let's kind of stay on the issue, and I have made a specific proposal for what I call a flexible freeze. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And it permits - economists on the East Coast and West think it's good - it permits the president to sort out the priorities, and we continue to grow because I will not raise taxes. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Your time is up, too. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| A follow-up, John. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Mr. Vice President, you have vowed not to raise taxes of any kind during your administration and at the same time you've proposed this capital gains cut, you've proposed more incentive breaks for the oil industry. | MASHEK | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| You've suggested new spending programs and even some Republicans say the flexible freeze you just spoke about will hardly make a dent in the deficit. | MASHEK | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Is the deficit no longer really a concern of yours, the Republican Party or the taxpayers? | MASHEK | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I think it's the Republican Party and my concern to bring it down. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And presidential leadership that I want to provide in this area will bring it down, but we've got to get the Democrats - Congress under control. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| They do all the spending, they appropriate every dime and tell us how to spend every dime. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I'd like to ask the Governor to join in getting for the president what 43 governors have, the line-item veto. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| He has to operate in Massachusetts under a balanced budget proviso. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I would like a balanced budget amendment. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| But the dynamics of the economy - we cut the taxes and revenues are up by 25 percent in three years. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| So the problem is - it's not that the working is being taxed too little or the person working out - the woman working in some factory being taxed too little. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| It is that we are continuing to spend too much. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| So, my formula says grow at the rate of inflation. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Permit the president to set the priorities on where we do the spending. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And remember the Federal deficit has come down $70 billion in one year, in 1987. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And if we - and the - actually this year Congress is doing a little better in controlling the growth of spending. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Spending was only up something like 4 percent. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| So, it isn't that we're taking too little - from taxpayer - we're spending too much still. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And the formula I've given you works, we've put it through a good economic model, we've got good economists on the West Coast, Michael Boskin and Marty Feldstein up there who's a very respected economist in the - Massachusetts. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And they agree, that if we can do what I've said, we can get it down without going and socking the American taxpayer once again. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Capital gains, one more point on that, please let's learn from history. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| A capital gains differential will increase jobs, increase risk taking, increase revenues to the Federal Government. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Governor, you have a minute to rebut. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Well, I hope all of those Americans out there who are watching us, listening to us and trying to make up their mind about which one of us ought to be president of the United States listen to the Vice President very carefully. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| What he's proposing after over a trillion in new debt which has been added in the Federal debt in the course of the past eight years, an IOU our children and grandchildren will be paying for years, is a tax cut for the wealthiest one percent of the people in this country, an average of about $30,000 that we're going to give to people making $200,000 a year. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Why that's more than the average teacher makes. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| We've had enough of that, ladies and gentlemen. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| We've run up more debt in the last eight years than under all the presidents from George Washington to Jimmy Carter combined. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| It's time for a chief executive who can make tough choices, can work with the Congress, can get that deficit down and begin to build a strong fiscal foundation under this country. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| All right, the next question will be asked by Anne Groer and it will go the Vice President. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| You have two minutes to answer, sir. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Mr. Vice President, you've said you want a kinder, gentler presidency, one that helps the less fortunate. | GROER | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Today, 37 million Americans including many working families with aging parents and young children cannot afford any health insurance, but earn too much to qualify for Medicaid. | GROER | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| What will you do to provide protection for them and how will you pay for it? | GROER | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| One thing I will not do is sock every business in the country and, thus, throw some people out of work. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I want to keep this economic recovery going. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| More Americans at work today than any time in history, a greater percentage of the work force. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| What I will do is permit people to buy into Medicaid. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I believe that's the answer. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I am proud to have been part of an administration that past the first catastrophic health bill. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And in that there are some Medicaid provisions that will be very helpful to the very kind of people we're talking about here. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| But we've got to keep going forward without killing off the engine and throwing people out of work. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| So, the answer lies, it seems to me, in full enforcement of the catastrophic program. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| It lies to me in flexibility in Medicaid so people at the lowest end can buy in there and get their needs covered and then it also - I do not want to see us mandate across the board that every company has to do this, because I really think that marginal operators are going to go say, "We can't make it." | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And I think then you're going to see that people are put out of work. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| All these programs - and this cost on his - is - was - I saw an estimate, I'd love to know what he thinks, $35 - $40 billion - and it seems to me that somebody pays that. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| There isn't any such thing as something free out there. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| It either gets passed along as increased prices or it gets passed along by people being put out of work so the business can continue to compete. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| So, I think we ought to do it in the Medicaid system. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I think we ought to do it by full enforcement of the catastrophic health insurance. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I think we ought to do it by everybody doing what they can do out of conscience. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| It's a terrible problems in terms of flexibility on private insurance. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| But I just don't want to mandate it and risk putting this - setting the recovery back. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| A rebuttal, Governor? | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| But, George, that's no answer. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| You don't like the answer, but it's an answer. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Well, no, it's no answer to those 37 million people, most of them members of working families who don't have a dime of health insurance and don't know how to pay the bills if their kids get sick at night. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I was in Houston on Tuesday meeting with a group of good citizens, working citizens. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| All of them with little or no health insurance. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| One of them was a father who had been laid off a few months ago and lost his health insurance. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Has an 11 year old son and can't let that son compete in sports and Little League, because he's afraid he's going to get hurt and he won't be able to provide health insurance to pay those bills. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| My state just became the only state in the nation to provide for universal health care and we did it with the support of the business community and labor and the health care community and with virtually everybody in the state. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| The fact of the matter is that employers who today are insuring their employees are paying the freight, because they're paying for those who aren't. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And I think it's time that when you got a job in this country it came with health insurance. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| That's the way we're going to provide basic health security for all of the citizens of this country of ours. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Follow-up, Anne? | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Yes. | GROER | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Since your Massachusetts health plan has been attacked by the Vice President and you have defended it in this way, I would like to move on to perhaps one of the most costly medical catastrophes facing Americans today and that is AIDS. | GROER | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| In - at the end of September, the thousands of AIDS patients will lose their access to AZT, which is the only Federally approved drug for treatment of the disease. | GROER | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Now, I'd like to now, sir, if - what your position is on extending that and what it is you think the government ought to be doing about making AZT and other drugs available to people who are suffering from this disease. | GROER | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Well, Anne, let me just say before I answer your question that I didn't know that the Vice President attacked our program in Massachusetts. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I hope he hasn't. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Because has won the support of a great many people all over the state and I think it's a model for what I hope we can do across the country. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| But when I proposed my plan this past Tuesday, he or one of his spokesmen called it socialized medicine. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| The last time the Vice President used that phrase, I suspect he remembers it, don't you? | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| It was in 1964 and that's what he called Medicare. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Well, he was wrong then and he's wrong now. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| (Applause) | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| If I may interrupt at this point and caution the audience as I did before we went on the air, please hold it down. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| You're only taking time away from your candidate when you do that. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Governor, continue, please. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Let me say this about AIDS. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| It's the single most important public health crisis, single most important public health emergency we've had in our lifetimes and I think there are a number of things we have to do including supporting legislation which is now moving through the Congress, which will commit this nation to the resources to find a cure which will provide broad education and prevention, which will provide sensitive and caring treatment for the victims of AIDS. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I think we have to demonstrate some flexibility and I think the FDA is attempting to do so now in trying to make it possible for new and experimental drugs to be available to people who are at risk at AIDS and I would hope that we could bring that kind of a policy to bear beginning in January. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And I would encourage the current administration to proceed with that kind of flexibility where it's appropriate and where it's done carefully and responsibly. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| But we have not had the kind of leadership we should have had. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| In this particular area, I think the Vice President and I are in general agreement on what we have to do. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| The special Federal commission made good solid recommendations. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I think we're both supportive of them and I would strongly lead in that area as I have in my state as Governor. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Mr. Vice President, a minute of rebuttal. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Well, we're on the right track. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| The NIH is doing a good job in research. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| The Surgeon General is doing a good job in encouraging the proper kind of education. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I notice that the Governor did not mention any testing. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| But we got to have a knowledge base. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Testing should be confidential, but we have to have a knowledge. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| We can't simply stick our heads in the sands in terms of testing. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I'm Chairman of the President's Task Force on Regulatory Relief and we are working with the FDA and they have sped up bringing drugs to market that can help. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And you got to be careful here, because there's a safety factor, but I think these things - and then also I am one who believes we've got to go the extra mile in clean - being sure that that blood supply is pure. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| We cannot have a lack of confidence in the blood supply when it comes to operations and surgery and things of this nature. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| So, research, speeding the drugs to market, testing, blood supply are very important elements of this. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Next question will be asked by Peter Jennings. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| It goes to the Governor. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Good evening, Mr. Vice President, Governor. | JENNINGS | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Governor, one theme that keeps coming up about the way you govern - you've both mentioned leadership tonight, so I'd like to stay with that for a second. | JENNINGS | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| The theme that keeps coming up about the way you govern is passionless, technocratic - | JENNINGS | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Passionless? | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Passionless, technocratic, the smartest clerk in the world. | JENNINGS | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Your critics maintain that in the 1960's your public passion was not the war in Vietnam or civil rights, but no fault auto insurance. | JENNINGS | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And they say in the 1970's you played virtually no role in the painful busing crisis in Boston. | JENNINGS | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Given the fact that a president must sometimes lead by sheer inspiration and passion. | JENNINGS | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| We need to know if this is a fair portrait of your governing or if it is a stereotype. | JENNINGS | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And if it isn't fair, give us an example of where you have had that passion and leadership that sometimes a president needs? | JENNINGS | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Mr. Vice President, a rebuttal. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Well, I don't question his passion. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I question - and I don't question his concern about the war in Vietnam. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| He introduced or supported legislation back then that suggested that kids of Massachusetts should be exempt from going overseas in that war. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Now, that's a certain passion that in my view it's misguided passion. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| He - we have a big difference on issues. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| You see, last year in the primary, he expressed his passion. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| He said, "I am a strong liberal Democrat" - August, '87. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Then he said, "I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU." | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| That was what he said. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| He is out there on out of the mainstream. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| He is very passionate. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| My argument with the governor is, do we want this country to go that far left. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And I wish we had time to let me explain. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| But I salute him for his passion. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| We just have a big difference on where this country should be led, and in what direction it ought to go. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| (Applause) | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Peter, a question? | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Question for the vice president, Peter. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I'd actually like to follow up if I may on this mention you've made of his card carrying membership in the American Civil Liberties Union. | JENNINGS | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| You've used the phrase "card carrying" so many times since Governor Dukakis first acknowledged that he was a card carrying member of the ACLU that some people have come to believe that you've used it to brand him in some way, to identify him as people were identified in the 1950's as less than patriotic. | JENNINGS | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I'd like to know why you keep repeating the phrase, and what's the important issue here? | JENNINGS | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| What is so wrong with the governor being a member of an organization which has come to the defense of, among other people, Colonel Oliver North? | JENNINGS | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Nothings wrong with it. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| But just take a look at the positions of the ACLU. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| But, Peter, please understand, the liberals do not like me talking about liberal They don't like it when I say that he says he's a card carrying member. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Now, if that quote was wrong, he can repudiate it, right here. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I've seen it authoritatively written twice, and if I've done him an injustice, and he didn't say it, I'm very, very sorry. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| But I don't agree with a lot of - most of the positions of the ACLU. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I simply don't want to see the ratings on movies. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I don't want my ten year old grandchild to go into an X-rated movie. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I like those ratings systems. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I don't think they're right to try to take the tax exemption away from the Catholic Church. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I don't want to see the kiddie pornographic laws repealed; I don't want to see "under God" come out from our currency. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Now, these are all positions of the ACLU. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And I don't agree with them. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| He has every right to exercise his passion, as what he said, a strong, progressive liberal. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I don't agree with that. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I come from a different point. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And I think I'm more in touch with the mainstream of America. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| They raised the same thing with me on the Pledge of Allegiance. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| You see, I'd have found a way to sign that bill. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Governor Thompson of Illinois did. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I'm not questioning his patriotism. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| He goes out and says the man is questioning my patriotism. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And then all the liberal columnists join in. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I am not. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I am questioning his judgment on these matters, or where he's coming from He has every right to do it. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| But I believe that's not what the American people want, and when he said, when he said at the convention, ideology doesn't matter, just competence, he was moving away from his own record, from what his passion has been over the years. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And that's all I'm trying to do, is put it in focus. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And I hope people don't think that I'm questioning his patriotism when I say he used his words to describe his participation in that organization. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Governor, a response. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Well, I hope this is the first and last time I have to say this. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Of course, the vice president is questioning my patriotism. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I don't think there's any question about that, and I resent it. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I resent it. | Michael S. Dukakis | NaN | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| My parents came to this country as immigrants. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| They taught me that this was the greatest country in the world. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I'm in public service because I love this country. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I believe in it. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And nobody's going to question my patriotism as the vice president has now repeatedly. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| The fact of the matter is if the Pledge of Allegiance was the acid test of one's patriotism--the vice president's been the presiding officer in the United States Senate for the past seven and a half years. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| To the best of my knowledge he's never once suggested that a session of the Senate begin with the Pledge of Allegiance. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| (Applause) | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Mr. Bush, I don't question your patriotism. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| When you're attacked for your military record, I immediately said it was inappropriate, it had no place in this campaign, and I rejected it. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I would hope that from this point on, we get to the issues that affect the vast majority of Americans, jobs, schools, health care, housing, the environment. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Those are the concerns of the people that are watching us tonight. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Not labels that we attach to each other, questions about each other's patriotism and loyalty. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| The time is up, governor. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Let's go now to John Mashek, again. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| A question for the vice president. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Mr. Vice President, in a debate during the Republican primaries, you said most of the nation's homeless are suffering from mental illness, an assertion immediately challenged by one of your rivals. | MASHEK | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Estimates of the homeless range from a low of 250,000 by the government, to around three million, including working families and their children. | MASHEK | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| What commitment are you willing to make tonight to this voiceless segment of our society? | MASHEK | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I want to see the McKinney Act fully funded. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I believe that that would help in terms of shelter. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I want to see - when I talked at our convention about a thousand points of light, I was talking about the enormous numbers of shelters and organizations that help. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| The governor's wife has been very active in the homeless. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| My campaign chairman, Secretary Jim Baker's wife. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| This isn't government. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| These are people that care, that are trying to give of themselves. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| The government has a role. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| It is to fully fund the McKinney Act. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| There are certain army bases that the act calls for that can be used in certain cases to shelter people when it's rough. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And so I think that we're on the right track. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I don't see this, incidentally, as a Democrat or a Republican or a liberal or conservative idea. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I see an involvement by a thousand points of light. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I see the funding that is required, and I hope the Congress will fully fund this bill. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| They gave it a great deal of conscience and a great deal of work. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And we're on the track on this one. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| But - and I, look, mental - that was a little overstated it. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I'd say around 30 percent. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And I think maybe we could look back over our shoulders and wonder whether it was right to let all those mental patients out. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Maybe we need to do a better job in mental clinics to help them. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Because there is a major problem there. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| A lot of them are mentally sick. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And we've got to attend to them. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| But fully, my short range answer is fully fund that McKinney Act. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Governor, a response. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Well, this is another fundamental difference that I have with the vice president, just as I do in the case of health care for 37 million members of working families in this country who don't have health insurance. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| The problem, Mr. Bush, is that you've cut back by 90 percent on our commitment to affordable housing for families of low and moderate income. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And when you do that, you've have homeless families. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| We didn't have two and a half million, or three million homeless people living on streets and in doorways in this country ten years ago. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| We've got to begin to get back to the business of building and rehabilitating housing for families of low and moderate income in this country; housing for young families that they can look forward some day to buy. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| We've got communities in this country increasingly where our own kids can't afford to live in the communities that they grew up in. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| That's an essential commitment. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And I think the housing community is ready. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| But it's going to take a president who's committed to housing, who's had experience in building and rehabilitating housing who understands that affordable housing for families of low and moderate income, for young families, first time home buyers, is an essential part of the American dream. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And while I'm all for the McKinney bill, that, by itself, simply won't do. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| We've got to have a president that can lead on this issue, that can work with the Congress, and I'm prepared to do so. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| This is one of the most important priorities that faces this country. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| John, a question for the governor. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Governor, you've mentioned the American dream of home ownership, and it's certainly become an impossible one for many of the young people of our nation who are caught up in this economic squeeze of the middle class, as you've said so frequently during the campaign. | MASHEK | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And yet in spite of your answer just a few minutes ago, what promise can you realistically hold out to these people that with the costs of housing going up, and with limited help available from Washington, are we destined to become a nation of renters? | MASHEK | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Well, I certainly hope not. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And it's all a question of what our priorities are. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Mr. Bush talked about values. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I agree with him. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| What are our values? | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Isn't providing housing for families of low and moderate income, isn't it making possible for young families, first time home buyers to own their own home some day something that's part of the American dream? | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I think so. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| You know, back after World War II when we had hundreds of thousands of GIs who came back from the war, we didn't sit around. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| We went out and built housing. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| The government was very much involved; so was the housing industry; so was the banking industry; so were housing advocates; so were non-profit agencies; so were governors and mayors and people all over this country who believe deeply in home ownership and affordable housing. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Now, that's the kind of leadership that I want to provide as president of the United States. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| This isn't a question of a little charity for the homeless. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| This is a question of organizing the housing community. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I've talked to bankers and builders and developers, the housing advocates, community development agencies, and they want leadership from Washington. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Washington, by itself, can't do it all. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| We shouldn't expect that. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| But governors are ready; mayors are ready. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Builders and community leaders are ready. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| It will require some funds, John. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And we ought to be prepared to provide those funds. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| But that, too, will require some choices. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Mr. Bush wants to spend billions and trillions on Star Wars. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Well, that's a choice we have to make, isn't it? | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Do we spend money on that weapon system in the billions and trillions, or is providing some decent and affordable housing for families of this country something that is at least as important and probably more so. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Because it's so essential to our economic strength and to our future. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Now, that's the kind of presidency I believe in. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And simply to say, well, the McKinney bill will do it just doesn't do. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| We need a president who will lead on this issue, who has had experience on this issue. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| It's the kind of priority that will be at the top of our list beginning in January of 1989. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| A response, Mr. Vice President. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I think the governor is blurring housing and the homeless. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Let's talk about housing which the question was. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| When you talk to those bankers, did they discuss where interest rates were when your party controlled the White House? | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Ten days before I took the oath of office as president they were 21 and a half percent. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Now, how does that grab you for increasing housing? | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Housing is up. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| We are serving a million more families now. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| But we're not going to do it in that old Democratic, liberal way of trying to build more bricks and mortars. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Go out and take a look at St. Louis at some of that effort. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| It is wrong. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I favor home ownership. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I want to see more vouchers. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I want to see control of some of these projects, and I want to keep the interest rates down. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| They're half, now of what they were when we came into office, and with my policy of getting this deficit under control, they'll be a lot less. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| But if we spend and spend and spend, that is going to wrap up the housing market, and we'll go right back to the days of the misery index and malaise that President Reagan and I have overcome - thank God for the United States on that one. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| All right, the next question is to the governor. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Ann Groer will ask it. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Governor Dukakis, is there a conflict between your opposition to the death penalty and your support for abortion on demand, even though in the minds of many people, that's also killing? | GROER | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| No, I don't think there is. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| There are two very different issues here, and they've got to be dealt with separately. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I'm opposed to the death penalty. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I think everybody knows that. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I'm also very tough on violent crime. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And that's one of the reasons why my state has cut crime by more than any other industrial state in America. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| It's one of the reasons why we have the lowest murder rate of any industrial state in the country. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| It's one of the reasons why we have a drug education and prevention program that is reaching out and helping youngsters all over our state, the kind of thing I want to do as president of the United States. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| You know, the vice president says he wants to impose the death penalty on drug traffickers, and yet his administration has a federal furlough program which is one of the most permissive in the country, which gave last year 7,000 furloughs to drug traffickers and drug pushers, the same people that he says he now wants to execute. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| The issue of abortion is a very difficult issue, one that I think that we all have to wrestle with, we have to come to terms with. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I don't favor abortion. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I don't think it's a good thing. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I don't think most people do. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| The question is who makes the decision. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And I think it has to be the woman, in the exercise of her own conscience and religious beliefs, that makes that decision. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Response, Mr. Vice President. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Well, the Massachusetts furlough program was unique. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| It was the only one in the nation that furloughed murderers who had not served enough time to be eligible for parole. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| The federal program doesn't do that. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| No other state programs do that. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And I favor the death penalty. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I know it's tough and honest people can disagree. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| But when a narcotics wrapped up guy goes in and murders a police officer, I think they ought to pay with their life. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And I do believe it would be inhibiting. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And so I am not going to furlough men like Willie Horton, and I would meet with their, the victims of his last escapade, the rape and the brutalization of the family down there in Maryland. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Maryland would not extradite Willie Horton, the man who was furloughed, the murderer, because they didn't want him to be furloughed again. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And so we have a fundamental difference on this one. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And I think most people know my position on the sanctity of life. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I favor adoption. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I do not favor abortion. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Question for the vice president, Ann? | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Yes. | GROER | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Mr. Vice President, I'd like to stay with abortion for just a moment if I might. | GROER | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Over the years you have expressed several positions, while opposing nearly all forms of government payment for it. | GROER | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| You now say that you support abortion only in cases of rape, incest, or threat to a mother's life, and you also support a constitutional amendment that if ratified would outlaw most abortions. | GROER | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| But if abortions were to become illegal again, do you think that the women who defy the law and have them anyway, as they did before it was okayed by the Supreme Court, and the doctors who perform them should go to jail? | GROER | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I haven't sorted out the penalties. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| But I do know, I do know that I oppose abortion. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And I favor adoption. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And if we can get this law changed, everybody should make the extraordinary effort to take these kids that are unwanted and sometimes aborted, take the - let them come to birth, and then put them in a family where they will be loved. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And you see, yes, my position has evolved. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And it's continuing to evolve, and it's evolving in favor of life. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And I have had a couple of exceptions that I support - rape, incest and the life of the mother. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Sometimes people feel a little uncomfortable talking about this, but it's much clearer for me now. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| As I've seen abortions sometimes used as a birth control device, for heavens sakes. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| See the millions of these killings accumulate, and this is one where you can have an honest difference of opinion. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| We certainly do. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| But no, I'm for the sanctity of life, and once that illegality is established, then we can come to grips with the penalty side, and of course there's got to be some penalties to enforce the law, whatever they may be. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Governor. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Well, I think what the vice president is saying is that he's prepared to brand a woman a criminal for making this decision. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| It's as simple as that. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I don't think it's enough to come before the American people who are watching us tonight and say, well, I haven't sorted it out. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| This is a very, very difficult and fundamental decision that all of us have to make. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And what he is saying, if I understand him correctly, is that he's prepared to brand a woman a criminal for making this choice. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I just - | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Let me finish. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Let me simply say that I think it has to be the woman in the exercise of her own conscience and religious beliefs that makes that decision, and I think that's the right approach, the right decision, and I would hope by this time that Mr. Bush had sorted out this issue and come to terms with it as I have. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I respect his right to disagree with me. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| But I think it's important that we have a position, that we take it, and we state it to the American people. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Peter Jennings, a question for the vice president. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Mr. Vice President, I'm struck by your discussion of women and the sanctity of life. | JENNINGS | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And it leads me to recall your own phrase, that you are haunted by the lives which children in our inner cities live. | JENNINGS | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Certainly the evidence is compelling. | JENNINGS | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| There's an explosion of single parent families. | JENNINGS | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And by any measure, these single parent families, many with unwanted children, are the source of poverty, school drop outs, crime, which many people in the inner city simply feel is out of control. | JENNINGS | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| If it haunts you so, why over the eight years of the Reagan-Bush administration have so many programs designed to help the inner cities been eliminated or cut? | JENNINGS | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| One of the reasons, and I first would like to know which programs you're talking about, and then we could talk on the merits of the programs. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| But, you see, my fundamental philosophy is give local and state government as much control as possible. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| That might be the explanation, if you tell me the program. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I do strongly support the WIC program. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I think it is good. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I think part of the answer to this haunting of these children that are out there and suffering lies in extension of Medicaid, to challenge the states, and maybe we're going to have to enforce more on the states in terms of Medicaid taking care of these. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| But, Peter, so much of it is, gets into a whole other phase of things. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| The neighborhood, the kind of environment people are growing up in, and that leads me to the programs I'm talking about in terms of education. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I think that part of it is the crime infested neighborhoods, and that's why I'm a strong believer in trying to control crimes in the neighborhood, why I was so pleased to be endorsed by the policemen on the beat, the Boston Police Department the other day. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I think they understand my commitment to helping them in the neighborhoods. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And so it's a combination of these things. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| But do not erode out of the system the thousand points of light. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| The people that are out there trying to help these kids, the programs like cities and schools, the work that Barbara Bush is doing so people can learn to read in this country and then go on and break this cycle of poverty. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I'm for Head Start and moving that up. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And I've already made a proposal - and yes, it will cost some money. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| But I favor that. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| So these are the combination of things I want, and the fact that I don't think the federal government can endorse a $35 billion program does not mean I have less compassion than the person who endorses such a program. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Governor. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Well, I must have been living through a different eight years then the ones the vice president's been living through, because this administration has cut and slashed and cut and slashed programs for children, for nutrition, for the kinds of things that can help these youngsters to live better lives. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| It's cut federal aid to education; it's cut Pell grants and loans to close the door to college opportunity on youngsters all over this country. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And that, too, is a major difference between the vice president and me. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Let me just give you one other example. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| We have a great many people, hundreds of thousands of people living on public assistance in this country. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| The 50 governors of this nation have proposed to the Congress that we help those families to get off of welfare, help those youngsters, help their mothers to become independent and self-sufficient. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| It's taken months and months and months to get Mr. Bush and the administration to support that legislation, and they're still resisting. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| That's the way you help people. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Being haunted, a thousand points of light - I don't know what that means. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I know what strong political leadership is. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I know what's happened over the course of the past eight years. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| These programs have been cut and slashed and butchered, and they've hurt kids all over this country. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| A question for the governor, Peter. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Governor, the crisis is no less a crisis for you if you are elected president. | JENNINGS | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Where would you get the money to devote to the inner cities which is clearly needed. | JENNINGS | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And can you be specific about the programs not only you'd reinstate, but the more imaginative ones that you'd begin. | JENNINGS | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Well, I said a few minutes ago, Peter, that you could improve the lives of families and youngsters and save money at the same time. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Welfare reform is one way to do it. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| If we invest in job training, in child care for those youngsters, in some extended health benefits so that that mother and her kids don't lose their health benefits when she goes to work, we can help literally hundreds of thousands, if not millions of families, to get off of welfare, to become independent and self-sufficient, to be taxpaying citizens, and to improve their lives, the quality of lives, their futures, and the futures of those children. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| That's just one example of how you can save money and improve the quality of life at the same time. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| In my own state, for example, we now have that universal health care system, which the vice president opposes, I think very unwisely. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| One of the greatest barriers to opportunity for a family and for those children is the threat that they mat lose their health insurance. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Think about that father down there in Houston who has to tell his youngster that he can't play little league ball that he can't go out on the ball field because he's afraid he's going to get hurt. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And yet, Mr. Bush says well, I don't think we ought to expect business to provide health insurance for their employees, when responsible employers, a majority of employers in this country do and are paying more for their insurance to reimburse hospitals for free care on account of people that are not insured, that have to go to that hospital. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| So these are the ways that you help families, you help youngsters to live better lives, and more decent lives. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Were ready to go to work at the state and local level, all of us. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I know the private sector is. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| People are all over the country. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| But it takes presidential leadership. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| It takes a commitment to being involved and the leading. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And that's the kind of presidency I want to lead. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Mr. Vice President. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| What troubles me is that when I talk of the voluntary sector and a thousand points of light and a thousand different ways to help on these problems, the man has just said he doesn't understand what I'm talking about. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| This is the problem I have with the big spending liberals. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| They think the only way to do it is for the federal government to do it all. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| The fact happens to be that education spending is up by the federal government; it is up. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| It is not down. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| But here's the point he misses. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| The federal government spends seven percent of the total on education, and the rest of the state governments and local governments and the thousand points of lightened I'm talking about private schools and private church schools and things of this nature--are putting up 93 percent. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| But the federal spending for education is up, and I want to be the education president, because I want to see us do better. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| We're putting more money per child into education, and we are not performing as we should. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| We've gotten away fro values and the fundamentals. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And I would like to urge the school superintendents and the others around the country to stand up now and keep us moving forward on a path towards real excellence. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And we can do it. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| But itπs not going to be dedicated by some federal bureaucracy in Washington, D.C. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| All right, let's move now to some questions on foreign and national security policy. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| John Mashek will ask the first question of the governor. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Governor, the vice president continually refers to your lack of experience, weakness, naivete on foreign policy and national security matters. | MASHEK | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| He says you are prepared to eliminate weapons system that will result in the unilateral disarmament of this country. | MASHEK | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Is that true? | MASHEK | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Of course not. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Of course that's a charge that's always made against any governor who runs for the presidency. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I think it was one of the things that Mr. Bush said about Mr. Reagan back in 1980. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Remember that, George? | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And yet some of our finest presidents, some of our strongest international leaders were governors-Franklin Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, Theodore Roosevelt. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Its not the amount of time you spend in Washington. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| It's not the length of your resume. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| It's your strength, it's your values, it's the quality of the people you pick. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| It's your understanding of the forces of change that are sweeping the world, and whether or not you're in a position to provide leadership to make those forces of change work for us and not against us. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| The vice president has a long resume. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| But it didn't stop him from endorsing the sale of arms to the Ayatollah. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And we now know that he was not out of the loop; he was in meeting after meeting listening to Secretary Shultz and Secretary Weinberger opposing that, and yet he supported it. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| His experience didn't prevent him from participating or involving or in some way being involved in the relationship between this government and Mr. Noriega and drug trafficking in Panama. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| He went to Philippines in the early 80Ï€s and commended Ferdinand Macros for his commitment to democracy. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And he continues to support a failed policy in Central America which is getting worse and worse, and which has in fact increased Cuban and Soviet influence in that region. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| So I don't believe that the fact you've got that long resume or had that experience is the real question. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| The question is values; the question is strength, the question is your willingness to provide the kind of leadership that must be provided. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I'm ready to provide that leadership. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I want to be the commander in chief of this country. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I think it take fresh leadership now, and an understanding of those forces of change to provide the kind of strength that we need, and perhaps the vice president can explain what he was doing when he supported the trading of arms to terrorist nation, and his involvement in Panama and that endorsement of Mr. Macros. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| But I don't think it's just experience that makes the difference. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| It's strength; it's values. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Mr. Vice President. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Well, I thought the question was about defense. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| The governor was for a nuclear freeze that would have locked in a thousand Soviet intermediate nuclear force weapons and zero for the West. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And because we didn't listen to the freeze advocates, and strengthen the defense of this country, we now have the first arms control agreement in the nuclear age. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Now, we're sitting down and talking to the Soviets about strategic arms, and he wants to do away with the Midgetman and the MX, the modernization or our nuclear capability. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| That is not the way you deal with the Soviets. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I've met Mr. Gorbachev. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Met Mr. Shevardnadze and talked substance with him the other day. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| These people are tough. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| But now we have a chance. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I few have experience and now how to handle it, but please do not go back to the days when the military was as weak as they could be, when the morale was down, and when we were the laughing stock around the world. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And now we are back, because we have strengthened the defenses of this country, and believe me, I don't want to see us return to those days. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| As to Ferdinand Marcos, he isn't there any more. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| It was under our administration that Mrs. Aquino came in. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| But I'll tell you what I was thinking of. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I flew a combat mission, my last one was over Manila. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And he was down there fighting against imperialism. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And he had just- | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Mr. Vice President | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And he just lifted martial law. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And he just called for new elections. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And all of those things happened because the Philippines do crave democracy. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And out he goes. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Mr. Vice President, your time is up. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| John, a question for the vice president. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Mr. Vice President, the governor has suggested that you've never met a weapons system that you didn't like or want. | MASHEK | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Are you prepared to tell the voters one system in this time of tight budgetary restraints and problems at the Pentagon that you'd be willing to cut or even eliminate that wouldn't endanger national security? | MASHEK | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I don't think it's a question of eliminating. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I can tell him some I'm against. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| A-6F, for example. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| DIVAD. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And I can go on and on. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Minuteman III, penetration systems. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I mean, there's plenty of them that I oppose, but what I am not going to do, when we are negotiating with the Soviet Union, sitting down talking to Mr. Gorbachev about how we achieve a 50 percent reduction in our strategic weapons, I'm not going to give away a couple of aces I that very tough card game. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I'm simply not going to do that. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And under me, when I lead this country, the secretary of defense is going to have to make the choices, between how we keep, how we protect the survivability of our nuclear deployment on the Midgetman missile, or on the Minuteman, whatever it is. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| We're going to have to-the MX. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| We're going to have to do that. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| It's Christmas. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| (Laughter) | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Wouldn't it be nice to be perfect? | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I hope it isn't Christmas when you make that decision. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| wouldn't it be nice to be the ice man so you never make a mistake? | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| These are the-my answer is do not make these unilateral cuts, and everybody now realizes that peace through strength works, and so this is where I have a big difference. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Of course we're going to have to make some determination on this, and we're going to have to make it on the convention forces. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| But now we've got a very good concept called competitive strategies. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| We will do what we do best. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| It's a strategy that we've been working on for a couple of years. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| It is going to take us to much better advantage in conventional forces. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| But look, let me sum it up. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I want to be the president that gets conventional forces balance. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I want to be the one to banish chemical and biological weapons from the face of the earth. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| But you have to have a little bit of experience to know where to start. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And I think I've had that. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Governor? | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Well, first let me say with respect to the freeze, that back in the spring of 1982 Mr. Bush was a lot more sympathetic to the freeze than he seems to be today. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| As a matter of fact, he said it was not and should not be subject to partisan demagoguery because it was too important for the United States or for the world. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I didn't hear, John, exactly where he was going to cut and what he was going to do. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| But I know this, we have serious financial problems in this country. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| We've piled up over a trillion dollars in debt and the next president of the United States is going to have to make some choices. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Mr. Bush wants to spend billions on Star Wars. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| He apparently wants to spend billions on the MX on railroad cars, a weapons system we don't need and can't afford. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I thought the administration was opposed to the Midgetman. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I thought the administration was at the negotiating table in Geneva suggesting that we ban mobile missile systems entirely. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| But those are the choices the next president of the United States is going to have to make. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I'm for the Stealth, I'm for the D-5, I'm for going ahead with the advance Cruise missile. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| But I don't think we need these other systems. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I don't think we need them to remain strong. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| We've got to move ahead with the strategic arms negotiation process, with the comprehensive test ban treaty and with negotiations leading to conventional force reduction in Europe with deeper cuts on the Soviet side and Senator Bentsen and I will pursue that policy. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Anne Groer, a question for the Vice President. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Well, Mr. Vice President, you said you've met with Secretary General Gorbachev, you've met with Mr. Shevardnadze, but for the last forty years Americans have been taught to regard the Soviet Union as the enemy. | GROER | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Yet, President Reagan has signed two arms control treaties and he's promised to share Star Wars technology with the very country he once called the evil empire. | GROER | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| So, perhaps you can tell us this evening, should we be doing a lot to help the economics and the social development of a country that we have so long regarded as an adversary? | GROER | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| What I think we ought to do is take a look at perestroika and glasnost, welcome them, but keep our eyes open. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Be cautious. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Because the Soviet change is not fully established yet. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Yes, I think it's fine to do business with them. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And, so, I'm encouraged with what I see when I talk to Mr. -- what I hear when I talk to Mr. Gorbachev and Mr. Shevardnadze, but can they pull it off. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And when they have a --they a --deals that are good for us, as China started to do--the changes in China since Barbara and I lived there is absolutely amazing, in terms of incentive, in partnership and things of this nature. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And now the Soviet Union seems to be walking down that same path. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| We should encourage that. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| We ought to say this is good. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| But where I differ with my opponent is I am not going to make unilateral cuts in our strategic defend systems or support some freeze when they have superiority. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I'm not going to do that, because I think the jury is still out on the Soviet experiment. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And the interesting place-one of the things that fascinates me about this perestroika and glasnost is wheats going to happen in Eastern Europe. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| You see the turmoil in Poland today. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And I think we have enormous opportunity for trade. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I don't want to go back to the Carter grain embargo on the Soviets. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| We are once again reliable suppliers and I would never use food as a political tool like our predecessors did. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| But this is an exciting time. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| But all I'm suggesting is let's not be naïve in dealing with the Soviets and make a lot of unilateral cuts hoping against hope that they will match our bid. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Look at the INF treaty. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And if we haven't learned from the negotiating history on that, we'll never learn. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| The freeze people were wrong. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| The Reagan-Bush administration was right. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Governor Dukakis. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| It was a very different George Bush who was talking much more sympathetically about the freeze in the spring of 1982 than he is today. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And you were right then, George, when you said it was no time for partisan demagoguery. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Nobody is suggesting that we unilaterally disarm or somehow reduce our strength, of course not. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| What we're talking about is a combination of a strong and effective and credible nuclear deterrent. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Strong, well-equipped, well-trained, well-maintained conventional forces. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And at the same time a willingness to move forward steadily, thoughtfully cautiously. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| We have serious differences with the Soviet Union. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| We have very fundamental differences about human rights, democracy and our basic system, our basic view of human beings and of what life is all about. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| But there are opportunities there now. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Senator Bentsen and I have a plan for the 1990Ï€s and beyond. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Mr. Bush and Mr. Quayle do not. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And we want to pursue that plan in a way which will bring down the level of nuclear armament, will build a more stable and more peaceful world while making choices here at home. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Let's not forget that our national security and our economic security go hand in hand. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| We cannot be strong militarily when we're teeter-tottering on top of a mountain of debt which has been created in the past eight years. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| That's why we need a Democratic administration in Washington in 1989. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| (Applause) | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Anne Groer, a question for the Governor. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Yes. | GROER | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Governor Dukakis, speaking of seeming changes of position, you have gone from calling the Strategic Defense Initiative, or Star Wars, a fantasy and a fraud, to saying recently that you would continue SDI research and might even deploy the system if Congress supported such a move. | GROER | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Why the change of heart? | GROER | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| No, there's been no change of heart. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I said from the beginning that we ought to continue research into the strategic system at about the level that was added in 1983, that's about a billion dollars a year. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| But I don't know of any reputable scientist who believed that this system, at least as originally conceived could possibly work, this notion of some kind of astrodome over ourselves that could protect us from enemy attack. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| It makes real sense. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And as a matter of fact, the system that the administration is now talking about is very different from the one that was originally proposed in 1983. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| So, I'm for continued research, but I also want strong conventional forces. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Now, the other day, Mr. Bush said, ≥Well, if we continue with Star War-Star Wars-we have to cut some place.≤ He hasn't told us where. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| We know where they're cutting. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| We know where you're cutting right now. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| You're cutting into the fiber and muscle of our conventional forces. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| You're cutting back on maintenance and equipment. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| An Air Force General not too long ago in Europe who said that pretty soon we'd have airplanes without engines, tank commanders who can't drive their tanks more than three-quarters of a mile, because they don't have enough fuel. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Coast Guard cutters tied up at the dock this summer, not patrolling. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| They're supposed to be our first line of defense against drugs and the war against drugs, because they don't have enough fuel. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| You have to make choices. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| We're not making those choices. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And to spend billions and billions of dollars as Mr. Bush apparently wants to, although, he, himself has been all over the lot on this issue lately-on Star Wars-in my judgment makes no sense at all. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| We need a strong, credible, effective nuclear deterrent. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| We have 13,000 strategic nuclear warheads right now on land, on sea and in the air, enough to blow up the Soviet Union forty times over. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| They have about 12,000. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| So, we've got to move forward with those negotiations, get the level of strategic weapons down. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| But to continue to commit billions to this system makes no sense at all and I think Mr. Bush has been reconsidering his position over the course of the past few weeks. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| That's-at least that's what I read. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Maybe he'll tell us where he stand on it tonight. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Mr. Vice President. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I'm not reconsidering my position. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| How do you deter nuclear attack without modernizing our nuclear forces when the Soviets are modernizing and how come you spend-willing to spend a dime on something that you consider a fantasy and a fraud. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Those are two hypo-rhetorical questions. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| He is the man on conventional forces that wants to eliminate two carrier battle groups. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| The armed forces, the conventional forces of the United States have never been more ready. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Every single one of the Joint Chiefs will testify to the fact that readiness is in an historic high. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And secondly, in terms of the cutting of the Coast Guard, the Democratic controlled Congress, so please help us with that, who cut $70 million from the Coast Guard out of the interdiction effort on narcotics. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| (Applause) | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| He's got to get this thing more clear. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Why do you spend a billion dollars on something you think is a fantasy and a fraud? | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I will fully research it, go forward as fast as we can. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| We've set up the levels of funding and when it is deployable, I will deploy it. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| That is my position on SDI and it's never wavered a bit. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Peter Jennings, a question for Governor Dukakis. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Well, Governor, and Vice President Bush, you've both talked tonight about hard choices. | JENNINGS | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Let me try to give you one. | JENNINGS | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Somewhere in the Middle East tonight, nine Americans are being held hostage. | JENNINGS | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| If you are commander-in-chief and Americans are held hostage, what will be more important to you, their individual fate, or the commitment that the United States Government must never negotiate with terrorists. | JENNINGS | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And if any Americans are held hostage and you become president, to what lengths would you go to rescue them? | JENNINGS | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Peter, it's one of the most agonizing decisions a president has to make. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| These are American citizens, we care deeply about them. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Their families care deeply about them, want them back and understandably so and we want to do everything we can to bring them back. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| But if there's one thing we also understand it is that you cannot make concessions to terrorists, ever, ever. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Because if you do, it's an open invitation to other terrorists to take hostages and to blackmail us. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And that's the tragedy of the Iran/Contra scandal. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| As a matter of fact, Mr. Bush was the Chairman of a task force on international terrorism which issued a report shortly before that decision was made and said, and rightly so, that we never ever can make concessions to terrorists and hostage takers. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And, yet, after sitting through meeting after meeting, he endorsed that decision, endorsed the sale of arms to the Ayatollah in exchange for hostages, one of the most tragic, one of the most mistaken foreign policy decisions we've ever made in this country and I dare say encouraged others to take hostages as we now know. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| So, there can be no concessions under any circumstances, because if we do it's an open invitation to others to do the same. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| We've got to be tough on international terrorism. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| We've got to treat it as international crime. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| We've got to attack at all points, we've go to use undercover operations. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| We have to be prepared to use military force against terrorist base camps, we have to work closely with our allies to make sure that they're working with us and we with them and we can give no quarter when it comes to breaking the back of international terrorism. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Yes, we should make every effort to try to help those hostages come home, but it can never be because we make concessions. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| That was a tragic mistake that we made, a mistake that Mr. Bush made and others made and it should never ever be made again. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Mr. Vice President? | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I wrote the anti-terrorist report for this government. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| It is the best anti-terrorist report written. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Yes, we shouldn't trade arms for hostages. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| But we have made vast improvements in our anti-terrorism. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Now, it's fine to say that sometimes you have to hit base camps, but when the president saw this state sponsored-fingerprints of Muammar Khadaffi on the loss of American life, he hit Libya. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And my opponent was unwilling to support that action. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| That's not true. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| That's not true. | Michael S. Dukakis | NaN | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And since that action, terrorist action against the United States citizens have gone down. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| That's not true. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And I have long ago said I supported the president on this other matter. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And I've said mistakes were made. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Clearly nobody's going to think the president started out thinking he was going to trade arms for hostages. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| That is a very serious charge against the president. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| The matter has been thoroughly looked into. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| But the point is sometimes the action- (Laughter) | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| - has to be taken by the Federal Government and when we took action, it had a favorable response. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| A question for the Vice President. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Peter? | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| It seems perhaps a good subject, Mr. Vice President, on which to make the point that you've campaigned vigorously as part of a leadership team. | JENNINGS | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| But so far you won't tell the American people in considerable measure what advice you gave the president, including the sale of arms to Iran and what should have been done about the hostages. | JENNINGS | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| To the best of my knowledge there's no Constitutional requirement which prevents you from doing so. | JENNINGS | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Jimmy Carter urged his Vice President, Walter Mondale, to tell the American people. | JENNINGS | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Would you now ask President Reagan for permission to tell the American people what advice you did give him? | JENNINGS | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And if you don't, how do we judge your judgment in the Oval Office in the last eight years? | JENNINGS | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| You're judged by the whole record. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| You're judged by the entire record. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Are we closer to peace? | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Are we doing better in anti-terrorism? | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Should we have listened to my opponent who wanted to send the UN into the Persian Gulf or in spite of the mistakes of the past, are we doing better there? | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| How is our credibility with the GCC countries on the Western side of the Gulf. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Is Iran talking to Iraq about peace? | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| You judge on the record. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Are the Soviets coming out of Afghanistan? | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| How does it look in a program he called or some one of these marvelous Boston adjective up there and-about Angola-now, we have a chance-several Bostonians don't like it, but the rest of the country will understand. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| (Applause) | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Now we have a chance. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Now we have a chance. | George H. W. Bush | NaN | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And, so, I think that I'd leave it right there and say that you judge on the whole record. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And let me say this-all he can talk about-he goes around ranting about Noriega. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Now, I've told you what the intelligence briefing he received said about that. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| He can talk about Iran/Contra and also-I'll make a deal with you, I will take the blame for those two incidents if you give me half the credit for all the good things that have happened in world peace since Ronald Reagan and I took over from the Carter administration. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| (Applause) | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I still have a couple of minutes left. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And there is a difference principle - | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Sorry, Mr. Vice President. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| It's only on yellow here. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Wait a minute. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| (Laughter) | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I'm wrong. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Go ahead. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| My apologies. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Jim - | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| You said nobody's perfect. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I said I wasn't perfect. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Where was I? | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| 25th of December, Mr. Vice President. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| (Laughter) | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I finished. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| He can have another ten seconds if he wants, Jim. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Governor, you have a minute to respond. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Well, the matter of judgment is very important. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And I think it's important to understand what happened here. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| A report on international terrorism chaired by the Vice President was released and made some very specific recommendations about how to deal with terrorism. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| They were ignored. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| The Vice President ignored them. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| He says mistakes were made. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Very serious mistakes in judgment were made. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| He says, ≥Well, let's concede that the administration has been doing business with Noriega. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Has made him a part of our foreign policy and has been funneling aid to Contras through convicted drug dealers.≤ I think those are very very serious questions of judgment, which those of you who are watching us here tonight have a right to judge and review. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| We're not going to make those kinds of mistakes. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| You cannot make concessions to terrorists. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| If you do, you invite the taking of more hostages. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| That's a basic principle. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| It was ignored in that case and it was a very very serious mistake in judgment. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| A question from John Mashek. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| It goes to the Vice President. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Mr. Vice President, Democrats and even some Republicans are still expressing reservations about the qualifications and credentials of Senator Dan Quayle of Indiana, your chosen running mate, to be a heartbeat away from the presidency. | MASHEK | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| What do you see in him that others do not? | MASHEK | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| (Laughter) | MASHEK | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I see a young man that was elected to the Senate twice, to the House of Representatives twice. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I see a man who is young and I am putting my confidence in a whole generation of people that are in their 30Ï€s and 40Ï€s. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I see a man that took the leadership in the Job Training Partnership Act and that retrains people in this highly competitive changing society we're in, so if a person loses his hob he is retrained for a benefit-for a-work that will be productive and he won't have to go on one of these many programs that the liberal-talking about. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I see a young man who is a knowledgeable-in defense and there are three people on our ticket that are knowledgeable-in the whole-in the race-knowledgeable in defense and Dan Quayle is one of them and I am one of them. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And I believe that he will be outstanding. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And he took a tremendous pounding and everybody now knows that he took a very unfair pounding. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And I'd like each person to say did I jump to conclusions running down rumors that were so outrageous and so brutal. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And he's kept his head up. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And he will do very very well. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And he has my full confidence and he'll have the confidence of people that are in their 30Ï€s and 40Ï€s and more. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| So, judge the man on his record not on the-lot of rumors and innuendo and trying to fool around with his name. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| My opponent says J. Danforth Quayle. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Do you know who J. Danforth was, he was a man who gave his life in World War II, so ridiculing a person's name is a little beneath this process. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And he'll do very well when we get into the debates. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| (Applause) | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Well, when it comes to ridicule, George, you win a gold medal. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I think we can agree on that in the course of this campaign. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| (Applause) | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Just the facts. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| But did I-did I sense a desire that maybe Lloyd Bentsen ought to be your running mate when you said there are three people on your ticket? | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| No, I think the debate ought to be between you and Lloyd. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I think the American people have a right to judge us on this question, on how we picked a running mate, a person who is a heartbeat away from the presidency. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I picked Lloyd Bentsen, distinguished, strong, mature, a leader in the Senate, somebody whose qualifications nobody has questioned. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Mr. Bush picked Dan Quayle. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I doubt very much that Dan Quayle was the best qualified person for that job. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And as a matter of fact, I think for most people the notion of President Quayle is a very very troubling thought. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| John will ask a question of the Governor. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| It will be the last question and then the Vice President will have a rebuttal. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Well, Governor, you did select Lloyd Bentsen of Texas. | MASHEK | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I did indeed. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And you have a lot of disagreement with him on fundamental issues, including the Reagan tax cuts, aid to the rebels in Nicaragua, the death penalty, gun control. | MASHEK | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Who's right? | MASHEK | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| (Laughter) | MASHEK | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Well, John, I'm a man that's been a chief executive for ten years. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I've picked a lot of people. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I've picked cabinets. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I've named judges. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I know that the people you pick make an enormous difference in your ability to govern and I set high standards. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I try to meet them and I insist that people who work for me meet them, if they don't, they don't stick around very long. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| But I didn't pick Lloyd Bentsen because he was a clone of Mike Dukakis. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I picked him because he was somebody who would be a strong Vice President, somebody who would be an active Vice President. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Somebody who would come to me if somebody came up with a crazy idea that we ought to trade arms to the Ayatollah for hostages and say, ≥Mr. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| President, that's wrong. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| We shouldn't do that.≤ That's the kind of Vice President I want. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| He, himself, has said, and rightly so, that he'll be a strong Vice President. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| When the Vice President makes a decision, that will be his decision. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And I'm very very proud of that choice. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And I didn't pick him because he agreed with me on everything. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| You know, Sam Rayburn once said that if two people agree on everything then only one person is doing the thinking. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| The fact is I've picked somebody who not only will be a great Vice President, but if, God forbid, something happens to the president, could step into that office and do so with distinction and with strength and with leadership. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I doubt very much. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I doubt very much that Mr. Bush's selection for the Vice Presidency of the United States meets that test. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| (Applause) | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Mr. Vice President? | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Well, I-we obviously have a difference. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I believe it does meet the test. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| We'll have an opportunity to see the two of them in action in a friendly forum, wonderful friendly fashion like this. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| (Laughter) | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I had hoped this had been a little friendlier evening. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I wanted to hitchhike a ride home in his tank with him. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| But now we've got the lines too carefully drawn here. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| But you talk about judgment. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I mean, what kind of judgment-I mean, jumping all over the president on his decision on one area of farm policy. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| What kind of judgment sense has your chief education adviser now in jail in Massachusetts? | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I mean, there's-I don't think this is a fair argument. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| But nevertheless, I support my nominee for Vice President and he'll do an outstanding job. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Gentlemen, I was given some bad word a moment ago. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| There is time for one more question. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Getting it in my ear and Ann Groer will ask it. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Ann? | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| To the Governor. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Governor Dukakis, as many U.S. farmers face or undergo foreclosure, the United States is considering the possibility of forgiving a certain percentage of debt owed by Latin American and Third World countries, do you favor giving these countries a break in their loans and, if so, how do you explain that to the American farmers who are losing their land and livelihood? | GROER | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Well, I think we have to go to work on the problem of Third World debt and we've got to assist those Third World countries in dealing with this massive debt which they currently-which they have incurred and which is burdening them and which if we don't do something about it and assist them along with other nations around the world, we'll destroy their economies, destroy their future. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And at the same time will destroy markets that are important to our farmers. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| But I also believe we need an agricultural policy which doesn't cost us 15 to 20 to 25 billion dollars a year that it's been costing us over the course of the past three or four years under this administration. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I think it's going to require good, solid credit policies. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And thanks to the Congress we now have an agricultural credit bill which is helping and improving the situation with at least some of our farmers. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I think it's going to require a combination of supply management and reasonable price supports to make sure that our farmers get a decent price and I think it also is going to require an administration that understand that there are tremendous opportunities out there for the development of new uses for agricultural products, new uses which can help us to clean up our environment at the same time. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Bio-degradable plastics-plastic-gasohol, which the Vice President has been involved in, road de-icers made from corn products. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I mean, there are enormous opportunities out there to expand markets and to build a strong future for our farmers. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| But I don't think there's anything mutually exclusive or contradictory about building a strong farm economy in this country and assisting our family farms and providing a good strong future for rural communities and for rural America and at the same time working on Third World debt. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| As a matter of fact, Mexico, itself, is one of our biggest agricultural customers, so in the sense that we can work to help Mexico rebuild and expand and deal with these very serious economic problems we help our farmers at the same time. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Mr. Vice President? | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I oppose supply management and production controls. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I support the farm bill, the 1985 farm bill and spending is moving in the right direction. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I want to expand our markets abroad and that's why I've called for that first economic summit to be on agriculture. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I will not go back to the way the Democrats did it and used food as a political weapon and throw a grain embargo on the farmers in this country. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I want to see rural redevelopment and I have been out front in favor of alternate sources of energy and one of them is gasohol and comes from using your corn and I think we can do better in terms of biodegradable for a lot of product, so I'm optimistic about the agricultural economy. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| In terms of the Third World, I support the Baker plan. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I want to see market economies spring up all around the world and to the degree they do, we are succeeding. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And I don't want to see the banks let off the hook. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I would oppose that, but I think were on the right track in agriculture and I am very very encouraged. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| But let's not go back to that-what they call supply management and production control, that'll simply price us out of the international market. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Let's try to expand our markets abroad. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| All right. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| That really is the end. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Now, let's go to closing statements. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| They will be two minutes each in duration by agreement. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Vice President Bush goes first. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Governor Dukakis second. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Mr. Vice President. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I talked in New Orleans about a gentler and kinder nation and I have made specific proposals on education and the environment and on ethics and energy and how we do better in battling crime in our country. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| But there are two main focal points of this election. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Opportunity and peace. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I want to keep this expansion going. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Yes, we want change but we are the change. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I am the change. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I don't want to go back to malaise and misery index. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And, so, opportunity. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Keep America at work. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| The best poverty program is a job with dignity in the private sector. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And in terms of peace, we are on the right track. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| We've achieved an arms control agreement that our critics thought was never possible and I want to build on it. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I want to see us finalize that START agreement and I want it to be the one to finally lead the world to banishing chemical and biological weapons. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| I want to see asymmetrical reductions in conventional forces. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And then it gets down to a question of values. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| We've had a chance to spell out our differences on the Pledge of Allegiance here tonight and on tough sentencing of drug king pins and this kind of thing. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And I do favor the death penalty. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| And we've got a wide array of differences on those. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| But in the final analysis-in the final analysis, the person goes into that voting booth, they're going to say, ≥Who has the values I believe in? | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Who has the experience that we trust? | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Who has the integrity and stability to get the job done?≤ My fellow Americans, I am that man and I ask for your support. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| Thank you very much. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| (Applause) | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 25 Sep 1988 |
| On behalf of the Commission on Presidential Debates, I am pleased to welcome you to the second presidential debate. | Bernard Shaw | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I am Bernard Shaw of CNN, Cable News Network. | Bernard Shaw | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| My colleagues on the panel are Ann Compton of ABC NEWS; Margaret Warner of Newsweek magazine; and Andrea Mitchell of NBC NEWS. | Bernard Shaw | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| The candidates are Vice President George Bush, the Republican nominee; and Governor Michael Dukakis, the Democratic nominee. | Bernard Shaw | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| (Applause) | Bernard Shaw | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| For the next 90 minutes we will be questioning the candidates following a format designed and agreed to by representatives of the two campaigns. | Bernard Shaw | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| However, there are no restrictions on the questions that my colleagues and I can ask this evening, and the candidates have no prior knowledge of our questions. | Bernard Shaw | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| By agreement between the candidates, the first question goes to Gov. | Bernard Shaw | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Dukakis. | Bernard Shaw | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| You have two minutes to respond. | Bernard Shaw | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Governor, if Kitty Dukakis were raped and murdered, would you favor an irrevocable death penalty for the killer? | Bernard Shaw | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| No, I don't, Bernard. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And I think you know that I've opposed the death penalty during all of my life. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I don't see any evidence that it's a deterrent, and I think there are better and more effective ways to deal with violent crime. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| We've done so in my own state. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And it's one of the reasons why we have had the biggest drop in crime of any industrial state in America; why we have the lowest murder rate of any industrial state in America. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| But we have work to do in this nation. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| We have work to do to fight a real war, not a phony war, against drugs. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And that's something I want to lead, something we haven't had over the course of the past many years, even though the Vice President has been at least allegedly in charge of that war. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| We have much to do to step up that war, to double the number of drug enforcement agents, to fight both here and abroad, to work with our neighbors in this hemisphere. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And I want to call a hemispheric summit just as soon after the 20th of January as possible to fight that war. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| But we also have to deal with drug education prevention here at home. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And that's one of the things that I hope I can lead personally as the President of the United States. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| We've had great success in my own state. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And we've reached out to young people and their families and been able to help them by beginning drug education and prevention in the early elementary grades. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| So we can fight this war, and we can win this war. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And we can do so in a way that marshals our forces, that provides real support for state and local law enforcement officers who have not been getting that support, and do it in a way which will bring down violence in this nation, will help our youngsters to stay away from drugs, will stop this avalanche of drugs that's pouring into the country, and will make it possible for our kids and our families to grow up in safe and secure and decent neighborhoods. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Mr. Vice President, your one-minute rebuttal. | Bernard Shaw | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Well, a lot of what this campaign is about, it seems to me Bernie, goes to the question of values. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And here I do have, on this particular question, a big difference with my opponent. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| You see, I do believe that some crimes are so heinous, so brutal, so outrageous, and I'd say particularly those that result in the death of a police officer, for those real brutal crimes, I do believe in the death penalty, and I think it is a deterrent, and I believe we need it. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And I'm glad that the Congress moved on this drug bill and have finally called for that related to these narcotics drug kingpins. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And so we just have an honest difference of opinion: I support it and he doesn't. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Now to you, Vice President Bush. | Bernard Shaw | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I quote to you this from Article III of the 20th amendment to the Constitution. | Bernard Shaw | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| "If at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President the President-elect shall have died, the Vice President elect shall become president," meaning, if you are elected and die before inauguration day | Bernard Shaw | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Bernie. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| automatically automatically, Dan Quayle would become the 41st President of the United States. | Bernard Shaw | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| What have you to say about that possibility? | Bernard Shaw | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I'd have confidence in him. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And I made a good selection. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And I've never seen such a pounding, an unfair pounding, on a young Senator in my entire life. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And I've never seen a presidential campaign where the presidential nominee runs against my vice presidential nominee; never seen one before. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| (Applause) | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| But you know, Lloyd Bentsen jumped on Dan Quayle, when Dan Quayle said, he's had roughly the same amount of experience. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| He had two terms in the Congress. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| He had two terms in the Senate, serving his second term. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| He founded authored, the job training partnership act. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| It says to American working men and women that are thrown out of work for no fault of their own that they're going to have jobs. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| We're moving into a new competitive age, and we need that kind of thing. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| He, unlike my opponent, is an expert in national defense; helped amend the INF treaty so we got a good, sound treaty, when these people over here were talking about a freeze. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| If we'd listened to them, we would never have had a treaty. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And so I have great confidence in him. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And it's turning around. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| You know, the American people are fair. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| They don't like it when there's an unfair pounding and kind of hooting about people. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| They want to judge it on the record itself. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And so I'm proud of my choice. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And you know, I don't think age is the only criterion. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| But I'll tell you something, I'm proud that people who are 30 years old and 40 years old now have someone in their generation that is going to be vice president of the United States of America. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I made a good selection. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| The American people are seeing it, and I'm proud of it; that's what I'd say. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And he could do the job. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Gov. | Bernard Shaw | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Dukakis, your one-minute rebuttal. | Bernard Shaw | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Bernard, this was the first presidential decision that we as nominees were called upon to make. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And that's why people are so concerned. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Because it was an opportunity for us to demonstrate what we were looking for in a running mate. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| More than that, it was the first national security decision that we had to make. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| The Vice President talks about national security. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Three times since World War II, the Vice President has had to suddenly become the President and commander in chief. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I picked Lloyd Bentsen, because I thought he was the best qualified person for the job. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| (Applause) GOY. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Mr. Bush picked Dan Quayle, and before he did it, he said, watch my choice for vice president, it will tell all And it sure did. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| It sure did. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| (Applause) | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Ann Compton for the Vice President. | Bernard Shaw | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Thank you, Bernie. | COMPTON | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Mr. Vice President, yes, we read your lips: no new taxes. | COMPTON | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| But despite that same pledge from President Reagan, after income tax rates were cut, in each of the last five years, some Federal taxes have gone up, on Social Security, cigarettes, liquor, even long distance telephone calls. | COMPTON | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Now that's money straight out of people's wallets. | COMPTON | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Isn't the phrase, no new taxes, misleading the voters? | COMPTON | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| No, because I'm pledged to that, and yes, some taxes have gone up. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And the main point is, taxes have been cut, and yet income is up to the Federal Government by 25 percent in the last three years. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And so what I want to do is keep this expansion going. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I don't want to kill it off by a tax increase. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| More Americans at work today than at any time in the history of the country, and a greater percentage of the work force. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And the way you kill expansions is to raise taxes. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And I don't want to do that, and I won't do that. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And what I have proposed is something much better. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And it's going to take discipline of the executive branch; it's going to take discipline of the congressional branch. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And that is what I call a flexible freeze that allows growth about 4 percent or the rate of inflation but does not permit the Congress just to add on spending. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I hear this talk about a blank check. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| The American people are pretty smart: they know who writes out the checks. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And they know who appropriates the money. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| It is the United States Congress. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And by two to one, Congress is blamed for these deficits. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And the answer is to discipline both the executive branch and the congressional branch by holding the line on taxes. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| So I'm pledged to do that. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And those pessimists who say it can't be done, I'm sorry, I just have a fundamental disagreement with them | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Gov. | Bernard Shaw | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Dukakis, your one-minute response. | Bernard Shaw | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Ann, the Vice President made that pledge. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| He's broken it three times in the past year already. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| So it isn't worth the paper it's printed on. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And what I'm concerned about is that if we continue with the policies that Mr. Bush is talking about here this evening, the flexible freeze somebody described it the other day as a kind of economic slurpee he wants to spend billions on virtually every weapons system around. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| He says he's not going to raise taxes, though he has broken that pledge repeatedly. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| He says he wants to give the wealthiest one percent of the people in this country a five-year $40 billion tax break, and we're going to pay for it. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And he's been proposing all kinds of programs for new spending costing billions. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Now if we continue with these policies, this trillion and a half dollars worth of new debt that's already been added on the backs of the American taxpayer is going to increase even more, and if we continue with this for another four years, then I'm worried about the next generation, whether we can ever turn this situation around. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| No, we need a chief executive who is prepared to lead; who won't blame the Congress; who will lead to bring down that deficit, who will make tough choices on spending | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Governor | Bernard Shaw | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| will go out and do the job that we expect of him and do it with the Congress of the United States. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| (Applause) | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And to Governor Dukakis. | Bernard Shaw | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Governor, let me follow up on that by asking you you've said it many times that you have balanced ten budgets in a row in Massachusetts. | COMPTON | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Are you promising the American people here tonight that within a four-year presidential term, you will balance the federal budget? | COMPTON | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| No, I'm not sure I can promise that; I don't think either one of us can really. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| There is no way of anticipating what may happen. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| that we will set as our goal a steady, gradual reduction of the deficit, which will require tough choices on spending; it will require a good strong rate of economic growth; it will require a plan that the president works out with the Congress doesn't blame them, works it out with them, which brings that deficit down; it will require us to go out and collect billions and billions of dollars in taxes owed that aren't being paid in this country. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And that's grossly unfair to the average American who is paying his taxes and paying them on time and doesn't have any alternative: it's taken out of his paycheck. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Mr. Bush says we are going to put the IRS on every taxpayer. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| That's not what we are going to do. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I'm for the taxpayer bill of rights. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| But I think it's unconscionable, Ann, that we should be talking or thinking about imposing new taxes on average Americans when there are billions out there, over $100 billion, in taxes owed that aren't being paid. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Now, I think if we work together on it, and if you have a president that will work with the Congress and the American people, we can bring that deficit down steadily, $20, $25, $30 billion a year, build economic growth, build a good strong future for America, invest in those things which we must invest in economic development, good jobs, good schools for our kids, college opportunity for young people, decent health care and affordable housing, and a clean and safe environment. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| We can do all of those things, and at the same time build a future in which we are standing on a good strong fiscal foundation. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Senator Bentsen said, as you recall at the debate with Senator Quayle, that if you give any of us $200 billion worth of hot checks a year, we can create an illusion of prosperity. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| But sooner or later that credit card mentality isn't going to work. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And I want to bring to the White House a sense of strength and fiscal responsibility which will build a good strong foundation under which this country, or above which country can move, grow, invest, and build the best America for its people and for our kids and our grandkids. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Mr. Vice President, your response. | Bernard Shaw | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| The Governor has to balance the budget in his state he is required to by law. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| He has raised taxes several times. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I wish he would join me, as a matter of fact, in appealing to the American people for the balanced budget amendment for the federal government and for the line-item veto. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| (Applause) I'd like to have that line-item veto for the president, because I think that would be extraordinarily helpful. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And I won't do one other thing that he's had to do: took $29 million out of his state pension fund that's equivalent at the federal level of taking out of the Social Security trust fund. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I'm not going to do that; I won't do that. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| (Applause) And so I'm still a little unclear as to whether he's for or against the tax increase. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I have been for the taxpayer bill of rights all along. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And this idea of unleashing a whole bunch-an army, a conventional force army, of IRS agents into everybody's kitchen I mean, he's against most defense matters, and now he wants to get an army of JRS auditors going out there. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| (Laughter) I'm against that; I oppose that. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| (Boos and applause) | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I'm going to say this and I'm going to say it once to every person in this auditorium: what these candidates are about is of utmost seriousness to the American voters; they should be heard and you should be quiet. | Bernard Shaw | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| If you are not quiet, I am going to implore the candidates to do something about quieting their own partisans. | Bernard Shaw | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| But we cannot get through this program with these outbursts. | Bernard Shaw | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Margaret Warner for Governor Dukakis. | Bernard Shaw | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Good evening, Governor, Mr. Vice President. | WARNER | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Governor, you won the first debate on intellect, and yet you lost it on heart. | WARNER | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Just a minute. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| You'll get your turn. | WARNER | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I don't know if the vice president agrees with that. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| The American public admired your performance, but didn't seem to like you much. | WARNER | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Now, Ronald Reagan has found his personal warmth to be a tremendous political asset. | WARNER | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Do you think that a president has to be likable to be an effective leader? | WARNER | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Margaret, may I go back and just say to the vice president that I didn't raid the pension fund of Massachusetts you are dead wrong, George, we didn't do that. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| As a matter of fact, I'm the first governor in the history of my state to fund that pension system, and I'm very proud of that. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| (Applause) I have been in politics for twenty-five years, Margaret; I've won a lot of elections, I've lost a few, as you know, and learned from those losses. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I won the Democratic nomination in fifty-one separate contests. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I think I'm a reasonably likable guy. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| (Laughter, scattered applause) I'm serious though I think I'm a little more lovable these days than I used to be back in my youth when I began in my state legislature. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| But I'm also a serious guy. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I think the presidency of the United States is a very serious office, and I think we have to address these issues in a very serious way. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| So I hope and expect that I will be liked by the people of this country as president of the United States; I certainly hope I will be liked by them on the 8th of November. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| (Laughter) But I also think it's important to be somebody who is willing to make those tough choices. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Now, we have just heard two or three times from the vice president: he's not going to raise taxes. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I repeat, within days after you made that pledge, you broke it; you said, well, maybe as a last resort we'll do it. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And you supported legislation this year that's involved tax increases not once, but twice. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| So that pledge isn't realistic, and I think the vice president knows it; I think the people of this country know it. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| The fact of the matter is that the next president of the United States is going to have to go to the White House seriously, he is going to have to work with the Congress seriously he can't turn to the Congress and blame them for the fact that we don't have a balanced budget and that we have billions and billions of dollars in red ink. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And I am going to be a president who is serious, I hope and expect will be liked by the American people. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| But more than that, to do the kind of job that I'm elected to do, will do it with as much good humor as I can, but at the same time will do it in a way which will achieve the goals we want for ourselves and our people. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And I think we know what they are: a good strong future, a future in which there is opportunity for all of our citizens. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| One minute from the Vice President. | Bernard Shaw | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I don't think it's a question of whether people like you or not to make you an effective leader. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I think it's whether you share the broad dreams of the American people, whether you have confidence in the people's ability to get things done or whether you think it all should be turned over, as many of the liberals do, to Washington, D.C. You see, I think it's a question of values, not likability or loveability, it's a question in foreign affairs in experience, knowing world leaders, knowing how to build on a superb record of this administration in arms control, because you'd know exactly how to begin. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| You have to learn from experience that making unilateral cuts in defense system is not the way that you enhance peace. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| You've got to understand that it is only the United States that can stand for freedom and democracy around the world and we can't turn it over to the United Nations or other multilateral organizations. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| It is, though, trying to understand the heartbeat of the country. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And I know these campaigns get knocked a lot, but I think I'd be a better President now for having had to travel to these communities and understand the family values and the importance of neighborhood. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| (Applause) | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Please. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Margaret Warner for the Vice President. | Bernard Shaw | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I'd like to follow up on that Mr. Vice President. | WARNER | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| The tenor of the campaign you've been running, in terms of both the issues and your rhetoric has surprised even some of your friends. | WARNER | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Senator Mark Hatfield who's known your family a long time and who knew your father, the late Senator Prescott Bush, said, and I quote, "If his father were alive today, I'm sure his father would see it as a shocking transformation." | WARNER | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Is Senator Hatfield right? | WARNER | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| What was he referring to? | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| He was referring to your performance in the campaign. | WARNER | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I think my dad would be pretty proud of me, because I think we've come a long long way and I think, you know three months ago, I remember some of the great publications in this country had written me off. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And what I've had to do is define, not just my position, but to define his and I hope I've done it fairly. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And the reason I've had to do that is that he ran on the left in the Democratic primary, ran firmly and ran with conviction and ran on his record. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And then at that Democratic convention, they made a determination and they said there, ideology doesn't matter, just competence. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And in the process the negatives began. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| It wasn't me that was there at that convention. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Thank God I was up in the with Jimmy Baker camping out and I didn't have to hear all the personal attacks on me out of that Democratic convention. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And I'm not the one that compared the President of the United States rotting from like a dead fish from the head down. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I didn't do that. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| But I have defined the issues and I am not going to let Governor Dukakis go through this election without explaining some of these very liberal position he's the one a liberal, traditional liberal a progressive liberal Democrat. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| He's the one that brought up, to garner primary votes, the whole question of the ACLU. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And I have enormous difference with the ACLU on their politic agenda. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Not on their defending some minority opinion on the right or the left. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I support that. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| But what I don't like is this left wing political agenda and therefore I have to help define that and if he's unwilling to do it, if he says ideology doesn't matter, I don't agree with him. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| (Applause) | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| One minute from Governor Dukakis. | Bernard Shaw | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Well, Margaret, we've heard it again tonight and I'm not surprised, the labels. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I guess the Vice President two or three times, said I was coming from the left. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| In 1980, President Reagan called you a liberal for voting for Federal gun control. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And this is something Republicans have used for a long time. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| They tried it with Franklin Roosevelt and Harry Truman and John Kennedy. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| It's not labels. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| It's our vision of America. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And we have two fundamentally different visions of America. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| The Vice President is complacent, thinks we ought to stick with the status quo, doesn't think we ought to move ahead, thinking things are okay as they are. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I don't. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I think this is a great country, because we've always wanted to do better, to make our country better, to make our lives better. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| We've always been a nation which was ambitious for America and we move forward. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And that's the kind of America I want. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| That's the kind of leadership I want to provide. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| But I don't think these labels mean a thing and I would hope that tonight in the course of the rest of this campaign, we can have good solid disagreements on issues. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| There's nothing the matter with that. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| But let's stop labeling each other and lets' get to the heart of the matter which is the future of this country. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| (Applause) | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Andrea Mitchell, for the Vice President. | Bernard Shaw | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Mr. Vice President, Governor. | MITCHELL | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Mr. Vice President, let me return for a moment to the issue of the budget, because so much has already been put off limits in your campaign that most people do not believe that the flexible freeze alone will solve the problem of the deficit. | MITCHELL | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| So, let's turn to defense for a moment. | MITCHELL | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Pentagon officials tell us that there is not enough money in the budget to handle military readiness, preparedness, as well as new weapons systems that have been proposed, as well as those already in the pipeline. | MITCHELL | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| You were asked in the first debate what new weapons systems you would cut. | MITCHELL | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| You mentioned three that had already been canceled. | MITCHELL | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Can you tonight share with us three new weapons systems that you could? | MITCHELL | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| If I knew of three new weapons systems that I thought were purely waste and weren't protected by the Congress, they wouldn't be in the budget. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| They would not be in the budget, but you want one now? | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I'll give you one, that HMET, that heavy truck, that's cost what is it $850 million and the Pentagon didn't request it and, yet, a member of Congress, a very powerful one, put it in the budget. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I think we can save money through this whole very sophisticated concept, Andrea, that I know you do understand of competitive strategies. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| It is new and it is very very different than what's happened, but it's not quite ready to be totally implemented. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| But it's very important. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I think we can say, through the Packard Commission Report and I'm very proud that David Packard, the originator of that report, is strongly supporting me. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| So, it's not a question of saying our budget is full of a lot of waste. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I don't believe that. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I do think this. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| We're in the serious stages of negotiation with the Soviet Union on the strategic arms control talks. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And we're protecting a couple of options in terms of modernizing our strategic forces. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| My Secretary of Defense is going to have to make a very difficult decision in which system to go forward with. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| But we are protecting both of them. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| We are moving forward with negotiations and, you see, I just think it would be dumb negotiating policy with the Soviets to cut out one or the other of the two options right now. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| The Soviets are modernizing. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| They continue to modernize and we can't simply we've got enough nuclear weapons, let's freeze. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| We can't do that. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| We have to have modernization, especially if we achieve the 50 percent reduction in strategic weapons that our President is taking the leadership to attain. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And, so, that's the way I'd reply to it and I believe we can have the strongest and best defense possible if we modernize, if we go forward with competitive strategies and if we do follow through on the Packard Commission report. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Governor Dukakis, one minute. | Bernard Shaw | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Well, Andrea, we've just had another example of why the Vice President's mathematics just don't add up. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I think you know because you've covered these issues, that there's no way that we can build all of the weapons the Vice President says he wants to build within the defense budget. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Everybody knows that including the people at the Pentagon. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Now, my defense secretary is going to have a lot to do with those decisions, but it's going to be the President who's going to have to ultimately decide before that budget goes to the Congress what weapons systems are going to go and what are going to stay. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| We are not going to spend the billions and trillions that Mr. Bush wants to spend on Star Wars. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| We're not going to spend billions on MX's on railroad cars, which is a weapons system we don't need, can't afford and won't help our defense posture at all. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| We're not going to spend hundreds of millions on a space plane from Washington to Tokyo. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Those are decisions that the chief executive has to make. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Yes, we're going to have a strong and credible and effective nuclear deterrent. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| We're going to go forward with the Stealth and the D-5 and the advance cruise missile and good conventional forces. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| But the next President of the United States will have to make some tough and difficult decisions. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I'm prepared to make them, the Vice President is not. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Governor, Andrea has a question for you. | Bernard Shaw | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Governor, continuing on that subject, then, you say we have to do something about conventional forces. | MITCHELL | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| You have supported the submarine launch missile, the D-5 you just referred to. | MITCHELL | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Yet, from Jerry Ford to Jimmy Carter to Ronald Reagan, there has been a bipartisan consensus in favor of modernizing the land based missiles. | MITCHELL | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Now, you have ruled out the MX and the Midgetman. | MITCHELL | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| More recently, some of your aides have hinted at some flexibility you might show about some other new form of missile. | MITCHELL | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Can you tell us tonight why you have rejected the wisdom of people as diverse as Sam Nunn, Henry Kissinger, Al Gore, people in both parties and what type of land based missile would you consider? | MITCHELL | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Well, Andrea, today we have 13,000 strategic nuclear warheads, on land, on air and in the sea. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| That's an incredibly powerful nuclear deterrent. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I don't rule out modernization, and there are discussions going on now in the Congress, I know with the Pentagon, about a less expensive modernized land-based leg of the triad. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| But there are limits to what we can spend. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| There are limits to this nation's ability to finance these weapons systems. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And one of the things that the Vice President either ignores or won't address is the fact that you can't divorce our military security from our economic security. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| How can we build a strong America militarily that's teeter-tottering on a mountain of debt? | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And if we go forward with the kinds of policies that the Vice President is suggesting tonight and has in the past, that debt is going to grow bigger and bigger and bigger. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| So military security and economic security go hand in hand. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And we will have a strong and effective and credible nuclear deterrent. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| We're going to have conventional forces that are well maintained, well equipped, well trained, well supported. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And we have serious problems with our conventional forces at the present time, and they'll get worse unless we have a president who is willing to make some of these decisions. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And we also have important domestic priorities, in education and housing and health care, in economic development, in job training, in the environment. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And all of these things are going to have to be addressed. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| That's why I say again to all of you out there who have to deal with your household budgets and know how difficult it is that the next President has to do the same. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I want the men and women of our Armed Forces to have the support they need to defend us; the support they need when they risk our lives to keep us free and to keep this country free. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| But we cannot continue to live on a credit card. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| We cannot continue to tell the American people that we're going to build all of these systems, and at the same time, invest in important things here at home, and be serious about building a strong and good America. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And that's the kind of America I want to build. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| One minute for the Vice President. | Bernard Shaw | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I think the foremost (Applause) | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Can we start the clock over? | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I held off for the applause. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| You can proceed, sir. | Bernard Shaw | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I think the foremost responsibility of a president really gets down to the national security of this country. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| The Governor talks about limits, what we can't do, opposes these two modernization systems, talks now about well, we'll develop some new kind of a missile. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| It takes eight years, ten years, to do that. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| He talked about a nuclear freeze back at the time when I was in Europe trying to convince European public opinion that we ought to go forward with the deployment of the INF weapons. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And thank God, the freeze people were not heard. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| They were wrong. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And the result is, we deployed, and the Soviets kept deploying, and then we negotiated from strength. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And now we have the first arms control agreement in the nuclear age to ban weapons. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| You just don't make unilateral cuts in the naive hope that the Soviets are going to behave themselves. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| World peace is important, and we have enhanced the peace. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And I'm proud to have been a part of an administration that has done exactly that. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Peace through strength works. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Ann Compton for Gov. | Bernard Shaw | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Dukakis. | Bernard Shaw | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Governor, today they may call them role models, but they used to be called heroes, the kind of public figure who could inspire a whole generation, someone who was larger than life. | COMPTON | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| My question is not, who your heroes were. | COMPTON | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| My question instead is, who are the heroes who are there in American life today? | COMPTON | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Who are the ones who you would point out to young Americans as figures who should inspire this country? | COMPTON | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Well, I think when I think of heroes, I think back, not presently, Ann. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| But there are many people who I admire in this country today. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Some of them are in public life in the Senate, the Congress. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Some of my fellow governors who are real heroes to me. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I think of those young athletes who represented us at the Olympics were tremendously impressive. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| We were proud of them. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| We felt strongly about them, and they did so well by us. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I can think of doctors and scientists, Jonas Salk who for example discovered a vaccine which cured one of the most dread diseases we ever had. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And he's a hero. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I think of classroom teachers, classroom teachers that I have had, classroom teachers that youngsters have today who are real heroes to our young people. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Because they inspire them. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| They teach them. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| But more than that, they are role models. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Members of the clergy who have done the same. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Drug counselors out there in the street who are providing help to youngsters who come up to me and others who ask for help and want help, are doing the hard work, the heroic work, which it takes to provide that kind of leadership, that kind of counseling, that kind of support. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I think of people in the law enforcement community who are taking their lives in their hands everyday, when they go up to one of those doors and kick it down and try to stop this flow of drugs into our communities and into our kids. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| So there are many, many heroes in this country today. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| These are people that give of themselves everyday and every week and every month. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| In many cases they are people in the community who are examples, and are role models. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And I would hope that one of the things I could do as president is to recognize them, to give them the kind of recognition that they need and deserve so that more and more young people can themselves become the heroes of tomorrow, can go into public service, can go into teaching, can go into drug counseling, can go into law enforcement, and be heroes themselves to generations yet to come. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| One minute for Vice President Bush. | Bernard Shaw | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I think of a teacher right here, largely Hispanic school, Jaime Escalante, teaching calculus to young kids, 80 percent of them going on to college. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I think of a young man now in this country named Villadaris, who was released from a Cuban jail. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Came out and told the truth in this brilliant book, Against All Hope, about what is actually happening in Cuba. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I think of those people that took us back into space again, Rick Houk and that crew, as people that are worthy of this. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I agree with the Governor on athletics. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And there's nothing corny about having sports heroes, young people that are clean and honorable and out there setting the pace. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I think of Dr. Fauci. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Probably never heard of him. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| You did, Ann heard of him. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| He's a very fine research, top doctor, at the National Institute of Health, working hard doing something about research on this disease of AIDS. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| But look, I also think we ought to give a little credit to the President of the United States. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| He is the one who has gotten us that first arms control agreement. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Mr. Vice President | Bernard Shaw | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And the cynics abounded. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And he is leaving office with a popularity at an all-time high, because American people | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Mr. Vice President, your time has expired. | Bernard Shaw | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| say, he is our hero. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| (Applause) | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Ann has a question for you, Mr. Vice President. | Bernard Shaw | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Let's change the pace a little bit, Mr. Vice President. | COMPTON | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| In this campaign some hard and very bitter things have been spoken by each side about each side. | COMPTON | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| If you'd consider for a moment Gov. | COMPTON | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Dukakis and his years of public service, is there anything nice you can say about him, anything you find admirable? | COMPTON | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| You're stealing my close. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I had something very nice to say in there. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Somebody leak my question to you? | COMPTON | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| No, let me tell you something about that. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And Barbara and I were sitting there before that Democratic convention. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And we saw the Governor and his son on television the night before and his family, and his mother who was there. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And I'm saying to Barbara, you know, we've always kept family as a bit of an oasis for us. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| You all know me, and we've held it back a little. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| But we used that as a role model, the way he took understandable pride in his heritage, what his family means to him. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And we've got a strong family. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And we watched that. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And we said, hey, we've got to unleash the Bush kids. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And so you saw ten grandchildren there jumping all over their grandfather at the convention. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| You see our five kids, all over this country, and their spouses. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And so I would say that the concept of the Dukakis family has my great respect. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And I would say, I don't know whether that's kind or not, it's just an objective statement. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I think the man anybody that gets into this political arena and has to face you guys everyday deserves a word of praise. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Because it's gotten a little ugly out there. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| It's gotten a little nasty. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| It's not much fun sometimes. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And I would cite again Dan Quayle. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I've been in politics a long time, and I don't remember that kind of piling on, that kind of ugly rumor that never was true, printed. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Now, come on. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| So some of it is unfair. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| But he's in the arena. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Teddy Roosevelt used to talk about the arena, you know, daring to fail greatly or succeed, no matter. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| He's in there. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| So I salute these things. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I salute those who participate in the political process. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Sam Raybum had a great expression on this. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| He said here were all these intellectuals out there griping and complaining and saying it was negative coverage. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Rayburn says, yeah, and that guy never ran for sheriff either. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Michael Dukakis has run for sheriff, and so has George Bush. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Governor, a one-minute response. | Bernard Shaw | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I didn't hear the word "liberal" or "left" one time. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I thank you for that. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| That's not bad. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| That's true. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And doesn't that prove the point, George, which is that values like family and education and community, decent homes for young people that family on Long Island I visited on Monday where Lou and Betty Tolamo (phonetic) bought a house for some $19,000 back in 1962, have had seven children, they're all making good livings. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| They can't live in the community which they grew up in. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Those are basic American values. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I believe in them. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I think you believe in them. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| They're not left or right. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| They're decent American values. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I guess the one thing that concerns me about this, Ann, is this attempt to label things which all of us believe in. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| We may have different approaches. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| We may think that you deal with them in different ways. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| But they're basically American, I believe in them. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| George Bush believes in them. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I think the vast majority of Americans believe in them. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And I hope | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Governor. | Bernard Shaw | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| the tone we've just heard might just be the tone we have for the rest of the campaign. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I think the American people would appreciate that. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| (Applause) | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Margaret Warner for the vice president. | Bernard Shaw | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Vice President Bush, abortion remains with us as a very troubling issue, and I'd like to explore that for a minute with you. | WARNER | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| You have said that you regard abortion as murder, yet you would make exceptions in the case of rape and incest. | WARNER | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| My question is, why should a woman who discovers through amniocentesis that her baby will be born with Tay-Sachs disease, for instance, that the baby will live at most two years, and those two years in incredible pain, be forced to carry the fetus to term, and yet a woman who becomes pregnant through incest would be allowed to abort her fetus? | WARNER | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Because you left out one other exception, the health of the mother. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Let me answer your question and I hope it doesn't get too personal or maudlin. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Barb and I lost a child, you know that we lost a daughter, Robin. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I was over running records in west Texas, and I got a call from her, come home; went to the doctor; the doctor said, beautiful child, your child has a few weeks to live. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And I said, what can we do about it. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| He said, no, she has leukemia, acute leukemia, a few weeks to live. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| We took the child to New York. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Thanks to the miraculous sacrifice of doctors and nurses, the child stayed alive for six months and then died. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| If that child were here today, and I was told the same thing, my granddaughter, Noel for example that child could stay alive for ten or fifteen years, or maybe for the rest of her life. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And so I don't think that you make an exception based on medical knowledge at the time. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I think human life is very, very precious. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And, look, this hasn't been an easy decision for me to meet. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I know others disagree with it. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| But when I was in that little church across the river from Washington and saw our grandchild christened in our faith, I was very pleased indeed that the mother had not aborted that child, and put the child up for adoption. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And so I just feel this is where I'm coming from. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And it is personal. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And I don't assail him on that issue, or others on that issue. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| But that's the way I, George Bush, feel about it. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| (Scattered applause) | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| One minute for Governor Dukakis. | Bernard Shaw | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Margaret, Kitty and I had very much the same kind of experience that the Bushes had: we lost a baby, lived about twenty minutes after it was born. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| But isn't the real question that we have to answer not how many exceptions we make, because the vice president himself is prepared to make exceptions. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| It's who makes the decision, who makes this very difficult, very wrenching decision? | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| (Applause) And I think it has to be the woman, in the exercise of her own conscience and religious beliefs, that makes that decision. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Who are we to say, well, under certain circumstances, it's all right, but under other circumstances it isn't? | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| That's a decision that only a woman can make, after consulting her conscience and consulting her religious principles. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And I would hope that we would give to women in this country the right to make that decision, and to make it in the exercise of their conscience and religious beliefs. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| (Applause) | Michael S. Dukakis | NaN | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Governor, Margaret has a question for you. | Bernard Shaw | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Governor, I'd like to return to the topic of the defense budget for a minute. | WARNER | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| You have said in this campaign that you would maintain a stable defense budget, yet you are on the board, on the advisory board | WARNER | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And, incidentally, may I say that that's the decision of the Congress, and the president has concurred. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Yet you are on the board of a group called Jobs with Peace, in Boston, that advocates a 25-percent cut in the defense budget and the transfer of that money to the domestic economy. | WARNER | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| My question is, do you share that goal perhaps as a long-range goal, and, if not, are you aware of or why do you permit this group to continue to use your name on its letterhead for fundraising? | WARNER | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I think I was on the advisory committee, Margaret. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| No, I don't happen to share that goal. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| It's an example of how oftentimes we may be associated with organizations all of whose particular positions we don't support, even though we support in general the hope that over time, particularly if we can get those reductions in strategic weapons, if we can get a comprehensive test ban treaty, if we can negotiate with the Soviet Union and bring down the level of conventional forces in Europe with deeper cuts in the Soviet side, yes, at some point it may be possible to reduce defense outlays and use those for important things here at home, like jobs and job training and college opportunity and health and housing and the environment and the things that all of us care about. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| But I do think this, that the next president, even within a relatively stable budget and that's what we are going to have for the foreseeable future will have to make those tough choices that I was talking about and that Mr. Bush doesn't seem to want to make. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And that really is going to be a challenge for the next president of the United States; I don't think there's any question about it. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| But I also see a tremendous opportunity now to negotiate with the Soviet Union to build on the progress that we've made with the INF Treaty, which I strongly supported and most Democrats did to get those reductions in strategic weapons, to get a test ban treaty, and to really make progress on the reduction of conventional forces in Europe. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And if we can do that and do it in a way that gets deeper cuts on the Soviet side, which is where they ought to come from, then I think we have an opportunity over the long haul to begin to move some of our resources from the military to important domestic priorities that can provide college opportunity for that young woman whose mother wrote me from Texas just the other day, from Longview, Texas: two teachers, a mother and a father who have a child that's a freshman in college, an electrical engineering major, a very bright student and they can't afford to keep that child in college. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| So I hope that we can begin to move those resources. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| It's not going to happen overnight; it certainly will have to happen on a step-by-step basis as we make progress in arms negotiation and arms control and arms reduction. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| But it certainly ought to be the long-term goal of all Americans and I think it is. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| One minute for the vice president. | Bernard Shaw | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| The defense budget today takes far less percentage of the gross national product than it did in President Kennedy's time, for example moved tremendously. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And you see, I think we're facing a real opportunity for world peace. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| This is a big question. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And it's a question as to whether the United States will continue to lead for peace. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| See, I don't believe any other country can pick up the mantel. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I served at the UN. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I don't think we can turn over these kinds of decisions of the collective defense to the United Nations or anything else. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| So, what I'm saying is, we are going to have to make choices. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I said I would have the Secretary of Defense sit down. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| But while the President is negotiating with the Soviet Union, I simply do not want to make these unilateral cuts. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And I think those that advocated the freeze missed the point that there was a better way and that better way has resulted in a principle asymmetrical cuts. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| The Soviets take out more than we do and the principle of intrusive verification. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And those two principles can now be applied to conventional forces, to strategic forces, provided | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Mr. Vice President | Bernard Shaw | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| We don't give away our hand before we sit down at the head table. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| (Applause) | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Andrea Mitchell for Governor Dukakis. | Bernard Shaw | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Governor, you've said tonight that you set as a goal the steady reduction of the deficit. | MITCHELL | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And you've talked about making tough choices, so perhaps I can get you to make one of those tough choices. | MITCHELL | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| No credible economist in either party accepts as realistic your plan to handle the deficit by tightening tax collection, investing in economic growth, bringing down interest rates, and cutting weapons systems | MITCHELL | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And some domestic programs as well, Andrea. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And some domestic programs as well. | MITCHELL | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| So, let's assume now, for argument purpose, that it is the spring of 1989 and you are President Dukakis, and you discover that all of those economists were right and you were wrong. | MITCHELL | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| You are now facing that dreaded last resort increase taxes. | MITCHELL | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Which tax do you decide is the least onerous? | MITCHELL | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| May I disagree with the premise of your question? | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| For the sake of argument, no. | MITCHELL | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| (Applause) | MITCHELL | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| As a matter of reality, Fm going to have to because we have had not one but two detailed studies which indicate that there are billions and billions of dollars to be collected that are not being paid these are not taxes owed by average Americans. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| We don't have an alternative. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| We'll lose it when it's taken out of our paycheck before we even get it. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| But it's the Internal Revenue Service which estimates now that we aren't collecting $100 billion or more in taxes owed in this country. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And that is just absolutely unfair to the vast majority of Americans who pay their taxes and pay them on time. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| The Dorgan Task Force, which included two internal revenue commissioners, one a Republican, one a Democrat. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| It was a bipartisan commission, a study by two respected economists, which indicated that we could collect some 40, 45, 50 billion dollars of those funds. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| The point is you've got to have a president who's prepared to do this and to begin right away and, preferably, a president who was a governor of a state that's had very, very successful experience at doing this. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| In my own state, we did it. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| In other states, we've done it. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Republican governors as well as Democratic governors. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And we've had great success at revenue enforcement. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Now, the Vice President will probably tell you that it's going to take an army of IRS collectors again. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Well, his campaign manager, who used to be the secretary of the treasury, was taking great credit about a year ago and asking and receiving from the Congress substantial additional funds to hire internal revenue agents to go out and collect these funds, and I'm happy to join Jim Baker in saying that we agree on this. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| But, the fact of the matter is that this is something that we must begin it's going to take at least the first year of the new administration. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| But, the Dorgan Task Force, the bipartisan task force estimated that we could collect about $35 billion in the fifth year, $105 billion over five years, the other study even more than that | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Governor. | Bernard Shaw | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| and that's where you begin. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| One minute response, Mr. Vice President. | Bernard Shaw | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Well, Andrea, you didn't predicate that lack of economists' support for what I call a flexible freeze, because some good very good economists do support that concept. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And I think where I differ with the Governor of Massachusetts, because I am optimistic. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| They jumped on me yesterday for being a little optimistic about the United States. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I am optimistic and I believe we can keep this longest expansion going. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I was not out there when that stock market dropped wringing my hands and saying this was the end of the world as some political leaders were, because it isn't the end of the world. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And what we have to do is restrain the growth of spending. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And we are doing a better job of it. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| The Congress is doing a better job of it. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And the dynamics work. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| But they don't work if you go raise taxes and then the Congress spends it continues to spend that. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| The American working man and woman are not taxed too little. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| The Federal Government continues to spend too much. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| (Applause) | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Hold it. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Mr. Vice President, Andrea has a question for you. | Bernard Shaw | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Mr. Vice President, you have flatly ruled out any change in Social Security benefits, even for the wealthy. | MITCHELL | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Now, can you stand here tonight and look at a whole generation of 18 to 34 year olds in the eye the very people who are going to have to be financing that retirement and tell them that they should be financing the retirement of people like yourself, like Governor Dukakis, or for that matter, people such as ourselves here on this panel? | MITCHELL | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| More so you than me. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| We could argue about that. | MITCHELL | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| No, but you got to go back to what social security was when it was created. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| It wasn't created as a welfare program. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| It wasn't created that is it was created as a whole retirement or supplement to retirement program. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| It wasn't created as a welfare program. | George H. W. Bush | NaN | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| So, here's what's happened. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| We came into office and the Social Security Trust Fund was in great jeopardy and the President took the leadership working with the Democrats and the Republicans in Congress some tough calls were made and the Social Security Trust Fund was put back into sound, solvent condition. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| So, I don't want to fool around with it. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And there are several there's a good political reason because it's just about this time of year that the Democrats start saying the Republicans are going to take away your Social Security. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| It always works that way. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I've seen it. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| In precinct politics in Texas and I've seen it at the national level. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| We have made the Social Security Trust Fund sound. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And it is going to be operating at surpluses and I don't want the liberal Democratic Congress to spend out of that Social Security Trust Fund or go and take the money out for some other purpose. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I don't want that. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And I will not go in there and suggest changes in Social Security. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I learned that the hard way and the Governor and I both supported slipping the COLAs for one year. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| He supported it at the National Governors Conference and I supported it in breaking a tie in a major compromise package and we got assailed by the Democrats in the election over that. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And I am going to keep that Social Security Trust Fund sound and keep our commitment to the elderly and maybe down the line, maybe when you get two decades or one into the next century, you're going to have to take another look at it, but not now. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| We do not have to do it. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Keep the trust with the older men and women of this country. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Governor, you have one minute, sir. | Bernard Shaw | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Andrea, I don't know which George Bush I'm listening to. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| George Bush, a few years ago, said that Social Security was basically a welfare system. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Oh, come on. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And in 1985, he flew back from the West Coast to cut that COLA. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I voted against that at the National Governors Association. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| We won a majority, we didn't win the two-thirds that was necessary nor to pass that resolution, George. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| But everybody knew what we were doing and I've opposed that. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| The reason that we raise concerns, not just in election years, but every year, because Republicans, once they're elected and start cutting. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| You did it in 1985. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| The Administration tried to do it repeatedly, repeatedly in 81 82. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And I'm sure you'll try to do it again. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Because there's no way you can finance what you want to spend. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| There's no way you can pay for that five year, $40 billion tax cut for the rich and still buy all those weapons systems you want to buy unless you raid the Social Security Trust Fund. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| (Applause) | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Ann Compton for the Vice President. | Bernard Shaw | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Mr. Vice President, there are three Justices on the Supreme Court who are in their 80's and it's very likely that the next President will get a chance to put a lasting mark on the Supreme Court. | COMPTON | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| For the record, would your nominees to the Supreme Court have to pass something that has been called a kind of conservative ideological litmus test and would you give us an idea of perhaps who two or three people on your short list are for the Court. | COMPTON | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| One I don't have a list yet. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I feel pretty confident tonight, but not that confident. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| (Laughter) | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Secondly, I don't have any litmus test. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| But what I would do is appoint people to the Federal Bench that will not legislate from the Bench, who will interpret the Constitution. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I do not want to see us go to again and Fm using this word advisedly a liberal majority that is going to legislate from the Bench. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| They don't like the use of the word, but may I remind his strong supporters that only last year in the primary, to capture that Democratic nomination, he said, "I am a progressive liberal Democrat." | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I won't support judges like that. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| There is no litmus test on any issue. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| But I will go out there and find men and women to interpret. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And I don't have a list, but I think the appointments that the President has made to the Bench have been outstanding, outstanding appointments. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Including Bork? | COMPTON | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Yeah. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I supported him. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| (Applause) | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| If the Vice President of the United States thinks that Robert Bork was an outstanding appointment (Cheers and Applause) | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| that is a very good reason for voting for Mike Dukakis and Lloyd Bentsen on the 8th of November. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| (Cheers and Applause) | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And I think the Vice President supported the Bork nomination. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| You know, Mr. Bush has never appointed a judge. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I've appointed over 130, so I have a record. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| (Laughter) | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And I'm very proud of it. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I don't ask people whether they're Republicans or Democrats. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I've appointed prosecutors, I've appointed defenders. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I don't appoint people I think are liberal or people who think - who I think are conservative. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I appoint people of independence and integrity and intelligence, people who will be a credit to the Bench. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And those are the standards that I will use in nominating people to the Supreme Court of the United States. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| These appointments are for life. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| These appointments are for life. | Michael S. Dukakis | NaN | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And when the Vice President talks about liberals on the Bench, I wonder who he's talking about? | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Is he talking about a former Governor of the State of California, who is a former prosecutor, a Republican named Earl Warren, because I think Chief Justice Earl Warren was an outstanding Chief Justice and I think most Americans do too. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Ann Compton has a question for you, Governor Dukakis. | Bernard Shaw | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Governor, millions of Americans are entitled to some of the protections and benefits that the Federal Government provides, including Social Security, pensions, Medicare for the elderly, Medicaid for the poor. | COMPTON | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| But in fact, there are so many millions of Americans who are eligible the government just can't continue to pay for all of those programs as they're currently constituted. | COMPTON | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| A blue ribbon panel shortly after the election is likely to recommend that you go where the money is when you make budget cuts, and that means entitlements. | COMPTON | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Before the election would you commit yourself to any of those hard choices, such as which one of those entitlements have to be redrawn? | COMPTON | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Andrea, why do people who want balanced budgets or to bring the deficit down always go to those programs which tend to benefit people of very modest means? | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Now, two-thirds of the people in this country who receive Social Security checks live entirely on that check; they have no other income. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And yet Mr. Bush tried to cut their cost of living increase in 1985. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Medicare is not getting less expensive; medical care for the elderly is getting more expensive, with greater deductibles, with fewer benefits, the kinds of things we've had under this Administration that have cut and chopped and reduced the kind of benefits that one gets under Medicare. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Yes, we now have catastrophic health insurance, but it's going to cost, and that's going to be an additional burden on elderly citizens. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| It had bipartisan support; it should have had bipartisan support. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| But I suggest that we understand that those are going to be additional costs on senior citizens across this country. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| So I'm not going to begin, and I'm not going to go to entitlements as a means for cutting that deficit when we're spending billions on something like Star Wars, when we're spending billions on other weapon systems which apparently the Vice President wants to keep in his back pocket or some place, but which, if we continue to spend billions on them, will force us to cut Social Security, to cut Medicare, to cut these basic entitlements to people of very, very modest means. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Now there are some things we can do to help people who currently do get entitlements to get off public assistance. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I talked in our first debate about the possibilities of helping millions and millions of welfare families to get off of welfare, and I'm proud to say that we finally have a welfare reform bill And the Ruby Samsons and Dan Lawsons, hundreds of thousands of welfare mothers in this country and in my state and across the country who today are working and earning are examples of what can happen when you provide training to those welfare mothers, some daycare for their children so that those mothers can go into a training program and get a decent job. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Governor | Bernard Shaw | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| That's the way you bring a deficit down and help to improve the quality of life for people at the same time. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| One minute for the Vice President. | Bernard Shaw | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I think I've addressed it. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| But let me simply say for the record, I did not vote to cut COLAs. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And I voted the same way that he did three months before in a national governors' conference. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And he said at that time, in a quote, and this is a paraphrase, a freeze, that's easy. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| So I don't believe that we need to do what you've suggested here. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And I've said that I'm going to keep this Social Security entitlement, to keep that trust fund sound. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| But I do think there are flexible ways to solve some of the pressing problems, particularly that affect our children. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And I have made some good sound proposals. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| But again, we have a big difference on child care, for example. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| You see, I want the families to have the choice. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I don't want to see the Federal Government licensing grandmothers. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I don't want to see the Federal Government saying to communities, well, you can't do this any more. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| We're going to tell you how to do it all. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I want flexibility, and I do you know, these people laugh about the thousand points of light. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| You ought to go out and see around this country what's happening in the volunteer section: Americans helping America. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And I want to keep it alive in child care and in other entitlements. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Margaret Warner for Gov. | Bernard Shaw | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Dukakis. | Bernard Shaw | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Governor, I'm going to pass on the question I originally planned to ask you, to follow up on your rebuttal to a question Andrea asked, and that involves Social Security. | WARNER | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Now it is true, as you said, that originally you sought an exemption for Social Security COLAs in this national governors' association vote. | WARNER | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| But when you lost that vote, you then endorsed the overall freeze proposal. | WARNER | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And what's more, you had great criticism of your fellow governors who wouldn't go along as political cowards. | WARNER | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| That is absolutely not true. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| You said it takes guts and it takes will. | WARNER | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| That is absolutely not true. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| It had nothing to do with the debate on Social Security. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| It had to do with the discussion we had had the previous day on the overall question of reducing the budget. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| My question is: Aren't you demagoguing the Social Security issue? | WARNER | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| No, and I have to (Applause) | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I just have to correct the record. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| That simply isn't true. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Now, we're not a parliamentary body, the National Governors Association. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| We vote on resolutions. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| If you don't get a two-thirds, then your resolution doesn't pass. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| But everybody knew that those of us who voted against the freezing of COLAs did so, we did so emphatically. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And I never made that statement; never would. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| The point is that as we look at this nation's future, and we have two very different visions of this future. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I want to move ahead. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| The Vice President talks about a thousand points of light. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I'm interested in 240 million points of light. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I'm interested in 240 million citizens in this country who share in the American dream, all of them in every part of this country. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| But as we look at the decisions that the next president of the United States is going to have to make, I just don't believe the place you go first is those programs, those so-called entitlements, which provide a basic floor of income and a modest amount of medical care for the elderly, the disabled, for people who can't make their way on their own, and in many cases, have given a great deal to this country. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| The Vice President did call Social Security a few years ago basically or largely a welfare program. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| It isn't. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| It's a contract between generations. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| It's something that we pay into now so that we will have a secure retirement, and our parents and grandparents will have a secure retirement. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| It's a very sacred contract, and I believe in it. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| So that's not where we ought to go. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| There are plenty of places to cut. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| There's lots we can do in the Pentagon where dishonest contractors have been lining their pockets at the expense of the American taxpayer. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| There are we certainly ought to be able to | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Governor | Bernard Shaw | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Give our farm families a decent income with spending $20to $25 billion a year on farm subsidies, and I'm sure we can do that. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| That's where we ought to go, and those are the programs we ought to review first. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| One minute for the Vice President. | Bernard Shaw | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Well, let me take him up on this question of farm subsidies. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| We have a fundamental difference, approach on agriculture. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| He favors this supply maintenance or production controls. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| He said that. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| He's been out in the state saying that, in Midwestern states. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I don't. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I think the farm bill that he criticizes was good legislation, outstanding legislation. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And I believe the answer to the agricultural economy is not to get the government further involved, but to do what I'm suggesting. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| In the first place, never go back to that Democratic grain embargo, that liberal Democrat grain embargo that knocked the markets right out from under us and made Mr. Gorbachev say to me when I was here, how do I know you're reliable suppliers? | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| We never should go back to that. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And we ought to expand our markets abroad. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| We ought to have rural enterprise zones. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| We ought to move forward swiftly on my ideas of ethanol which would use more corn, and therefore, create a bigger market for our agricultural products. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| But let's not go back and keep assailing a farm bill that passed with overwhelming Democrat and Republican support. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Mr. Vice President. | Bernard Shaw | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| The farm payments are going down because the agricultural economy is coming back. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Margaret Warner has a question for you, Mr. Vice President. | Bernard Shaw | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Mr. Vice President, I'd like to cover a subject that wasn't covered in the first debate. | WARNER | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| You have said in this campaign, I am an environmentalist, and described yourself as having zero tolerance for polluters. | WARNER | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And yet your record does seem to suggest otherwise. | WARNER | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| When you were head of the President's task force on regulatory relief, you did urge EPA to relax regulations involving the elimination of lead from gasoline. | WARNER | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I believe you urged suspension of rules requiring industries to treat toxic waste before discharging them in sewers. | WARNER | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And your group also urged OSHA to weaken the regulations requiring that workers be informed of dangerous chemicals at the work site. | WARNER | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Finally, I believe you did support the President's veto of the Clean Water Act. | WARNER | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| My question is, aren't you--how do you square your campaign rhetoric with this record? | WARNER | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| 90 percent reductions in lead since I chaired that regulatory task force; 90 percent. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| It's almost you remember that expression, get the lead out? | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| It's almost out. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Almost gone. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Clean water? | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I'm for clean water. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| But what I'm not for what I'm not for is measuring it the way that the Democratic Congress does. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| We sent up a good bill on clean water, a sound bill on clean water. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| But the only way you can express your love for clean water is to double the appropriations for clean water, and then rant against the deficit. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I am for clean water. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I've been an outdoorsman and a sportsman all my life. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I've been to these national parks. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I led for the Earl Wallop bill or formerly Dingell-Johnson. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I headed the task force when I was a member of the Congress way back in the late '60s on these kinds of things, on the Republican side. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I led for that. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And so I refuse to measure one's commitment as to whether you're going to double the spending. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| That is the same old argument that's gotten us into trouble on the deficit side. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| So I'll just keep saying, I am one. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I'm not going to go down there and try to dump the sludge from Massachusetts off the beaches off of New Jersey. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I'm not going to do that. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| That boo was excessively loud. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Can you add five seconds, Bernie, out of fairness? | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Come on, give me five. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I mean, this guy, this is too much. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| But I'm not going to do that. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I'm an environmentalist. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I believe in our parks. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I believe in the President's commission on outdoors. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And I'll do a good job, because I am committed. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Gov. | Bernard Shaw | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Dukakis, you have one minute to respond. | Bernard Shaw | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Margaret, I'm not sure I can get all of this in in one minute. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| George, we have supply management today under the 1985 bill. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| It's called set-asides. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Secondly, if you were so opposed to the grain embargo, why did you ask the godfather of the grain embargo to be one of your top foreign policy advisers? | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I'm against the grain embargo; it was a mistake. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I'm also against the pipeline embargo, which you folks attempted to impose. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| That was a mistake as well, and it cost thousands of jobs for American workers in the Midwest and all over the United States of America. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Margaret, once again, I don't know which George Bush I'm talking about here or looking at. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| The George Bush who was the charter member of the environmental wrecking crew that went to Washington in the early '80s and did a job on the EPA, or the one we've been seeing and listening to the past two or three months. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| But let me say this, because he spent millions and millions of dollars of advertising on the subject of Boston Harbor. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| George, Boston Harbor was polluted for 100 years. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I'm the first governor to clean it up. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| No thanks to you. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| No thanks to you. | Michael S. Dukakis | NaN | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| We've been cleaning it up for four years. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| We passed landmark legislation in '84. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| No thanks to you. | Michael S. Dukakis | NaN | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| You did everything you could to kill the Clean Water Act | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Governor. | Bernard Shaw | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And those grants which make it possible for states and local communities to clean up rivers and harbors and streams. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| (Applause) | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Mr. Vice President, Jimmy Carter has called this the worst campaign ever. | MITCHELL | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Richard Nixon has called it trivial, superficial and inane. | MITCHELL | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Whoever started down this road first, of negative campaigning, the American people, from all reports coming to us, are completely fed up. | MITCHELL | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Now, do you have any solutions to suggest? | MITCHELL | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Is there time left to fix it? | MITCHELL | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| There are 26 days left. | MITCHELL | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| For instance, would you agree to another debate, before it's all over, so that the American people would have another chance before election day to compare you two? | MITCHELL | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| No. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I will not agree to another debate. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| The American people are up to here with debates. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| They had thirty of them; we had seven of them. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Now we've got three of them. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I am going to carry this election debate all across this country in the last whatever remains of the last three and a half weeks, or whatever we have and the answer is no; I am not going to have any more debates, we don't need any more debates. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I've spelled out my position. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| In terms of negative campaigning, you know, I don't want to sound like a kid in the schoolyard: he started it. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| But take a look at the Democratic convention take a look at it. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Do you remember the Senator from Boston chanting out there and the ridicule factor from that lady from Texas that was on there; I mean, come on, this was just outrageous. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| But I'll try harder to keep it on a high plane. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| If you could accept a little criticism, I went all across central Illinois and spoke about agricultural issues, about seven stops. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| We had some fun Crystal Gayle and Loretta Lynn with us, and they got up and sang, went to little towns and I talked agriculture. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And not one thing did I see, with respect, on your network about my views on agriculture, and not one did I read in any newspaper. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Why? | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Because you are so interested in a poll that might have been coming out, or because somebody had said something nasty about somebody else. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And so I don't know what the answer is. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Somebody hit me and said Barry Goldwater said you ought to talk on issues more. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| How can Barry Goldwater sitting in Arizona know whether I'm talking on the issues or not when we put out position paper after position paper, he puts out position paper after position paper; and we see this much about it, because everyone else is fascinated with polls and who's up or down today and who's going to be up or down tomorrow. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| So I think we can all share, with respect, in the fact that maybe the message is not getting out. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| But it's not getting out because there are too few debates. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| There will be no more debates. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| (Applause) | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Governor Dukakis, you have one minute to respond, sir. | Bernard Shaw | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I can understand, after the vice presidential debate, why Mr. Bush would want no more debates. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| (Laughter, boos) That's my five seconds. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Andrea, I think we both have a responsibility to try to address the issues. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Yes, we have fundamental differences. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I think a great many of them have come out today. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And I think if we get rid of the labels--and I'm not keeping count, but I think Mr. Bush has used the label "liberal" at least ten times if I had a dollar, George, for every time you used that label, I'd qualify for one of those tax breaks for the rich that you want to give away. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| (Laughter, applause) Isn't that the point? | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Most Americans believe in basic values. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| We have differences about how to achieve them. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I want to move forward, I want this nation to move forward. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I am concerned about the fact that 10 percent of our manufacturing and 20 percent of our banking and nearly half of the real estate in the city of Los Angeles are in the hands of foreign investors. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I am concerned about what that does to our future. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I'm concerned about the fact that so many of our securities are in the hands of foreign banks because of these massive deficits. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| But those are the issues on which we ought to be debating and if we can just put away the flag factories and the balloons and those kinds of thing and get on to a real discussion of these issues, I think we will have a good success. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Andrea Mitchell has a question for you, Governor Dukakis. | Bernard Shaw | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| We are talking about issues, so let's return to something you said earlier about the modernization of land-based missiles. | MITCHELL | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| You said that you didn't rule it out that there are limits to what we can spend, and then you went on to talk about a much more expensive part of our defense strategy, namely, conventional forces. | MITCHELL | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Do you somehow see conventional forces as a substitute for our strategic forces, and in not talking about the land-based missiles and not committing to modernizing, do you somehow believe that we can have a survivable nuclear force based on the air and sea legs of our triad? | MITCHELL | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I think we ought to be looking at modernization, I think we ought to be exploring less expensive ways to get it on land, and we ought to make sure that we have an effective and strong and credible nuclear deterrent. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| But we also need well-equipped and well-trained and well-supported conventional forces. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And every defense expert I know, including people in the Pentagon itself, will tell you that given the level of defense spending and the level of defense appropriations which the Congress has now approved and the president has signed, there's no way that you can do all of these things and do them well. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| That's why tough choices will be required, choices I am prepared to make, Mr. Bush is not prepared to make. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| But, Andrea, I think we can go far beyond this as well, because we have opportunities now step-by-step to bring down the level of strategic weapons, get a test ban treaty, negotiate those conventional force reductions. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I would challenge Mr. Gorbachev to join with us in limiting in eliminating regional conflict in the Middle East, in Central America. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Let's get him working on Syria, their client state, and see if we can't get them to join Israel and other Arab nations, if at all possible, and Arab leaders, in finally bringing peace to that troubled region. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And I think that's one reason why we need fresh leadership in the White House that can make progress now in bringing peace to the Middle East. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Let's go to work and end this fiasco in Central America, a failed policy which has actually increased Cuban and Soviet influence. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| The democratic leaders of Central and Latin America want to work with us. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I've met with them, I know them, I've spent time in South America-speak the language, so does Senator Bentsen. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| We want to work with them and build a new relationship, and they with us. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| But not a one of those key democratic leaders support our policy in Central America. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And we've got to work with them if we are going to create an environment for human rights and democracy for the people of this hemisphere, and go to work on our single most important problem, and that is the avalanche of drugs that is poring into our country and virtually destroying those countries. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Those are the kinds of priorities for national security and for foreign policy that I want to pursue Mr. Bush and I have major differences on these issues and I hope very much to be president and pursue them. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Mr. Vice President, you have one minute. | Bernard Shaw | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| In terms of regional tensions, we have now gotten the attention of the Soviet Union. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And the reason we've gotten it is because they see us now as unwilling to make the very kinds of unilateral cuts that have been called for and to go for the discredited freeze. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| My opponent had trouble, criticized us, on our policy in Angola. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| It now looks, because of steady negotiation, that we may have an agreement that will remove the Cubans from Angola. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| We see the Russians coming out of Afghanistan. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| That wouldn't have stopped if we hadn't been willing wouldn't have even started, the Soviets coming out, if we hadn't even been willing to support the freedom fighters there. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And the policy in Central America, regrettably, has failed because the Congress has been unwilling to support those who have been fighting for freedom. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Those Sandinistas came in and betrayed the trust of the revolution; they said it was about democracy, and they have done nothing other than solidify their Marxist domination over that country. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Ann Compton for Governor Dukakis. | Bernard Shaw | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Governor, nuclear weapons need nuclear material replenished on a regular basis, and just this week yet another nuclear manufacturing plant was closed because of safety concerns. | COMPTON | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Some in the Pentagon fear that too much priority has been put on new weapons programs, not enough on current programs, and worry that the resulting shortage would be amounting to nothing less than unilateral nuclear disarmament. | COMPTON | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Is that a priority that you feel has been ignored by this administration, or are the Pentagon officials making too much of it? | COMPTON | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Well, it's a great concern of mine and I think of all Americans, and perhaps the vice president can tell us what's been going on. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| This is another example of misplaced priorities. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| An administration which wants to billions on weapons systems that we don't need and can't afford, and now confronts us with a very serious problem, and plants that are supposed to be producing tritium and plutonium and providing the necessary materials for existing weapons. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Yes, if we don't do something about it, we may find ourselves unilaterally, if I may use that term, dismantling some of these weapons. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| What's been going on? | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Who's been in charge? | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Who's been managing this system? | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Why have there been these safety violations? | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Why are these plants being closed down? | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I don't know what the latest cost estimates are, but it's going to be in the range of 25, 50, 75, $100 billion. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Now, somebody has to bear the responsibility for this. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Maybe the Vice President has an answer. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| But I'm somebody who believes very strongly in taking care of the fundamentals first before you start new stuff. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And that's something which will be a priority of ours in the new administration because without it, we cannot have the effective and strong and credible nuclear deterrent we must have. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Mr. Vice President, you have one minute. | Bernard Shaw | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| That is the closest I have ever heard the Governor of Massachusetts come to support anything having to do with nuclear, that's about as close as I've ever heard him Yes, this Savannah River plant needs to be made more safe. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Will he join me in suggesting that we may need another plant? | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Maybe in Idaho, to take care of the requirements, nuclear material requirements, for our Defense Department? | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I hope he will. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| This sounds like real progress here, because we've had a big difference on the safe use of nuclear power for our energy base. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I believe that we must use clean, safe nuclear power. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I believe that the more dependent we become on foreign oil, the less our national security is enhanced. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And therefore, I've made some proposals to strengthen the domestic oil industry by more incentive going in to look for, and find, and produce oil; made some incentives in terms of secondary and tertiary production. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| But we're going to have to use more gas, more coal and more safe nuclear power for our energy base. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| So I am one who believes that we can | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Mr. Vice President. | Bernard Shaw | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| and must do what he's talking about now. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Ann Compton has a question for you. | Bernard Shaw | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Mr. Vice President, as many as 100 officials in this Administration have left the government under an ethical cloud. | COMPTON | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Some have been indicted, some convicted. | COMPTON | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Many of the cases have involved undue influence once they're outside of government. | COMPTON | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| If you become president, will you lock that revolving door that has allowed some men and women in the government to come back and lobby the very departments they once managed? | COMPTON | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Yes, and I'll apply it to Congress too. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I'll do both. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I'll do both. | George H. W. Bush | NaN | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Because I think you see, I am one who I get kidded by being a little old fashioned on these things, but I do believe in public service. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I believe that public service is honorable. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And I don't think anybody has a call on people in their Administrations going astray. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| His chief education adviser is in jail He's in jail because he betrayed the public trust. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| The head of education. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And yet this man, the governor, equated the President to a rotting fish. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| He said that a fish rots from the head down as he was going after Ed Meese. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Look, we need the highest possible ethical standards. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I will have an ethical office in the White House that will be under the President's personal concern. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I will see that these standards apply to the United States Congress. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I hope I will do a good job as one who has had a relatively clean record with no conflicts of interest in his own public life, as has the Governor, to exhort young people to get into public service. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| But there is no corner on this sleaze factor, believe me. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And it's a disgrace, and I will do my level best to clean it up, recognizing that you can't legislate morality. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| But I do believe that with my record in Congress, having led the new Congressmen to a code of ethics through major main emphasis on it in full disclosure, that I've got a good record. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And there are more, if you want to talk about percentage appointments, more Members of Congress who have been under investigation percentage-wise that people in the executive branch. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And so it isn't one and state governments have had a tough time. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| His some of his college presidents aren't exactly holier than thou. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| So let's not be throwing stones about it. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Let's say, this isn't Democrat or Republican, and it isn't liberal or conservative. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Let's vow to work together to do something about it. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Governor, you have one minute to respond to it. | Bernard Shaw | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And I would agree that integrity is not a Republican or a Democratic issue; it's an American issue. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| But here again, I don't know which George Bush I'm listening to. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Wasn't this the George Bush that supported Mr. Meese? | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Called James Watt an excellent Secretary of the Interior? | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Provided support for some of these people, supported the nomination of Robert Bork to the Supreme Court of the United States. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| We've had dozens we've had dozens and dozens of officials in this Administration who have left under a cloud, who have left with the special prosecutor in their arm, have been indicted, convicted. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| This isn't the kind of Administration we need. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And one of the reasons our selection of a running mate is so important, it is such a test of the kinds of standards we'll set, is because it tells the American people in advance of the election just what kind of people we're looking for. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I picked Lloyd Bentsen. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Mr. Bush picked Dan Quayle. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I think that says a great deal to the American people about the standards we'll set and the quality of the people that we will pick to serve in our Administration. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| To each of you candidates, regrettably, I have to inform you that we have come to the end of our questions. | Bernard Shaw | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| That's a pity. | Bernard Shaw | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Before I ask the candidates to make their closing remarks, on behalf of the Commission on Presidential Debates, I would like to thank all of you for joining us this evening. | Bernard Shaw | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Governor Dukakis, yours is the first closing statement, sir. | Bernard Shaw | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| GOU. | Bernard Shaw | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| 28 years ago, as a young man just graduated from law school, I came to this city, came clear across the country, to watch John Kennedy be nominated for the presidency of the United States, right here in Los Angeles. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I never dreamed that some day I would win that nomination and be my party's nominee for president. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| That's America. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| That's why I'm proud and grateful to be a citizen of this country. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| 26 days from today you and millions of Americans will choose two people to lead us into the future as president and vice president of the United States. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Our opponents say, things are okay. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Don't rock the boat. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Not to worry. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| They say we should be satisfied. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| But I don't think we can be satisfied when we're spending $150 billion a year in interest alone on the national debt, much of it going to foreign bankers; or when 25 percent of our high school students are dropping out of school; or when we have 2-1/2 million of our fellow citizens, a third of them veterans, who are homeless and living on streets and in doorways in this country, when Mr. Bush's prescription for our economic future is another tax giveaway to the rich. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| We can do better than that. | Michael S. Dukakis | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Not working with government alone, but all of us working together. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Lloyd Bentsen and I are optimists, and so are the American people. | Michael S. Dukakis | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And we ask you for our hand for your hands and your hearts, and your votes on the 8th of November so we can move forward in the future. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Kitty and I are very grateful to all of you for the warmth and the hospitality that you've given to us in your homes and communities all across this country. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| We love you, and we're grateful to you for everything that you've given to us. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And we hope that we'll be serving you in the White House in January of 1989. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Thank you, and God bless you. | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| (Applause) | Michael S. Dukakis | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Vice President Bush, your closing statement, sir. | Bernard Shaw | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Sometimes it does seem that a campaign generates more heat than light. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| So let me repeat, I do have respect for my opponent, for his family, for the justifiable pride he takes in his heritage. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| But we have enormous differences. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I want to hold the line on taxes, and keep this the longest expansion in modern history going until everybody in America benefits. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I want to invest in our children. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Because I mean it when I say I want a kinder and gentler nation. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And by that I want to have child care where the families, the parents, have control. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I want to keep our neighborhoods much, much better in terms of anti-crime, and that's why I would appoint judges that have a little more sympathy for the victims of crime and a little less for the criminals. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| That's why I do feel if some police officer is gunned down that the death penalty is required. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I want to help those with disabilities fit into the mainstream. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| There is much to be done. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| This election is about big things. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And perhaps the biggest is world peace. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And I ask you to consider the experience I have had in working with a President who has revolutionized the situation around the world. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| America stands tall again, and as a result, we are credible. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And we have now achieved an historic arms control agreement. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I want to build on that. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| I'd love to be able to say to my grandchildren, four years after my first term, I'd like to say, your grandfather, working with the leaders of the Soviet Union, working with the leaders of Europe, was able to ban chemical and biological weapons from the face of the earth. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Lincoln called this country the last best hope of man on earth. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And he was right then, and we still are the last best hope of man on earth. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And I ask for your support on November 8th. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| And I will be a good president. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Working together, we can do wonderful things for the United States and the Free World. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |
| Thank you very, very much. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1988 | 13 Oct 1988 |