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Arguments Table
| Speech | Name | Component | Year | Date |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Good evening from Atlanta and welcome to the vice presidential debate sponsored by the Nonpartisan Commission on Presidential Debates. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| It's being held here in the Theater for the Arts on the campus of Georgia Tech. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I'm Hal Bruno from ABC News and I'm going to be moderating tonight's debate. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| The participants are Republican Vice President Dan Quayle. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| (APPLAUSE) Democratic Senator Al Gore. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| (APPLAUSE) And retired Vice Admiral James Stockdale, who is the vice presidential nominee -- (APPLAUSE) -- for independent candidate Ross Perot. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| (APPLAUSE) Now, the ground rules for tonight's debate. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Each candidate will have 2 minutes for an opening statement. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I will then present the issues to be discussed. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| For each topic, the candidates will have a minute and 15 seconds to respond. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Then this will be followed by a 5 minute discussion period in which they can ask questions of each other if they so choose. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Now, the order of response has been determined by a drawing and we'll rotate with each topic. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| At the end of the debate, each candidate will have 2 minutes for a closing statement. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Our radio and TV audience should know that the candidates were given an equal allocation of auditorium seats for their supporters. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| So I'd like to ask the audience here in the theater to please refrain from applause or any partisan demonstration once the debate is under way because it takes time away from the candidates. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| So with that plea from your moderator let's get started. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| And we'll turn first to Senator Gore for his opening statement. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Good evening. | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| It's great to be here in Atlanta for this debate where America will be showcased to the world when the 1996 Olympics are put on right here. | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| It's appropriate because in a real sense, our discussion this evening will be about what kind of nation we want to be 4 years from now. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| It's also a pleasure to be with my 2 opponents this evening. | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Admiral Stockdale, may I say it's a special honor to share this stage with you. | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Those of us who served in Vietnam looked at you as a national hero even before you were awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| And Mr. Vice President -- Dan, if I may -- it was 16 years ago that you and I went to the Congress on the very first day together. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I'll make you a deal this evening. | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| If you don't try to compare George Bush to Harry Truman, I won't compare you to Jack Kennedy. | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| (APPLAUSE) Harry Truman -- | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Do you remember the last time someone compared themselves to Jack Kennedy? | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Do you remember what they said? | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Harry Truman, it's worth remembering, assumed the presidency when Franklin Roosevelt died here in Georgia -- only one of many occasions when fate thrust a vice president into the Oval Office in a time of crisis. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| It's something to think about during the debate this evening. | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| But our real discussion is going to be about change. | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Bill Clinton and I stand for change because we don't believe our nation can stand 4 more years of what we've had under George Bush and Dan Quayle. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| When the recession came they were like a deer caught in the headlights -- paralyzed into inaction, blinded to the suffering and pain of bankruptcies and people who were unemployed. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| We have an environmental crisis, a health insurance crisis, substandard education. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| It is time for a change. | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Bill Clinton and I want to get our country moving forward again, put our people back to work, and create a bright future for the US of America. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Okay, the next statement will be from Vice President Quayle. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Well, thank you, Senator Gore, for reminding me about my performance in the 1988 vice presidential debate. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| This is 1992, Bill Clinton is running against President George Bush. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| There are 2 things that I'm going to stress during this debate: one, Bill Clinton's economic plan and his agenda will make matters much, much worse -- he will raise your taxes, he will increase spending, he will make government bigger, jobs will be lost; second, Bill Clinton does not have the strength nor the character to be president of the US. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| (APPLAUSE) Let us look at the agendas. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| President Bush wants to hold the line on taxes, Bill Clinton wants to raise taxes. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| President Bush is for a balanced budget amendment, Bill Clinton is opposed to it. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| We want to reform the legal system because it's too costly, Bill Clinton wants the status quo. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| We want to reform the health care system, Bill Clinton wants to ration health care. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Bill Clinton wants to empower government, we want to empower people. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| In St. Louis, Missouri, in June of this year, Bill Clinton said this: "America is the mockery of the world." | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| He is wrong. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| At some time during these next 4 years there is going to be a crisis -- there will be an international crisis. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I can't tell you where it's going to be, I can't even tell you the circumstances -- but it will happen. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| We need a president who has the experience, who has been tested, who has the integrity and qualifications to handle the crisis. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| The president has been tested, the president has the integrity and the character. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| The choice is yours. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| You need to have a president you can trust. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Can you really trust Bill Clinton? | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Admiral Stockdale, your opening statement, please, sir? | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Who am I? | James B. Stockdale | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Why am I here? | James B. Stockdale | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| (Laughter and applause) I'm not a politician -- everybody knows that. | James B. Stockdale | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| So don't expect me to use the language of the Washington insider. | James B. Stockdale | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Thirty-seven years in the Navy, and only one of them up there in Washington. | James B. Stockdale | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| And now I'm an academic. | James B. Stockdale | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| The centerpiece of my life was the Vietnam War. | James B. Stockdale | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I was there the day it started. | James B. Stockdale | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I led the first bombing raid against North Vietnam. | James B. Stockdale | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I was there the day it ended, and I was there for everything in between. | James B. Stockdale | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Ten years in Vietnam, aerial combat, and torture. | James B. Stockdale | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I know things about the Vietnam War better than anybody in the world. | James B. Stockdale | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I know some things about the Vietnam War better than anybody in the world. | James B. Stockdale | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| And I know how governments, how American governments can be -- can be courageous, and how they can be callow. | James B. Stockdale | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| And that's important. | James B. Stockdale | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| That's one thing I'm an insider on. | James B. Stockdale | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I was the leader of the underground of the American pilots who were shot down in prison in North Vietnam. | James B. Stockdale | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| You should know that the American character displayed in those dungeons by those fine men was a thing of beauty. | James B. Stockdale | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I look back on those years as the beginning of wisdom, learning everything a man can learn about the vulnerabilities and the strengths that are ours as Americans. | James B. Stockdale | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Why am I here tonight? | James B. Stockdale | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I am here because I have in my brain and in my heart what it takes to lead America through tough times. | James B. Stockdale | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Thank you, Admiral. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I thought since you're running for vice president, that we ought to start off by talking about the vice presidency itself. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| The vice president presides over the Senate, he casts a deciding vote in case of a tie, but his role really depends on the assignments that are given to him by the president. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| However, if a president should die in office, or is unable to serve for any other reason, the vice president automatically becomes president, and that has happened 5 times in this century. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| So the proposition I put on the table for you to discuss is this. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| What role would each of you like to play as vice president, what areas interest you, and what are your qualifications to serve as president, if necessary? | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| In the case of Vice President Quayle, who we're starting with, I suppose you'd tell us the role that you did play in the first term and which you'd like to do in a 2nd term. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Go ahead, sir. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Well, then I won't give you that answer. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Qualifications. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I've been there, Hal. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I've done the job. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I've been tested. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I've been vice president for 4 years. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Senator Gore referred to us being elected to the Congress together in 1976. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I've done the job. | James D. Quayle | NaN | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I've done many things for the president. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| But even as vice president you never know exactly what your role is going to be from time to time, and let me just give you an example of where I was tested under fire and in a crisis. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| President Bush was flying to Malta in 1989 to meet with President Gorbachev. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| It was the first meeting between President Bush and President Gorbachev. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| They had known each other before. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| A coup broke out in the Philippines. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I had to go to the situation room. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I had to assemble the president's advisers. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I talked to President Aquino. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I made the recommendation to the president. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| The president made the decision, the coup was suppressed, democracy continued in the Philippines, the situation was ended. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I've been there. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| And I'll tell you one other thing that qualifies you for being president -- and it's this, Hal -- you've got to stand up for what you believe in. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| And nobody has ever criticized me for not having strong beliefs. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| (APPLAUSE.) | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Admiral Stockdale. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| My association with Mr. Perot is a very personal one and as I have stood in and finally taken his running mate position, he has granted me total autonomy. | James B. Stockdale | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I don't take advantage of it, but I am sure that he would make me a partner in decision, in making decisions about the way to handle health care, the way to get this economy back on its feet again, in every way. | James B. Stockdale | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I have not had the experience of these gentlemen, but -- to be any more specific -- but I know I have his trust, and I intend to act in a way to keep that situation alive. | James B. Stockdale | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Thank you. | James B. Stockdale | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Senator Gore. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Bill Clinton understands the meaning of the words "teamwork" and "partnership." | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| If we're successful in our efforts to gain your trust and lead this nation, we will work together to put our country back on the right track again. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| The experience that George Bush and Dan Quayle have been talking about includes the worst economic performance since the Great Depression. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Unemployment is up, personal income is down, bankruptcies are up, housing starts are down. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| How long can we continue with trickle-down economics when the record of failure is so abundantly clear? | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Discussions of the vice presidency tend sometimes to focus on the crisis during which a vice president is thrust into the Oval Office, and indeed, one-3rd of the vice presidents who have served have been moved into the White House. | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| But the teamwork and partnership beforehand -- and hopefully that situation never happens -- how you work together is critically important. | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| The way we work together in this campaign is one sample. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Now I'd like to say in response to Vice President Quayle- -he talked about Malta and the Philippines. | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| George Bush has concentrated on every other country in the world. | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| When are you guys going to start worrying about our people here in the US of America and get our country moving again? | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| (APPLAUSE) | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Again, I will ask the audience: please do not applaud, it takes time from the candidates. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| All right, now we have 5 minutes for discussion. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Go ahead, Vice President Quayle. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| The answer to that is very simple: we are not going to raise taxes to create new jobs, we have a plan to create new jobs. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| But that wasn't the question. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| The question dealt with qualifications. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Teamwork and partnership may be fine in the Congress, Senator Gore -- that's what Congress is all about, compromise, teamwork, working things out. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| But when you're president of the US or when you're vice president and you have to fill in like I did the night of the crisis in the Philippines, you've got to make a decision, you've got to make up your mind. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Bill Clinton, running for president of the US, said this about the Persian Gulf war. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| "Had I been in the Senate, I would have voted with the majority, if it was a close vote. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| But I agreed with the arguments of the minority." | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| You can't have it both ways, you have to make a decision. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| You cannot sit there in an international crisis -- (APPLAUSE) -- and sit there and say, well, on the one hand, this is okay, and, on the other hand, this is okay. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| You've got to make the decision. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| President Bush has made the decisions; he's been tested, he's got the experience, he's got the qualification, he's got the integrity to be our president for the next 4 years. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Thank you, Mr. Vice President. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Admiral Stockdale, it's your turn to respond next, and then Senator Gore will have his chance to respond. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Okay. | James B. Stockdale | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I thought this was just an open session, this 5-minute thing, and I didn't have anything to add to his. | James B. Stockdale | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| But I will -- | James B. Stockdale | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Well, I'll jump in if you don't want -- (Laughter) | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I thought anyone could jump in whenever they wanted to. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Okay, whatever pleases you gentlemen is fine with me. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| You're the candidates. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| But I want Admiral Stockdale's time. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| (Laughter and applause) | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| This is not the Senate, where you can trade off time. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Go ahead, Senator Gore. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I'll let you all figure out the rules, I've got some points that I want to make here, and I still haven't gotten an answer to my question on when you guys are going to start worrying about this country, but I want to elaborate on it before -- | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Why doesn't the Democratic Congress -- why doesn't the Democratic Congress pass the president’s bill? | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Mr. Vice President, let him say his thoughts, and then you can come in. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I was very patient in letting you get off that string of attacks. | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| We've been listening to -- | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Good points. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| -- trickle-down economics for 12 years now, and you all still support trickle-down to the very last drop. | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| And, you know, talking about this point of concentrating on every other country in the world as opposed to the people of our country right here at home, when George Bush took former Secretary of State Baker out of the State Dept and put him in charge of the campaign and made him chief of staff in the White, Mr. Baker, who's quite a capable man, said that for these last 4 years George Bush was working on the problems of the rest of the world and in the next 4 years he would target America. | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Well, I want you to know we really appreciate that. | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| But Bill Clinton and I will target America from day one. | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| We won't wait 4 years before we concentrate on the problems in this country. | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| He went on to say that it's really amazing what George Bush can do when he concentrates. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Well, it's time that we had a president like Bill Clinton who can concentrate and will concentrate and work on the problems of real people in this country. | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| You know, our country is in trouble. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| We simply cannot continue with this philosophy of giving huge tax cuts to the very wealthy, raising taxes on middle income families the way Bush and Quayle have done and then waiting for it to work. | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| How much longer will it take, Dan, for trickle down economics to work, in your theory? | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Well, we're going to have plenty of time to talk about trickle down government, which you're for. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| But the question -- | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Well, I'd like to hear the answer. | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| But the question is -- the question is -- and which you have failed to address, and that is, why is Bill Clinton qualified to be president of the US. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| You've talked about -- | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Oh, I'll be happy to answer that question -- | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| You've talked about Jim Baker. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| You've talked about trickle down economics. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| You've talked about the worst economy- | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Now, wait a minute. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| The question was about -- | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| -- in 50 years. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I'll be happy to answer those. | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| May I answer -- | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Why is he qualified to be president of the US? | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I'll be happy to -- | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I want to go back and make a point -- | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Well, you've asked me the question. | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| If you won't answer my question I will answer yours. | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I have not asked you a question. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I've made a statement. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I have not asked you a question, I’ve made a statement that you have not told us why Bill Clinton is qualified to be president of the US. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I pointed out what he said about the Persian Gulf War. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| But let me repeat it for you. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Here's what he said, Senator. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| You know full well what he said. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| You want me to answer your question? | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I'm making a statement. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Then you can answer it. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Can we give Admiral Stockdale a chance to come in, please -- (APPLAUSE) And again, audience -- (Simultaneous conversation) | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| (Inaudible) here's what he said. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I mean, this is the Persian Gulf War -- the most important event in his political lifetime and here's what Bill Clinton says. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| If it's a close vote, I'd vote with the majority. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Let's give Admiral Stockdale a chance to come in. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| But he was the minority. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| That qualifies you for being president of the US. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I hope America is listening very closely to this debate tonight. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| And I think America is seeing right now the reason this nation is in gridlock. | James B. Stockdale | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| (Laughter, applause) The trickle downs and the tax and spends, or whatever you want to call them are at swords points. | James B. Stockdale | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| We can't get this economy going. | James B. Stockdale | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Over here we've got Dan whose president is going to take 8 years to balance the budget and on my left, the senator, whose boss is going to get it half way balanced in 4 years. | James B. Stockdale | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Ross Perot has got a plan to balance the budget 5 years in length from start to finish. | James B. Stockdale | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| And we're -- people of the non-professional category who are just sick of this terrible thing that's happened to the country. | James B. Stockdale | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| And we've got a man who knows how to fix it, and I'm working for him. | James B. Stockdale | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| (APPLAUSE) | James B. Stockdale | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I was a little bit worried that there might not be a free flowing discussion tonight. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| (Laughter) Let's move on to the economy. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Specifically the economy was talked about at great length the other night in the presidential debate. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Let's talk about a very particular aspect of the economy and that is, getting people back to work. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| For the average person, the great fear is losing his or her job and many Americans have lost jobs in this recession, which also means the loss of benefits, the loss of a home, the destruction of a family's security. | Hal Bruno | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Specifically, how would your administration go about getting people back to work and how long is it going to take? | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| And we start with Admiral Stockdale. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| The lifeblood of our economy is investment. | James B. Stockdale | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| And right now when we pay $350 -- we borrow $350 billion a year it saps the money markets and the private investors are not getting their share. | James B. Stockdale | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| What we do is work on that budget by an aggressive program, not a painful program, so that we can start borrowing less money and getting more investment money on the street through entrepreneurs who can build factories, who will hire people, and maybe we'll start manufacturing goods here in this country again. | James B. Stockdale | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| That's -- that's my answer. | James B. Stockdale | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Okay. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Senator Gore. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Bill Clinton's top priority is putting America back to work. | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Bill Clinton and I will create good, high-wage jobs for our people, the same way he has done in his state. | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Bill Clinton has created high-wage manufacturing jobs at 10 times the national average and in fact according to the statistics coming from the Bush-Quayle Labor Dept, for the last 2 years in a role Bill Clinton's state has been number one among all 50 in the creation of jobs in the private sector. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| By contrast, in the nation as a whole, during the last 4 years, it is the first time since the presidency of Herbert Hoover, that we have gone for a 4-year period with fewer jobs at the end of that 4-year period than we had at the beginning. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| And look at manufacturing. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| We have lost 1.4 million jobs in manufacturing under George Bush and Dan Quayle. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| They have even -- we learned 2 weeks ago -- taken our tax dollars and subsidized the moving of US factories to foreign countries. | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Now don't deny it because 60 Minutes and Nightline and the nation's newspapers have investigated this very carefully. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| (Laughter.) | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| When are you going to stop using our tax dollars to shut down American factories and move 'em to foreign countries and throw Americans out of work? | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Vice President Quayle. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Senator, don't always believe what you see on television. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| (APPLAUSE.) | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| the media have been wrong before. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| We have never subsidized any country -- or any company to move from the US to Latin America. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| You know full well the Caribbean Basin Initiative, you've supported that. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| No. | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| That is a program there -- | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I voted against it. | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| You voted for it and your record -- | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| No. | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Okay. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Well, we'll -- we'll have a lot of interesting debate after this debate. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Our people will be glad to furnish the press, if they're interested, in Senator Gore's voting record on the Caribbean Basin Initiative. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| But let's talk -- you know, you keep talking about trickle-down economics and all this stuff, about the worst economy since Hoover. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| It is a bad economy. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| It's a tough economy. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| The question isn't -- it's not who you're going to blame; it’s what are you going to do about it? | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Your proposal it to raise $150 billion in taxes. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| To raise $220 billion in new spending. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| No. | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| How is raising taxes going to help small business? | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| How is raising taxes going to help the farmer? | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| How is raising taxes going to help the consumer in America? | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I submit to you that raising taxes will make matters much, much worse. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| (APPLAUSE.) | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Admiral. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| We now throw it open for discussion. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Admiral Stockdale, it's your turn to start the discussion. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Well, we've got to re -- we've got to clean out the barn, if I may quote my boss, and start getting this investment money on the street so we can get, and encourage entrepreneurs to build factories. | James B. Stockdale | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| We -- the program is out there. | James B. Stockdale | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| It's a put-together thing that requires some sacrifice, but not excessive, and we are willing to move forward in -- on a 5-year clip to put us back where we can start over and get -- get this nation straightened out. | James B. Stockdale | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Senator Gore, getting people back to work. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Well, the difference between the Perot- Stockdale plan and the Clinton-Gore plan is that Ross Perot's plan concentrates almost exclusively on balancing the budget and reducing the budget deficit, and the danger is that if that is the only goal it could throw our nation back into an even worse recession. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Bill Clinton and I have a detailed 5-year budget plan to create good jobs, cut the budget deficit in half, and eliminate the investment deficit in order to get our economy moving forward again. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| We have a $20-billion infrastructure fund to create a nationwide network of high-speed rail, for example, and what are called information superhighways to open up a whole universe of knowledge for our young people and to help our universities and companies that rely on new advances in the information revolution. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| We also have tax incentives for investment in job-creating activities, not the kind of encouragement for short-term rip-offs like the proposal that we have had from George Bush. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| But I want to return and say one more time: you have used our tax dollars to subsidize the recruitment of US companies to move overseas and throw Americans out of work. | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| In Decaturville, Tennessee, not very far from my home, a factory was shut down right there when they were solicited by officials paid with US taxpayers' money, and then the replacement workers in a foreign country were trained with our tax dollars and then their imports were subsidized coming back into the US. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| When are you going to stop that program? | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| We do not have any program that encourages companies to close down here and to go and invest on foreign soil. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| That is absolutely outrageous. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Of course American businesses do have business abroad; we've got global competition. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| We want businesses to expand. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Do you realize this, Senator, that every job that's overseas there's 3 jobs back here to support that. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| But never have we ever, nor would we, support the idea of someone closing down a factory here and moving overseas. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| That's just totally ridiculous. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| It's going on right now; it happened in Tennessee, in Decaturville, Tennessee. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| When George Bush went to Nashville, the employees who lost their jobs asked to meet with -- | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I want to get back -- | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I talked with them. | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Let me tell you what they're feeling. | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Some of them are in their 50s and 60s. | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| They want to know where they're going to get new jobs when their jobs have been destroyed. | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| And there are 1.4 million manufacturing jobs that have been lost because of the policies of you and George Bush. | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Do you seriously believe that we ought to continue the same policies that have created the worst economy since the Great Depression? | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I hope that when you talked to those people you said: and the first thing that Bill Clinton and I are going to do is to raise $150 billion in new taxes. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| You got that wrong, too. | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| And the first -- that is part of your plan. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| No, it's not. | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| A hundred and fifty billion dollars in new taxes. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Well, you're going to disavow your plan. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Listen, what we're proposing -- | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| You know what you're doing, you know what you're doing? | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| You're pulling a Clinton. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| (Laughter) And you know what a Clinton is? | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| And you know what Clinton is? | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| A Clinton is, is what he says -- he says one thing one day and another thing the next day -- you try to have both sides of the issues. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| The fact of the matter is that you are proposing $150 billion in new taxes. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| No. | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| And I hope that you talk to the people in Tennessee -- | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| No, we're not. | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| -- and told them that -- | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| You can say it all you want but it doesn't make it true. | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| -- going to have new taxes. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I hope you talked to them about the fact that you were going to increase spending to $220 billion. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I'm sure what you didn't talk to them about was about how we're going to reform the health care system, like the president wants to do. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| He wants to go out and to reform the health care system so that every American will have available to them affordable health insurance. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I'm sure one other thing that you didn't talk to them about, Senator, and that is legal reform, because your position on legal reform is the status quo. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| And yet you talk about foreign competition. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Why should an American company have to spend 15 to 20 times on product liability and insurance costs compared to a company in Japan or a company in Germany or somewhere else? | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| That's not right. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| We have product liability reform legislation on Capitol Hill. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| It will create jobs. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| And a Democratic Congress won't pass it. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| (APPLAUSE) | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Okay. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I think it's time to move on to our next topic. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| All 3 of you gentlemen have some expertise in defense and the armed forces. | Hal Bruno | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Vice President Quayle and Senator Gore both served on the Senate Armed Services Committee. | Hal Bruno | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Admiral Stockdale, of course, has a very distinguished military career. | Hal Bruno | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| With the end of the Cold War, everyone agrees that there are going to be major cuts. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| They've already started in the defense budget. | Hal Bruno | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| But this country has a long history of neglecting its military needs in peace time and then paying for it with heavy casualties when we're caught unprepared. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| How much of a defense cut is safe? | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| What happens to the people who are forced to leave the military services, or if they lose their jobs because they're working in defense industries. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I think we start with Senator Gore this time. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Bill Clinton and I support a strong national defense. | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| He and I have both fought for change within the Democratic Party as well as within the country. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| In the aftermath of the Cold War, the definition of strong national defense has obviously changed somewhat. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| For example, George Bush wants to maintain at least 150,000 American soldiers in Europe, even though World War II ended 50 years ago. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Bill Clinton and I agree with so many military experts who believe that it is time for the Europeans, who are so much wealthier now and more powerful than they were at the end of World War II to start picking up a little more of that tab themselves and not rely so exclusively on the US taxpayers for the defense of Europe. | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| We believe that we can make savings in our defense budget and at the same time, improve our national security. | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Now, for those who are affected by the cutbacks, whether they come from George Bush or Bill Clinton and me -- the difference is, Bill Clinton and I have a defense conversion program so that those who won the Cold War will not be left out in the cold. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| We want to put them to work, building an infrastructure and an economy here in this country for the '90's and the next century. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Vice President Quayle. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| We won the Cold War because we invested in national security. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| We won the Cold War because we invested in our military. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| We didn't win the Cold -- we won the Cold War because we invested in national security. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| We won the Cold War because America had the political will and made the right decisions. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Yes, we can make the cuts in defense and we have. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Bill Clinton wants to cut defense another $60 billion. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I'd say to the defense workers in California and elsewhere, a $60 billion defense cut is going to cut a lot of jobs out. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Yes, we are making a conversion and we can go to a civil space rather than having defense -- or the defense industry. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Well, let me say this: we would not have won the Cold War if we had listened to Senator Gore and his crowd, and had supported a nuclear freeze. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| If you would have supported that attitude -- if you would have supported that attitude, we would not have won the Cold War. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| We won the Cold War because we invested and we went forward. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| (APPLAUSE.) | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Mr. -- Admiral Stockdale, please. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Yes, thanks. | James B. Stockdale | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| The numbers, in terms of the dollar cuts, as they stand on our plans now, show us almost the same as the vice president's. | James B. Stockdale | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| But we'd note that Mr. -- Governor Clinton's plan is almost twice as much a cut as either one of us. | James B. Stockdale | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I've been through the end of World War II, and the surprise beginning of Korea, to see how we -- it cost us more money because we overcut the defense budget in the first place. | James B. Stockdale | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I don't say that -- (APPLAUSE.) | James B. Stockdale | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| So I think that should be eyed with great suspicion, people that are really kicking the props out from under our grand military establishment prematurely. | James B. Stockdale | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Now there's other differences between the Perot approach and what we see up here on either side of me, and that has to do with we want to focus our interests, economic and military, more to the Pacific. | James B. Stockdale | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| We figure that we are generally going along with any sort of a troop removal from Europe. | James B. Stockdale | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| So that's still another face of this puzzle. | James B. Stockdale | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Senator Gore, would you like to start the discussion period on this topic? | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Yeah, I'd like to respond first to you, Admiral Stockdale. | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Under the details of our 5-year budget plan, we do propose more in defense cuts than George Bush and Dan Quayle, but only 5 % more. | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Admiral Crowe, who I think was one of your classmates in Annapolis -- | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Oh, yes, I've known him -- | James B. Stockdale | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| -- has endorsed -- | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| -- 50 years. | James B. Stockdale | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| -- the military portions of our plan, even though he was the chairman of the Joint Chiefs under George Bush, and John White has endorsed the economic aspects of our plan, even though I believe he was the architect of Ross Perot's economic plan. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Now when I heard George Bush say at the convention in Houston, that when he heard the phrase "we won the Cold War," it made him wonder who the "we" was. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Well, I want to tell you, President Bush, the "we" is the people of the US of America. | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| This wasn't a partisan victory that came suddenly, a few months after you took the oath of office. | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| This started with Harry Truman and it was a bipartisan effort from the very beginning. | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| George Bush taking credit for the Berlin Wall coming down is like the rooster taking credit for the sunrise. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| (APPLAUSE.) | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| And I want to, I want to add -- I want to add one other thing, because in the debate a few nights ago, I think President Bush made a very serious misstatement of fact in response to Ross Perot. | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| It was kind of a little lecture he gave to Ross Perot when he said those SS-18s are gone, Ross, that's done. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| He -- he reached a deal with Boris Yeltsin to completely remove them so we can all sleep safely without any fear tonight. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| But you know what? | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| They thought they were going to get that deal, but when he took the person in charge of the negotiations out of the State Dept and put him in charge of the reelection campaign, the deal unraveled and now there is no START II deal at all. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| In fact there are serious problems. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Isn't it a fact, Dan, that every single one of those SS-18s is still there, in the silos, and under the START I treaty, only half of the silos are supposed to be dismantled, and there is no deal to get rid of the other half? | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Didn't the president make a mistake there? | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Vice President Quayle, please. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| The president does have a commitment from Boris Yeltsin to eliminate the SS-18s. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| That is a commitment to -- | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Is it an agreement? | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| It is a commitment. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Oh. | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| (Laughter) | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Let's talk about, let's talk about -- | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Well, he said he'd -- | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Let him talk, Senator. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Lighten up here, Al. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| (Laughter and applause) | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Go ahead. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Let's talk about getting agreements. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| You know, the president of the US doesn't just negotiate with your friends in Congress; the president of the US deals on the international scene. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| He's got to deal with the president of Russia, he's got to deal with the chancellor of Germany, the prime minister of Britain, the president of France, the prime minister of Japan -- he's got to deal with a whole host of leaders around the world. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| And the leaders sit down and they will negotiate, and they will come to agreements with people that they trust. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| And this is a fundamental problem with Bill Clinton, is trust and character. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| It is not the issue of how he avoided military service 20-some years ago; it's the fact -- it's the fact that he does not tell the truth about it. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| He first said he didn't get an induction notice, then we find out that he did; he said he didn't have an ROTC slot, then we find out he did; he said he didn't use Senator Fulbright's office for special influence, then we find out that he did. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| These are inconsistencies. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Bill Clinton has trouble telling the truth. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| And he will have a very difficult time dealing with somebody like President Yeltsin or Chancellor Kohl or Prime Minister Major or President Mitterrand, because truth and integrity are prerequisites to being president of the US. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| (APPLAUSE) | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I want to respond to that, I want to respond to that. | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| George Bush, in case you've forgotten, Dan, said "Read my lips -- no new taxes." | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| (Laughter and applause) And you know what? | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I didn't think I was going to hear that tonight. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Hold on, hold on, let me finish. | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Okay. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| He also said he wanted to be the environmental president; then he went on to say he wanted to be the education president. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Then he said that he wouldn't raise taxes again -- no, never, ever, ever. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Then the next day his spokesman, Marlin Fitzwater, came out and said that's not a pledge. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Then 2 weeks ago he said that after the election, if you win, then James Baker's going to go back to be secretary of state; then a week later, in the debate a few nights ago, he said, no, after the election, if we win, James Baker is going to be in charge of domestic policy. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Which is it, Dan? | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Is he going to -- what's your role in this going to be? | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| (Laughter and applause) | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Well, we'll have to move on to another topic. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Let me -- | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Sorry, Mr. Vice President. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I don't have time to respond to that? | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| You'll get plenty of chance to respond, so don't worry. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Okay, you're the moderator. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I was under the assumption that when the thing is like that that you get a chance to respond. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Well, we ran out of time; according to the agreement, it's time to move on. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| And I want to stick to the agreement. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Okay. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Well, you got the last word on that, but we'll come back to it. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| But you'll have a chance -- I can see what's happening here: we throw out the topic and then we drift. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| But that's okay, because I think it's making for a healthy exchange. | Hal Bruno | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| (Laughter) The only thing I would ask of you -- | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I'm enjoying it. | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| (Laughter) | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| The only thing I would ask of you gentlemen is that when we get to the discussion period, whoever talks first be considerate of the others, because you have a tendency to filibuster. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Look over there. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| (Laughter) | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Okay, I'm not pointing any fingers. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Let's talk about the environment -- we'll get away from controversy. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| (Laughter) Everyone wants a safe and clean environment, but there's an ongoing conflict between environmental protection and the need for economic growth and jobs. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| So the point I throw out on the table is, how do you resolve this conflict between protection of the environment and growth in jobs, and why has it taken so long to deal with basic problems, such as toxic waste dumps, clean air and clean water? | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| And, Vice President Quayle, it's your turn to start first. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Hal, that's a false choice. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| You don't have to have a choice between the environment and jobs -- you can have both. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Look at the president's record: clean air legislation passed the Democratic Congress because of the leadership of George Bush. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| It is the most comprehensive clean air act in our history. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| We are firmly behind preserving our environment, and we have a good record with which to stand. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| The question comes about: What is going to be their position when it comes to the environment? | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I say it's a false choice. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| You ought to ask somebody in Michigan, a UAW worker in Michigan, if they think increasing the CAFE standards, the fuel economy standards, to 45 miles a gallon is a good idea -- 300,000 people out of work. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| You ought to talk to the timber people in the Northwest where they say that, well, we can only save the owl, forget about jobs. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| You ought to talk to the coal miners. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| They're talking about putting a coal tax on. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| They're talking about a tax on utilities, a tax on gasoline and home heating oil -- all sorts of taxes. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| No, Hal, the choice isn't the environment and jobs. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| With the right policies -- prudent policies -- we can have both. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| (APPLAUSE) | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Admiral Stockdale. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I read Senator Gore's book about the environment and I don't see how he could possibly pay for his proposals in today's economic climate. | James B. Stockdale | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| (APPLAUSE) You know, the Marshall Plan of the environment, and so forth. | James B. Stockdale | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| And also, I'm told by some experts that the things that he fears most might not be all that dangerous, according to some scientists. | James B. Stockdale | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| You know, you can overdo, I'm told, environmental cleaning up. | James B. Stockdale | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| If you purify the pond, the water lilies die. | James B. Stockdale | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| You know, I love this planet and I want it to stay here, but I don't like to have it the private property of fanatics that want to overdo this thing. | James B. Stockdale | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| (APPLAUSE) | James B. Stockdale | NaN | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Senator Gore. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Bill Clinton and I believe we can create millions of new jobs by leading the environmental revolution instead of dragging our feet and bringing up the rear. | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| You know, Japan and Germany are both opening proclaiming to the world now that the biggest new market in the history of world business is the market for the new products and technologies that foster economic progress without environmental destruction. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Why is the Japanese business organization -- the largest one they have, the Ki Den Ren (phonetic), arguing for tougher environmental standards than those embodied in US law? | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Why is MITI -- their trade organization -- calling on all Japanese corporations everywhere in the world to exceed by as much as possible the environmental standards of every country in which they're operating? | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Well, maybe they're just dumb about business competition. | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| But maybe they know something that George Bush and Dan Quayle don't know -- that the future will call for greater efficiency and greater environmental efficiency. | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| This is a value an issue that touches my basic values. | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I'm taught in my religious tradition that we are given dominion over the Earth, but we're required to be good stewards of the Earth, and that means to take care of it. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| We're not doing that now under the Bush-Quayle policies. | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| They have gutted the Clean Air Act. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| They have broken his pledge to be the environmental president. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Bill Clinton and I will change that. | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| (APPLAUSE) | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Okay. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Discussion period now. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Again, leave time for each other, please. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Vice President Quayle, go ahead. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Well, I'm tempted to yield to Admiral Stockdale on this. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| But I -- you know, the fact of the matter is that one of the proposals that Senator Gore has suggested is to have the taxpayers of America spend $100 billion a year on environmental projects in foreign countries -- | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| That's not true -- | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Foreign aid -- well, Senator, it's in your book. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| On page 304 -- | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| No, it's not. | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| It is there. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| (APPLAUSE) It is in your book. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| You know, Hal, I wanted to bring the Gore book tonight, because I figured he was going to pull a Bill Clinton on me and he has. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Because he's going to disavow what's in his book. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| It's in your book -- | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| No. | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| It comes out to $100 billion of foreign aid for environmental projects. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| All right. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Let's give him a chance to answer. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Now, how are we going to pay for it? | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| How are we going to pay for an extra $100 billion of the taxpayers' money for this? | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Dan, I appreciate you reading my book very much, but you've got it wrong. | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| No, I've got it right. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| There's no such proposal. | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Okay, well, we'll find -- | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Let him talk, Mr Vice President. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Let the senator talk. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Go ahead. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| There is no such proposal. | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| What I have called upon is a cooperative effort by the US and Europe and Asia to work together in opening up new markets throughout the world for the new technologies that are necessary in order to reconcile the imperatives of economic progress with the imperatives of environmental protection. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Take Mexico City for an example. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| They are shutting down factories right now, not because of their economy, but because they're choking to death on the air pollution. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| They're banning automobiles some days of the week. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Now what they want is not new laser-guided missile systems. | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| What they want are new engines and new factories and new products that don't pollute the air and the water, but nevertheless allow them to have a decent standard of living for their people. | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Last year 35 % of our exports went to developing countries, countries where the population is expanding worldwide by as much as one billion people every ten years. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| We cannot stick our heads in the sand and pretend that we don't face a global environmental crisis, nor should we assume that it's going to cost jobs. | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Quite the contrary. | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| We are going to be able to create jobs as Japan and Germany are planning to do right now, if we have the guts to leave. | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Now earlier we heard about the auto industry and the timber industry. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| There have been 250,000 jobs lost in the automobile industry during the Reagan-Bush-Quayle years. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| There have been tens of thousands of jobs lost in the timber industry. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| What they like to do is point the finger of blame with one hand and hand out pink slips with the other hand. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| They've done a poor job both with the economy and the environment. | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| (APPLAUSE.) | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| It's time for a change. | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| (APPLAUSE.) | Albert A. Gore | NaN | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Admiral Stockdale, you had something you wanted to say here? | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I know that -- I read where Senator Gore's mentor had disagree with some of the scientific data that is in his book. | James B. Stockdale | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| How do you respond to those criticisms of that sort? | James B. Stockdale | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Do you -- | James B. Stockdale | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Deny it. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Well -- (Laughter.) | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Do you take this into account? | James B. Stockdale | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| (Laughter.) | James B. Stockdale | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| No, I -- let me respond. | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Thank you, Admiral, for saying that. | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| You're talking about Roger Revelle. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| His family wrote a lengthy letter saying how terribly he had been misquoted and had his remarks taken completely out of context just before he died. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| (Jeers.) | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| He believed up until the day he died -- no, it's true, he died last year -- | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I'd ask the audience to stop, please. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| -- and just before he died, he co- authored an article which was -- had statements taken completely out of context. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| In fact the vast majority of the world's scientists -- and they have worked on this extensively -- believe that we must have an effort to face up to the problems we face with the environment. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| And if we just stick out heads in the sand and pretend that it's not real, we're not doing ourselves a favor. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Even worse than that, we're telling our children and all future generations that we weren't willing to face up to this obligation. | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Hal, can I -- | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I believe that we have a mandate -- | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Sure. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| We've still got time. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| -- to try to solve this problem, particularly when we can do it while we create jobs in the process. | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Go ahead, Mr. Vice President, there's still time. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Not much, though. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I know it. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| We've got to have a little equal time here now, Hal. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| In the book you also suggest taxes on gasoline, taxes on utilities, taxes on carbon, taxes on timber. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| There's a whole host of taxes. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| And I don't just -- I don't believe raising taxes is the way to solve our environmental problems. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| And you talk about the bad situation in the auto industry. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| You seem to say that the answer is, well, I'll just make it that much worse by increasing the CAFE standards. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Yes, the auto industry is hurting, it's been hurting for a long time, and increasing the CAFE standards to 45 miles per gallon, like you and Bill Clinton are suggesting, will put, as I said, 300,000 people out of work. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Okay, let's move on now. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I would like to remind the audience of one thing. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Trying to stop you from applauding may be a lost cause. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I didn't say anything about hissing, but I do think it is discourteous, and there's no call for that, and it reflects badly on the candidate you're supporting. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| So let's knock that off. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Let's go on to health care. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Health care protection has become a necessity of life in our society, yet millions of Americans are not ensured and the cost of medical treatment is practically out of control. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| How do you propose to control these costs and how are you going to provide access to health care for every American? | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Let's see, whose turn is it to go now? | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I think it's Admiral Stockdale's. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I think it's Admiral Stockdale's turn to go first. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Go ahead, sir. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Well, we have excellent technical health care, but we don't administer it very well, and the escalating costs top any other budget danger in the -- on the horizon, I think. | James B. Stockdale | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| And what Mr Perot has suggested is that we try to re- -to look at the incentives, the incentives that are in our current way of doing business, are what are killing us. | James B. Stockdale | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| There's -- there's no incentive for a hypochondriac not to go to the -- to Medicare every day. | James B. Stockdale | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| There is no incentive for a doctor to curtail the expensive tests because he's under threat of malpractice lawyers. | James B. Stockdale | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| And so we -- we just have a web of wrong-way incentives that has to be changed by some people who are in the medical profession and some other crafty people who know how to write contracts to change incentives or get -- get the -- the incentives situation under control. | James B. Stockdale | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Senator Gore. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Bill Clinton and I believe that if a criminal has the right to a lawyer, every American family ought to have the right to see a doctor of their own choosing when they need to see a doctor. | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| There are almost 40 million Americans who work full time today and yet have no health insurance whatsoever. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| We are proposing to change that, not with a government-run plan, not with new taxes, but with a new approach called managed competition. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| We are going to provide a standard health insurance package provided by private insurance companies and eliminate the duplication and red tape, and overlap, and we're going to have cost controls to eliminate the unnecessary procedures that are costing so much money today. | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| There was a bipartisan commission evenly divided between Republicans and Democrats who looked at our plan and the Bush-Quayle proposal. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| They said ours will save tens of billions of dollars and cover every American. | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| The Bush proposal, by contrast, will cost us tens of billions and still leave Americans uninsured. | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| But what I want to know is, why has George Bush waited for 3 and a half years during this health insurance crisis before finally coming out with a proposal, just before the election, and he still hasn't introduced it in Congress. | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Why the long wait, Dan? | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Mr Vice President. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Hal, President Bush has had his health care reform agenda on Capitol Hill for 8 months. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| He's had parts of it up there for years. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| You talk about increasing costs that the president has had on Capitol Hill- - medical malpractice reform legislation -- for several years. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Defensive medicine and health care today cost $20.7 billion. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Defense medicine defined as testing and treatment that is only necessary in case of a law suit. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Wouldn't that be nice to take $20.7 billion that we're putting into our legal system and put it to preventive health care or women's health care or something else besides trial lawyers? | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| But no -- you don't want to reform the health care system to drive down costs through medical malpractice. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| What you're doing -- you are talking about a government program. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Your program is to ration health care. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| You said in your statement to see a doctor when you want to see a doctor. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| When you start rationing health care there's going to be a waiting line to see a doctor unless it's an emergency. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Remember when we rationed energy in this country? | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Waiting lines at the gasoline stations. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| The same thing would happen when you ration health care. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| The president's proposal deals with tax credits, deductions and purchasing health care in the private sector and making health care affordable and available to every single American. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Admiral Stockdale, would you like to start the discussion period? | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Well, I'm out of ammunition on this -- | James B. Stockdale | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Well, let me talk then because I've got a couple of things that I want to say. | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Go ahead, Senator. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| We still didn't get an answer to the question of why George Bush waited for 3 and a half years -- | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| He didn't wait 3 and a half years. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| -- during the national -- | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I did answer the question. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| -- health insurance crisis before he even made a proposal. | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| And it still hasn't been submitted to Congress in the form of legislation. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I also want to respond to the question about malpractice. | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Do you know which state has the lowest malpractice premiums in the entire country? | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Bill Clinton's Arkansas does -- partly because he has passed reform measures limiting the time during which malpractice suits can be filed. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| In fact, tort claims generally have fallen 10 % under Bill Clinton there. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| But you know, that's not the reason for this health insurance crisis. | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| The reason is, we've had absolutely no leadership. | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Let me tell you about a friend of mine named Mitch Philpot from Marietta, Georgia -- not far from here -- who Tipper and I met with his family in Johns Hopkins Hospital. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Their son, Brett, was in the bed next to our son and they couldn't pay their medical bills. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| They used to live in Atlanta, but they lost their house. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| And while they were there, both Mitch and his wife lost their jobs because they could not get unpaid leave. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| We pass legislation to give family leave under circumstances like that, exempting small business. | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| How can you talk about family values, Dan, and twice veto the Family Medical Leave Act? | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| (APPLAUSE) | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Mr Vice President. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Pass our Family Leave Act, because it goes to small businesses where the major problem is. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Your proposal excluded small business. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| That's the problem. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Now, let me talk about health care and -- | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Did you require it? | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Did you require it? | Albert A. Gore | NaN | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| My turn -- (holding hand up at Gore) | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Did you require (inaudible) -- (Simultaneous conversation) | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Lighten’ up Al. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| My turn. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| It's a free discussion. | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Take a breath, Al. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Inhale. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| It's a free discussion. | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| (APPLAUSE) Did you require family leave in that legislation? | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Yes or no? | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| We offered incentives to small businesses. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Yes or no -- | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| That's a no, isn't it? | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Was small business exempted under your proposal? | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Yes. | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Yes. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| And that's where the biggest problem is -- | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Did you require it of anyone? | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I'm going to get back to the topic again -- | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Did you require it of anyone? | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| -- because he obviously doesn't want to talk about health insurance or health care, which you address. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I was absolutely -- I shouldn't say that -- another Clinton. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| You pulled another Clinton on me because here you go again. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Medical malpractice legislation has been before the Congress of the US and you tried to convince the American people that Bill Clinton is for tort reform? | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| The biggest campaign contributors to your campaign are the trial lawyers of America. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| We have a letter -- and we're going to release it again to the media, if the media is interested -- where the head of the trial lawyers of Arkansas said that Bill Clinton was basically in their back pocket, that Bill Clinton has always opposed tort reform of any kind. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| It's in the letter, we have it, we'll make it available -- because Bill Clinton is not for tort reform. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I'd like to know where Bill Clinton stands on health insurance. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| When he was campaigning in New Hampshire, he said I am for the pay-or-play health insurance. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Pay or play, that's a 7 to 9 % payroll tax on every worker in America that participates in this program. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Can I respond? | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| And then, all of a sudden, this summer he says, oh, I'm not for a pay or play. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Here we go again. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Bill Clinton, one day he's for pay or play, the next day he's against pay or play. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| He does it in education. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| He writes Polly Williams, a Democrat state legislator in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, saying I'm for choice in education; then he goes to the NEA teachers union and says, sorry, I'm not for choice in education because you won't let me be for choice in education. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| One time Bill Clinton says term limits -- we ought to limit terms, it's ridiculous that a member of Congress can serve for 30, 40, 50 years, and you limit the terms of the president -- but that's another subject. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| We're fixing to limit one. | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| (Laughter) | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| It's not going to be mine; it's going to be people like you and Kennedy and Metzenbaum and George Mitchell and the rest of that Democratic Congress on Capitol Hill -- that's who we're talking about. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| (APPLAUSE) And that's who the American people -- as you well know, you've got term limits for a president, you don't have term limits for Congress, and I think it's absolutely ridiculous that we don't. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I want to respond to some of this. | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Here goes Bill Clinton again: he says, well, term limits, that's an interesting idea, I think I might be in favor of that. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Then his Democratic friends in Congress say, no, Bill, you can't be for that. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Bill Clinton has trouble telling the truth. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| You have to tell the truth. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I want to respond, if I might. | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Go ahead, Senator, quickly. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| You know, in response to my question before that long laundry list, he said that they had their own family leave proposal. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| It was just like the proposal of your party back when Social Security was first proposed. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| we're for it as long as it's voluntary. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Same with Medicare. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| we're for it so long as it's voluntary. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Civil rights -- we're for it so long as it's voluntary. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Senator, I'm going to have to ask you to wrap this one up. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Family leave is important enough to be required. | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| (APPLAUSE) | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Okay, thanks. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Coming out of health care, again trying to avoid controversy, let's talk about the abortion debate. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| (Laughter) Abortion rights has been a bitter controversy in this country for almost 20 years. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| It's been heightened by the recent Supreme Court decisions. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| So I'll make it very simple in this question: Where do each of you stand on the issue? | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| What actions will your president's administration take on the abortion question? | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Will it be a factor in the appointment of federal judges, especially to the Supreme Court? | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| And I believe that Senator Gore goes first. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Bill Clinton and I support the right of a woman to choose. | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| (APPLAUSE) That doesn't mean we're pro-abortion; in fact, we believe there are way too many abortions in this country. | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| And the way to reduce them is by reducing the number of unwanted pregnancies, not vetoing family planning legislation the way George Bush has consistently done. | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| The reason we are pro-choice and in favor of a woman's right to privacy is because we believe that during the early stages of a pregnancy the government has no business coming in and ordering a woman to do what the government thinks is best. | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| What Dan Quayle and George Bush and Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson think is the right decision in a given set of circumstances is their privilege -- but don't have the government order a woman to do what they think is the right thing to do. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| We ought to be able to build more common ground among those who describe themselves as pro-choice and pro-life in efforts to reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies. | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| But, Dan, you can clear this up very simply by repeating after me: I support the right of a woman to choose. | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Can you say that? | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Vice President Quayle, your turn. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| This issue is an issue that divides Americans deeply. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I happen to be pro-life. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I have been pro-life for my 16 years -- (APPLAUSE.) | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| -- in public life. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| My objective and the president's objective is to try to reduce abortions in this country. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| We have 1.6 million abortions. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| We have more abortions in Washington, DC, than we do live births. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Why shouldn't we have more reflection upon the issue before abor -- the decision of abortion is made. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I would hope that we would agree upon that. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Something like a 24-hour waiting period, parental notification. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I was in Los Angeles recently and I talked to a woman who told me that she had an abortion when she was 17 years of age. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| And looking back on that she said it was a mistake. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| She said -- she said I wished at that time, that I was going through this difficult time, that I had counseling to talk about the post-abortion trauma, and talk about adoption rather than abortion. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Because if I had had that discussion, I would have had the child. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Let's not forget that every abortion stops a beating heart. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I think we have far too many abortions in this country, in this country of ours. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Admiral Stockdale. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I believe that a woman owns her body and what she does with it is her own business, period. | James B. Stockdale | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| (APPLAUSE.) | James B. Stockdale | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Period. | James B. Stockdale | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| That's it? | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| (APPLAUSE.) | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I don't -- I, too, abhor abortions, but I don't think they should be made illegal, and I don't -- and I don't think it's a political issue. | James B. Stockdale | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I think it's a privacy issue. | James B. Stockdale | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| (APPLAUSE.) | James B. Stockdale | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| You caught me by surprise. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Let's go ahead with the discussion of this issue. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Senator Gore. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Well, you notice in his response, that Dan did not say I support the right of a woman to choose. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| That is because he and George Bush have turned over their party to Pat Buchanan and Phyllis Schlafly, who have ordered them to endorse a platform which makes all abortions illegal under any circumstances, regardless of what has led to that decision by a woman. | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Even in cases of rape and incest, their platform requires that a woman be penalized, that she not be allowed to make a choice, if she believes, in consultation with her family, her doctor, and others, whoever she chooses, that she wants to have an abortion after rape, or incest. | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| They make it completely -- | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Senator, do you support a 24-hour waiting period? | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| -- illegal under any of those circumstances. | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Now they want to waffle around -- | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Do you support a 24-hour waiting period? | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Let me finish this, briefly. | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Now -- now you want to waffle around on it and give the impression that maybe you don't really mean what you say. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| But again, you can clear it up by simply repeating I support the right of a woman to choose. | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Say it. | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Let him say it himself. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Let him say his own words. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Go ahead, Mr Vice President. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Thank you. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Talk about waffling around. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| This issue is a very important issue. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| It has been debated throughout your public life and throughout my public life, and one thing that I don't think that it is wise to do, and that is to change your position. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| At one time, and most of the time in the House of Representatives, you had a pro-life position. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| That's simply not true. | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| In 1987, you wrote a letter, and we'll pass this out to the media -- | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| That is simply not true. | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| You wrote a letter saying that you oppose taxpayer funding of abortion. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Bill Clinton has the same type of a record. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| In some circumstances. | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| You're going to qualify it now. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| And I still do. | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| And Bill Clinton, when he was governor of Arkansas, also worked with the Right to Life people and supported Right to Life positions and now he has changed. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Talk about waffling around. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| This is the typical type of Clinton response. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Even on the issue like abortion. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| He's on both sides of the issue. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Take the NAFTA agreement -- | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Well, wait -- | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Let's stick with the question, Mr Vice President. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| How long did he have -- | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I know you want to change the subject, Dan, but let's stay on this one for a while. | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| How long did he have to wait -- or how quickly did he change his position on education? | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| He changes his position all the time. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Let's stay with this issue for a while. | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Bill Clinton -- Bill Clinton has trouble telling the truth. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| 3 words he fears most in the English language. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Does anybody have any view about the appointment of judges on this? | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Tell the truth. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Yeah, I want to talk about this, because the question was not about free trade or education. | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| The question -- | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Talk about waffling. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| You're the one who brought up the -- | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Now, I let you talk. | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| -- issue of waffling. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| He's waffled on the abortion issue. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I let you talk. | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Let me talk now. | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| It's going to be a long evening if you're like this, now. | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Oh, no, it's not -- | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Don't change the subject -- | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Let's get on with it. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Gentlemen, let's get on with it. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Don't change the subject -- | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Well, answer my questions, then. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| What you have done -- | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Answer my questions. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| On the 24 hour waiting period -- do you support that? | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I have had the same position -- | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Do you support that? | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I have had the same position on abortion in favor of a woman's right to choose. | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Do you support a woman's right to choose -- | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Do you support a 24 hour waiting period to have -- | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| You're still avoiding -- | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| How about avoiding the question? | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| -- the question. | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Now, wait a minute. | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Let me tell you why this is so important. | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| There are millions of women in this country who passionately believe in the right of a woman to privacy. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| And they want to stack the Supreme Court with justices who will take away the right to privacy. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Make no mistake about it. | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| That is their agenda -- (APPLAUSE) And if you support them, don't be surprised that that is exactly what they want to do and that is why Dan Quayle refuses to say this evening that he supports the right of a woman to choose. | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I agree with Admiral Stockdale and the vast majority of Democrats and Republicans in this country. | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| You know, one of the reasons so many Republicans are supporting the Clinton- Gore ticket is because they've turned over the party to this right wing extremist group which takes positions on issues like abortion that don't even allow exceptions for rape and incest. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Senator -- | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Again, can't you just say you support the right of a woman to choose? | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Could we give Admiral Stockdale a chance to jump in here if he wants to, if he dares to. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I would like to get in -- I feel like I'm an observer at a pingpong game, where they're talking about well, you know, they're expert professional politicians that massage these intricate plots and know every nuance to 'em. | James B. Stockdale | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| And meantime, we're facing a desperate situation in our economy. | James B. Stockdale | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I've seen the cost of living double in my lifetime. | James B. Stockdale | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| A new granddaughter was born in my family -- my granddaughter- -3 weeks ago. | James B. Stockdale | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| And according to the statistics that we have -- that is, the Perot group -- the chances of her seeing a doubling of the standard of living are nil. | James B. Stockdale | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| In fact, her children will be dead before another -- this standard of living is doubled. | James B. Stockdale | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| So what the heck! | James B. Stockdale | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Let's get on with talking about something substantive. | James B. Stockdale | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| (APPLAUSE) | James B. Stockdale | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| All right. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Mr Vice President, you'll have a chance to -- (APPLAUSE) You'll have a chance in the closing statements. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| We need to get on -- | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| No, let's move on to another topic. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Just 15 seconds to respond. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Well, can I have 15 seconds also? | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| No, let's move on, gentlemen. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I'll tell you what. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| If -- | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Let's not -- we're not horse trading. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| We're having a debate. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Let's go on. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Let's talk about the cities. | Hal Bruno | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Because that's where a majority of Americans live, in urban areas, and they're facing a financial and social crisis. | Hal Bruno | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| They've lost sources of tax revenue. | Hal Bruno | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| The aid that once came from the federal and state governments has been drastically cut. | Hal Bruno | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| There's an epidemic of drugs, crime and violence. | Hal Bruno | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Their streets, their schools are like war zones. | Hal Bruno | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| It's becoming increasingly difficult to pay for public education, for transportation, for police and fire protection, the basic services that local government must provide. | Hal Bruno | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Now, everybody says, talks about enterprise zones, that may be part of the solution, but what else are your administrations really going to be willing to do to help the cities? | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Vice President Quayle, it's your turn to go first. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Well, Hal, enterprise zones are important and it's an idea that the president has been pushing, and there's been very strong reluctance on, with the Democratic Congress. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| We'll continue to push it. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| We also want, Hal, to have home ownership. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I was at a housing sub -- a housing project in San Francisco several months ago and met with people that were trying to reclaim their neighborhood. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| They wanted home ownership. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| They didn't want handouts. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| And I was with the Democrat mayor of San Francisco who was there supporting our idea. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| But when you look at the cities and you see the problems we have with crime, drugs, lack of jobs, I also want to point out one of the fundamental problems that we have in American cities and throughout America today, and that is the breakdown of the American family. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I know some people laugh about it when I talk about the breakdown of the family, but it's true. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| 60 % of the kids that are born in our major cities today are born out of wedlock. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| We have too many divorces. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| We have too many fathers that aren't assuming their responsibility. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| The breakdown of the family is a contributing factor to the problems that we have in urban America. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Admiral Stockdale. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I think enterprise zones are good, but I think the problem is deeper than that. | James B. Stockdale | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I think we are -- you know, when I was -- I ran a civilization for several years, a civilization of 3 to 4 hundred wonderful men. | James B. Stockdale | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| We had our own laws. | James B. Stockdale | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| We had our own, practically our own constitution. | James B. Stockdale | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| And I put up -- I was the -- I was the sovereign for a good bit of that. | James B. Stockdale | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| And I tried to analyze human predicaments in that microcosm of life in the -- in the world. | James B. Stockdale | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| And I found out that when I really got down to putting out do's and don'ts, and lots of these included take torture for this and that, and this and that, and never take any amnesty, for reasons they all understood and went along with. | James B. Stockdale | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| But one of the -- we had an acronym, BACKUS, and each one of those B-a-c-k was something for which you -- you had to make them hurt you before you did it. | James B. Stockdale | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Bowing in public, making, making -- getting on the radio and so forth. | James B. Stockdale | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| But at the end it was US, BACKUS. | James B. Stockdale | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| You got the double meaning there. | James B. Stockdale | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| But the US could be called the US, but it was Unity Over Self, Loners Make Out. | James B. Stockdale | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Somehow we're going to have to get some love in this country between races, and between rich and poor. | James B. Stockdale | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| You have got to have leaders -- and they're out there -- who can do this with their bare hands, with -- working with, with people on the scene. | James B. Stockdale | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Senator Gore, please. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| George Bush's urban policy has been a tale of 2 cities: the best of times for the very wealthy; the worst of times for everyone else. | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| We have seen a decline in urban America under the Bush-Quayle administration. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Bill Clinton and I want to change that, by creating good jobs, investing in infrastructure, new programs in job training and apprenticeship, welfare reform -- to say to a mother with young children that if she gets a good job, her children are not going to lose their Medicaid benefits; incentives for investment in the inner city area, and, yes, enterprise zones. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Vice President Quayle said they're important, but George Bush eliminated them from his urban plan, and then -- | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Well, that's not true. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| And then, when they were included in a plan that the Congress passed, -- | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| We have been for enterprise zones -- | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| -- George Bush vetoed the enterprise zone law, the law that included them, for one reason: because that same bill raised taxes on those making more than $200,000 a year. | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Let's face up to it, Dan: your top priority really, isn't it, to make sure that the very wealthy don't have to pay any more taxes. | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| We want to cut taxes on middle-income families and raise them on those making more than $200,000 a year. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| What plan is that? | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| And if we can take our approach, the cities will be much better off. | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Let's start the discussion period right here. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Go ahead. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| What plan is that that's just going to raise taxes on those making over $200,000 a year? | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| You may call that your plan, but everyone knows that you simply can't get $150 billion in new taxes by raising the marginal tax rate to a top rate of 36 % and only tax those making $200,000 a year. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| It's absolutely ridiculous. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| The top 2 % which you refer to, that gets you down to $64,000; then you have about a $40-billion shortfall -- that gets you down to $36,000 a year. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Everybody making more than $36,000 a year will have their taxes increased if Bill Clinton is president of the US. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| And I don't know how you're going to go to urban America and say that raising taxes is good for you. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I don't know how you're going to go to urban America and say, well, the best thing that we can offer is simply to raise taxes again. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| This is nothing more than a tax-and-spend platform. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| We've seen it before. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| It doesn't work. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Let me tell you about a story. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Can I respond to some of that? | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I've got a very good example -- | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Can I respond to some of that? | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| -- when we talk about families here, because I was meeting with some former gang members in Phoenix and Los Angeles and Albuquerque, New Mexico. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| And when I talked to those former gang members, here's what they told me why they joined the gang. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| They said, well, joining a gang is like joining a family. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I said, joining a family? | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Yes, because the gang offered support, it offered leadership, it offered comfort, it was a way to get ahead. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Where have we come if joining a gang is like being a member of the family? | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Senator Gore, you wanted to respond? | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| And that's why I think that families have to be strengthened, and you don't strengthen the American family by raising taxes. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I do want to respond to that. | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Go ahead, Senator, Admiral. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| George Bush and Dan Quayle want to protect the very wealthy. | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| That is the group that has gotten all of the tax cuts under the Bush-Quayle administration. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Nobody here who is middle income has gotten a tax cut because middle-income families have had tax increases under Bush and Quayle in order to finance the cuts for the very wealthy. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| That's what trickle-down economics is all about. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| And they want to continue it. | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| We're proposing to also require foreign corporations to pay the same taxes that American corporations do when they do business here in the US of America. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| George Bush has not been willing to enforce the laws and collect those taxes. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| We want to close that loophole and raise more money in that way. | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Senator, can we stick to the cities, sir? | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Excuse me? | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Stick to the cities. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| All right. | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Well, he, he talked about ways to raise money to help the cities. | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| What we're proposing is to invest in the infrastructure in cities and have targeted tax incentives for investment right in inner city areas. | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| The enterprise zones represent a part of our proposal also, and strengthening the family through welfare reform. | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| And you know the Bush administration has cut out -- has vetoed family leave, they have cut childhood immunization and college aid. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| If you don't support parents and you don't support children, how -- how can you say you support families? | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| How about supporting parents and the right to choose where their kids go to school, Al? | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| (APPLAUSE.) | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Do you support that? | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| We -- | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Let the parents -- let the parents -- | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Do you want me to answer? | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| -- public or private schools? | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Want me to answer? | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Go ahead. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| We support the public school choice to go to any public school of your choice. | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| What we don't support -- and listen to what they're proposing -- to take US taxpayer dollars and subsidize private schools. | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Now I'm all for private schools, but to use taxpayer dollars, when the people who get these little vouchers often won't be able to afford the private school anyway, and the private school is not -- | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Al, I think, I think it's important -- | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| -- under any obligation to admit them, that is a ripoff of the US taxpayer. | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| That's important. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| This is a very- -this is a very important issue. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Choice in education is a very important issue. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Let him respond. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| And he said that he was not for choosing -- giving the parents the right to choose to send their children to public schools. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| But it's okay for the wealthy to choose to send their kids to private schools, but it's not okay for the middle class and the working poor to choose where they want to send their kids to school. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I think that it's time that all parents in America have a right to choose where they send their kids to school to get an education. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| (APPLAUSE.) | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Admiral Stockdale, would you like to have the last word in this period? | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I -- I come down on the side of freedom of school choice. | James B. Stockdale | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| The -- and there's a lot of misunderstandings that I've heard here tonight, that I may have the answer to. | James B. Stockdale | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| The -- starting at, you know, for the last, almost a decade, we've worried about our schools officially through Washington, and the president had a meeting of all the governors, and then they tried the conventional fixes for schools, that is, to increase the certification of -- requirements for the teachers, to lengthen the school day, to lengthen the school year and nothing -- this is a very brief overview of the thing -- but nothing happened. | James B. Stockdale | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| And it's time to change the school's structure. | James B. Stockdale | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| In schools, bureaucracy is bad and autonomy is good. | James B. Stockdale | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| The only good schools -- (APPLAUSE.) | James B. Stockdale | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| -- we have are those run by talented principals and devoted teachers, and they're running their own show. | James B. Stockdale | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| How many times have I thrived? | James B. Stockdale | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| You know, the best thing I had when I ran that civilization, it succeeded, and it's a landmark. | James B. Stockdale | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| The best thing I had going for me was I had no contact with Washington for all those years. | James B. Stockdale | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| (APPLAUSE.) | James B. Stockdale | NaN | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Could I respond? | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| We have to go on. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| What I'm about to say doesn't apply to the debate tonight; it applies to the campaign that's been going on outside this auditorium. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| With 3 weeks to go, this campaign has at times been very ugly, with the tone being set by personal negative attacks. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| As candidates, how does it look from your viewpoint? | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| And are these tactics really necessary? | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Admiral Stockdale -- it's your turn to go first. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| You know, I didn't have my hearing aid turned on. | James B. Stockdale | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Tell me again. | James B. Stockdale | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| (Laughter) | James B. Stockdale | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I'm sorry, sir. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I was saying that at times this campaign has been very ugly with personal negative attacks. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| As a candidate, how does it look from where you are and are these tactics really necessary? | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Nasty attacks -- well, I think there is a case to be made for putting emphasis on character over these issues that we've been batting back and forth and have a life of their own. | James B. Stockdale | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Sure, you have to know where you're going with your government, but character is the big variable in the success. | James B. Stockdale | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Character of the leaders is the big variable in the success -- long term success -- of an administration. | James B. Stockdale | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I went to a friend of mine in New York some years ago and he was a president of a major TV network and he said, you know, I think we have messed up this whole -- this election process -- it was an election year -- by stressing that -- putting out the dogma that issues are the thing to talk about, not character. | James B. Stockdale | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| He said, I felt so strongly about this, I went back and read the Lincoln-Douglas debates. | James B. Stockdale | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Read those debates. | James B. Stockdale | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| How do they come down? | James B. Stockdale | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Douglas is all character. | James B. Stockdale | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| He knows all of the little stinky numbers these guys do. | James B. Stockdale | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Abraham Lincoln had character. | James B. Stockdale | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Thank God we got the right president in the Civil War. | James B. Stockdale | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| But that is a question that is a valid one, and you know, I would like to brag about the character of my boss. | James B. Stockdale | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Okay, Senator Gore. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| This election is about the future of our country, not about personal attacks against one candidate or another. | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Our nation is in trouble and it is appalling to me that with 10 million Americans out work, with the rest working harder for less money than they did 4 years ago, with the loss of 1.4 million manufacturing jobs in our nation, with the health care crisis, a crisis of crime and drugs and AIDS, substandard education, that George Bush would constantly try to level personal attacks at his opponent. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Now, this, of course, just reached a new low last week when he resorted to a classic McCarthyite technique of trying to smear Bill Clinton over a trip that he took as a student along with lots of other Rhodes Scholars who were invited to go to Russia. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| It's a classic McCarthyite smear technique. | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I think the president of the US ought to apologize. | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I think that he insulted the intelligence of the American people and I'm awful proud that the American people rejected that tactic so overwhelmingly that he decided he had made a mistake. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Do you think it was a mistake, too, Dan? | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Okay. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Vice President Quayle. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Let me answer the question. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Go ahead. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Hal, you said -- and I wrote it down here -- "personal negative attacks." | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| (Laughs) Has anyone been reading my press clippings for the last 4 years? | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| (APPLAUSE) But I happen to -- I agree with one thing on -- with Senator Gore, and that is that we ought to look to the future, and the future is, who's going to be the next president of the US. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| And is it a negative attack and a personal attack to point out that Bill Clinton simply has trouble telling the truth? | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| He said that he didn't even demonstrate -- he told the people in Arkansas in 1978. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Then we find out he organized demonstrations. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| You know, I don't care whether he demonstrated or didn't demonstrate. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| The fact -- the question is, tell the truth. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Just tell us the truth. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Today, Bill Clinton -- excuse me -- yesterday in Philadelphia on a radio show, just yesterday on a radio show, he attacked -- Admiral, he attacks Ross Perot saying the media is giving Ross Perot a free ride. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| The press asked him when the klieg lights are on, said what do you mean by Ross Perot getting a free ride? | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| He says I didn't say that at all. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I mean, you can't have it both ways. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| No, I don't think that is a personal attack. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| What I find troubling with Bill Clinton is he can't tell the truth. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| You cannot lead this great country of ours by misleading the people. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| (APPLAUSE) | James D. Quayle | NaN | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| All right, gentlemen, the control room advises me that in order to have time for your closing statements, which we certainly want, there simply is not going to be time for a discussion period on this particular topic. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| So let's go to the closing statements. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| You have 2 minutes each. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| And we'll start with Admiral Stockdale. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I think the best justification for getting Ross Perot in the race again to stay is that we're seeing this kind of chit-chat back and forth about issues that don't concentrate on where our grandchildren -- the living standards of our children and grandchildren. | James B. Stockdale | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| He is, as I have read in more than one article, a revolutionary; he's got plans out there that are going to double the speed at which this budget problem is being cared for. | James B. Stockdale | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| It was asked how, if we would squeeze down so fast that we would strangle the economy in the process. | James B. Stockdale | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| That is an art, to follow all those variables and know when to let up and to nurse this economy back together with pulls and pushes. | James B. Stockdale | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| And there's no better man in the world to do that than that old artist, Ross Perot. | James B. Stockdale | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| And so I think that my closing statement is that I think I'm in a room with people that aren't the life of reality. | James B. Stockdale | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| The US is in deep trouble. | James B. Stockdale | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| We've got to have somebody that can get up there and bring out the firehoses and get it stopped, and that's what we're about in the Perot campaign. | James B. Stockdale | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Thank you. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| (APPLAUSE.) | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Senator Gore, your closing statement, sir. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Three weeks from today, our nation will make a fateful decision. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| We can continue traveling the road we have been on, which has led to higher unemployment and worse economic times, or we can reach out for change. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| If we choose change, it will require us to reach down inside ourselves to find the courage to take a new direction. | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Sometimes it seems deceptively easy to continue with the old habits even when they're no longer good for us. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Trickle-down economics simply does not work. | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| We have had an increase in all of the things that should be decreasing. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Everything that should have been increasing has been going down. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| We have got to change direction. | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Bill Clinton offers a new approach. | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| He has been named by the other 49 governors, Republicans and Democrats alike, as the best and most effective governor in the entire US of America. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| He's moved 17,000 people off the welfare rolls and on to payrolls. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| He has introduced innovations in health care and education, and again, he has led the nation for the last 2 years in a row in the creation of jobs in the private sector. | Albert A. Gore | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Isn't it time for a new approach, a new generation of ideas and leadership, to put our nation's people first and to get our economy moving again? | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| We simply cannot stand to continue with this failed approach that is no good for us. | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Ultimately, it is a choice between hope and fear, a choice between the future and the past. | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| It is time to reach out for a better nation. | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| We are bigger than George Bush has told us we are, as a nation, and we have a much brighter future. | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Give us a chance. | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| With your help, we'll change this country and we can't wait to get started. | Albert A. Gore | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| (APPLAUSE.) | Albert A. Gore | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Vice President Quayle. | Hal Bruno | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Thank you, Hal. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I'd like to use this closing statement to talk to you about a few people that I have met in these last 4 years. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I think of a woman in Chicago when I was talking to parents about education where she stood up and said I'm sick and tired of these schools in this city being nothing but a factory for failure. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| And that's why we support choice in education. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I was in Beaumont, Texas, and met with small business people, and they wanted to reform the civil justice system because they think our legal system costs too much and there's too much of a delay in getting an answer. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I was in Middletown, Ohio, talking to a welfare woman, where she said I want to go back to work and I had a job offered to me but I'm not going to take it because I have 2 children at home and the job that is offered to me doesn't have health insurance. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Under President Bush's health care reform package that woman won't have to make a choice about going back to work or health care for her children, because she'll have both. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I was in Vilnius, Lithuania, Independence Square, speaking to 10,000 people in the middle of winter. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Hundreds of people came up to me and said: God bless America. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Yes, in the next 4 years, as I said, somewhere, some time, there's going to be a crisis, and you need to have a president that is qualified, has the experience, and has been tested. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Not one time during this evening, during 90 minutes, did Al Gore tell us why Bill Clinton is qualified to be president. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| He never answered my charges that Bill Clinton has trouble telling the truth. | James D. Quayle | Premise | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| The choice is yours. | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| The American people should demand that their president tell the truth. | James D. Quayle | Claim | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| Do you really believe -- do you really believe Bill Clinton will tell the truth? | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| And do you, do you trust Bill Clinton to be your president? | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| (APPLAUSE) | James D. Quayle | O | 1992 | 13 Oct 1992 |
| I think the principal that separates me is that 5 and a half million people came together on their own and put me on the ballot. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I was not put on the ballot by either of the 2 parties; I was not put on the ballot by any PAC money, by any foreign lobbyist money, by any special interest money. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| This is a movement that came from the people. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| This is the way the framers of the Constitution intended our government to be, a government that comes from the people. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Over time we have developed a government that comes at the people, that comes from the top down, where the people are more or less treated as objects to be programmed during the campaign with commercials and media events and fear messages and personal attacks and things of that nature. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| The thing that separates my candidacy and makes it unique is that this came from millions of people in 50 states all over this country who wanted a candidate that worked and belonged to nobody but them. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I go into this race as their servant, and I belong to them. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| So this comes from the people. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Governor Clinton, a one minute response. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| The most important distinction in this campaign is that I represent real hope for change, a departure from trickle-down economics, a departure from tax and spend economics, to invest in growth. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| But before I can do that, I must challenge the American people to change, and they must decide. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Tonight I say to the President: Mr. Bush, for 12 years you've had it your way. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| You've had your chance and it didn't work. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| It's time to change. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I want to bring that change to the American people. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| But we must all decide first we have the courage to change for hope and a better tomorrow. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| President Bush, one minute response, sir. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Well, I think one thing that distinguishes is experience. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I think we've dramatically changed the world. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I'll talk about that a little bit later, but the changes are mind-boggling for world peace. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Kids go to bed at night without the same fear of nuclear war. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| And change for change sake isn't enough. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We saw that message in the late 70s when heard a lot about change, and what happened, that misery index went right through the roof. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| But my economic program is the kind of change we want. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| And the way we're going to get it done is we're going to have a brand new Congress. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| A lot of them are thrown out because of all the scandals. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I'll sit down with them, Democrats and Republicans alike, and work for my agenda for American renewal, which represents real change. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| But I'd say, if you had to separate out, I think it's experience at this level. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Governor Clinton, how do you respond to the President on the -- you have two minutes -- on the question of experience? | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| He says that is what distinguishes him from the other two of you. | Jim Lehrer | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I believe experience counts, but it's not everything. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Values, judgment, and the record that I have amassed in my state also should count for something. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I've worked hard to create good jobs and to educate people. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| My state now ranks first in the country in job growth this year, fourth in income growth, fourth in reduction of poverty, third in overall economic performance, according to a major news magazine. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| That's because we believe in investing in education and in jobs. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| And we have to change in this country. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| You know, my wife, Hillary, gave me a book about a year ago in which the author defined insanity as just doing the same old thing over and over again and expecting a different result. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We have got to have the courage to change. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Experience is important, yes. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I've gotten a lot of good experience in dealing with ordinary people over the last year and month. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I've touched more people's lives and seen more heartbreak and hope, more pain and more promise, than anybody else who's run for president this year. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I think the American people deserve better than they're getting. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We have gone from first to thirteenth in wages in the world in the last twelve years, since Mr. Bush and Mr. Reagan have been in. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Personal income has dropped while people have worked harder. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| In the last four years, there have been twice as many bankruptcies as new jobs created. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We need a new approach. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| The same old experience is not relevant. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We're living in a new world after the Cold War, and what works in this new world is not trickle down, not government for the benefit of the privileged few, not tax and spend, but a commitment to invest in American jobs and American education, controlling American health care costs, and bringing the American people together. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| That is what works. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| And you can have the right kind of experience and the wrong kind of experience. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Mine is rooted in the real lives of real people, and it will bring real results if we have the courage to change. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| President Bush, one minute to respond. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I just thought of another -- another big difference here between me. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I don't believe Mr. Perot feels this way, but I know Governor Clinton did because I want to accurately quote him. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| He thinks, I think he said, that the country is coming apart at the seams. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Now, I know that the only way he can win is to make everybody believe the economy's worse than it is. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| But this country is not coming apart at the seams, for heaven's sakes. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We're the United States of America. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| In spite of the economic problems, we're the most respected economy around the world. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Many would trade for it. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We've been caught up in a global slowdown. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We can do much, much better, but we ought not try to convince the American people that America is a country that's coming apart at the seams. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I would hate to be running for president and think that the only way I could win would be to convince everybody how horrible things are. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Yes, there are big problems, and yes, people are hurting. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| But I believe that this Agenda for American renewal I have is the answer to do it, and I believe we can get it done now, whereas we didn't in the past, because you're going to have a whole brand new bunch of people in the Congress that are going to have to listen to the same American people I'm listening to. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Mr. Perot, a minute response, sir. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Well, they've got a point. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I don't have any experience in running up a $4 trillion debt. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| (Laughter.) | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I don't have any experience in gridlock government where nobody takes responsibility for anything and everybody blames everybody else. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I don't have any experience in creating the worst public school system in the industrialized world, the most violent crime-ridden society in the industrialized world. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Â But I do have a lot of experience in getting things done. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| So, if we're at a point in history where we want to stop talking about it and do it, I've got a lot of experience in figuring out how to solve problems, making the solutions work, and then moving on to the next one. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I've got a lot of experience in not taking 10 years to solve a 10-minute problem. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| So, if it's time for action, I think I have experience that counts. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| If there's more time for gridlock and talk and finger pointing, I'm the wrong man. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| President Bush, the question goes to you. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| you have two minutes. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| And the question is this: Are there important issues of character separating you from these other two men? | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I think the American people should be the judge of that. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I think character is a very important question. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I said something the other day where I was accused of being like Joe McCarthy because I questioned -- I put it this way; I think it's wrong to demonstrate against your own country or organize demonstrations against your own country in foreign soil. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I just think it's wrong. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I -- well, maybe they say, "Well, it was a youthful indiscretion." | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I was 19 or 20 flying off an aircraft carrier and that shaped me to be Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| And I'm sorry, but demonstrating -- it's not a question of patriotism. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| It's a question of character and judgment. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| They get on me -- Bill's gotten on me about, "read my lips." | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| When I make a mistake I'll admit it. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| But he has made -- not admitted a mistake and I just find it impossible to understand how an American can demonstrate against his own country in a foreign land -- organizing demonstrations against it when young men are held prisoner in Hanoi or kids out of the ghetto were drafted. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Some say, "well, you're a little old fashioned." | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Maybe I am, but I just don't think that's right. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Now, whether it's character or judgment -- whatever it is -- I have a big difference here on this issue and so we'll just have to see how it plays out. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| But I -- I couldn't do that. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| And I don't think most Americans could do that. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| And they all say, "Well, it was a long time ago." | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Well, let's admit it then. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Say, "I made a terrible mistake." | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| How could you be Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces and have some kid say -- when you have to make a tough decision, as I did in Panama or Kuwait and then have some kid jump up and say, "Well, I'm not going to go. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| The Commander-in-Chief was organizing demonstrations halfway around the world during another era. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| So there are differences but that's about the main area where I think we have a difference. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I don't know about -- we'll talk about that a little with Ross here in a bit. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Mr. Perot, you have one minute. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I think the American people will make their own decisions on character and at a time when we have work to do and we need action I think they need to clearly understand the backgrounds of each person. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I think the press can play a huge roll in making sure that the backgrounds are clearly presented in an objective way. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Then, make a decision. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Certainly anyone in the White House should have the character to be there. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| But, I think it's very important to measure when and where things occurred. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Did they occur when you were a young person, in your formative years? | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Or did they occur while you were a senior official in the federal government? | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| When you’re a senior official in the federal government spending billions of dollars in taxpayer’s money and you’re a mature individual and you make a mistake, then that was on our ticket. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| If you make it as a young man, time passes. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| So I would say just, you know, look at all three of us. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Decide who you think will do the job. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Pick that person in November because believe me, as I've said before, "The party's over and it's time for the clean-up crew." | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| And we do have to have change and people who never take responsibility for anything when it happens on their watch and people who are in charge -- | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Your time is up. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| The time is up. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| (Laughter). | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| The time is up. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| More later. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Governor Clinton, you have one minute. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Ross gave a good answer but I've got to respond directly to Mr. Bush. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| You have questioned my patriotism. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| (Inaudible). | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| You even brought some right-wing congressman into the White House to plot how to attack me for going to Russia in 1969-70, when over 50,000 other Americans did. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Now, I honor your service in World War II, I honor Mr. Perot's service in uniform and the service of every man and woman who ever served, including Admiral Crowe, who was your Chairman of the joint Chiefs and who's supporting me. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| But when Joe McCarthy went around this country attacking people's patriotism he was wrong. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| He was wrong. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| And a senator from Connecticut stood up to him named Prescott Bush. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Your father was right to stand up to Joe McCarthy, you were wrong to attack my patriotism. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I was opposed to the war but I loved my country and we need a president who will bring this country together, not divide it. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We've had enough division. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I want to lead a unified country. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| (APPLAUSE) | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We move now to the subject of taxes and spending. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| The question goes to Governor Clinton for a two minutes answer. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| It will be asked by Ann Compton. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| ANN | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Governor Clinton, can you lock in a level here tonight on where middle-income families can be guaranteed a tax cut or, at the very least, at what income level they can be guaranteed no tax increase? | COMPTON | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| The tax increase I have proposed triggers in at family incomes of $200,000 and above. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Those are the people who in the 1980s had their incomes go up while their taxes went down. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Middle-class people, defined as people with incomes of $52,000 and down, had their incomes go down while their taxes went up in the Reagan-Bush years because of 6 increases in the payroll taxes. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| So that is where my income limit would trigger. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| There will be no tax increases-- | COMPTON | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Right. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| My plan - | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| --below 200,000-- | COMPTON | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| --notwithstanding my opponent's ad, my plan triggers in at gross incomes, family incomes of $200,000 and above. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Then we want to give modest middle-class tax relief to restore some fairness, especially to middle- class people with families with incomes of under $60,000. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| In addition to that, the money that I raise from upper-income people and from asking foreign corporations just to pay the same income on their income earned in America that American corporations do will be used to give incentives back to upper-income people. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I want to give people permanent incentives on investment tax credit, like President Kennedy and the Congress inaugurated in the early '60s to get industry moving again; a research and development tax credit; a low-income housing tax credit; a long-term capital gains proposal for new business and business expansions. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We've got to have no more trickle down. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We don't need across-the-board tax cuts for the wealthy for nothing. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We need to say here's your tax incentive: if you create American jobs, the old-fashioned way. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I'd like to create more millionaires than were created under Mr. Bush and Mr. Reagan, but I don't want to have 4 years where we have no growth in the private sector, and that's what's happened in the last 4 years. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We're down 35,000 jobs in the private sector. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We need to invest and grow, and that's what I want to do. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| President Bush, one minute, sir. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Well, let me--I have to correct one thing. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I didn't question the man's patriotism. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I questioned his judgment and his character. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| What he did in Moscow, that's fine. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Let him explain it. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| He did. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I accept that. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| What I don't accept is demonstrating and organizing demonstrations in a foreign country when your country's at war. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I'm sorry. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I cannot accept that. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| In terms of this one on taxes spells out the biggest difference between us. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I do not believe we need to go back to the Mondale proposals or the Dukakis proposals of tax and spend. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Governor Clinton says $200,000 but he also says he wants to raise $150 billion. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Taxing people over $200,000 will not get you $150 billion. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| And then when you add in his other spending proposals, regrettably you end up socking it to the working man. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| That old adage they use--we're going to soak the rich- -we're going to soak the rich--it always ends up being the poor cab driver or the working man that ends up paying the bill. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| And so I just have a different approach. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I believe the way to get the deficit down is to control the growth of mandatory spending programs, and not raise taxes on the American people. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We've got a big difference there. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Mr. Perot, one minute. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| (APPLAUSE) | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We've got to have a growing, expanding job base to give us a growing, expanding tax base. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Right now we have a flat to deteriorating job base and where it appears to be growing, it's minimum-wage jobs. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| So we've got to really rebuild our job base. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| That's going to take money for infrastructure and investment to do that. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Our foreign competitors are doing it; we're not. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We cannot pay off the $4 trillion debt, balance the budget and have the industries of the future and the high- paying jobs in this country without having the revenue. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We're going to go through a period of shared sacrifice. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| There's one challenge. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| It's got to be fair. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We've created a mess, don't have much to show for it and we have got to fix it. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| And that's about all I can say in a minute. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Okay. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| (APPLAUSE) Next question goes to President Bush for a 2-minute answer, and it will be asked by Sandy Vanocur. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Mr. President, this past week your secretary of the Army, Michael Stone, said he had no plans to abide by a congressional mandate to cut US forces in Europe from 150 to 100 thousand by the end of September 1996. | Sander Vanocur | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Now, why, almost 50 years after the end of World War II, and with the total collapse of the Soviet Union, should American taxpayers be taxed to support armies in Europe when the Europeans have plenty of money to do it for themselves? | Sander Vanocur | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Well, Sander, that's a good question, and the answer is: for 40-some years we kept the peace. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| If you look at the cost of not keeping the peace in Europe, it would be exorbitant. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We have reduced the number of troops that are deployed and going to be deployed. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I have cut defense spending. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| And the reason we could do that is because of our fantastic success in winning the Cold War. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We never would have got there if we had gone for the nuclear freeze crowd; we never would have got there if we had listened to those that wanted to cut defense spending. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I think it is important that the US stay in Europe and continue to guarantee the peace. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We simply cannot pull back. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Now, when anybody has a spending program they want to spend money on at home, they say, well, let's cut money out of the Defense Dept. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I will accept and have accepted the recommendations of 2 proven leaders, General Colin Powell and Secretary Dick Cheney. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| They feel that the levels we're operating at and the reductions that I have proposed are proper. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| And so I simply do not think we should go back to the isolation days and starting blaming foreigners. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We are the sole remaining superpower, and we should be that. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| And we have a certain disproportionate responsibility. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| But I would ask the American people to understand that if we make imprudent cuts, if we go too far, we risk the peace. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| And I don't want to do that. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I've seen what it is like to see a war, to see the burdens of a war, and I don't want to see us make reckless cuts. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Because of our programs we have been able to significantly cut defense spending. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| But let's not cut into the muscle, and let's not cut down our insurance policy, which is participation of American forces in NATO, the greatest peace- keeping organization ever made. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Today you've got problems in Europe, still bubbling along even though Europe's gone democracy's route. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| But we are there, and I think this insurance policy is necessary. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I think it goes with world leadership, and I think the levels we've come up with are just about right. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Mr. Perot, one minute, sir. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| If I'm poor and you're rich, and I can get you to defend me, that's good. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| But when the tables get turned, I ought to do my share. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Right now we spend about $300 billion a year on defense, the Japanese spend around 30 billion in Asia, the Germans spend around 30 billion in Europe. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| For example, Germany will spend a trillion dollars building infrastructure over the next 10 years. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| It's kind of easy to do if you only have to pick up a $30-billion tab to defend your country. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| The European Community is in a position to pay a lot more than they have in the past. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I agree with the president: when they couldn't, we should have; now that they can, they should. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We sort of seem to have a desire to try to stay over there and control it. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| They don't want us to control it, very candidly. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| So it I think is very important for us to let them assume more and more of the burden and for us to bring that money back here and rebuild our infrastructure, because we can only be a superpower if we are an economic superpower; and we can only be an economic superpower if we have a growing, expanding job base. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| (APPLAUSE) | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Governor Clinton, one minute, sir. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I agree with the general statement Mr. Bush made. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I disagree that we need 150,000 troops to fulfill our role in Europe. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We certainly must maintain an engagement there. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| There are certainly dangers there, there are certainly other trouble spots in the world which are closer to Europe than to the US. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| But 2 former defense secretaries recently issued a report saying that 100,000 or slightly fewer troops would be enough, including President Reagan's former defense secretary, Mr. Carlucci. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Many of the military experts whom I consulted on this agreed. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We're going to have to spend more money in the future on military technology and on greater mobility, greater airlift, greater sealift, the B-22 airplane. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We're going to have to do some things that are quite costly. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| And I simply don't believe we can afford nor do we need to keep 150,000 troops in Europe given how much the Red Army, now under the control of Russia, has been cut, the arms control agreement concluded between Mr. Bush and Mr. Yeltsin, something I have applauded. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I don't think we need 150,000 troops. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Let me make one other point. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Mr. Bush talked about taxes. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| He didn't tell you that he vetoed a middle class tax cut because it would be paid for by raising taxes on the wealthy and vetoed an investment tax credit paid for by raising taxes on the wealthy. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| All right. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We go now to Mr. Perot for a 2-minute question, and it will be asked by John Mashek. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Mr Perot, you talked about fairness just a minute ago and sharing the pain. | MASHEK | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| As part of your plan to reduce the ballooning federal deficit, you've suggested that we raise gasoline taxes 50 cents a gallon over 5 years. | MASHEK | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Why punish the middle class consumer to such a degree? | MASHEK | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| It's 10 cents a year cumulative. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| It finally gets to 50 cents at the end of the 5th year. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I think "punish" is the wrong word. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Again, see, I didn't create this problem. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We're trying to solve it. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Now, if you study our international competitors, some of our international competitors collect up to $3.50 a gallon in taxes, and they use that money to build infrastructure and to create jobs. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We collect 35 cents, and we don't have it to spend. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I know it's not popular, and I understand the nature of your question. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| But the people who will be helped the most by it are the working people who will get the jobs created because of this tax. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Why do we have to do it? | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Because we have so mismanaged our country over the years, and it is now time to pay the fiddler. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| And if we don't, we will be spending our children's money. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We have spent $4 trillion worth. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| An incredible number of young people are active in supporting my effort because they are deeply concerned that we have taken the American dream from them. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I think it's fitting that we're on the campus of a university tonight. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| These young people, when they get out of this wonderful university, will have difficulty finding a job. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We've got to clean this mess up, leave this country in good shape, and pass on the American dream to them. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We've got to collect the taxes to do it. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| If there's a fairer way, I'm all ears (laughter) --aah. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| (Laughter and applause) But--but--see, let me make it very clear. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| If people don't have the stomach to fix these problems, I think it's a good time to face it, November. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| If they do, then they will have heard the harsh reality of what we have to do. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I'm not playing Lawrence Welk music tonight. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| All right, Governor Clinton, you have a minute, sir. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I think Mr. Perot has confronted this deficit issue, but I think it's important to point out that we really have 2 deficits in America, not one. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We have a budget deficit in the federal government, but we also have an investment, a jobs, an income deficit. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| People are working harder for less money than they were making 10 years ago, 2- 3rds of our people--a $1600 drop in average income in just the last 2 years. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| The problem I have with the Perot prescription is that almost all economists who've looked at it say that if you cut the deficit this much this quick it will increase unemployment, it will slow down the economy. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| That's why I think we shouldn't do it that quickly. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We have a disciplined reduction in the deficit of 50 % over the next 4 years, but first get incentives to invest in this economy, put the American people back to work. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We've got to invest and grow. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| 9 Nobel Prize-winning economists and 500 others, including numerous Republican and Democratic business executives, have endorsed this approach because it offers the best hope to put America back to work and get our incomes rising instead of falling. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| President Bush, one minute, sir. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Your question was on fairness. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I just disagree with Mr. Perot. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I don't believe it is fair to slap a 50-cent-a-gallon tax over whatever many years on the people that have to drive for a living, people that go long distances. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I don't think we need to do it. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| You see, I have a fundamental difference. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I agree with what he's talking about in trying to get this spending down and the discipline, although I think we ought to totally exempt Social Security. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| But he's talking tough medicine, and I think that's good. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I disagree with the tax-and-spend philosophy. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| You see, I don't think we need to tax more and spend more, and then say that's going to make the problem better. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| And I'm afraid that's what I think I'm hearing from Governor Clinton. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I believe what you need to do is some of what Ross is talking about: control the growth of mandatory spending and get taxes down. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| He's mentioned some ways to do it--and I agree with those. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I've been talking about getting a capital gains cut forever, and his friends in Congress have been telling me that's a tax break for the rich. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| It would stimulate investment. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I'm for an investment tax allowance; I'm for a tax break for first- time homebuyers. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| And with this new Congress coming in, gridlock will be gone, and I'll sit down with them and say let's get this done. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| But I do not want to go the tax-and-spend route. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| All right, let's move on now to the subject of jobs. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| The first question goes to President Bush for 2 minutes, and John will ask that question. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Mr. President, last month you came to St. Louis to announce a very lucrative contract for McDonnell Douglas to build F-15s for Saudi Arabia. | MASHEK | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| In today's Post- Dispatch, a retired saleswoman, a 75-year-old woman named Marjorie Roberts, asked if she could ask a question of the candidates. | MASHEK | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| She said she wanted to register her concern about the lack of a plan to convert our defense-oriented industries into other purposes. | MASHEK | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| How would you answer her. | MASHEK | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I assume she was supportive of the decision on McDonnell Douglas, I assume she was supporting me on the decision to sell those airplanes. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I think it's a good decision--took a little heat for it, but I think it was the correct decision to do. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| And we worked it out, and indeed we're moving forward all around the world in a much more peaceful way. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| So that one we came away with in creating jobs for the American people. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I would simply say to her, look, take a look at what the president has proposed on job retraining. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| When you cut back on defense spending, some people are going to be thrown out of work. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| If you throw another 50,000 kids on the street because of cutting recklessly in troop levels, you're going to put a lot more out of work. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I would say to them, look at the job retraining programs that we're proposing. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Therein is the best answer to her. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| stimulate investment and savings. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I mean, we've got big economic problems, but we are not coming apart at the seams; we're ready for a recovery. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| With interest rates down and inflation down, the cruelest tax of all, caught up in a global slowdown right now, that that will change if you go with the programs I've talked about and if you help with job retraining and education. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I am a firm believer that our America 2000 education problem is the answer--a little longer run; it's going to take awhile to educate. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| But it is a good program. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| So her best help for short term is job retraining, if she was thrown out of work at a defense plant. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| But tell her it's not all that gloomy; we're the US, we faced tough problems before. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Look at the misery index when the Democrats had both the White House and the Congress. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| It was just right through the roof. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Now, we can do better. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| And the way to do better is not to tax and spend but to retrain, get that control of the mandatory spending programs. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I'm much more optimistic about this country than some. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| (APPLAUSE) | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Mr. Perot? | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Mr. Perot, you have one minute, sir. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Defense industries are going to have to convert to civilian industries. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Many of them are. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| And the sooner they start, the sooner they'll finish. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| And there will be a significant transition. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| And it's very important that we not continue to let our industrial base deteriorate. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We had someone who I'm sure regrets said it in the president's staff said he didn't care whether we made potato chips or computer chips. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Well, anybody that thinks about it cares a great deal. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Number one, you make more making computer chips than potato chips; and, number 2, 19 out of 20 computer chips that we have in this country now come from Japan. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We've given away whole industries. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| So as we phase these industries over, there's a whole of intellectual talent in these industries. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| A lot of these people in industries can be converted to the industries of tomorrow, and that's where the high-paying jobs are. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We need to have a very carefully thought through phase-over. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Now, see, we practice 19th century capitalism. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| The rest of the world practices 21st century capitalism. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I can't handle that in a minute, but I hope we can get back into it later. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| In the rest of the world, the countries and the businesses would be working together to make this transition in an intelligent way. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Governor Clinton, you have one minute, sir. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We must have a transition plan to plan to convert from a defense to a domestic economy. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| No other nation would have cut defense as much as we already have without that. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| There are 200,000 people unemployed in California alone because we have cut defense without planning to retrain them and to reinvest in the technologies of the future here at home. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| That is what I want to do. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| This administration may say they have a plan, but the truth is they have not even released all the money, the paltry sum of money, that Congress appropriated. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I want to take very dollar by which we reduce defense and reinvest it in technologies for the 21st century--in new transportation, in communication, in environmental clean-up technologies. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Let's put the American people to work, and let's build the kind of high-tech, high-wage, high-growth economy that the American people deserve. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| All right. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| The next question goes to Mr. Perot for a 2-minute answer. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| It will be asked by Ann. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Ann? | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Mr. Perot, you talked a minute ago about rebuilding the job base. | COMPTON | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| But is it true what Governor Clinton just said, that that means that unemployment will increase, that it will slow the economy? | COMPTON | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| And how would you specifically use the powers of the presidency to get more people back into good jobs immediately? | COMPTON | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Step one, the American people send me up there, the day after election, I'll get with congressional--we won't even wait till inauguration, and I'll ask the president to help me and I'll ask his staff to help me. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| And we will start putting together teams to put together--to take all the plans that exist and do something with them. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Please understand. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| There are great plans lying all over Washington nobody ever executes. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| It's like having a blueprint for a house you never built. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| You don't have anywhere to sleep. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Now our challenge is to take these things, do something with them. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Step one, we want to put America back to work, clean up the small business problem, have one task force at work on that. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| The second, you've got your big companies that are in trouble, including the defense industries--have another one on that. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Have a 3rd task force on new industries of the future to make sure we nail those for our country and they don't wind up in Europe and Asia. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Convert from 19th to 21st century capitalism. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| See, we have an adversarial relationship between government and business. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Our international competitors that are cleaning our plate have an intelligent relationship between government and business, and a supportive relationship. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Then have another task force on crime because, next to jobs, our people are concerned about their safety. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Health care, schools--one on the debt and deficit. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| And finally in that 90- day period before the inauguration, put together the framework for the town hall and give the American people a Christmas present. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Show them by Christmas the first cut at these plans. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| By the time Congress comes into session to go to work, have those plans ready to go in front of Congress. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Then get off to a flying start in '93 to execute these plans. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Now, there are people in this room and people on this stage who've been in meetings when I would sit there and say, "Is this the one we're going to talk about or do something about?" | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Well, obviously, my orientation is let's go do it. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Now, put together your plans by Christmas, be ready to go when Congress goes, nail these things. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Small business--you've got to have capital, you've got to credit, and many of them need mentors or coaches. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| And we can create more jobs there in a hurry than any other place. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Governor Clinton, one minute. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| This country desperately needs a jobs program, and my first priority would be to pass a jobs program, to introduce it on the first day I was inaugurated. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I would meet with the leaders of the Congress, with all the newly elected members of the Congress and as many others with whom I could meet between the time of the election and the inauguration, and we would present a jobs program. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Then we would present a plan to control health care costs and phase in health care coverage for all Americans. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Until we control health care costs, we're not going to control the deficit. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| It is the number one culprit. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| But first we must have an aggressive jobs program. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I live in a state where manufacturing job growth has far outpaced the nation in the last few years, where we have created more private sector jobs since Mr. Bush has been president than have been created in the entire rest of the country, where Mr. Bush's labor secretary said job growth has been enormous. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We've done it in Arkansas. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Give me a chance to create these kind of jobs in America. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We can do it. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I know we can. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| (APPLAUSE) | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| President Bush, one minute. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We've got the plan announced for what we can do for small business. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I've already put forward things that'll get this country working fast, some of which have been echoed here tonight--investment tax allowance, capital gains reduction, more on research and development, tax credit for first-time home buyers. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| What I'm going to do is say to Jim Baker when this campaign is over, all right, let's sit down now, you do in domestic affairs what you've done in foreign affairs, be kind of the economic coordinator of all the domestic side of the House, and that includes all the economic side, all the training side, and bring this program together. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We're going to have a new Congress, and we're going to say to them, you've listened to the voters the way we have. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Nobody wants gridlock anymore, and so let's get the program through. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| And I believe it'll work because, as Ross said, we got the plans. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| The plans are all over Washington. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| And I've put ours together in something called the Agenda for American Renewal, and it makes sense, it's sensible, it creates jobs, it gets to the base of the kind of jobs we need. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| And so I'll just be asking for support to get that put into effect. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| All right. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| The next question goes to Governor Clinton for 2 minutes. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| It will be asked by Sandy. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Governor Clinton, when a president running for the first time gets into the office and wants to do something about the economy, he finds in Washington there's a person who has much more power over the economy than he does: the chairman of the Federal Reserve Board, accountable to no one. | Sander Vanocur | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| That being the case, would you go along with proposals made by Treasury Secretary James Brady and Congressman Lee Hamilton to make the Federal Reserve Board chairman somehow more accountable to elected officials? | Sander Vanocur | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Well, let me say that I think that we might ought to review the terms, the way it works. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| But frankly, I don't think that's the problem today. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We have low interest rates today. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| At least we have low interest rates that the Fed can control. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Our long-term interest rates are still pretty high because of our deficit and because of our economic performance. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| And there was a terrible reaction internationally to Mr. Bush saying he was going to give us 4 more years of trickle-down economics--another across-the- board tax cut and most of it going to the wealthy, with no real guarantee of investment. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| But I think the important thing--the important thing-- is to use the powers the president does have on the assumption that, given the condition of this economy, we're going to keep interest rates down if we have the discipline to increase investment and reduce the debt at the same time. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| That is my commitment. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I think the American people are ready for action. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I think Congress is hungry for someone who will work with them instead of manipulate them. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Someone who will not veto a bill that has an investment tax credit, middle class tax relief, research and development tax credits as Mr. Bush has done. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Give me a chance to do that. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I don't have to worry in the near term about the Federal Reserve. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Their policies so far, it seems to me, are pretty sound. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| President Bush you have one minute. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I don't think the Fed ought to be put under the Executive Branch. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| There is a separation there. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I think that's fine. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Alan Greenspan is respected. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I've had some arguments with him about the speed in which we might have lowered interest rates, but Governor Clinton, he talks about the reaction to the markets. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| There was a momentary fear that he might win and that the markets went phwee, down like that. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| So I don't think we can judge on, the stock market has been strong. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| It's been very strong since I've been president. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| And they recognize we got great difficulties, but they're also much more optimistic than the pessimists we have up here tonight. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| In terms of vetoing tax bills, you're darn right. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I am going to protect the American taxpayer against the spend and tax Congress. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| And I'm going to keep on vetoing them, because I don't think we're taxed too little. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I think the government's spending too much. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| So Governor Clinton can label it tax for the rich or anything he wants. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I'm going to protect the working man by continuing to veto, and to threaten to veto until we get this new Congress, and then we're going to move forward on our plan. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I’ve got to protect them. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Mr. Perot, one minute. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Keep the Federal Reserve independent, but let's live in a world of reality. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We live in a global economy, not a national economy. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| These interest rates we have now don't make any sense. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We have a four trillion dollar debt, and only in America would you finance seventy percent of it five years or less. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| So seventy percent of our debt is five years or less. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| It's very interest sensitive. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We have a four percent gap between what we pay for treasuries, and what Germany pays for one to five year treasuries. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| That gap is going to close, because the Arabs, the Japanese and folks in this country are going to start buying German treasuries because they can get more money. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Every time our interest rates go up one percent, that adds 28 billion dollars to the deficit or to the debt. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Whichever place you put it. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We are sitting on a ticking time bomb folks, because we have totally mismanaged our country, and we had better get it back under control. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Just think in your own business, if you had all of your long term problems financed short term. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| You'd go broke in a hurry. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We're going to move to foreign affairs. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| The first question goes to Mr. Perot for a two minute answer, and Sandy will ask it. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Mr Perot, in the postwar coldwar environment, what should be the overriding U.S. national interest? | Sander Vanocur | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| And what can the United States do, and what can it afford to do, to defend the national interest? | Sander Vanocur | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Again, if you're not rich, you're not a superpower. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| So we have two that I'd put as number one. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I have number 1 and 1A. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| One is we've got to have the money to be able to pay for defense, and we've got to manufacture here. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Believe it or not folks, you can't ship it all overseas, you've got to make it here. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| And you can't convert from potato chips to airplanes in an emergency. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| See, Willow Run could be converted from cars to airplanes in World War II because it was here. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We've got to make things here. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| You can't ship them overseas anymore. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I hope we can talk more about that. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Second thing, on priorities. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We've got to help Russia succeed in its revolution and all of its republics. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| When we think of Russia, remember we're thinking of many countries, now. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We've got to help them. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| That's pennies on the dollar compared to renewing the cold war. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Third, we've got all kinds of agreements on paper, and some that are being executed on getting rid of nuclear warheads. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Russia and its republics are out of control or at best in weak control right now. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| It's a very unstable situation. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| You've got every rich Middle Eastern country over there trying to buy nuclear weapons. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| As you well know. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| And that will lead to another five star migraine headache down the road. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We really need to nail down the big intercontinental ballistic missiles, the ones that can hit us from Russia. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| And we've focused on the tactical. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We've made real progress there. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We've got some agreement on the nuclear, but we don't have those things put away yet. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| The sooner the better. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| So, in terms of priorities, we've got to be financially strong. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Number two, we've got to take care of this missile situation and try to get the nuclear war behind us and give this thing very high priority. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| And number three, we need to help and support Russia and the republics in every possible way to become democratic capitalistic societies, and not just sit back and let those countries continue in turmoil. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Because they could go back worse than things used to be. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| And believe me there are a lot of old boys in the K.G.B. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| and the military that liked it better the way it used to be. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Governor Clinton, one minute. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| In order to keep America the strongest nation in the world, we need some continuity and some change. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| There are three fundamental challenges. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| First of all, the world is still a dangerous and uncertain place. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We need a new military and a new national security policy equal to the challenges of a post cold war era, a smaller permanent military force, but one that is more mobile, well trained with high technology equipment. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We need to continue the negotiations to reduce the nuclear arsenals in the Soviet Union, the former Soviet Union, and the United States. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We need to stop this proliferation of weapons of mass destruction. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Second, we have to face that in this world, economic security is a whole lot of national security. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Our dollar's at an all time low against some foreign currencies. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We're weak in the world. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We must rebuild America's strength at home. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| And finally, we ought to be promoting the democratic impulses around the world. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Democracies are our partners. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| They don't go to war with each other. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| They're reliable friends in the future. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| National security, economic strength, democracy. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| President Bush, one minute. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Well, we still are the envy of the world in terms of our military. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| There's no question about that. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We're the envy of the world in terms of our economy, despite the difficulties we're having. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| There's no question about that. | George H. W. Bush | NaN | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Our exports are dramatically up. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I might say to Mr. Perot, I can understand why you might have missed it, because there's so much fascination with trivia, but I worked out a deal with Boris Yeltsin to eliminate, get rid of entirely, the most destabilizing weapons of all, the SS-18, the intercontinental ballistic missile. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I mean, that's been done. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| And thank God, it has, because the parents of these young people around here go to bed at night without the same fear of nuclear war. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We made dramatic progress. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| And so, we've got a good military. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| the question, to sort of get a new military, get the best in the world, we got it, and they’re keeping the peace, and they're respected around the world. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| And we're more respected because of the way we have conducted ourselves. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We didn't listen to the nuclear freeze crowd. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We said, "Peace through strength," and it worked and the cold war is over. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| And America understands that. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| But we're so, turned so inward we don't understand the global picture. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| And we are helping democracy, Ross. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| The Freedom Support Act is something I got through the Congress, and it's a very good thing, because it does exactly what you say, and I think you agree with that, to help Russian democracy. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| And we're going to keep on doing that. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Next question is for Governor Clinton, and John will ask it. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Governor Clinton, you accused the President of coddling tyrants, including those in Beijing. | MASHEK | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| As President, how would you exert U.S. power to influence affairs in China. | MASHEK | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I think our relationships with China are important and I don't want to isolate China, but I think it is a mistake for us to do what this Administration did when all those kids went out there carrying the Statue of Liberty in Tiananmen Square. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Mr Bush sent two people in secret to toast the Chinese leaders and basically tell them not to worry about it. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| They rewarded him by opening negotiations with Iran to transfer nuclear technology. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| That was their response to that sort of action. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Now that the voices in the Congress and throughout the country have insisted that we do something about China, look at what has happened. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| China has finally agreed to stop sending us products made with prison labor. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Not because we coddled them, but because the Administration was pushed into doing something about it. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| And recently the Chinese have announced they are going to lower some barriers to our products, which they ought to do since they have a 15 billion dollar trade surplus with the United States under Mr. Bush. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| The second biggest surplus next to Japan. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| So I would be firm. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I would say if you want to continue as Most Favored Nation status for your government owned industries as well as your private ones, observe human rights in the future. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Open your society. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Recognize the legitimacy of those kids that were carrying the Statue of Liberty. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| If we can stand up for our economics, we ought to be able to preserve the democratic interests of the people of China. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| And over the long run they will be more reliable partners. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| President you have one minute. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Well, the Administration was the first major country to stand up to the abuse in Tiananmen Square. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We are the one that worked out the prison labor deal. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We are the ones that lowered the barrier to products with Carla Hill's negotiation. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I am the one that said let's keep the M.F.N. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| because you see China moving towards a free market economy. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| To do what the Congress and Governor Clinton is suggesting, you'd isolate and ruin Hong Kong. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| They are making some progress, not enough for us. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We were the first ones to put sanctions on. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We still have them on, on some things. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| But Governor Clinton's philosophy is isolate them. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| He says don't do it, but the policies he's expounding of putting conditions on M.F.N. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| and kind of humiliating them is not the way you make the kind of progress we are getting. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| And I've stood up with these people, and I understand what you have to do to be strong in this situation, and it's moving, not as fast as we'd like. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| But you isolate China and turn them inward, and then we've made a tremendous mistake. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| And I'm not going to do it. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| And I've had to fight a lot of people that were saying human rights, and we’re the ones that put the sanctions on and stood for it. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| And he can insult General Scowcroft if he wants to. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| They didn't go over to coddle. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| He went over to say we must make the very changes they're making now. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| One minute, Mr. Perot. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| All right, it's huge. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| China, is a huge country, broken into many provinces. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| It has some very elderly leaders that will not be around too much longer. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Capitalism is growing and thriving across big portions of China. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Asia will be our largest trading partner in the future. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| It will be a growing and a closer relationship. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We have a delicate, tight-wire walk that we must go through at the present time to make sure that we do not cozy up to tyrants, to make sure that they don't get the impression that they can suppress their people. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| But time is our friend there, because their leaders will change in not too many years, worst case, and their country is making great progress. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| One last point on the missiles. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I don't want the American people to be confused. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We have written agreements and we have some missiles that have been destroyed, but we have a huge number of intercontinental ballistic missiles that are still in place in Russia. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| The fact that you have an agreement is one thing. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Till they're destroyed, some crazy person can either sell them or use them. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| All right. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| The next question goes to President Bush for a 2-minute answer, and Ann will ask it. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Mr. President, how can you watch the killing in Bosnia and the ethnic cleansing, or the starvation and anarchy in Somalia, and not want to use America's might, if not America's military, to try to end that kind of suffering? | COMPTON | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Ann, both of them are very complicated situations. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| And I vowed something because I learned something from Vietnam. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I am not going to commit US forces until I know what the mission is, till the military tell me that it can be completed, and till I know how they can come out. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We are helping. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| American airplanes are helping today on humanitarian relief for Sarajevo. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| It is America that's in the lead in helping with humanitarian relief for Somalia. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| But when you go to put somebody else's son or daughter into war, I think you got to be a little bit careful and you have to be sure that there's a military plan that can do this. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| You have ancient ethnic rivalries that have cropped up as Yugoslavia's dissolved or getting dissolved, and it isn't going to be solved by sending in the 82nd Airborne, and I'm not going to do that as commander-in-chief. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I am going to stand by and use the moral persuasion of the US to get satisfaction in terms of prison camps, and we're making some progress there, and in terms of getting humanitarian relief in there. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| And right now, as you know, the US took the lead in a no-fly operation up there in-- no- fly order up in the United Nations. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We're working through the international organizations. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| That's one thing I learned by forging that tremendous and greatly--highly successful coalition against Saddam Hussein, the dictator. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Use--work internationally to do it. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I am very concerned about it. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I am concerned about ethnic cleansing. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I am concerned about a tax on Muslims, for example, over there. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| But I must stop short of using American force until I know how those young men and women are going to get out of there as well as get in, know what the mission is, and define it. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| And I think I'm on the right track. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Are you designing a mission, | COMPTON | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Ms.--Ann, sorry, sorry. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Time is up. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We have to go to Mr. Perot for a one-minute response. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I think if we learned anything in Vietnam is you first commit this nation before you commit the troops to the battlefield. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We cannot send our people all over the world to solve every problem that comes up. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| This is basically a problem that is a primary concern to the European Community. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Certainly we care about the people, we care about the children, we care about the tragedy. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| But it is inappropriate for us, just because there's a problem somewhere around the world, to take the sons and daughters of working people--and make no mistake about it, our all- volunteer armed force is not made up of the sons and daughters of the beautiful people; it's the working folks who send their sons and daughters to war, with a few exceptions. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| It's very unlike World War II, when FDR's sons flew missions. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Everybody went. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| It's a different world now. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| It's very important that we not just, without thinking it through, just rush to every problem in the world and have our people torn to pieces. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Governor Clinton, one minute. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I agree that we cannot commit ground forces to become involved in the quagmire of Bosnia or in the tribal wars of Somalia. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| But I think that it's important to recognize that there are things that can be done short of that, and that we do have interests there. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| There are, after all, 2 million refugees now because of the problems in what was Yugoslavia, the largest number since World War II, and there may be hundreds of thousands of people who will starve or freeze to death in this winter. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| The US should try to work with its allies and stop it. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I urged the president to support this air cover, and he did--and I applaud that. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I applaud the no-fly zone, and I know that he's going back to the United Nations to try to get authority to enforce it. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I think we should stiffen the embargo on the Belgrade government, and I think we have to consider whether or not we should lift the arms embargo now on the Bosnians, since they are in no way in a fair fight with a heavily armed opponent bent on ethnic cleansing. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We can't get involved in the quagmire, but we must do what we can. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Good evening. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Welcome to this third and final debate among the three major candidates for president of the US. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Governor Bill Clinton, the Democratic nominee, President George Bush, the Republican nominee, -- (APPLAUSE) -- and independent candidate Ross Perot. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| (APPLAUSE) I am Jim Lehrer of the MacNeil-Lehrer Newshour on PBS. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I will be the moderator for this debate, which is being sponsored by the Commission on Presidential Debates. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| It will be 90 minutes long. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| It is happening before an audience on the campus of Michigan State University in East Lansing. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| The format was conceived by and agreed to by representatives of the Bush and Clinton campaigns, and it is somewhat different than those used in the earlier debates. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I will ask questions for the first half under rules that permit follow-ups. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| A panel of 3 other journalists will ask questions in the 2nd half under rules that do not. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| As always, each candidate will have 2 minutes, up to 2 minutes, to make a closing statement. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| The order of those, as well as that for the formal questioning, were all determined by a drawing. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Gentlemen, again welcome and again good evening. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| It seems, from what some of those voters said at your Richmond debate, and from polling and other data, that each of you, fairly or not, faces serious voter concerns about the underlying credibility and believability of what each of you says you would do as president in the next 4 years. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Governor Clinton, in accordance with the draw, those concerns about you are first: you are promising to create jobs, reduce the deficit, reform the health care system, rebuild the infrastructure, guarantee college education for everyone who is qualified, among many other things, all with financial pain only for the very rich. | Jim Lehrer | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Some people are having trouble apparently believing that is possible. | Jim Lehrer | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Should they have that concern? | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| No. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| There are many people who believe that the only way we can get this country turned around is to tax the middle class more and punish them more, but the truth is that middle-class Americans are basically the only group of Americans who've been taxed more in the 1980s and during the last 12 years, even though their incomes have gone down. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| The wealthiest Americans have been taxed much less, even though their incomes have gone up. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Middle-class people will have their fair share of changing to do, and many challenges to face, including the challenge of becoming constantly re-educated. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| But my plan is a departure from trickle-down economics, just cutting taxes on the wealthiest Americans and getting out of the way. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| It's also a departure from tax-and- spend economics, because you can't tax and divide an economy that isn't growing. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I propose an American version of what works in other countries -- I think we can do it better: invest and grow. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I believe we can increase investment and reduce the deficit at the same time, if we not only ask the wealthiest Americans and foreign corporations to pay their share; we also provide over $100 billion in tax relief, in terms of incentives for new plants, new small businesses, new technologies, new housing, and for middle class families; and we have $140 billion of spending cuts. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Invest and grow. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Raise some more money, spend the money on tax incentives to have growth in the private sector, take the money from the defense cuts and reinvest it in new transportation and communications and environmental clean-up systems. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| This will work. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| On this, as on so many other issues, I have a fundamental difference from the present administration. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I don't believe trickle down economics will work. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Unemployment is up. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Most people are working harder for less money than they were making 10 years ago. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I think we can do better if we have the courage to change. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Mr. President, a response. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Do I have 1 minute? | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Just the ground rules here. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Roughly 1 minute. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| We can loosen that up a little bit but go ahead. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Well, he doesn't like trickle down government but I think he's talking about the Reagan-Bush years where we created 15 million jobs. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| The rich are paying a bigger percent of the total tax burden. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And what I don't like is trickle down government. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And therein, I think Governor Clinton keeps talking about trickle down, trickle down, and he's still talking about spending more and taxing more. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Government -- he says invest government, grow government. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Government doesn't create jobs. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| If they do, they're make-work jobs. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| It's the private sector that creates jobs. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And yes, we've got too many taxes on the American people and we're spending too much. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And that's why I want to get the deficit down by controlling the growth of mandatory spending. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| It won't be painless. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I think Mr. Perot put his finger on something there. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| It won't be painless but we've got to get the job done. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| But not by raising taxes. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Mr. and Mrs. America, when you hear him say we're going to tax only the rich, watch your wallet because his figures don't add up and he's going to sock it right to the middle class taxpayer and lower, if he's going to pay for all the spending programs he proposes. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| So we have a big difference on this trickle down theory. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I do not want any more trickle down government. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| It's gotten too big. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I want to do something about that. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Mr. Perot, what do you think of the governor's approach, what he just laid out? | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| The basic problem with it, it doesn't balance the budget. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| If you forecast it out, we still have a significant deficit under each of their plans, as I understand them. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Our challenge is to stop the financial bleeding. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| If you take a patient into the hospital that's bleeding arterially, step one is to stop the bleeding. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And we are bleeding arterially. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| There's only one way out of this, and that is to stop the deterioration of our job base, to have a growing, expanding job base, to give us the tax base -- see, balancing the budget is not nearly as difficult as paying off the $4 trillion debt and leaving our children the American dream intact. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| We have spent their money. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| We've got to pay it back. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| This is going to take fair, shared sacrifice. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| My plan balances the budget within 6 years. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| We didn't do it faster than that because we didn't want to disrupt the economy. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| We gave it off to a slow start and a fast finish to give the economy time to recover. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| But we faced it and we did it, and we believe it's fair, shared sacrifice. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| The one thing I have done is lay it squarely on the table in front of the American people. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| You've had a number of occasions to see in detail what the plan is, and at least you'll understand it. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I think that's fundamental in our country, that you know what you're getting into. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Governor, the word "pain" -- one of the other leadership things that's put on you is that you don't speak of pain, that you speak of all things -- nobody's going to really have to suffer under your plan. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| You've heard what Mr. Perot has said. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| He's said it's got -- to do the things that you want to do, you can't do it by just taking the money from the rich. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| That's what the president says as well. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| How do you respond to that? | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| They said the numbers don't add up. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I disagree with both of them. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| For one thing, let me just follow up here. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I disagree with Mr. Perot that the answer is to raise -- put a 50-cent gas tax on the middle class and raise more taxes on the middle class and the working poor than on the wealthy. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| His own analysis says that unemployment will be slightly higher in 1995 under his plan than it is today. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And as far as what Mr. Bush says, he is the person who raised taxes on the middle class after saying he wouldn't. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And just this year, Mr. Bush vetoed a tax increase on the wealthy that gave middle class tax relief. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| He vetoed middle class tax relief this year. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And furthermore, under this administration, spending has increased more than it has in the last 20 years and he asked Congress to spend more money than it actually spent. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Now, it's hard to out-spend Congress but he tried to for the last 3 years. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| So my view is the middle class is the -- they've been suffering, Jim. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Now, should people pay more for Medicare if they can? | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Yes. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Should they pay more for Social Security if they get more out of it than they paid in, they're upper income people? | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Yes. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | NaN | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| But look what's happened to the middle class. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Middle class Americans are working harder for less money than they were making ten years ago and they're paying higher taxes. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| The tax burden on them has not gone down. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| It has gone up. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I don't think the answer is to slow the economy down more, drive unemployment up more and undermine the health of the private sector. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| The answer is to invest and grow this economy. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| That's what works in other countries and that's what'll work here. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| As a practical matter, Mr. President, do you agree with the governor when he says that the middle class, the taxes on the middle class -- do your numbers agree that the taxes on the middle class have gone up during the last -- | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I think everybody's paying too much taxes. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| He refers to one tax increase. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Let me remind you it was a Democratic tax increase, and I didn't want to do it and I went along with it. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And I said I make a mistake. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| If I make a mistake, I admit it. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| That's quite different than some. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| But I think that's the American way. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I think everyone's paying too much, but I think this idea that you can go out and -- then he hits me for vetoing a tax bill. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Yes, I did. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And the American taxpayer ought to be glad they have a president to stand up to a spending Congress. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| We remember what it was like when we had a spending president and a spending Congress, and interest rates -- who remembers that? | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| They were at 21.5% under Jimmy Carter, and inflation was 15. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| We don't want to go back to that. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And so yes, everybody's taxed too much and I want to get the taxes down, but not by signing a tax bill that's gonna raise taxes on people. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Mr. President, when you said just then that you admit your mistakes and you looked at Governor Clinton and said -- what mistake is it that you want him to admit to? | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Well, the record in Arkansas. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I mean, look at it, and that's what we're asking America to have? | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Now look, he says Arkansas's a poor state. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| They are. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| But in almost every category they're lagging. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I'll give you an example. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| He talks about all the jobs he's created in one or 2 years. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Over the last ten years since he's been governor, they're 30% behind, 30% -- they're 30% of the national average. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| On pay for teachers, on all these categories, Arkansas is right near the very bottom. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| You haven't heard me mention this before, but we're getting close now and I think it's about time I start putting things in perspective. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And I'm going to do that. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| It's not dirty campaigning because he's been talking about my record for a half a year here, 11 months here. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| So we've got to do that. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I gotta get it in perspective. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| What's his mistake? | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Admit it, that Arkansas is doing very, very badly against any standard -- environment, support for police officers, whatever it is. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Governor, is that true? | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Mr. Bush's Bureau of Labor Statistics says that Arkansas ranks first in the country in the growth of new jobs this year, first. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| This year. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| 4th in manufacturing jobs, 4th in the reduction of poverty, 4th in income increase. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Over the last 10 years we've created manufacturing jobs much more rapidly than the national average. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Over the last 5 years our income has grown more rapidly than the national average. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| We are 2nd in tax burden, the 2nd lowest tax burden in the country. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| We have the lowest per capita state and local spending in the country. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| We're low spending, low tax burden. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| We dramatically increased investment and our jobs are growing. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I wish America had that kind of record and I think most people looking at us tonight would like it if we had more jobs and a lower spending burden on the government. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Mr. Perot, if you were sitting at home now and just heard this exchange about Arkansas, who would you believe? | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I grew up 5 blocks from Arkansas. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Let's put it in perspective. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| It's a beautiful state. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| It's a fairly rural state. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| It has a population less than Chicago or Los Angeles, about the size of Dallas and Forth Worth combined. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| So I think probably we're making a mistake night after night after night to cast the nation's future on a unit that small. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Why is that a mistake? | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| It's irrelevant. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| (Laughter) | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| What he did as governor of Arkansas is irrelevant? | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| No, no, no, but I could say, you know, that I ran a small grocery store on the corner, therefore I extrapolate that into the fact that I can run Wal-Mart. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| That's not true. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| (Laughter) I can't protect an Arkansas company, you notice there, Governor. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Governor? | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Mr. Perot, with all respect, I think it is highly relevant, and I think that a 4-billion dollar budget of state and federal funds is not all that small, and I think the fact that I took a state that was one of the poorest states in the country and had been for 153 years and tried my best to modernize its economy and to make the kind of changes that have generated support from people like the presidents of Apple Computer and Hewlett-Packard and some of the biggest companies in this country, 24 retired generals and admirals and hundreds of business executives, are highly relevant. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And, you know, I'm frankly amazed that since you grew up 5 blocks from there you would think that what goes on in that state is irrelevant. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I think it's been pretty impressive. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| It's not -- | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And the people who have jobs -- (APPLAUSE) The people who have jobs and educations and opportunities that didn't have them 10 years ago don't think it's irrelevant at all; they think it's highly relevant and they wish the rest of the country had them. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I don't have a dog in this fight, but I'd like to get in on this. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Well, you think it's relevant. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| (Laughter) | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Governor Clinton has to operate under a balanced budget amendment -- he has to do it, that is the law. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I'd like to see a balanced budget amendment for America, to protect the American taxpayers, and then that would discipline not only the executive branch but the spending Congress, the Congress that's been in control of one party, his party, for 38 years. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And we almost had it done. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And that institution, the House of Representatives -- everyone is yelling "Clean House!" | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| One of the reasons is we almost had it done, and the speaker -- a very, able, decent fellow, I might add -- but he twisted the arms of some of the sponsors of that legislation and had them change their vote. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| What's relevant here is that tool, that discipline, that he has to live by in Arkansas, and I'd like it for the American people. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I want the line-item veto. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I want a check-off, so if the Congress can't do it, let people check off their income tax, 10% of it, to compel the government to cut spending. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And if they can't do it, if the Congress can't do it, let them then have to do it across the board. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| That's what we call a sequester. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| That's the discipline we need, and I'm working for that -- to protect the American taxpayer against the big spenders. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Mr. President, let's move to some of the leadership concerns that have been voiced about you. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And they relate to something you said in your closing statement in Richmond the other night about the president being the manager of crises. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And that relates to an earlier criticism, that you began to focus on the economy, on health care, on racial divisions in this country, only after they became crises. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Is that a fair criticism? | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Jim, I don't think that's a fair shot. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I hear it -- I hear it echoed by political opponents. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| But I don't think it's fair. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I think we've been fighting from day one to do something about the inner cities. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I'm for enterprise zones. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I have had it in every single proposal I've sent to the Congress. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And now we hear a lot of talk, oh, well, we all want enterprise zones, and yet the House and the Senate can't send it down without loading it up with a lot of, you know, these Christmas tree ornaments they put on the legislation. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I don't think in racial harmony that I'm a laggard on that. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I've been speaking out since day 1. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| We've gotten the Americans for Disabilities Act, which I think is one of the foremost pieces of civil rights legislation. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And yes, it took me to veto 2 civil rights quota bills because I don't believe in quotas, and I don't think the American people believe in quotas. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And I beat back the Congress on that, and then we passed a decent civil rights bill that offers guarantees against discrimination in employment. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And that is good. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I've spoken out over and over again against antisemitism and racism, and I think my record as a member of Congress speaks for itself on that. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| What was the other part of it? | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Well, it's just that -- you've spoken to it. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I mean, but the idea, not so much in specifics, but that it has to be a crisis before it gets your attention. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I don't think that's true at all. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I don't think that's true, but you know, let others fire away on it. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Do you think that's true, Mr. Perot? | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I'd like to just talk about issues, and so -- | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| You don't think this is an issue? | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Well, no, but the point is that's a subjective thing. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| See, the subjective thing is when does President Bush react? | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And it would be very difficult for me to answer that in any short period of time. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Well, then, let's phrase -- I'll phrase it differently, then. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| He said the other night in his closing words in Richmond that one of the key things that he believes the American people should decide between -- among the 3 of you is who they want in charge if this country gets to a crisis. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Now, that's what he said, and the rap on the president is that it's only crisis time that he focuses on some of these things. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| So my question to you -- we're going to talk about you in a minute -- (Laughter) -- my question to you -- | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I thought you'd forgotten I was here. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| No, no, no, no, no. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| (Laughter) But my question to you is, so -- if you have nothing to say about it, fine, I'll go to Governor Clinton, but -- | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I will let the American people decide that. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I would rather not critique the 2 candidates. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| All right. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Governor, what do you think? | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| The only thing I would say about that is, I think that on the economy, Mr. Bush said for a long time there was no recession, and then said it would be better to do nothing than to have a compromise effort with the Congress. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| He really didn't have a new economic program until over 1300 days into his presidency, and not all of his health care initiative has been presented to the Congress even now. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I think it's important to elect a president who is committed to getting this economy going again, and who realizes we have to abandon trickle-down economics and put the American people first again, and who will send programs to the Congress in the first hundred days to deal with the critical issues that America is crying out for leadership on -- jobs, incomes, the health care crisis, the need to control the economy. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Those things deserve to be dealt with from day one. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I will deal with them from day 1. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| They will be my first priority, not my election year concern. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Mr. President? | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Well, I think you're overlooking that we have had major accomplishments in the first term. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| But if you're talking about protecting the taxpayer against his friends in the US Congress, go back to what it was like when you had a Democratic president and a Democratic Congress. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| You don't have to go back to Herbert Hoover. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Go back to Jimmy Carter, and interest rates were 21%, inflation was 15%. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| The misery index -- unemployment and inflation added together -- it was invented by the Democrats -- went right through the roof. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| We've cut it in half. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And all you hear about is how bad things are. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| You know, remember the question, are you better off? | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Well, is a homebuyer better off he can refinance the home, because interest rates are down? | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Is the senior citizen better off because inflation is not wiping out their family's savings? | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I think they are. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Is the guy out of work better off? | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Of course he's not, but he's not gonna be better off if we grow the government, if we invest, as Governor Clinton says, invest in more government. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| You've got to free up the private sector. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| You've got to let small businesses have more incentives. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| For 3 months -- quarters I've been fighting, 3 quarters been fighting to get the Congress to pass some incentives for small business. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Capital gains, investment tax allowance, credit for first- time homebuyers. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And it's blocked by the Congress. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And then if a little of it comes my way, they load it up with Christmas trees and tax increases, and I have to stand up and favor the taxpayer. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I have to -- we have to talk about Ross Perot now or he'll get me, I'm sure. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Mr. Perot, on this issue that I have raised at the very beginning and we've been talking about, which is leadership, as president of the US, it concerns -- my reading of it, at least, my concerns about you, as expressed by folks in the polls and other places, it goes like this. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| You had a problem with General Motors. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| You took your $750 million and you left. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| You had a problem in the spring and summer about some personal hits that you took as a potential candidate for president of the US and you walked out. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Does that say anything relevant to how you would function as president of the US? | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I think the General Motors thing is very relevant. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I did everything I could to get General Motors to face its problems in the mid-'80s while it was still financially strong. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| They just wouldn't do it, and everybody now knows the terrible price they're paying by waiting until it's obvious to the brain-dead that they have problems. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Now, hundreds, thousands of good, decent people, whole cities up here in this state are adversely impacted because they would not move in a timely way. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Our government is that point now. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| The thing that I am in this race for is to tap the American people on the shoulder and to say to every single one of you, fix it while we're still relatively strong. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| If you have a heart problem, you don't wait till a heart attack to address it. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| So the General Motors experience is relevant. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| At the point when I could not get them to address those problems, I had created so much stress in the board, who wanted to just keep the Lawrence Welk music going, that they asked to buy my remaining shares. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I sold them my remaining shares. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| They went their way. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I went my way because it was obvious we had a complete disagreement about what should be done with the company. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| But let's take my life in perspective. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Again and again, on complex, difficult tasks, I have stayed the course. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| When I was asked by our government to do the POW project, within a year the Vietnamese had sent people into Canada to make arrangements to have me and my family killed. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And I had 5 small children, and my family and I decided we would stay the course, and we lived with that problem for 3 years. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Then I got into the Texas War on Drugs program and the big-time drug dealers got all upset. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Then when I had 2 people imprisoned in Iran, I could have left them there. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I could have rationalized it. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| We went over, we got them out, we brought them back home. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And since then, for years, I have lived with the burden of the Middle East, where it's eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth country, in terms of their unhappiness with the fact that I was successful in that effort. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Again and again and again, in the middle of the night, at 2 or 3 o'clock in the morning, my government has called me to take extraordinary steps for Americans in distress, and again and again and again I have responded. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And I didn't wilt and I didn't quit. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Now, what happened in July we've covered again and again and again. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| But I think in terms of the American people's concern about my commitment, I'm here tonight, folks; I never quit supporting you as you put me on the ballot in the other 26 states; and when you asked me to come back in, I came back in. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And talk about not quitting, I'm spending my money on this campaign; the 2 parties are spending your money, taxpayer money. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I put my wallet on the table for you and your children. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Over $60 million at least will go into this campaign to leave the American dream to you and your children, to get this country straightened out, because if anybody owes it to you, I do. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I've lived the American dream; I'd like for your children to be able to live it, too. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| (Laughter) | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Governor, do you have a response to the staying- the-course question about Mr. Perot? | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I don't have any criticism of Mr. Perot. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I think what I'd like to talk about a minute, since you're asking the question, is the General Motors issue. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I don't think there's any question that the automobile executives made some errors in the 1980s, but I also think we should look at how much productivity has increased lately, how much labor has done to increase productivity and how much management has done. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And we're still losing a lot of auto jobs, in my judgment, because we don't have a national economic strategy that will build the industrial base of this country. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Just today I met with the presidents and the vice presidents of the Willow Run union here, near here. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| They both said they were Vietnam veterans supporting me because I had an economic program to put them back to work. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| We need an investment incentive to modernize plant and equipment; we've got to control the health care costs for those people -- otherwise we can't keep the manufacturing jobs here; and we need a tough trade policy that is fair, that insists on open markets in return for open markets. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| We ought to have a strategy that will build the economic and industrial base. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| So I think Mr. Perot was right in questioning the management practices. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| But they didn't have much of a partner in government here as compared with the policies the Germans and the Japanese followed, and I believe we can do better. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| That's one of the things I want to change. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I know that we can grow manufacturing jobs. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| We did it in my state, and we can do it nationally. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Mr. President, do you have a response? | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| To this? | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Yes. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Well, I wondered, when Governor Clinton was talking to the auto workers, whether he talked about his and Senator Gore's favoring CAFE standards, fuel efficiency standards, of 40 miles per gallon. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| That would break the auto industry and throw a lot of people out of work. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| As regarding Mr. Perot, I take back something I said about him. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I once said, in a frivolous moment, when he got out of the race: If you can't stand the heat, buy an air conditioning company. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And I take it back, because I think -- he said he made a mistake. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And the thing I find is if I make a mistake, I admit it. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I've never heard Governor Clinton make a mistake. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| But one mistake he's made is fuel efficiency standards at 40 to 45 miles a gallon will throw many auto workers out of work, and you can't have it both ways. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| There's a pattern here of appealing to the auto workers and then trying to appeal to the spotted owl crowds or the extremes in the environmental movement. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| You can't do it as president: you can't have a pattern of one side of the issue one day and another the next. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| So my argument is not with Ross Perot; it is more with Governor Clinton. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Governor, what about that charge? | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Do you want it both ways on this issue? | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Let's just talk about the CAFE standards -- that's the fuel efficiency standards. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| They are now 27.5 miles per gallon per automobile fleet. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I never said -- and I defy you to find where I said -- I gave an extensive environmental speech in April, and I said that we ought to have a goal of raising the fuel efficiency standards to 40 miles a gallon. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I think that should be a goal. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I have never said we should write it into law if there is evidence that that goal cannot be achieved. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| The Natl Science Foundation did a study which said it would be difficult for us to reach fuel efficiency standards in excess of 37 miles per gallon by the year 2000. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I think we should try to raise the fuel efficiency. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And let me say this. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I think we ought to have incentives to do it, I think we ought to push to do it. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| That doesn't mean we have to write it into the law. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Look, I am a job creator, not a job destroyer. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| It is the Bush administration that has had no new jobs in the private sector in the last 4 years. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| In my state, we're leading the country in private sector job growth. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| But it is good for America to improve fuel efficiency. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| We also ought to convert more vehicles to compressed natural gas. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| That's another way to improve the environment. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Mr. Perot, based on your experience at General Motors, where do you come down on this? | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| This has been thrown about, back and forth, during this campaign from the very beginning about jobs and CAFE standards. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Well, everybody's nibbling around the edges. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Let's go to the center of the bull's-eye, the core problem. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And believe me, everybody on the factory floor all over this country knows it. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| You implement that NAFTA, the Mexican trade agreement, where they pay people a dollar an hour, have no health care, no retirement, no pollution controls, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, and you're going to hear a giant sucking sound of jobs being pulled out of this country right at a time when we need the tax base to pay the debt and pay down the interest on the debt and get our house back in order. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| We've got to proceed very carefully on that. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| See, there's a lot I don't understand. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I do understand business. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I do understand creating jobs. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I do understand how to make things work. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And I got a long history of doing that. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Now, if you want to go to the core problem that faces everybody in manufacturing in this country, it's that agreement that's about to be put into practice. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| It's very simple. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Everybody says it'll create jobs. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Yes, it'll create bubble jobs. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Now, you know, watch this -- listen very carefully to this. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| One-time surge while we build factories and ship machine tools and equipment down there. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Then year after year for decades, they will have jobs. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And I finally -- I thought I didn't understand it -- called all the experts, and they said, oh, it'll be disruptive for 12 to 15 years. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| We haven't got 12 days, folks. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| We cannot lose those jobs. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| They were eventually saying, Mexican jobs will eventually come to $7.50 an hour, ours will eventually go down to $7.50 an hour. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Makes you feel real good to hear that, right? | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Let's think it through here. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Let's be careful. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I'm for free trade philosophically, but I have studied these trade agreements till the world has gone flat, and we don't have good trade agreements across the world. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I hope we'll have a chance to get into that tonight, because I can get right to the center of the bull's-eye and tell you why we're losing whole industries in this country. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Just for the record, though, Mr. Perot, I take it, then, from your answer, you do not have a position on whether or not enforcing the CAFE standards will cost jobs in the auto industry? | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Oh, no, it will cost jobs, but that's not -- let me say this. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I'd rather, if you gave me 2 bad choices -- | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Okay. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I'd rather have some jobs left here than just see everything head south, see? | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| So that means -- in other words, you agree with President Bush; is that right? | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| No, I'm saying our principal need now is to stabilize the tax base, which is the job base, and create a growing, dynamic base. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Now please, folks, if you don't hear anything else I say, remember where the -- millions of people at work are our tax base. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Jim, one quick point. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| If you confiscate the Forbes 400 wealth, take it all, you cannot balance the budget this year. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Kind of gets your head straight about where the taxes, year in and year out, have gotta come from. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Millions and millions of people at work. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Yes, sir. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I'm caught in the middle on NAFTA. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Ross says, with great conviction, he opposes the North American Free Trade Agreement. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I am for the North American Free Trade Agreement. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| My problem with Governor Clinton, once again, is that one time he's gonna make up his mind, he sees some merit in it, but then he sees a lot of things wrong with it. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Then the other day he says he's for it, however then we've got to pass other legislation. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| When you're president of the US, you cannot have this pattern of saying well, I'm for it but I'm on the other side of it. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And it's true on this and it's true on CAFE. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Look, if Ross were right when we get a free trade agreement with Mexico, why wouldn't they have gone down there now? | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| You have a differential in wages right now. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I just have an honest philosophical difference. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I think free trade is going to expand our job opportunity. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I think it is exports that have saved us when we're in a global slowdown, a connected global slowdown, a recession in some countries. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And it's free trade, fair trade that needs to be our hallmark, and we need more free trade agreements, not fewer. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Governor, quick answer on trade and I want to go on to something else. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| (APPLAUSE) | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I'd like to respond to that. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| You know, Mr. Bush was very grateful when I was among the Democrats who said he ought to have the authority to negotiate an agreement with Mexico. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Neither I nor anybody else, as far a I know, agreed to give him our proxy to say that whatever he did was fine for the workers of this country and for the interests of this country. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I am the one who's in the middle on this. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Mr. Perot says it's a bad deal. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Mr. Bush says it's a hunky-dory deal. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I say on balance it does more good than harm if, if we can get some protection for the environment so that the Mexicans have to follow their own environmental standards, their own labor law standards, and if we have a genuine commitment to reeducate and retrain the American workers who lose their jobs and reinvest in this economy. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I have a realistic approach to trade. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I want more trade, and I know there are some good things in that agreement. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| But it can sure be made better. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Let me just point out, just today in the Los Angeles Times Clyde Prestowitz, who was one of President Reagan's leading trade advisers and a life-long conservative Republican, endorsed my candidacy because he knows that I'll have a free and fair trade policy, a hard-headed, realistic policy, and not get caught up in rubber-stamping everything the Bush administration did. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| If I wanted to do that, why would I run for president, Jim? | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Anybody else can run the middle class down and run the economy in a ditch. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I want to change it. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| (APPLAUSE) | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| We've got about 4 -- | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I think he made my case. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| On the one hand, it's a good deal but on the other hand I'd make it better. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| You can't do that as president. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| You can't do it on the war, where he says well, I was with the minority but I guess I would have voted with the majority. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| This is my point tonight. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| We're talking about 2 weeks from now you've gotta decide who's gonna be president. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And there is this pattern that has plagued him in the primaries and now about trying to have it both ways on all these issues. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| You can't do that. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And if you make a mistake, say you made a mistake and go on about your business, trying to serve the American people. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Right now we heard it. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Ross is against it. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I am for it. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| He says on the one hand I am for it and on the other hand I may be against it. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| The governor -- (APPLAUSE) | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| That's what's wrong with Mr. Bush. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| His whole deal is you've gotta be for it or against it, you can't make it better. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I believe we can be better. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I think the American people are sick and tired of either/or solutions, people being pushed in the corner, polarized to extremes. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| GOVERNOR_CLINTON_(continuing): I want think they want somebody with common sense who can do what's best for the American people. | NaN | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And I'd be happy to discuss these other issues, but I can't believe he is accusing me of getting on both sides. | NaN | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| He said trickle-down economics was voodoo economics; now he's it's biggest practitioner. | NaN | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| (Laughter and applause) He promised -- he -- you know -- let me just say -- | NaN | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| But I've always said trickle-down government is bad. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I could run this string out a long time, but remember this, Jim. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Those 209 Americans last Thursday night in Richmond told us they wanted us to stop talking about each other and start talking about Americans and their problems and their promise, and I think we ought to get back to that. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I'll be glad to answer any question you have, but this election ought to be about the American people. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| (APPLAUSE) | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Mr. Perot. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Is there an equal time rule tonight? | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Yes. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Or do you just keep lunging in at will? | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I thought we were going to have equal time, but maybe I just have to interrupt the other 2. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Is that the way it works? | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| No, it's -- Mr. Perot, you're doing fine. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Go ahead. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Whatever you want to say, say it. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Now that we've talked all around the problem about free trade, let's go again to the center of the bull's- eye. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Wait a minute. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I was going to ask -- I thought you wanted to respond to what we're talking about. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I do, I do. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| All right. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I just want to make -- foreign lobbyists, this whole thing. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Our country has sold out to foreign lobbyists. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| We don't have free trade. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Both parties have foreign lobbyists on leaves in key roles in their campaigns. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And if there's anything more unwise than that, I don't know what it is. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Every debate I bring this up, and nobody ever addresses it. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I would like for them to look you in the eye and tell you why they have people representing foreign countries working on their campaigns. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And you know, you've seen the list, I've seen the list, we won't go into the names, but no wonder they -- if I had those people around me all day every day, telling me it was fair and free, I might believe it. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| But if I look at the facts as a businessman, it's so tilted, the first thing you ought to do is just say, guys, if you like these deals so well, we'll give you the deal you gave us. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Now, Japanese couldn't unload the cars in this country if they had the same restrictions we had, and on and on and on and on and on. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I suggest to you that the core problem -- 1 country spent $400 million lobbying in 1988, our country. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And it goes on and on. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And you look at a who's who in these campaigns around the 2 candidates. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| They're foreign lobbyists taking leaves. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| What do you think they're going to do when the campaign's over? | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Go back to work at 30,000 bucks a month representing some other country. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I don't believe that's in the American people's interest. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I don't have a one of them, and I haven't taken a penny of foreign money, and I never will. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| (APPLAUSE) | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Mr. President, how do you respond to that? | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Mr. Perot's made that charge several times. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| The fact that you have people working in your campaign who are paid foreign lobbyists. | Jim Lehrer | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Most people that are lobbying are lobbying the Congress. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And I don't think there's anything wrong with an honest person who happens to represent an interest of another country for making his case. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| That's the American way. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And what you're assuming is that that makes the recipient of the lobbying corrupt or the lobbyist himself corrupt. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I don't agree with that. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| But if I found somebody that had a conflict of interest that would try to illegally do something as a foreign -- registered lobby, the laws cover this. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I don't know why -- I've never understood quite why Mr. Perot was so upset it, because one of the guys he used to have working for him, I believe, had foreign accounts. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Could be wrong, but I think so. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And as soon as I found it out, he went out the door. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| (Laughter) | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Well -- (APPLAUSE) But I don't -- I think you got to look at the integrity and the honor of the people that are being lobbied and those that are lobbyists. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| The laws protect the American taxpayer in this regard. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| If the laws are violated so much, but to suggest if somebody represents a foreign country on anything, that makes him corrupt or against the taxpayer, I don't agree with that. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| One quick relevant specific. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| We're getting ready to dismantle the airlines industry in our country, and none of you know it. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And I doubt in all candor if the president knows it. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| But this deal that we're doing with BAC and US Air and KLM and Northwest, guess who's on the president's campaign big time: a guy from Northwest. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| This deal is terribly destructive to the US airline industry. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| One of the largest industries in the world is the travel and tourist business. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| We won't be making airplanes in this country 10 years from now if we let deals like this go through. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| If the president has any interest tonight, I'll detail it to you; I won't take 10 minutes tonight. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| All these things take a few minutes. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| But that's happening as we sit here today. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| We hammerlock the American companies -- American Airlines, Delta -- the last few great we have, because we're trying to do this deal with these 2 European companies. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And never forget, they've got Airbus over there, and it's a government-owned, privately owned, consortium across Europe. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| They're dying to get the commercial airline business. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Japan is trying to get the commercial airline business. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I don't think there are any villains inside government on this issue, but there's sure a lot of people who don't understand business. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And maybe you need somebody up there who understands when you're getting your pocket picked. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| (APPLAUSE) | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Jim. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Governor, I'm sorry, but that concludes my time with -- well, you... | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Why, I had a great response to that. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| All right, go ahead, quick, quickly. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Just very briefly. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I think Ross is right and that we do need some more restrictions on lobbyists. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| We ought to make them disclose the people they've given money to when they're testifying before congressional committees; we ought to close the lawyers' loopholes; they ought to have to disclose when they're really lobbying. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And we ought to have to limit -- we ought to have a much longer period of time, about 5 years, between the time when people can leave executive branch offices and then go out and start lobbying for foreign interests. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I agree with that. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| We've wrecked the airline industry already because of all these leverage buyouts and all these terrible things that have happened to the airline industry. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| We're going to have a hard time rebuilding it. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| But the real thing we got to have is a competitive economic strategy. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Look what's happening to McDonnell Douglas; even Boeing is losing market share -- because we let the Europeans spend $25-$40 billion on Airbus without an appropriate competitive response. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| What I want America to do is to trade more but to compete and win by investing in competitive ways. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And we're in real trouble on that. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| (APPLAUSE) | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I'm going to be in real trouble if I don't bring out -- it's now time... | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I promise it's less than 10 seconds. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| OK. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I heard Gov Clinton congratulate us on 1 thing -- first time he said something pleasant about this administration. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Productivity in this country is up, it is way up -- productivity is up. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And that's a good thing. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| There are many good ones, but I was glad he acknowledged that. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Thank you. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Now we're going to move to the 2nd half... | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Now give me 1 second... | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| We're going to move to the... | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I've volunteered. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Now, look, I'm just kind of a, you know, cur dog here; I was put on the ballot by the people, not special interests. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| So I have to stand up for myself. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Now, Jim, let me get it out. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| On the 2nd debate, I offered, since both sides want the enterprise zones and we can't get together, I said I'll take a few days off and go to Washington and hold hands with you and we'll get it done. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I'll take a few days off and hold hands with you and get this airlines thing straightened, because that's important to this country. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| That's kind of pathetic I have to do it -- and nobody's called me yet to come up, I might mention. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| (Laughter) | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| All right, I want to bring in... | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| But if they do -- if they do, it's easy to fix. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| If you all want the enterprise zones, why don't we pass the dang thing and do it, right? | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| All right. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Now we're going to bring in 3 other journalists to ask questions. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| They are Susan Rook of CNN, Gene Gibbons of Reuters and Helen Thomas of United Press Intl. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| You thought you'd never get in here, did you? | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Uh-uh. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Uh-uh. | George H. W. Bush | NaN | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| (APPLAUSE) | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| OK we're going to continue on the subject of leadership and the first question goes to Gov Clinton for a 2-minute answer. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| It will be asked by Helen Thomas. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Helen? | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| HELEN_THOMAS_(upi): Governor Clinton, your credibility has come into question because of your different responses on the Vietnam draft. | NaN | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| If you had it to do over again, would you put on the nation's uniform, and if elected, could you in good conscience send someone to war? | NaN | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| If I had it to do over again I might answer the questions a little better. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| You know, I'd been in public life a long time and no one had ever questioned my role and so I was asked a lot of questions about things that happened a long time ago and I don't think I answered them as well as I could have. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Going back 23 years, I don't know, Helen. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I was opposed to the war. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I couldn't help that. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I felt very strongly about it, and I didn't want to go at the time. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| It's easy to say in retrospect I would have done something differently. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| President Lincoln opposed the war and there were people who said maybe he shouldn't be president, but I think he made us a pretty good president in wartime. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| We've had a lot of other presidents who didn't wear their country's uniform who had to order our young soldiers into battle, including President Wilson and President Roosevelt. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| So the answer is I could do that. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I wouldn't relish doing it but I wouldn't shrink from it. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I think that the president has to be prepared to use the power of the nation when our vital interests are threatened, when our treaty commitments are at stake, when we know that something has to be done that is in the national interest, and that is a part of being president. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Could I do it? | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Yes, I could. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| A reminder now. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| We're back on the St. Louis rules, which means that the governor had his answer and then each of you will have 1 minute to respond. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Mr. President. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Well, I've expressed my heartfelt difference with Governor Clinton on organizing demonstrations while in a foreign land against your country, when young ghetto kids have been drafted and are dying. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| My argument with him on -- the question was about the draft -- is that there's this same pattern. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| In New Hampshire Senator Kerrey said you ought to level, you ought to tell the truth about it. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| On April 17 he said he'd bring out all the records on the draft. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| They have not been forthcoming. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| He got a deferment or he didn't. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| He got a notice or he didn't. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And I think it's this pattern that troubles me, more than the draft. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| A lot of decent, honorable people felt as he did on the draft. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| But it's this pattern. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And again, you might be able to make amendments all the time, Governor, but you've got to, as president, you can't be on all these different sides, and you can't have this pattern of saying well, I did this or I didn't, then the facts come out and you change it. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| That's my big difference with him on the draft. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| It wasn't failing to serve. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Your minute is up, sir. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Yes, sir. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Helen? | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Mr. Perot, 1 minute. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I've spent my whole adult life very close to the military. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I feel very strongly about the people who go into battle for our country. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I appreciate their idealism, their sacrifices. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Appreciate the sacrifices their families make. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| That's been displayed again and again in a very tangible way. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I look on this as history. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I don't look on it personally as relevant, and I consider it really a waste of time tonight, when you consider the issues that face our country right now. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| All right. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| The next question goes to President Bush and Gene Gibbons will ask it. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Gene. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| (APPLAUSE) | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| GENE_GIBBONS_(Reuters): Mr. President, you keep saying that you made a mistake in agreeing to a tax increase to get the 1990 budget deal with Congress. | NaN | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| But if you hadn't gotten that deal, you would have either had to get repeal of the Gramm-Rudman Deficit Control Act or cut defense spending drastically at a time when the country was building up for the gulf war, and decimate domestic discretionary spending, including such things as air traffic control. | NaN | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| If you had it to do all over again, sir, which of those alternatives would you choose? | NaN | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I wouldn't have taken any of the alternatives. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I believe that -- I believe I made a mistake. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I did it for the very reasons you say. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| There was one good thing that came out of that budget agreement, and that is we put a cap on discretionary spending. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| One-third of the president's budget is at the president's discretion, or really the Congress, since they appropriate every dime and tell a president how to spend every dime. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| We've put a cap on the growth of all that spending, and that's good and that's helped. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| But I was wrong because I thought the tax compromise, going along with 1 Democratic tax increase, would help the economy. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I see no evidence that it has done it. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| So what would I have done? | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| What should I have done? | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I should have held out for a better deal that would have protected the taxpayer and not ended up doing what we had to do, or what I thought at the time would help. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| So I made a mistake, and I -- you know, the difference, I think, is that I knew at the time I was going to take a lot of political flak. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I knew we'd have somebody out there yelling "read my lips", and I did it because I thought it was right. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And I made a mistake. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| That's quite different than taking a position where you know it's best for you. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| That wasn't best for me and I knew it in the very beginning. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I thought it would be better for the country than it was. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| So there we are. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| (APPLAUSE) | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Mr. Perot, 1 minute. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| 101 in leadership is be accountable for what you do. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Let's go back to the tax and budget summit briefly. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Nobody ever told the American people that we increased spending $1.83 for every dollar of taxes raised. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| That's absolutely unconscionable. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Both parties carry a huge blame for that on their shoulders. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| This was not a way to pay down the deficit. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| This was a trick on the American people. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| That's not leadership. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Let's go back in terms of accepting responsibility for your actions. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| If you create Saddam Hussein, over a 10-year period, using billions of dollars of US taxpayer money, step up to the plate and say it was a mistake. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| If you create Noriega, using taxpayer money, step up to the plate and say it was a mistake. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| If you can't get your act together to pick him up one day when a Panamanian major has kidnapped him and a special forces team is 400 yards away and it's a stroll across the park to get him, and if you can't get your act together, at least pick up the Panamanian major, who they then killed, step up to the plate and admit it was a mistake. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| That's leadership, folks. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Now, leaders will always make mistakes. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| We've created, and I'm not aiming at any one person here, I'm aiming at our government -- nobody takes responsibility for anything. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| We've gotta change that. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I'm taking responsibility for saying your time's up. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I'm watching the lights. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| All right. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Governor Clinton, 1 minute, sir. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| The mistake that was made was making the "read my lips" promise in the first place just to get elected, knowing what the size of the deficit was. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| (APPLAUSE) Knowing what the size of the deficit was, knowing there was no plan to control health care costs and knowing that we did not have a strategy to get real economic growth back into this economy. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| The choices were not good then. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I think at the time, the mistake that was made was signing off on the deal late on Saturday night in the middle of the night. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| That's just what the president did when he vetoed the Family Leave Act. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I think what he should have done is gone before the American people on the front end and said listen, I made a commitment and it was wrong. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I made a mistake because I couldn't have foreseen these circumstances and this is the best deal we can work out at the time. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| He said it was in the public interest at the time and most everybody who was involved in it, I guess, thought it was. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| The real mistake was the "read my lips" promise in the first place. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| You just can't promise something like that just to get elected if you know there's a good chance that circumstances may overtake you. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| All right, Mr. Perot, the question is for you. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| You have a 2-minute answer, and it will be asked by Susan Rook. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| SUSAN_ROOK_(CNN): Mr. Perot, you've talked about going to Washington to do what the people who run this country want you to do. | NaN | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| But it is the president's duty to lead, and often lead alone. | NaN | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| How can you lead if you are forever seeking consensus before you act? | NaN | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| You're talking about 2 different subjects. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| In order to lead, you first have to use the White House as a bully pulpit and lead; then you have to develop consensus or you can't get anything done, and that's where we are now. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| We can't get anything done. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| How do you get anything done when you've got all of these political action committees, all of these thousands of registered lobbyists -- 40,000 registered lobbyists, 23,000 special interest groups -- and the list goes on and on and on. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And the average citizen out here is just working hard every day. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| You've got to go to the people. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I just love the fact that everybody, particularly in the media, goes bonkers over the town hall. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I guess it's because you will lose your right to tell them what to think. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| The point is, they'll get to decide what to think. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| (Laughter and applause) I love the fact that people will listen to a guy with a bad accent and a poor presentation manner talking about flip charts for 30 minutes, because they want the details. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| See, all the folks up there at the top said the attention span of the American people is no more than 5 minutes, they won't watch it. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| They're thirsty for it. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| You want to have a new program in this country. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| If you get grassroots America excited about it, and if they tap Congress on the shoulder and say do it, Charlie, it'll happen. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And that's a whole lot different from these fellows running up and down the halls whispering in their ears now and promising campaign funds for the next election if they do it. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Now, I think that's going back to where we started. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| That's having a government from the people. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I think that's the essence of leadership, rather than cutting deals in dark rooms in Washington. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| (APPLAUSE) | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Governor Clinton, 1 minute. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Well, I believe in the town hall meetings; they started with my campaign in New Hampshire. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And I think Ross Perot has done a good job in having them. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And I, as you know, pushed for the debate to include the 209 American citizens who were part of it in Richmond a few days ago. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I've done a lot of them, and I'll continue to do them as president. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| But I'd also like to point out that I haven't been part of what we're criticizing in Washington tonight. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Of the 3 of us, I have balanced a government budget 12 times, I have offered and passed campaign finance reform, offered, pushed for and passed in public referendum lobbyist restrictions, done the kinds of things you have to do to get legislators together not only to establish consensus but to challenge them to change. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And in 12 years as governor I guess I've taken on every interest group there was in my state at one time or another to fight for change. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| It can be done. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| That's why I tried to be so specific in this campaign to have a mandate, if elected, so that Congress will know what the American people have voted for. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| (APPLAUSE) | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| President Bush, 1 minute. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I would like the record to show the panelists that Ross Perot took the first shot at the press. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| My favorite bumper sticker, though, is: Annoy the Media. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Re-elect President Bush. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And I just had to work that in. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Sorry, Helen. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| (Laughter and applause) I'm going to pay for this later on. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Look, you have to build a consensus, but in some things -- Ross mentioned Saddam Hussein. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Yes, we tried, and, yes, we failed to bring him into the family of nations; he had the 4th largest army. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| But then when he moved against Kuwait, I said this will not stand. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And it's hard to build a consensus. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| We went to the UN, we made historic resolutions up there, the whole world was united, our Congress was dragging its feet. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Governor Clinton said, well, I might have been with the minority, let sanctions work -- but I guess I would have voted with the majority. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| A president can't do that. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Sometimes he has to act. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And in this case I'm glad we did, because if we had let sanctions work and tried to build a consensus on that, Saddam Hussein today would be in Saudi Arabia controlling the world's oil supply, and he would be there maybe with a nuclear weapon. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| We busted the 4th largest army, and we did it through leadership. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| All right, we're going to go on to another subject now, and the subject is priorities. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| The first question goes to you, President Bush, and Susan will ask it. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| President Bush, gentlemen, I acknowledge that all of you have women and ethnic minorities working for you and working with you. | ROOK | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| But when we look at the circle of the key people closest to you, your inner circle of advisers, we see white men only. | ROOK | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Why? | ROOK | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And when will that change? | ROOK | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| You don't see Margaret Tutwiler sitting in there with me today. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| The key people, President Bush. | ROOK | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Huh? | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| The key people, the people beyond the glass ceiling. | ROOK | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| (APPLAUSE) | ROOK | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I happen to think she's a key person. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I think our Cabinet members are key people. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I think the woman that works with me, Rose Zamaria, is about as tough as a boot out there and makes some discipline and protects the taxpayer. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Look at our Cabinet. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| You talk about somebody strong. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Look at Carla Hills. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Look at Lynn Martin, who's fighting against this glass ceiling and doing a first-class job on it. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Look at our surgeon general, Dr. Novello. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| You can look all around and you'll see first-class strong women. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Jim Baker's a man. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Yeah, I plead guilty to that. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| (Laughter) But look who's around with him there. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I mean, this is a little defensive on your part, Susan, to be honest with you. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| We've got a very good record appointing women to high positions and positions of trust, and I'm not defensive at all about it. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| What we got to do is keep working, as the Labor Dept is doing a first-class job on, to break down discrimination, to break down the glass ceiling. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And I am not apologetic at all about our record with women. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| We've got, I think -- you know, you think about women in government, I think about women in business. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Why not try to help them with my small business program to build some incentives into the system? | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I think we're making progress here. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| You got a lot of women running for office. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| As I said the other night, I hope a lot of them lose because they're liberal Democrats -- (Laughter) -- and we don't need more of them in the Senate or more of them in the House. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| But nevertheless, they're out there. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And we got some very good Republican women running. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| So we're making dramatic progress. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Mr. Perot, 1 minute. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Well, I come from the computer business, and everybody knows the women are more talented than the men. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| So we have a long history of having a lot of talented women. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| One of our first officers was a woman, the chief financial officer. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| She was a director. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And it was so far back, it was considered so odd, and even though we were a tiny, little company at the time, it made all the national magazines. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| But in terms of being influenced by women and being a minority, there they are right out there, my wife and my 4 beautiful daughters, and I just have 1 son, so he and I are surrounded by women, giving -- telling us what to do all the time. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| (Laughter) And the rest of my minute, I want to make a very brief comment here in terms of Saddam Hussein. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| We told him that we wouldn't get involved with his border dispute, and we've never revealed those papers that were given to Ambassador Glaspie on July the 25th. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I suggest, in the sense of taking responsibility for your actions, we lay those papers on the table. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| They're not the secrets to the nuclear bomb. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Secondly, we got upset when he took the whole thing, but to the ordinary American out there who doesn't know where the oil fields are in Kuwait, they're near the border. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| We told him he could take the northern part of Kuwait, and when he took the whole thing, we went nuts. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And if we didn't tell him that, why won't we even let the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and the Senate Intelligence Committee see the written instructions for Ambassador Glaspie? | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I've got reply on that. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| That gets to the national honor. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| We did not say to Saddam Hussein, Ross, you can take the northern part of Kuwait. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Well, where are the papers? | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| That is absolutely absurd. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Where are the papers? | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Glaspie has testified -- (APPLAUSE) -- and Glaspie's papers have been presented to the US Senate. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Please, let's be factual. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| If you have time, go through Nexis and Lexis, pull all the old news articles, look at what Ambassador Glaspie said all through the fall and what-have-you, and then look at what she and Kelly and all the others in State said at the end when they were trying to clean it up. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And talk to any head of any of those key committees in the Senate. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| They will not let them see the written instructions given to Ambassador Glaspie. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And I suggest that in a free society owned by the people, the American people ought to know what we told Ambassador Glaspie to tell Saddam Hussein, because we spent a lot of money and risked lives and lost lives in that effort, and did not accomplish most of our objectives. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| We got Kuwait back to the emir but he's still not his nuclear, his chemical, his bacteriological and he's still over there, right? | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I'd like to see those written instructions. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| (APPLAUSE) | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Mr. President, just to make sure that everybody knows what's going on here, when you responded directly to Mr. Perot, you violated the rule, your rules. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Now -- | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| For which I apologize. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| When I make a mistake I say I'm sorry. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| (Laughter.) | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I just want to make sure everybody understands. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| If you all want to change the rules, we can do it. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| No, I don't. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I apologize for it but that one got right to the national honor and I'm sorry. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I just couldn't let it stand. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Governor Clinton, you have a minute. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Susan, I don't agree that there are no women and minorities in important positions in my campaign. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| There are many. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| But I think even more relevant is my record at home. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| For most of my time as governor a woman was my chief of staff. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| An African American was my chief cabinet officer. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| An African American was my chief economic development officer. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| It was interesting today. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| There was a story today or yesterday in the Washington Post about my economic programs and my chief budget officer and my chief economic officer were both African Americans, even though the Post didn't mention that, which I think is a sign of progress. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| The Natl Women's Political Caucus gave me an award, one of their Good Guy Awards, for my involvement of women in high levels of government, and I've appointed more minorities to positions of high level in government than all the governors in the history of my state combined, before me. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| So that's what I'll do as president. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I don't think we've got a person to waste and I think I owe the American people a White House staff, a Cabinet and appointments that look like America but that meet high standards of excellence, and that's what I'll do. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| (APPLAUSE) | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| All right. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Next question goes to you, Mr. Perot. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| It's a 2-minute question and Helen will ask it. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Helen? | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Mr. Perot, what proof do you have that Saddam Hussein was told that he could have the -- do you have any actual proof or are you asking for the papers? | THOMAS | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And also, I really came in with another question. | THOMAS | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| What is this penchant you have to investigate everyone? | THOMAS | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Are those accusations correct -- investigating your staff, investigating the leaders of the grassroots movement, investigating associates of your family? | THOMAS | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| No. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| They're not correct and if you look at my life, until I got involved in this effort, I was one person. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And then after the Republican dirty tricks group got through with me I'm another person, which I consider an absolutely sick operation. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And all of you in the press know exactly what I'm talking about. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| They investigated every single one of my children. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| They investigated my wife. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| They interviewed all of my children's friends from childhood on. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| They went to extraordinary sick lengths, and I just found it amusing that they would take 2 or 3 cases where I was involved in lawsuits and would engage an investigator -- the lawyers would engage an investigator, which is common. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And the only difference between me and any other businessman that has the range of businesses that I have is I haven't had that many lawsuits. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| So that's just another one of those little fruit-loopy things they make up to try to, instead of facing issues, to try to redefine a person that's running against them. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| This goes on night and day. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I will do everything I can, if I get up there, to make dirty tricks a thing of the past. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| One of the 2 groups has raised it to an art form. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| It's a sick art form. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Now, let's go back to Saddam Hussein. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| We gave Ambassador Glaspie written instructions. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| That's a fact. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| We've never let the Congress and the Foreign Relations, Senate Intelligence Committees see them. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| That's a fact. | Henry Ross Perot | NaN | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Ambassador Glaspie did a lot of talking right after July 25 and that's a fact and it's in all the newspapers. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And you pull all of it at once and read it and I did, and it's pretty clear what she and Kelly and the other key guys around that thing thought they were doing. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Then at the end of the war, when they had to go testify about it, their stories are a total disconnect from what they said in August, September and October. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| So I say this is very simple. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Saddam Hussein released a tape, as you know, claiming it was a transcript of their meeting, where she said we will not become involved in your border dispute and, in effect, you can take the northern part of the country. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| We later said no, that's not true. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I said well, this is simple. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| What were her written instructions? | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| We guard those like the secrets of the atomic bomb, literally. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Now, I say whose country is this? | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| This is ours. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Who will get hurt if we lay those papers on the table? | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| The worst thing is, again, it's a mistake. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Nobody did any of this with evil intent. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I just object to the fact that we cover up and hide things. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Whether it's Iran-contra, Iraq-gate or you name it, it's a steady stream. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Governor Clinton, you have 1 minute. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Let's take Mr. Bush for the moment at his word -- he's right, we don't have any evidence at least that our government did tell Saddam Hussein he could have that part of Kuwait. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And let's give him the credit he deserves for organizing Operation Desert Storm and Desert Shield. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| It was a remarkable event. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| But let's look at where I think the real mistake was made. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| In 1988 when the war between Iraq and Iran ended, we knew Saddam Hussein was a tyrant, we had dealt with him because he was against Iran -- the enemy of my enemy maybe is my friend. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| All right, the war's over; we know he's dropping mustard gas on his own people, we know he's threatened to incinerate half of Israel. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Several government departments -- several -- had information that he was converting our aid to military purposes and trying to develop weapons of mass destruction. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| But in late '89 the president signed a secret policy saying we were going to continue to try to improve relations with him, and we sent him some sort of communication on the eve of his invasion of Kuwait that we still wanted better relations. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| So I think what was wrong -- I give credit where credit is due -- but the responsibility was in coddling Saddam Hussein when there was no reason to do it and when people at high levels in our government knew he was trying to do things that were outrageous. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Mr. President, you have a moment -- a minute, I'm sorry. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Well, it's awful easy when you're dealing with 90-90 hindsight. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| We did try to bring Saddam Hussein into the family of nations; he did have the 4th largest army. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| All our Arab allies out there thought we ought to do just exactly that. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And when he crossed the line, I stood up and looked into the camera and I said: This aggression will not stand. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And we formed a historic coalition, and we brought him down, and we destroyed the 4th largest army. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And the battlefield was searched, and there wasn't one single iota of evidence that any US weapons were on that battlefield. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And the nuclear capability has been searched by the United Nations, and there hasn't been one single scintilla of evidence that there's any US technology involved in it. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And what you're seeing on all this Iraq-gate is a bunch of people who were wrong on the war trying to cover their necks here and try to do a little revisionism. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And I cannot let that stand, because it isn't true. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Yes, we had grain credits for Iraq, and there isn't any evidence that those grain credits were diverted into weaponry -- none, none whatsoever. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| (APPLAUSE) And so I just have to say, it's fine. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| You can't stand there, Governor Clinton, and say, well, I think I'd have been -- I have supported the minority, let sanctions work or wish it would go away -- but I would have voted with the majority. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Come on, that's not leadership. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| All right, the next question goes to Governor Clinton, and Gene Gibbons will ask it. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Gene? | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Governor, an important aspect of leadership is, of course, anticipating problems. | GIBBONS | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| During the 1988 campaign there was little or no mention of the savings and loan crisis that has cost the American people billions and billions of dollars. | GIBBONS | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Now there are rumblings that a commercial bank crisis is on the horizon. | GIBBONS | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Is there such a problem, sir? | GIBBONS | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| If so, how bad is it and what will it cost to clean it up? | GIBBONS | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Gene, there is a problem in the sense that there are some problem banks, and on December 19th new regulations will go into effect which will in effect give the government the responsibility to close some banks that are not technically insolvent but that are plainly in trouble. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| On the other hand, I don't think that we have any reason to believe that the dimensions of this crisis are anywhere near as great as the savings and loan crisis. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| The mistake that both parties made in Washington with the S&L business was deregulating them without proper capital requirements, proper oversight and regulation, proper training of the executives. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Many people predicted what happened, and it was a disaster. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| The banking system in this country is fundamentally sound with some weak banks. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I think that our goal ought to be first of all not to politicize it, not to frighten people; secondly to say that we have to enforce the law in 2 ways. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| We don't want to overreact, as the federal regulators have in my judgment, on good banks so that they've created credit crunches, that is, they have made our recession worse in the last couple of years -- but we do want to act prudently with the banks that are in trouble. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| We also want to say that insofar as is humanly possible the banking industry itself should pay for the cost of any bank failures; the taxpayers should not. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And that will be my policy. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And I believe if we have a good balanced approach, we can get the good banks loaning money again, end the credit crunch, have proper regulation on the ones that are in trouble, and not overreact. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| It is a serious problem, but I don't see it as the kind of terrible, terrible problem that the S&L problem was. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| President Bush, one minute. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Well, I don't believe it would be appropriate for a president to suggest that the banking system is not sound. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| It is sound. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| There are some problem banks out there. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| But what we need is financial reform; we need some real financial reform, banking reform legislation. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And I have proposed that. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And when I am re-elected, I believe one of the first things ought to be to press a new Congress not beholden to the old ways to pass financial reform legislation that modernizes the banking system, doesn't put a lot of inhibitions on it, and protects the depositors through keeping the FDIC sound. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| But I think that -- I just was watching some of the proceedings of the American Bankers Assn, and I think the general feeling is most of the banks are sound, certainly there's no comparison here between what happened to the S&Ls and where the banks stand right now, in my view. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Mr. Perot, 1 minute. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Well, nobody's gotten into the real issue yet on the savings and loan again -- nobody's got a business background, I guess. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| The whole problem came up in 1984. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| The president of the US was told officially it was a $20-billion problem. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| These crooks -- now, Willie Sutton would have gone to own a savings and loan rather than rob banks, because he robbed banks because that's where the money is; owning a savings and loan is where the money was. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Now, in 1984 they were told. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I believe the vice president was in charge of deregulation. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Nobody touched that tar baby till the day after election in 1988 because they were flooding both parties with crooked PAC money, and it was in many cases stolen PAC money. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Now, you and I never got a ride on a lot of these yachts and fancy things it bought, but you and I are paying for it. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And they buried it till right after the election. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Now, if you believe The Washington Post and you believe this extensive study that's been done -- and I'm reading it -- right after election day this year they're going to hit us with a hundred banks, it will be a $100-billion problem. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Now, if that's true, just tell me now. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I'm grownup, I can deal with it, I'll pay my share. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| But just tell me now; don't bury until after the election twice. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I say that to both political parties. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| The people deserve that since we have to pick up the tab; you got the PAC money, we'll pay the tab. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Just tell us. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| All right, Mr. Perot, the next question -- we're going into a new round here on a category just called differences, and the question goes to you, Mr. Perot, and Gene will ask it. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Gene? | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Mr. Perot, aside from the deficit, what government policy or policies do you really want to do something about? | GIBBONS | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| What really sticks in your craw about conditions in this country -- beside the deficit -- that you would want to fix as president? | GIBBONS | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| The debt and the deficit. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Well, if you watched my television show the other night, you saw it. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And if you watch it Thursday, Friday, Saturday this week, you'll get more. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| A shameless plug there, Mr. President. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| But in a nutshell we've got to reform our government or we won't get anything done. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| We have a government that doesn't work. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| All these specific examples I'm giving tonight -- if you had a business like that, they'd be leading you away and boarding up the doors. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| We have a government that doesn't work. | Henry Ross Perot | NaN | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| It's supposed to come from the people, it comes at the people. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| The people need to take their government back. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| You've got to reform Congress, they've got to be servants of the people again; you've got to reform the White House. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| We've got to turn this thing around. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And it's a long list of specific items. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And I've covered it again and again in print and on television. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| But very specifically the key thing is to turn the government back to the people and take it away from the special interests and have people go to Washington to serve. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Who can give themselves a 23% pay raise anywhere in the world except Congress? | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Who would have 1200 airplanes worth 2 billion a year just to fly around in? | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I don't have a free reserved parking place at Natl Airport, why should my servants? | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I don't have an indoor gymnasium and an indoor tennis and an indoor every other thing they can think of; I don't have a place where I can go make free TV to send to my constituents to try to brainwash them to elect me the next time. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And I'm paying for all that for those guys. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I'm going to be running an ad pretty soon that shows they promised us they were going to hold the line on spending at the tax and budget summit, and I'm going to show how much they've increased this little stuff they do for themselves. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And it is silly putty, folks, and the American people have had enough of it. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Step one, if I get up there, we're going to clean that up. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| You say, how can I get Congress to do that? | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I'll have millions of people at my shoulder, shoulder to shoulder with me, and we will see it done work speed -- because it's wrong. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| We've turned the country upside down. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| (APPLAUSE) | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Governor Clinton, you have one minute. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Governor? | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I would just point out, on the point Mr. Perot made, I agree that we need to cut spending in Congress. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I've called for a 25% reduction in congressional staffs and expenditures. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| But the White House staff increased its expenditures by considerably more than Congress has in the last 4 years under the Bush administration, and Congress has actually spent a billion dollars less than President Bush asked them to spend. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Now, when you out-spend Congress you're really swinging. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| That, however, is not my only passion. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| The real problem in this country is that most people are working hard and falling farther behind. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| My passion is to pass a jobs program and get incomes up with an investment incentive program to grow jobs in the private sector, to waste less public money and invest more, to control health care costs and provide for affordable health care for all Americans and to make sure we've got the best trained workforce in the world. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| That is my passion. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| We've gotta get this country growing again and this economy strong again or we can't bring down the deficit. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Economic growth is the key to the future of this country. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| (APPLAUSE) | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| President Bush, one minute. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| On government reform? | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Sir? | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Government reform? | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Yes, exactly. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Well, to respond to the subject that Mr. Perot mentioned. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Well, how about this for a government reform policy? | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Reduce the White House staff by a 3rd after or at the same time the Congress does the same thing for their staff. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Term limits for members of the US Congress. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Give the government back to the people. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Let's do it that way. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| The president has term limits. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Let's limit some of these guys sitting out here tonight. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| (APPLAUSE) Term limits. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And then how about a balanced budget amendment to the Constitution? | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Forty-3 -- more than that -- states have it, I believe. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Let's try that. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And you want to do something about all this extra spending that concerns Mr. Perot and me? | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Okay. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| How about a line item veto? | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Forty-three governors have that. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And give it to the president, and if the Congress isn't big enough to do it, let the president have a shot at this excess spending. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| A line item veto. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| That means you can take a line and cut out some of the pork out of a meaningful bill. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Governor Clinton keeps hitting me on vetoing legislation. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Well, that's the only protection the taxpayer has against some of these reckless pork programs up there, and I'd rather be able to just line it right out of there and get on about passing some good stuff but leave out the garbage. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Line item veto -- there's a good reform program for you. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| All right. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| (APPLAUSE) Next question goes to Governor Clinton. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| You have 2 minutes, Governor, and Susan will ask it. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Governor Clinton, you said that you will raise taxes on the rich, people with incomes of $200,000 a year or higher. | ROOK | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| A lot of people are saying that you will have to go lower than that, much lower. | ROOK | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Will you make a pledge tonight below which, an income level that you will not go below? | ROOK | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I'm looking for numbers, sir, not just a concept. | ROOK | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| My plan -- you can read my plan. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| My plan says that we want to raise marginal incomes on family incomes above $200,000 from 31 to 36 percent, that we want to ask foreign corporations simply to pay the same percentage of taxes on their income that American corporations play (sic) in America, that we want to use that money to provide over $100 billion in tax cuts for investment in new plant and equipment, for small business, for new technologies, and for middle class tax relief. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Now, I'll tell ya this. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I will not raise taxes on the middle class to pay for these programs. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| If the money does not come in there to pay for these programs, we will cut other government spending or we will slow down the phase-in of the programs. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I am not gonna raise taxes on the middle class to pay for these programs. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Now furthermore, I am not gonna tell you "read my lips" on anything because I cannot foresee what emergencies might develop in this country. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And the president said never, never, never would he raise taxes in New Jersey, and within a day Marlin Fitzwater, his spokesman, said now, that's not a promise. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| So I think even he has learned that you can't say "read my lips" because you can't know what emergencies might come up. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| But I can tell you this. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I'm not gonna raise taxes on middle class Americans to pay for the programs I've recommended. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Read my plan. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And you know how you can trust me about that? | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Because you know, in the first debate, Mr. Bush made some news. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| He'd just said Jim Baker was going to be secretary of state and in the first debate he said no, now he's gonna be responsible for domestic economic policy. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Well, I'll tell ya. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I'll make some news in the 3rd debate. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| The person responsible for domestic economic policy in my administration will be Bill Clinton. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I'm gonna make those decisions, and I won't raise taxes on the middle class to pay for my programs. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| (APPLAUSE) | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| President Bush, you have one minute. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| That's what worries me -- (Laughter and applause) -- that he's going to be responsible. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| He's going to do -- and he would do for the US what he's done to Arkansas. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| He would do for the US what he's done to Arkansas. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| We do not want to be the lowest of the low. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| We are not a nation in decline. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| (APPLAUSE) We are a rising nation. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Now, my problem is -- I heard what he said. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| He said I want to take it from the rich, raise $150 billion from the rich. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| To get it, to get $150 billion in new taxes, you got to go down to the guy that's making $36,600. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And if you want to pay for the rest of his plan, all the other spending programs, you're going to sock it to the working man. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| So when you hear "tax the rich," Mr. and Mrs. America, watch your wallet. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Lock your wallet because he's coming right after you just like Jimmy Carter did and just like you're going to get -- you're going to end up with interest rates at 21%, and you're going to have inflation going through the roof. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Yes, we're having tough times, but we do not need to go back to the failed policies of the past, when you had a Democratic president and a spendthrift Democratic Congress. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| (APPLAUSE) | George H. W. Bush | NaN | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Mr. Perot. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Jim, you permitted Mr. Bush to break the rules, he said, to defend the honor of the country. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| What about the honor of my state? | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| We rank first in the country in job growth, we got the lowest spending, state and local, in the country, and the 2nd lowest tax burden. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And the difference between Arkansas and the US is that we're going in the right direction and this country's going in the wrong direction. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And I have to defend the honor of my state. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| (APPLAUSE) | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| We've got a wash, according to my calculation. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| We have a wash. And we go to Mr. Perot for one minute. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| In other words, it's a violation of the rule, that's what I meant, Mr. Perot. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| So I'm the only one that's untarnished at this point? | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| That's right. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| You're clear. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| (Laughter and applause) | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I'm sure I'll do it before it's over. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| (Laughter) Key thing here, see, we all come up with images. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Images don't fix anything. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I think -- you know, I'm starting to understand it. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| You stay around this long enough, you think about -- if you talk about it in Washington, you think you did it. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| If you've been on television about it, you think you did it. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| (Laughter) What we need is people to stop talking and start doing. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Now, our real problem here is they both have plans that will not work. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| The Wall Street Journal said your numbers don't add up. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And you can take it out on charts, you look at all the studies the different groups have done, you go out 4, 5, 6 years, we're still drifting along with a huge deficit. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| So let's come back to harsh reality, and what I -- you know, everybody says, gee, Perot, you're tough. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I'm saying, well, this is not as tough as World War II and it's not as tough as the revolution. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And it's fair, shared sacrifice to do the right thing for our country and for our children. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And it will be fun if we all work together to do it. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| All right. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| This is the last question, and it goes to President Bush for a 2-minute answer. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And it will be asked by Helen. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Mr. President, why have you dropped so dramatically in the leadership polls, from the high 80s to the 40s? | THOMAS | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And you have said that you will do anything you have to do to get reelected. | THOMAS | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| What can you do in 2 weeks to win reelection? | THOMAS | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Well, I think the answer to why the drop, I think, has been the economy in the doldrums. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Why I'll win is I think I have the best plan of the 3 of us up here to do something about it. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Mine does not grow the government, it does not invest, have government invest. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| It says we need to do better in terms of stimulating private business. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| We got a big philosophical difference here tonight between one who thinks the government can do all these things through tax and spend, and one who thinks it ought to go the other way. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And so I believe the answer is, I'm going to win it because I'm getting into focus my agenda for America's renewal, and also I think that Governor Clinton's had pretty much of a free ride. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| On looking specifically at the Arkansas record -- he keeps criticizing us, criticizing me, I'm the incumbent, fine. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| But he's an incumbent, and we've got to look at all the facts. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| They're almost at the bottom on every single category. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| We can't do that to the American people. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And then, Helen, I really believe where people are going to ask this question about trust, because I do think there's a pattern by Governor Clinton of saying one thing to please one group, and then trying to please another group. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And I think that pattern is a dangerous thing to suggest would work for the Oval Office. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| It doesn't work that way when you're president. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Truman is right. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| The buck stops there. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And you have to make decisions even when it's against your own interest. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And I've done that. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| It's against my political interest to say go ahead and go along with the tax increase, but I did what I thought was right at the time. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| So I think people are going to be looking for trust and experience. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And then, I mentioned it the other night, I think if there's a crisis, people are going to say, well, George Bush has taken us through some tough crises, and we trust him to do that. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And so I'll make the appeal on a wide array of issues. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Also I got a philosophical difference. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I got to watch the clock here. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I don't think we're a declining nation. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| The whole world has had economic problems. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| We're doing better than a lot of the countries in the world. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And we're going to lead the way out of this economic recession across this world and economic slowdown here at home. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Mr. Perot, you have -- | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| That's why I think I'll win. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Mr. Perot -- sorry, excuse me, sir. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Mr. Perot, you have one minute. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I'm the last one, right? | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| No, Governor Clinton has a minute after you. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Then we have the closing statements. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| One minute after you. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Right. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I'm totally focussed on the fact that we may have bank failures and nobody answered it. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I'm totally focussed on the fact that we are still evading the issue of the Glaspie papers. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I'm totally focussed on the fact that we still could have enterprise zones, according to both parties, but we don't. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| So I am still focussed on gridlock, I guess. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And I am also focussed on the fact that isn't it a paradox that we have the highest productivity in our workforce in the industrialized world and at the same time have the largest trade deficit, and at the same time rank behind 9 other nations in what we pay our most productive people in the world, and we're losing whole industries overseas. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Now, can't somebody agree with me that the government is breaking business's legs with these trade agreements? | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| They're breaking business's legs in a number of different ways. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| We have an adversarial relationship that's destroying jobs and sending them overseas while we have the finest workers in the world. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Keep in mind a factory worker has nothing to do with anything except putting it together on the factory floor. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| It's our obligation to make sure that we give him the finest products in the world to put together and we don't break his legs in the process. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Governor Clinton, one minute. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I really can't believe Mr. Bush is still trying to make trust an issue after "read my lips" and 15 million new jobs and embracing what he called voodoo economics and embracing an export enhancement program for farmers he threatened to veto and going all around the country giving out money in programs that he once opposed. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| But the main thing is he still didn't get it, from what he said the other night to that fine woman on our program, the 209 people in Richmond. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| They don't want us talking about each other. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| They want us to talk about the problems of this country. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I don't think he'll be reelected because trickle down economics is a failure and he's offering more of it, and what he's saying about my program is just not true. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Look at the Republicans that have endorsed me. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| High tech executives in Northern California. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Look at the 24 generals and admirals, retired, that have endorsed me, including the deputy commander of Desert Storm. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Look at Sarah Brady, Jim Brady's wife, President Reagan's press secretary, who endorsed me because he knuckled under to the NRA and wouldn't fight for the Brady Bill. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| We've got a broad-based coalition that goes beyond party because I am going to change this country and make it better, with the help of the American people. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| (APPLAUSE) | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| All right. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Now, that was the final question and answer and we now go to the closing statements. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Each candidate will have up to 2 minutes. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| The order was determined by a drawing. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Governor Clinton, you're first. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Governor. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| First, I'd like to thank the commission and my opponents for participating in these debates and making them possible. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I think the real winners of the debates were the American people. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I was especially moved in Richmond a few days ago when 209 of our fellow citizens got to ask us questions. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| They went a long way toward reclaiming this election for the American people and taking their country back. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I want to say, since this is the last time I'll be on a platform with my opponents, that even though I disagree with Mr. Perot on how fast we can reduce the deficit and how much we can increase taxes on the middle class, I really respect what he's done in this campaign to bring the issue of deficit reduction to our attention. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I'd like to say to Mr. Bush, even though I've got profound differences with him, I do honor his service to our country. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I appreciate his efforts and I wish him well. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I just believe it's time to change. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I offer a new approach. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| It's not trickle down economics. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| It's been tried for 12 years and it's failed. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| More people are working harder for less, 100,000 people a month losing their health insurance, unemployment going up, our economy slowing down. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| We can do better. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And it's not tax and spend economics. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| It's invest and grow, put our people first, control health care costs and provide basic health care to all Americans, have an education system 2nd to none and revitalize the private economy. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| That is my commitment to you. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| It is the kind of change that can open up a whole new world of opportunities to America as we enter the last decade of this century and move towards the 21st century. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I want a country where people who work hard and play by the rules are rewarded, not punished. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I want a country where people are coming together across the lines of race and region and income. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I know we can do better. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| It won't take miracles and it won't happen overnight, but we can do much, much better if we have the courage to change. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Thank you very much. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| (APPLAUSE) | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| President Bush, your closing statement, sir. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Three weeks from now -- 2 weeks from tomorrow, America goes to the polls and you're going to have to decide who you want to lead this country to economic recovery. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| On jobs -- that's the number one priority, and I believe my program for stimulating investment, encouraging small business, brand-new approach to education, strengthening the American family, and, yes, creating more exports is the way to go. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I don't believe in trickle-down government, I don't believe in larger taxes and larger government spending. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| On foreign affairs, some think it's irrelevant. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I believe it's not. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| We're living in an interconnected world. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| The whole world is having economic difficulties. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| The US is doing better than a lot. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| But we've got to do even better. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And if a crisis comes up, I ask who has the judgment and the experience and, yes, the character to make the right decision? | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And, lastly, the other night on character Governor Clinton said it's not the character of the president but the character of the presidency. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I couldn't disagree more. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Horace Greeley said the only thing that endures is character. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And I think it was Justice Black who talked about great nations, like great men, must keep their word. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And so the question is, who will safeguard this nation, who will safeguard our people and our children? | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I need your support, I ask for your vote. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And may God bless the US of America. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| (APPLAUSE) | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Mr. Perot, your closing statement, sir. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| To the millions of fine decent people who did the unthinkable and took their country back in their own hands and put me on the ballot, let me pledge to you that tonight is just the beginning. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| These next 2 weeks we will be going full steam ahead to make sure that you get a voice and that you get your country back. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| This Thursday night on ABC from 8:30 to 9, Friday night on NBC from 8 to 8:30, and Saturday night on CBS from 8 to 8:30, we'll be down in the trenches under the hood working on fixin' the old car to get it back on the road. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Now, the question is, can we win? | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Absolutely we can win, because it's your country. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Question really is who do you want in the White House. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| It's that simple. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Now, you got to stop letting these people tell you who to vote for, you got to stop letting these folks in the press tell you you're throwing your vote away -- you got to start using your own head. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| (APPLAUSE) Then the question is, can we govern? | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I love that one. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| The "we" is you and me. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| You bet your hat we can govern because we will be in there together and we will figure out what to do, and you won't tolerate gridlock, you won't tolerate endless meandering and wandering around, and you won't tolerate non-performance. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And, believe me, anybody that knows me understands I have a very low tolerance for non-performance also. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Together we can get anything done. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| The president mentioned that you need the right person in a crisis. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Well, folks, we got one, and that one is a financial crisis. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Pretty simply, who's the best-qualified person up here on the stage to create jobs? | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Make your decision and vote on November the 3rd. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I suggest you might consider somebody who's created jobs. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Who's the best person to manage money? | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| I suggest you pick a person who's successfully managed money. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Who's the best person to get results and not talk? | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Look at the record and make your decision. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And, finally, who would you give your pension fund and your savings account to manage? | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| And, last one, who would you ask to be the trustee of your estate and take care of your children if something happened to you? | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Finally, to you students up there -- God bless you, I'm doing this for you: I want you to have the American dream. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| (APPLAUSE) To the American people, I'm doing this because I love you. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| That's it. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Thank you very much. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| (APPLAUSE) | Henry Ross Perot | NaN | 1992 | 19 Oct 1992 |
| Brief, Governor Clinton. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Thank you. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| We have a question right here. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Yes. | AUDIENCE_QUESTION | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| How has the national debt personally affected each of your lives? | AUDIENCE_QUESTION | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And if it hasn't, how can you honestly find a cure for the economic problems of the common people if you have no experience in what's ailing them? | AUDIENCE_QUESTION | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| May I answer that? | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Well, Mr. Perot -- yes, of course. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Who do you want to start with? | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| My question is for each of you, so- | AUDIENCE_QUESTION | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| It caused me to disrupt my private life and my business to get involved in this activity. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| That's how much I care about it. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And believe me, if you knew my family and if you knew the private life I have, you would agree in a minute that that's a whole lot more fun than getting involved in politics. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| But I have lived the American dream. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I came from very modest background. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Nobody's been luckier than I've been, all the way across the spectrum, and the greatest riches of all are my wife and children. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| That's true of any family. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| But I want all the children -- I want these young people up here to be able to start with nothing but an idea like I did and build a business. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| But they've got to have a strong basic economy and if you're in debt, it's like having a ball and chain around you. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I just figure, as lucky as I've been, I owe it to them and I owe it to the future generations and on a very personal basis, I owe it to my children and grandchildren. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Thank you, Mr. Perot. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Mr. President. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Well, I think the national debt affects everybody. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| You personally. | AUDIENCE_QUESTION | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Obviously it has a lot to do with interest rates -- | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| She's saying, "you personally" | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| You, on a personal basis -- how has it affected you? | AUDIENCE_QUESTION | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Has it affected you personally? | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I'm sure it has. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I love my grandchildren -- | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| How? | AUDIENCE_QUESTION | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I want to think that they're going to be able to afford an education. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I think that that's an important part of being a parent. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| If the question -- maybe I -- get it wrong. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Are you suggesting that if somebody has means that the national debt doesn't affect them? | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| What I'm saying is -- | AUDIENCE_QUESTION | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I'm not sure I get -- help me with the question and I'll try to answer it. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Well, I've had friends that have been laid off from jobs. | AUDIENCE_QUESTION | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Yeah. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I know people who cannot afford to pay the mortgage on their homes, their car payment. | AUDIENCE_QUESTION | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I have personal problems with the national debt. | AUDIENCE_QUESTION | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| But how has it affected you and if you have no experience in it, how can you help us, if you don't know what we're feeling? | AUDIENCE_QUESTION | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I think she means more the recession -- the economic problems today the country faces rather than the deficit. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Well, listen, you ought to be in the White House for a day and hear what I hear and see what I see and read the mail I read and touch the people that I touch from time to time. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I was in the Lomax AME Church. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| It's a black church just outside of Washington, DC. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And I read in the bulletin about teenage pregnancies, about the difficulties that families are having to make ends meet. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I talk to parents. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I mean, you've got to care. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Everybody cares if people aren't doing well. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| But I don't think it's fair to say, you haven't had cancer. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Therefore, you don't know what's it like. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I don't think it's fair to say, you know, whatever it is, that if you haven't been hit by it personally. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| But everybody's affected by the debt because of the tremendous interest that goes into paying on that debt everything's more expensive. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Everything comes out of your pocket and my pocket. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| So it's that. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| But I think in terms of the recession, of course you feel it when you're president of the US. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And that's why I'm trying to do something about it by stimulating the export, vesting more, better education systems. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Thank you. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I'm glad you clarified it. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Governor Clinton. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Tell me how it's affected you again. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Um -- | AUDIENCE_QUESTION | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| You know people who've lost their jobs and lost their homes? | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Well, yeah, uh-huh. | AUDIENCE_QUESTION | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Well, I've been governor of a small state for 12 years. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I'll tell you how it's affected me. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Every year Congress and the president sign laws that make us do more things and gives us less money to do it with. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I see people in my state, middle class people -- their taxes have gone up in Washington and their services have gone down while the wealthy have gotten tax cuts. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I have seen what's happened in this last 4 years when -- in my state, when people lose their jobs there's a good chance I'll know them by their names. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| When a factory closes, I know the people who ran it. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| When the businesses go bankrupt, I know them. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And I've been out here for 13 months meeting in meetings just like this ever since October, with people like you all over America, people that have lost their jobs, lost their livelihood, lost their health insurance. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| What I want you to understand is the national debt is not the only cause of that. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| It is because America has not invested in its people. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| It is because we have not grown. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| It is because we've had 12 years of trickle down economics. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| We've gone from first to twelfth in the world in wages. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| We've had 4 years where we've produced no private sector jobs. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Most people are working harder for less money than they were making ten years ago. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| It is because we are in the grip of a failed economic theory. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And this decision you're about to make better be about what kind of economic theory you want, not just people saying I'm going to go fix it but what are we going to do? | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I think we have to do is invest in American jobs, American education, control American health care costs and bring the American people together again. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Thank you. | AUDIENCE_QUESTION | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Thank you, Governor Clinton. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| We are a little more than halfway through this program and I'm glad we're getting the diversity of questions that we are, and I don't want to forget these folks on the wings over here so let's go over here. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Do you have a question? | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Yes, I do. | AUDIENCE_QUESTION | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| My name is Ben Smith. | AUDIENCE_QUESTION | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I work in the financial field, counseling retirees, and I'm personally concerned about three major areas. | AUDIENCE_QUESTION | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| One is the Social Security Administration or trust fund is projected to be insolvent by the year 2036. | AUDIENCE_QUESTION | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And we funded the trust fund with IOUs in the form of Treasury bonds. | AUDIENCE_QUESTION | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| The Pension Guarantee Fund, which backs up our private retirement plans for retirees, is projected to be bankrupt by the year 2026, not to mention the cutbacks by private companies. | AUDIENCE_QUESTION | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And Medicare is projected to be bankrupt maybe as soon as 1997. | AUDIENCE_QUESTION | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And I would like from each of you a specific response as to what you intend to do for retirees relative to these issues, not generalities but specifics because I think they're very disturbing issues. | AUDIENCE_QUESTION | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| President Bush, may we start with you? | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Well, the Social Security -- you're an expert and I could, I'm sure, learn from you the details of the Pension Guarantee Fund and the Social Security Fund. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| The Social Security system was fixed about 5 years, and I think it's projected out to be sound beyond that. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| So at least we have time to work with it. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| But on all of these things, a sound economy is the only way to get it going. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Growth in the economy is gonna add to the overall prosperity and wealth. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I can't give you a specific answer on Pension Guarantee Fund. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| All I know is that we have firm government credit to guarantee the pensions. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And that is very important. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| But it's -- the full faith and credit of the US, in spite of our difficulties, is still pretty good. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| It's still the most respected credit. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| So I would simply say, as these dates get close, you're going to have to reorganize and refix as we did with the Social Security Fund. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And I think that's the only answer. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| But the more immediate answer is to do what this lady was suggesting we do, and that is to get this deficit down and get on without adding to the woes, and then restructure. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| One thing I've called for that has been stymied, and I'll keep on working for it, is a whole financial reform legislation. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| It is absolutely essential in terms of bringing our banking system and credit system into the new age instead of having it living back in the dark ages. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And it's a big fight. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And I don't want to give my friend Ross another shot at me here but I am fighting with the Congress to get this through. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And you can't just go up and say I'm going to fix it. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| You've got some pretty strong-willed guys up there that argue with you. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| But that's what the election's about. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I agree with the governor. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| That's what the election's about. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And sound fiscal policy is the best answer, I think, to all the three problems you mentioned. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Thank you. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Mr. Perot. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| On the broad issue here, when you're trying to solve a problem, you get the best plans. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| You have a raging debate about those plans. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Then out of that debate, with leadership, comes consensus. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Then, if the plans are huge and complex like health care, I would urge you to implement pilot programs. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Like the old carpenter says measure twice, cut once. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Let's make sure this thing's as good as we all think it is at the end of the meeting. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Then finally, our government passes laws and freezes the plan in concrete. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Anybody that's ever built a successful business will tell you you optimize, optimize, optimize after you've put something into effect. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| The reason Medicare and Medicaid are a mess is we froze them. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Everybody knows how to fix them. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| There are people all over the federal government, if they could just touch it with a screwdriver, could fix it. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Now, back over here. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| See, we've got a $4 trillion debt and only in America would you have $2.8 trillion of it or 70% of it financed 5 years or less. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Now, that's another thing for you to think about when you go home tonight. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| You don't finance long-term debt with short-term money. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Why did our government do it? | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| To get the interest rates down. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| A 1% increase in interest rates in that $2.8 trillion is $28 billion a year. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Now, when you look at what Germany pays for money and what we don't pay for money, you realize there's quite a spread, right, and you realize this is a temporary thing and there's going to be another sucking sound that runs our deficit through the roof. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| You know, and everybody's ducking it so I'm gonna say it, that we are not letting that surplus stay in the bank. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| We are not investing that surplus like a pension fund. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| We are spending that surplus to make the deficit look smaller to you than it really is. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Now, that -- put you in jail in corporate America if you kept books that way but in government it's just kind of the way things are. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| That's because it comes at you, not from you. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Now then, that money needs to be -- they don't even pay interest on it. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| They just write a note for the interest. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Mr. Perot, can you wrap it up? | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Do you want to fix the problem or sound-bite it? | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I understand the importance of time but see, here's how we get to this mess we're in. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| But we've got to be fair. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| This is just 1 of 1000. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Now then, to nail it, there's one way out -- a growing, expanding job base. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| A growing, expanding job base to generate the funds and the tax revenues to pay off the mess and rebuild America. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| We've got to double-hit. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| If we're $4 trillion down, we should have everything perfect, but we don't. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| We've got to pay it off and build money to renew it- -spend money to renew it, and that's going to take a growing, expanding job base. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| That is priority one in this country. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Put everybody that's breathing to work. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And I'd love to be out of workers and have to import them, like some of our international competitors. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Mr. Perot, I'm sorry. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I'm going to -- | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Sorry. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And I don't want to sound-bite you but we are trying to be fair -- | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Okay. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| -- to everyone. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Absolutely. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I apologize. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| All right. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Governor Clinton. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I think I remember the question. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| (Laughter.) | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Let me say first of all, I want to answer your specific question but first of all, we all agree that there should be a growing economy. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| What you have to decide is who's got the best economic plan. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And we all have ideas out there, and Mr. Bush has a record. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| So I don't want you to read my lips and I sure don't want you to read his. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I do hope you will read our plans. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Now, specifically, one, on Medicare, it is not true that everyone knows how to fix it. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| There are different ideas -- the Bush plan, the Perot plan, the Clinton -- we have different ideas. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I am convinced, having studied health care for a year hard and talking to hundreds and hundreds of people all across America, that you cannot control the cost of Medicare until you control the cost of private health care and public health care, with managed competition, ceiling on cost, and radical reorganization of the insurance markets. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| You've got to do that; we got to get those costs down. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Number 2, with regard to Social Security, that program -- a lot of you may not know this -- it produces a $70 billion surplus a year. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Social Security is in surplus $70 billion. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Six increases in the payroll tax -- that means people with incomes of $51,000 a year or less pay a disproportionally high share of the federal tax burden, which is why I want some middle-class tax relief. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| What do we have to do? | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| By the time the century turns, we have got to have our deficit under control, we have to work out of so that surplus is building up so when the baby boomers like me retire, we're okay. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Number 3, on the pension funds, I don't know as much about it, but I will say this. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| What I would do is to bring in the pension experts of the country, take a look at it, and strengthen the pension requirements further, because it's not just enough to have the guarantee. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| We had a guarantee on the S&Ls, right? | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| We had a guarantee -- and what happened? | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| You picked up a $500-billion bill because of the dumb way the federal government deregulated it. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| So I think we are going to have to change and strengthen the pension requirements on private retirement plans. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Thank you. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I think we have a question here on international affairs, hopefully. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| We've come to a position where we're in the new world order, and I'd like to know what the candidates feel our position is in this new world order, and what our responsibilities are as a superpower? | AUDIENCE_QUESTION | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Mr. President. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Well, we have come to that position. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Since I became president, 43, 44 countries have gone democratic, no longer totalitarian, no longer living under dictatorship or communist rule. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| This is exciting. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| New world order to me means freedom and democracy. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I think we will have a continuing responsibility, as the only remaining superpower, to stay involved. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| If we pull back in some isolation and say we don't have to do our share, or more than our share, anymore, I believe you are going to just ask for conflagration that we'll get involved in the future. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| NATO, for example, has kept the peace for many, many years, and I want to see us keep fully staffed in NATO so we'll continue to guarantee the peace in Europe. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| But the exciting thing is, the fear of nuclear war is down. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And you hear all the bad stuff that's happened on my watch; I hope people will recognize that this is something pretty good for mankind. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I hope they'll think it's good that democracy and freedom is on the move. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And we're going to stay engaged, as long as I'm president, working to improve things. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| You know, it's so easy now to say, hey, cut out foreign aid, we got a problem at home. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I think the US has to still have the Statue of Liberty as a symbol, caring for others. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Right this very minute we're sending supplies in to help these little starving kids in Somalia. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| It's the US that's taken the lead in humanitarian aid into Bosnia. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| We're doing this all around the world. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Yes, we got problems at home. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And I think I got a good plan to help fix those problems at home. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| But because of our leadership, because we didn't listen to the freeze -- the nuclear-freeze group, do you remember -- freeze it, back in the late 70s -- freeze, don't touch it; we're going to lock it in now or else we'll have war. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| President Reagan said no, peace through strength. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| It worked. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| The Soviet Union is no more, and now we're working to help them become totally democratic through the Freedom Support Act that I led on, a great Democratic ambassador, Bob Strauss, over there, Jim Baker, all of us got this thing passed -- through cooperation, Ross -- it worked with cooperation, and you're for that, I'm sure, helping Russia become democratic. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| So the new world order to me means freedom and democracy, keep engaged, do not pull back into isolation. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And we are the US, and we have a responsibility to lead and to guarantee the security. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| If it hadn't been for us, Saddam Hussein would be sitting on top of three-fifths of the oil supply of the world and he'd have nuclear weapons. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And only the US could do this. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Excuse me, Carole. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Thank you. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Mr. Perot. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Well, it's cost-effective to help Russia succeed in its revolution; it's pennies on the dollar compared to going back to the Cold War. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Russia is still very unstable; they could go back to square one, and worse. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| All the nuclear weapons are not dismantled. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I am particularly concerned about the intercontinental weapons, the ones that can hit us. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| We've got agreements, but they are still there. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| With all this instability and breaking into republics, and all the Middle Eastern countries going over there and shopping for weapons, we've got our work cut out for us. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| So we need to stay right on top of that and constructively help them move toward democracy and capitalism. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| We have to have money to do that. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| We have to have our people at work. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| See, for 45 years we were preoccupied with the Red Army. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I suggest now that our number one preoccupation is red ink and our country and we've got to put our people back to work so that we can afford to do these things we want to do in Russia. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| We cannot be the policeman for the world any longer. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| We spent $300 billion a year defending the world. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Germany and Japan spend around $30 billion a piece. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| If I can get you to defend me and I can spend all my money building industry that's a home run for me. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Coming out of World War II it made sense. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Now, the other superpowers need to do their part. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I'll close on this point. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| You can't be a superpower unless you're an economic superpower. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| If we're not an economic superpower, we're a used to be and we will no longer be a force for good throughout the world. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And if nothing else gets you excited about rebuilding our industrial base maybe that will because job one is to put our people back to work. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Governor Clinton, the president mentioned Saddam Hussein. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Your vice president and you have had some words about the president and Saddam Hussein. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Would you care to comment? | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I'd rather answer her question first and then I'll be glad to. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Because the question you ask is important. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| The end of the Cold War brings an incredible opportunity for change. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Winds of freedom blowing around the world, Russia demilitarizing. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And it also requires us to maintain some continuity -- some bipartisan American commitment to certain principles. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And I would just say there are three things that I would like to say -- number one -- we do have to maintain the world's strongest defense. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| We may differ about what the elements of that are. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I think that defense needs to be -- with fewer people in permanent armed services but with greater mobility on the land, in the air and on the sea, with a real dedication to continuing development of high technology weaponry and well trained people. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I think we're going to have to work to stop the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Got to keep going until all those nuclear weapons in Russia are gone and the other republics. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Number 2, if you don't rebuild the economic strength of this country at home, we won't be a superpower. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| We can't have any more instances like what happened when Mr. Bush went to Japan and the Japanese prime minister said he felt sympathy for our country. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| We have to be the strongest economic power in the world. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| That's what got me into this race, so we could rebuild the American economy. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And number three, we need to be a force for freedom and democracy and we need to use our unique position to support freedom, whether it's in Haiti or in China or in any other place, wherever the seeds of freedom are sprouting. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| We can't impose it, but we need to nourish it and that's the kind of thing that I would do as president -- follow those three commitments into the future. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Okay. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| We have a question up there. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Yes. | AUDIENCE_QUESTION | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| We've talked a lot tonight about creating jobs. | AUDIENCE_QUESTION | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| But we have an awful lot of high school graduates who don't know how to read a ruler, who cannot fill out an application for a job. | AUDIENCE_QUESTION | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| How can we create high paying jobs with the education system we have and what would you do to change it? | AUDIENCE_QUESTION | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Who would like to begin -- the education president? | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Go ahead, sir. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Yeah, go ahead. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I'd be delighted to, because you can't do it the old way. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| You can't do it with the school bureaucracy controlling everything and that's why we have a new program that I hope people have heard about. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| It's being worked now in 1700 communities -- bypassed Congress on this one, Ross -- 1700 communities across the country. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| It's called America 2000. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And it literally says to the communities, re-invent the schools, not just the bricks and mortar but the curriculum and everything else. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Think anew. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| We have a concept called the New American School Corporation where we're doing exactly that. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And so I believe that we've got to get the power in the hands of the teachers, not the teachers' union. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| What's happening up there? | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| (Laughter) And so our America 2000 program also says this. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| It says let's give parents the choice of a public, private or public school -- public, private or religious school. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And it works- -it works in Milwaukee. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Democratic woman up there -- taking the lead in this. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| The mayor up there, on the program. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And the schools that are not chosen are improved -- competition does that. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| So we've got to innovate through school choice. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| We've got to innovate through this America 2000 program. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| But she is absolutely right. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| The programs that we've been trying where you control everything and mandate it from Washington don't work. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| The governors -- and I believe Governor Clinton was in on this -- but maybe -- I don't want to invoke him here. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| But they come to me and they say, please get the Congress to stop passing so many mandates telling us how to control things. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| We know better how to do it in California or Texas or wherever it is. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| So this is what our program is all about. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And I believe you're right on to something, that if we don't change the education we're not going to be able to compete. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Federal funding for education is up substantially -- Pell grants are up. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| But it isn't going to get the job done if we don't change K through 12. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Governor Clinton. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| First of all, let me say that I've spent more of my time and life on this in the last 12 years than any other issue. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Seventy percent of my state's money goes to the public schools, and I was really honored when Time magazine said that our schools have shown more improvement than any other state in the country except one other -- they named 2 states showing real strides forward in the 80s. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| So I care a lot about this, and I've spent countless hours in schools. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| But let me start with what you said. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I agree with some of what Mr. Bush said, but it's nowhere near enough. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| We live in a world where what you earn depends on what you can learn, where the average 18- year-old will change jobs 8 times in a lifetime and where none of us can promise any of you that what you now do for a living is absolutely safe from now on. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Nobody running can promise that, there's too much change in the world. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| So what should we do? | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Let me reel some things off real quick, because you said you wanted specifics. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Number one, under my program we would provide matching funds to states to teach everybody with a job to read in the next 5 years and give everybody with a job the chance to get a high school diploma, in big places on the job. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Number 2, we would provide 2-year apprenticeship programs to high school graduates who don't go to college. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And community colleges are on the job. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Number three, we'd open the doors to college education to high school graduates without regard to income. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| They could borrow the money and pay it back as a percentage of their income or with a couple of years of service to our nation here at home. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Number 4, we would fully fund the Head Start program to get little kids off to a good start. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And, 5, I would have an aggressive program of school reform, more choices -- I favor public schools or these new charter schools -- we can talk about that if you want. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I don't think we should spend tax money on private schools. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| But I favor public school choice, and I favor radical decentralization in giving more power to better-trained principals and teachers with parent councils to control their schools. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Those things would revolutionize American education and take us to the top economically. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Thank you, Governor Clinton. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| What are they going to cost? | AUDIENCE_QUESTION | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| The question is, what is it going to cost? | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| What is it going to cost? | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| In 6 years -- I budget all this in my budget, and in 6 years the college program would cost 8 billion dollars over and above what -- the present student loan program costs 4; you pay 3 billion dollars for busted loans, because we don't have an automatic recovery system, and a billion dollars in bank fees. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| So the net cost would be 8 billion 6 years from now in a trillion-plus budget -- not very much. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| The other stuff -- all the other stuff I mentioned -- costs much less than that. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| The Head Start program full funding would cost about 5 billion more. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And it's all covered in my budget from -- the plans that I've laid out -- from raising taxes on families with incomes above $200,000 and asking foreign corporations to pay the same tax that American corporations do on the same income, from $140 billion in budget cuts, including what I think are very prudent cuts in the defense budget. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| It's all covered in the plan. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Thank you. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Mr. Perot, you on education, please. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Yes, I've got scars to show for being around education reform. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And the first word you need to say in every city and state, and just draw a line in the sand, is public schools exist for the benefit of the children. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| You're going to see a lot of people fall over it, because any time you're spending $199 billion dollars a year, somebody's getting it. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And the children get lost in the process. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| So that's step one. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Keep in mind in 1960, when our schools were the envy of the world, we were spending $16 billion on them; now we spend more than any other nation in the world -- 199 billion a year -- and rank at the bottom of the industrialized world in terms of education achievement. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| One more time you've bought a front-row box seat and got a third-rate performance. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| This is a government that is not serving you. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| By and large it should be local -- the more local, the better. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Interesting phenomenon: small towns have good schools, big cities have terrible schools. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| The best people in a small town will serve on the school board; you get into big cities, it's political patronage, stepping stones -- you get the job, give your relatives a janitor's job at $57,000 a year, more than the teachers make, and with luck they clean the cafeteria once a week. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Now, you're paying for that. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Those schools belong to you. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And we put up with that. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Now, as long as we put up with that, that's what you're going to get. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And these folks are just dividing up 199 billion bucks and the children get lost. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| If I could wish for one thing for great public schools, it would be a strong family unit in every home -- nothing will ever replace that. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| You say, well, gee, what are you going to do about that? | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Well, the White House is a bully pulpit, and I think we ought to be pounding on the table every day. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| There's nothing -- the most efficient unit of government the world will ever know is a strong loving family unit. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Next thing. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| You need small schools, not big schools. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| In a little school everybody is somebody; individualism is very important. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| These big factories? | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Everybody told me they were cost-effective. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I did a study on it; they're cost- ineffective. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| 5000 students -- why is a high school that big? | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| One reason. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Sooner or later you get 11 more boys that can run like the devil that weigh 250 pounds and they might win district. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Now, that has nothing to do with learning. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Secondly, across Texas, typically half of the school day was non-academic pursuits -- in one place it was 35%. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| In Texas you could have unlimited absences to go to livestock shows. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Found a boy -- excuse me, but this gives the flavor -- a boy in Houston kept a chicken in the bathtub in downtown Houston and missed 65 days going to livestock shows. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Finally had to come back to school, the chicken lost its feathers. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| That's the only way we got him back. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| (Laughter) Now, that's your tax money being wasted. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Now, neighborhood schools. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| It is terrible to bus tiny little children across town. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And it is particularly terrible to take poor tiny little children and wait until the first grade and bus them across town to Mars, where the children know their numbers, know their letters, have had every advantage. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| At the end of the first day, that little child wants out. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I'll close on this. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| You've got to have world class teachers, world class books. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| If you ever got close to how textbooks were selected, you wouldn't want to go back the second day. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I don't have time to tell you the stories. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| No, you don't. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Finally, if we don't fix this, you're right. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| We can't have the industries of tomorrow unless we have the best educated workforce. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And here you've got, for the disadvantaged children, you've got to have early childhood development. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Cheapest money you'll ever spend. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| First contact should be with the money when she's pregnant. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| That little child needs to be loved and hugged and nurtured and made to feel special, like your children were. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| They learn to think well or poorly of themselves in the first 18 months. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Thank you. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Thank you, Mr. Perot. | AUDIENCE_QUESTION | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And in the first few years they either learn how to learn or don't learn how to learn. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And if they don't, they wind up in prison. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Thank you, Mr. Perot. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And it costs more to keep them in prison than it does to send them to Harvard. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I rest my case. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Thank you. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| President Bush, you wanted to answer. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I just had a word of clarification because of something Governor Clinton said. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| My school choice program, GI Bill for Kids, does not take public money and give it to private schools. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| It does what the GI Bill itself did when I came out of World War II. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| It takes public money and gives it to families or individuals to choose the school they want. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And where it's been done, those schools, like in Rochester, those schools that weren't chosen find that they then compete and do better. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| So I think it's worth a shot. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| We've got a pilot program. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| It ought to be tried. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| School choice -- public, private or religious. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Not to the schools but to -- you know, 46% of the teachers in Chicago, public school teachers, send their kids to private school. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Now, I think we ought to try to help families and see if it will do what I think -- make all schools better. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I just want to mention if I could -- | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Very briefly. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Very briefly. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Including the parents in the preschool education of their kids, even if they're poor and uneducated, can make a huge difference. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| We have a big program in my state that teaches mothers or fathers to teach their kids to get ready for school. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| It's the most successful thing we've ever done. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Just a fact clarification real quickly. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| We do not spend a higher percentage of our income on public education than every other country. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| There are 9 countries that spend more than we do on public education. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| We spend more on education 'cause we spend so much more on colleges. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| But if you look at public education alone and you take into account the fact that we have more racial diversity and more poverty, it makes a big difference. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| There are great public schools where there's public school choice, accountability and brilliant principals. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I'll just mention one -- the Beasley Academic Center in Chicago. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I commend it to anybody. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| It's as good as any private school in the country. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| We have very little time left and it occurs to me that we have talked all this time and there has not been one question about some of the racial tensions and ethnic tensions in America. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Is there anyone in this audience that would like to pose a question to the candidates on this? | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| What I'd like to know, and this is to any of the three of you, is aside from the recent accomplishment of your party, aside from those accomplishments in racial representation, and without citing any of your current appointments or successful elections, when do you estimate your party will both nominate and elect an Afro-American and female ticket to the presidency of the U.S.? | AUDIENCE_QUESTION | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Governor Clinton, why don't you answer that first? | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Well, I don't have any idea but I hope it will happen some time in my lifetime. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I do, too. | AUDIENCE_QUESTION | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I believe that this country is electing more and more African Americans and Latinos and Asian Americans who are representing districts that are themselves not necessarily of a majority of their race. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| The American people are beginning to vote across racial lines, and I hope it will happen more and more. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| More and more women are being elected. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Look at all these women Senate candidates we have here. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And you know, according to my mother and my wife and my daughter, this world would be a lot better place if women were running it most of the time. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I do think there are special experiences and judgments and backgrounds and understandings that women bring to this process, by the way. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| This lady said here, how have you been affected by the economy. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I mean, women know what's it like to be paid an unequal amount for equal work. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| They know what it's like not to have flexible working hours. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| They know what it's like not to have family leave or childcare. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| So I think it would be a good thing for America if it happened. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And I think it will happen in my lifetime. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Okay. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I'm sorry. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| We have just a little bit of time left. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Let's try to get responses from each of them. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| President Bush or Mr. Perot? | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I think if Barbara Bush were running this year she'd be elected. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| But it's too late. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| (Laughter) You don't want us to mention appointees, but when you see the quality of people in our administration, see how Colin Powell performed -- I say administration -- | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| (Inaudible). | AUDIENCE_QUESTION | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| You weren't impressed with the fact that he -- | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Excuse me. | AUDIENCE_QUESTION | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I'm extremely impressed with that. | AUDIENCE_QUESTION | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Yeah, but wouldn't that suggest to the American people, then, here's a quality person, if he decided that he could automatically get the nomination of either party? | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Sure -- I just wanted to know -- yes. | AUDIENCE_QUESTION | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Huh? | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I'm totally impressed with that. | AUDIENCE_QUESTION | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I just wanted to know is, when's your- | AUDIENCE_QUESTION | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Oh, I see. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| When? | AUDIENCE_QUESTION | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| You mean, time? | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Yeah. | AUDIENCE_MEMBER | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I don't know -- starting after 4 years. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| (Laughs) | AUDIENCE_MEMBER | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| No, I think you'll see -- | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Mr. Perot. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I think you'll see more minority candidates and women candidates coming forward. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| We have -- thank you. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| This is supposed to be the year of the women in the Senate. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Let's see how they do. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I hope a lot of -- | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Mr. Perot -- I don't want to cut you off any more but we only have a minute left. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I have a fearless forecast. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| A message just won't do it. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Colin Powell will be on somebody's ticket 4 years from now -- right? | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Right? | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| He wanted that said -- 4 years. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| How about a woman? | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Now, if won't be, General Waller would be -- you say, why do you keep picking military people. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| These are people that I just happen to know and have a high regard for. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I'm sure there are hundreds of others. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| How about Dr. Lou Sullivan? | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Absolutely. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Yeah, a good man. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| What about a woman? | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Oh, oh. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| (Inaudible) totally agree. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| My candidate's back there. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| (Laughs) | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Okay. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I can think of many. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Many? | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Absolutely. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| When? | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| All right. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| How about Sandra Day O'Connor as an example? | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Hm-hm. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Dr. Bernadine Healy -- | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Good. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| National Institutes of Health. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I'll yield the floor. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| All good Republicans. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Name some more. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| (Laughter) | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Thank you. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I want to apologize to our audience because there were 209 people here and there were 209 questions. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| We only got to a fraction of them and I'm sorry to those of you that didn't get to ask your questions but we must move to the conclusion of the program. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| It is time now for the 2 minute closing statements and by prior agreement President Bush will go first. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| May I ask for an exception because I think we owe Carole Simpson -- anybody who can stand in between these three characters here and get the job done -- we owe her a round of applause. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| (Applause) But don't take it out of my time! | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| (Applause) | George H. W. Bush | NaN | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| That's right. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I feel strongly about it because I don't want it to come out of my time. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Give this man more time. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| (Laughs) | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| No, but let me just stay to the American people in 2 and a half weeks we're going to choose who should sit in this Oval Office, who to lead the economic recovery, who to be the leader of the free world, who to get the deficit down. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| three ways to do that. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| One is to raise taxes. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| One is to reduce spending -- controlling that mandatory spending. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Another one is to invest and save and to stimulate growth. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I do not want to raise taxes. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I differ with the 2 here on that. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I'm just not going to do that. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I do believe that we need to control mandatory spending. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I think we need to invest and save more. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I believe that we need to educate better and retrain better. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I believe that we need to export more so I'll keep working for export agreements where we can sell more abroad and I believe that we must strengthen the family. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| We've got to strengthen the family. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Now, let me pose this question to America. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| If in the next 5 minutes a television announcer came on and said, there is a major international crisis -- there is a major threat to the world or in this country a major threat -- my question is, who, if you were appointed to name 1 of the 3 of us, who would you choose? | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Who has the perseverance, the character, the integrity, the maturity, to get the job done? | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I hope I'm that person. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Thank you very, very much. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Thank you, Mr. President. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And now a closing statement from Mr. Perot. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| If the American people want to do it and not talk about it, then they ought to -- you know, I'm one person they ought to consider. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| If they just want to keep slow dancing and talk about it and not do it, I'm not your man. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I am results oriented. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I am action oriented. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I've dealt my businesses. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Getting things done in three months that my competitors took 18 months to do. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Everybody says you can't do that with Congress. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Sure, you can do that with Congress. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Congress -- they're all good people. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| They're all patriots but you've got to link arms and work with them. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Sure, you'll have arguments. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Sure, you'll have fights. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| We have them all day every day. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| But we get the job done. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Now, I have to come back in my clothes to one thing because I am passionate about education. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I was talking about early childhood education for disadvantaged little children. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And let me tell you one specific pilot program where children who don't have a chance go to this program when they're 3. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Now we're going back to when the mother's pregnant and they'll start right after they're born. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Starting when they're 3 and going to this school until they're 9 and then going into the public school in the 4th grade. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Ninety percent are on the honor role. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Now that will change America. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Those children will all go to college. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| They will live the American dream. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And I beg the American people, any time they think about reforming education to take this piece of society that doesn't have a chance and take these little pieces of clay that can be shaped and molded and give them the same love and nurture and affection and support you give your children and teach them that they're unique and that they're precious and that there's only one person in the world like them and you will see this nation bloom. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And we will have so many people who are qualified for the top job that it will be terrific. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Now, finally, if you can't pay the bills you're dead in the water. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And we have got to put our nation back to work. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Now, if you don't want to really do that I'm not your man. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I'd go crazy sitting up there slow dancing that one. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| In other words, unless we're going to do it, then pick somebody who likes to talk about it. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Now, just remember when you think about me -- I didn't create this mess. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I've been paying taxes just like you and Lord knows, I've paid my share -- over a billion in taxes. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And for a guy that started out with everything he owned in the trunk of his car -- | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Mr. Perot, I'm sorry -- | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| -- that ain't bad. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| -- once again. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| But it's in your hands. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I wish you well. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I'll see you tomorrow night -- (Laughter) on NBC -- 10:30 to 11:00 Eastern Time. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| (Laughter) | Henry Ross Perot | NaN | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And finally, last but not least -- Governor Clinton. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Thank you, Carole, and thank you, ladies and gentlemen. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Since I suggested this format I hope it's been good for all of you. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I really tried to be faithful to your request that we answer the questions specifically and pointedly. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I thought I owed that to you and I respect you for being here and for the impact you've had on making this a more positive experience. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| These problems are not easy. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| They're not going to be solved overnight. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| But I want you to think about just 2 or 3 things. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| First of all, the people of my state have let me be their governor for 12 years because I made commitments to 2 things -- more jobs and better schools. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Our schools are now better. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Our children get off to a better start from pre-school programs and smaller classes in the early grades, and we have one of the most aggressive adult education programs in the country. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| We talked about that. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| This year my state ranks first in the country in job growth, 4th in manufacturing in job growth, 4th in income growth, 4th in the decline of poverty. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I'm proud of that. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| It happened because I could work with people -- Republicans and Democrats. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| That's why we've had 24 retired generals and admirals, hundreds of business people, many of them Republican, support this campaign. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| You have to decide whether you want to change or not. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| We do not need 4 more years of an economic theory that doesn't work. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| We've had 12 years of trickle down economics. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| It's time to put the American people first, to invest and grow this economy. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I'm the only person here who's ever balanced a government budget and I've presented 12 of them and cut spending repeatedly. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| But you cannot just get there by balancing the budget. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| We've got to grow the economy by putting people first -- real people like you. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I got into this race because I did not want my child to grow up to be part of the first generation of Americans to do worse than her parents. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| We're better than that. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| We can do better than that. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I want to make America as great as it can be and I ask for your help in doing it. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Thank you very much. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Good evening and welcome to this second of three presidential debates between the major candidates for president of the US. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| The candidates are the Republican nominee, President George Bush, the independent Ross Perot and Governor Bill Clinton, the Democratic nominee. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| My name is Carole Simpson, and I will be the moderator for tonight's 90-minute debate, which is coming to you from the campus of the University of Richmond in Richmond, Virginia. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Now, tonight's program is unlike any other presidential debate in history. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| We're making history now and it's pretty exciting. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| An independent polling firm has selected an audience of 209 uncommitted voters from this area. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| The candidates will be asked questions by these voters on a topic of their choosing -- anything they want to ask about. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| My job as moderator is to, you know, take care of the questioning, ask questions myself if I think there needs to be continuity and balance, and sometimes I might ask the candidates to respond to what another candidate may have said. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Now, the format has been agreed to by representatives of both the Republican and Democratic campaigns, and there is no subject matter that is restricted. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Anything goes. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| We can ask anything. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| After the debate, the candidates will have an opportunity to make a closing statement. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| So, President Bush, I think you said it earlier -- let's get it on. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Let's go. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And I think the first question is over here. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Yes. | AUDIENCE_QUESTION | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I'd like to direct my question to Mr. Perot. | AUDIENCE_QUESTION | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| What will you do as president to open foreign markets to fair competition from American business and to stop unfair competition here at home from foreign countries so that we can bring jobs back to the US? | AUDIENCE_QUESTION | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| That's right at the top of my agenda. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| We've shipped millions of jobs overseas and we have a strange situation because we have a process in Washington where after you've served for a while you cash in, become a foreign lobbyist, make $30,000 a month, then take a leave, work on presidential campaigns, make sure you've got good contacts and then go back out. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Now, if you just want to get down to brass tacks, first thing you ought to do is get all these folks who've got these 1-way trade agreements that we've negotiated over the years and say fellas, we'll take the same deal we gave you. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And they'll gridlock right at that point because for example, we've got international competitors who simply could not unload their cars off the ships if they had to comply -- you see, if it was a 2-way street, just couldn't do it. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| We have got to stop sending jobs overseas. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| To those of you in the audience who are business people: pretty simple. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| If you're paying $12, $13, $14 an hour for a factory worker, and you can move your factory south of the border, pay $1 an hour for labor, hire a young -- let's assume you've been in business for a long time. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| You've got a mature workforce. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Pay $1 an hour for your labor, have no health care -- that's the most expensive single element in making the car. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Have no environmental controls, no pollution controls and no retirement. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And you don't care about anything but making money. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| There will be a job-sucking sound going south. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| If the people send me to Washington the first thing I'll do is study that 2000-page agreement and make sure it's a 2-way street. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| One last point here. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I decided I was dumb and didn't understand it so I called a "Who's Who" of the folks that have been around it, and I said why won't everybody go south; they said it will be disruptive; I said for how long. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I finally got 'em for 12 to 15 years. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And I said, well, how does it stop being disruptive? | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And that is when their jobs come up from a dollar an hour to $6 an hour, and ours go down to $6 an hour; then it's leveled again, but in the meantime you've wrecked the country with these kind of deals. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| We got to cut it out. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Thank you, Mr. Perot. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I see that the president has stood up, so he must have something to say about this. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Carole, the thing that saved us in this global economic slowdown has been our exports, and what I'm trying to do is increase our exports. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And if indeed all the jobs were going to move south because there are lower wages, there are lower wages now and they haven't done that. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And so I have just negotiated with the president of Mexico the North American Free Trade Agreement -- and the prime minister of Canada, I might add -- and I want to have more of these free trade agreements, because export jobs are increasing far faster than any jobs that may have moved overseas. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| That's a scare tactic, because it's not that many. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| But any one that's here, we want to have more jobs here. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And the way to do that is to increase our exports. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Some believe in protection. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I don't; I believe in free and fair trade, and that's the thing that saved us. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| So I will keep on as president trying to get a successful conclusion to the GATT Round, the big Uruguay Round of trade which will really open up markets for our agriculture particularly. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I want to continue to work after we get this NAFTA agreement ratified this coming year. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I want to get one with Eastern Europe; I want to get one with Chile. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And free and fair trade is the answer, not protection. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And, as I say, we've had tough economic times, and it's exports that have saved us, exports that have built. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Governor Clinton. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I'd like to answer the question, because I've actually been a governor for 12 years, so I've known a lot of people who have lost their jobs because of jobs moving overseas, and I know a lot of people whose plants have been strengthened by increasing exports. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| The trick is to expand our export base and to expand trade on terms that are fair to us. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| It is true that our exports to Mexico, for example, have gone up and our trade deficit has gone down; it's also true that just today a record high trade deficit was announced with Japan. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| So what is the answer? | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Let me just mention three things very quickly. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Number one, make sure that other countries are as open to our markets as our markets are to them, and, if they're not, have measures on the books that don't take forever and a day to implement. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Number two, change the tax code. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| There are more deductions in the tax code for shutting plants down and moving overseas than there are for modernizing plant and equipment here. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Our competitors don't do that. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Emphasize and subsidize modernizing plant and equipment here, not moving plants overseas. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Number three, stop the federal government's program that now gives low-interest loans and job training funds to companies that will actually shut down and move to other countries, but we won't do the same thing for plants that stay here. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| So more trade but on fair terms -- and favor investment in America. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Thank you. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I think we have a question over here. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| This is for Governor Clinton. | AUDIENCE_QUESTION | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| In the real world, that is, outside of Washington, DC, compensation and achievement are based on goals defined and achieved. | AUDIENCE_QUESTION | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| My question is about the deficit. | AUDIENCE_QUESTION | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Would you define in specific dollar goals how much you would reduce the deficit in each of the 4 years of a Clinton administration and then enter into a legally binding contract with the American people, that if you did not achieve those goals that you would not seek a 2nd term? | AUDIENCE_QUESTION | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Answer yes or no and then comment on your answer, please. | AUDIENCE_QUESTION | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| No, and here's why. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And I'll tell you exactly why. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Because the deficit now has been building up for 12 years. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I'll tell you exactly what I think can be done. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I think we can bring it down by 50% in 4 years and grow the economy. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Now, I could get rid of it in 4 years in theory on the books now, but to do it you'd have to raise taxes too much and cut benefits too much to people who need them and it would even make the economy worse. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Mr. Perot will tell you, for example, that the expert he hired to analyze his plan says that it will bring the deficit down in 5 years but it will make unemployment bad for 4 more years. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| So my view is, sir, you have to increase investment, grow the economy and reduce the deficit by controlling health care costs, prudent reductions in defense, cuts in domestic programs and asking the wealthiest Americans and foreign corporations to pay their fair share of taxes and investing and growing this economy. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I ask everybody to look at my economic ideas and 9 Nobel prize winners and over 500 economists and hundreds of business people, including a lot of Republicans said, this is the way you've got to go. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| If you don't grow the economy you can't get it done. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| But I can't foresee all the things that will happen, and I don't think a president should be judged solely on the deficit. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Let me also say, we're having an election today. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| You'll have a shot at me in 4 years and you can vote me right out if you think I've done a lousy job and I would welcome you to do that. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Mr. President. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Well, I'm a little confused here, because I don't see how you can grow the deficit down by raising people's taxes. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| You see, I don't think the American people are taxed too little. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I think they're taxed too much. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I went for one tax increase and when I make a mistake I admit it. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I said that wasn't the right thing to do. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Governor Clinton's program wants to tax more and spend more -- $150 billion in new taxes, spend another $220. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I don't believe that's the way to do it. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Here's some thing that'll help. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Give us a balanced budget amendment. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| He always talks about Arkansas having a balanced budget and they do, but he has a balanced budget amendment. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Have to do it. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I'd like the government to have that. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And I think it would discipline not only the Congress, which needs it, but also the executive branch. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I'd like to have what 43 governors have -- the line item veto, so if the Congress can't cut, and we've got a reckless spending Congress, let the president have a shot at it by wiping out things that are pork barrel or something of that nature. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I've proposed another one. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Some sophisticates think it may be a little gimmicky. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I think it's good. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| It's a check- off. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| It says to you as a taxpayer -- say you're going to pay a tax of 1000 bucks or something. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| You can check 10% of that if you want to, in the 1 box, and that 10%, $100, or if you're paying $10,000, whatever it is, $1000, check it off and make the government, make it lower the deficit by that amount. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And if the Congress won't do it, if they can't get together and negotiate how to do that, then you'd have a sequester across the board. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| You'd exempt Social Security -- I don't want to tax or touch Social Security. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I'm the president that said hey, don't mess with Social Security, and we haven't. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| So I believe that we need to control the growth of mandatory spending, back to this gentleman's question. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| That's the main growing thing in the budget. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| The program that the president -- two-thirds of the budget, I as president never get to look at, never get to touch. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| We've got to control that growth to inflation and population increase, but not raise taxes on the American people now. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I just don't believe that would stimulate any kind of growth at all. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| How about you, Mr. Perot? | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Well, we're $4 trillion in debt. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| We're going into debt an additional $1 billion, little more than $1 billion every working day of the year. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Now, the thing I love about it -- I'm just a businessman. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I was down in Texas taking care of business, tending to my family. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| This situation got so bad that I decided I'd better get into it. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| The American people asked me to get into it. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| But I just find it fascinating that while we sit here tonight we will go into debt an additional $50 million in an hour and a half. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Now, it's not the Republicans' fault, of course, and it's not the Democrats' fault. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And what I'm looking for is who did it? | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Now, they're the 2 folks involved so maybe if you put them together, they did it. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Now, the facts are we have to fix it. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I'm here tonight for these young people up here in the balcony from this college. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| When I was a young man, when I got out of the Navy I had multiple job offers. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Young people with high grades can't get a job. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| People -- the 18- to 24-year-old high school graduates 10 years ago were making more than they are now. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| In other words, we were down to 18% of them were making -- 18- to 24-year- olds were making less than $12,000. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Now that's up to 40%. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And what's happened in the meantime? | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| The dollar's gone through the floor. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Now, whose fault is that? | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Not the Democrats. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Not the Republicans. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Somewhere out there there's an extraterrestrial that's doing this to us, I guess. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And everybody says they take responsibility. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Somebody somewhere has to take responsibility for this. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Put it to you bluntly, American people. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| If you want me to be your president, we're going to face our problems. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| We’ll deal with our problems, we’ll solve our problems. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| We'll down our debt. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| We'll pass on the American dream to our children, and I will not leave our children a situation that they have today. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| When I was a boy it took 2 generations to double the standard of living. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Today it will take 12 generations. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Our children will not see the American dream because of this debt that somebody somewhere dropped on us. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| You're all wonderful speakers, and I know you have lots more to add, but I've talked to this audience, and they have lots of questions on other topics. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Can we move to another topic, please? | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| We have one up here, I think. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Yes, I'd like to address all the candidates with this question. | AUDIENCE_QUESTION | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| The amount of time the candidates have spent in this campaign trashing their opponents' character and their programs is depressingly large. | AUDIENCE_QUESTION | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Why can't your discussions and proposals reflect the genuine complexity and the difficulty of the issues to try to build a consensus around the best aspects of all proposals? | AUDIENCE_QUESTION | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Who wants to take that one? | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Mr. Perot, you have an answer for everything, don't you? | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Go right ahead, sir. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| No, I don't have an answer for everything. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| As you all know, I've been buying 30-minute segments to talk about issues. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And tomorrow night on NBC, from 10:30 to 11 Eastern, we're going to talk about how you pay the debt down, so we're going to come right down to that one. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| We'll be on again Saturday night, 8 to 9 o'clock on ABC. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| So the point is -- | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Like Jerry Brown, the 800 number. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| -- I couldn't agree with you more, couldn't agree with you more. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And I have said again and again and again let's get off mud wrestling, let's get off personalities and let's talk about jobs, health care, crime, the things that concern the American people. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I'm spending my money -- not PAC money, not foreign money, my money -- to take this message to the people. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Thank you, Mr. Perot. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| So that seems directed; he would say it's you gentlemen that have been doing that. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Mr. Clinton, Governor Clinton -- oh, President Bush, how would you like to respond? | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Well, in the first place, I believe that character is a part of being president. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I think you have to look at it. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I think that has to be a part of a candidate for president or being president. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| In terms of programs, I've submitted, what, 4 different budgets to the US Congress in great detail. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| It's so heavy they'd give you a broken back. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And everything in there says what I am for. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Now I've come out with a new agenda for America's renewal, a plan that I believe really will help stimulate the growth of this economy. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| My record on world affairs is pretty well known because I've been president for 4 years, so I feel I've been talking issues. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| You know, nobody likes who shot John, but I think the first negative campaign run in this election was by Governor Clinton, and I'm not going to sit there and be a punching bag; I'm going to stand up and say, hey, listen, here's my side of it. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| But character is an important part of the equation. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| The other night Governor Clinton raised my -- I don't know if you saw the debate the other night. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| You did -- suffered through that? | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Well, he raised the question of my father -- it was a good line, well rehearsed and well delivered. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| But he raised the question of my father and said, well, your father, Prescott Bush, was against McCarthy, you should be ashamed of yourself, McCarthyism. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I remember something my dad told me -- I was 18 years old going to Penn Station to go on into the Navy, and he said write your mother -- which I faithfully did; he said serve your country -- my father was an honor, duty and country man; and he said tell the truth. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And I've tried to do that in public life, all through it. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| That says something about character. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| My argument with Governor Clinton -- you can call it mud wrestling, but I think it's fair to put it in focus is -- I am deeply troubled by someone who demonstrates and organizes demonstration in a foreign land when his country's at war. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Probably a lot of kids here disagree with me. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| But that's what I feel. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| That's what I feel passionately about. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I'm thinking of Ross Perot's running mate sitting in the jail. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| How would he feel about it? | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| But maybe that's generational. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I don't know. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| But the big argument I have with the governor on this is this taking different positions on different issues -- trying to be one thing to one person here that's opposing the NAFTA agreement and then for it -- what we call waffling. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And I do think that you can't turn the White House into the Waffle House. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| You've got to say what you're for and you've got to -- | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Mr. President, I'm getting time cues and with all due respect -- | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Excuse me. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I don't want to -- | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I'm sorry. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I don't want to -- | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Governor Clinton. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I get wound up because I feel strongly -- | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Yes, you do. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| (Laughter) | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Let me say first of all to you that I believe so strongly in the question you asked that I suggested this format tonight. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I started doing these formats a year ago in New Hampshire and I found that we had huge crowds because all I did was let people ask questions and I tried to give very specific answers. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I also had a program starting last year. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I've been disturbed by the tone and the tenor of this campaign. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Thank goodness the networks have a fact check so I don't have to just go blue in the face anymore. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Mr. Bush said once again I was going to have $150 billion tax increase. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| When Mr. Quayle said that all the networks said, that's not true. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| He's got over $100 billion of tax cuts and incentives. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| So I'm not going to take up your time tonight, but let me just say this. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| We'll have a debate in 4 days and we can talk about this character thing again. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| But the Washington Post ran a long editorial today saying they couldn't believe Mr. Bush was making character an issue and they said he was the greatest quote "political chameleon" for changing his positions of all times. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Now, I don't want to get into that -- | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Please don't get into the Washington Post. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Wait a minute. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Let's don't -- you don't have to believe it. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Here's my point. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I'm not interested in his character. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I want to change the character of the presidency. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And I'm interested in what we can trust him to do and what you can trust me to do and what you can trust Mr. Perot to do for the next 4 years. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| So I think you're right and I hope the rest of the night belongs to you. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| May I -- I talked to this audience before you gentlemen came and I asked them about how they felt about the tenor of the campaign. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Would you like to let them know what you thought about that, when I said are you pleased with how the campaign's been going? | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| (Audience: "No.") | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Who wants to say why you don't like the way the campaign is going? | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| We have a gentleman back here. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And forgive the notes here but I'm shy on camera. | AUDIENCE_QUESTION | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| The focus of my work as a domestic mediator is meeting the needs of the children that I work with, by way of their parents, and not the wants of their parents. | AUDIENCE_QUESTION | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And I ask the three of you, how can we, as symbolically the children of the future president, expect the two of you, the three of you to meet our needs, the needs in housing and in crime and you name it, as opposed to the wants of your political spin doctors and your political parties? | AUDIENCE_QUESTION | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| So your question is? | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Can we focus on the issues and not the personalities and the mud? | AUDIENCE_QUESTION | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I think there's a need, if we could take a poll here with the folks from Gallup perhaps, I think there's a real need here to focus at this point on the needs. | AUDIENCE_QUESTION | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| How do you respond? | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| How do you gentlemen respond to -- | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I agree with him. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Let's do it. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| President Bush? | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Let's do it. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Let's talk about programs for children. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Could we cross our hearts? | AUDIENCE_QUESTION | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| It sounds silly here but could we make a commitment? | AUDIENCE_QUESTION | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| You know, we're not under oath at this point but could you make a commitment to the citizens of the US to meet our needs, and we have many, and not yours again? | AUDIENCE_QUESTION | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I repeat that. | AUDIENCE_QUESTION | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| It's a real need, I think, that we all have. | AUDIENCE_QUESTION | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I think it depends how you define it. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I mean, I think in general, let's talk about these issues. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Let's talk about the programs. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| But in the presidency, a lot goes into it. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Caring goes into it. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| That's not particularly specific. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Strength goes into it. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| That's not specific. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Standing up against aggression. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| That's not specific in terms of a program. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| This is what a president has to do. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| So in principle, though, I'll take your point and think we ought to discuss child care or whatever else it is. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And you, too? | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Ross had his hand up. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Yes. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Just no hedges, no ifs, ands and buts. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I'll take the pledge because I know the American people want to talk about issues and not tabloid journalism. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| So I'll take the pledge and will stay on the issues. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Now, just for the record, I don't have any spin doctors. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I don't have any speechwriters. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Probably shows. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I make those charts you see on television. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| But you don't have to wonder if it's me talking. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| See, what you see is what you get and if you don't like it, you got two other choices, right? | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Wait a minute. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I want to say just one thing now, Ross, in fairness. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| The ideas I express are mine. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I've worked on these things for 12 years and I'm the only person up here who hasn't been part of Washington in any way for the last 20 years. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| So I don't want the implication to be that somehow everything we say is just cooked up and put in our head by somebody else. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I worked 12 years very hard as a governor on the real problems of real people. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I'm just as sick as you are by having to wake up and figure out how to defend myself every day. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I never thought I'd ever be involved in anything like this. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| May I finish? | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Yes, you may finish. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Very briefly? | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Yes, very briefly. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And I don't have any foreign money in my campaign. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I don't have any foreign lobbyists on leave in my campaign. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I don't have any PAC money in my campaign. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I've got 5.5 million hard-working people who put me on the ballot, and I belong to them. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And they're interested in what you're interested in. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I take the pledge. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I've already taken the pledge on cutting the deficit in half. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I never got to say that. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| There's a great young group, Lead or Leave, college students, young people, who don't want us to spend their money. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I took the pledge we'd cut it out. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Thank you. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| We have a question here. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Yes. | AUDIENCE_QUESTION | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I would like to get a response from all three gentlemen. | AUDIENCE_QUESTION | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And the question is, what are your plans to improve the physical infrastructure of this nation, which includes the water system, the sewer system, our transportation systems, etcetera. | AUDIENCE_QUESTION | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Thank you. | AUDIENCE_QUESTION | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| The cities. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Who's going to fix the cities and how? | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I'll be glad to take a shot at it. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Please. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I'm not sure that -- and I can understand if you haven't seen this, because there's been a lot of hue and cry. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| We passed this year the most furthest looking transportation bill in the history of this country since Eisenhower started the interstate highways -- $150 billion for improving the infrastructure. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| That happened when I was president. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And so I'm very proud of the way that came about and I think it's a very, very good beginning. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Like Mr. Perot, I am concerned about the deficits and $150 billion is a lot of money, but it's awful hard to say we're going to go out and spend more money when we're trying to get the deficit down. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| But I would cite that as a major accomplishment. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| We hear all the negatives. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| When you're president you expect this. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Everybody's running against the incumbent. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| They can do better. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Everyone knows that. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| But here's something that we can take great pride in because it really does get to what you're talking about. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Our home initiative -- our home ownership initiative -- HOPE -- that passed the Congress is a good start for having people own their own homes instead of living in these deadly tenements. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Our enterprise zones, that we hear a lot of lip service about in Congress, would bring jobs into the inner city. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| There's a good program. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And I need the help of everybody across this country to get it passed in a substantial way by the Congress. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| When we went out to south central in Los Angeles -- some of you may remember the riots there. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I went out there. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I went to a boys' club. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And everyone of them -- the boys' club leaders, the ministers -- all of them were saying pass enterprise zones. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| We go back to Washington and very difficult to get it through the Congress. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| But there's going to be a new Congress. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| No one likes gridlock. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| There's going to be a new Congress because the old one -- I don't want to get this man made at me -- but there was a post office scandal and a bank scandal. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| You're going to have a lot of new members of Congress. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And then you can sit down and say, help me do what we should for the cities. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Help me pass these programs. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Mr. President, aren't you threatening to veto the bill -- the urban aid bill -- that included enterprise zones? | Carole Simpson | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Sure, but the problem is, you get so many things included in a great big bill that you have to look at the overall good. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| That's the problem with our system. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| If you had a line item veto you could knock out the pork. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| You could knock out the tax increases and you could do what the people want, and that's create enterprise zones. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Governor Clinton, you're chomping at the bit. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| That bill pays for these urban enterprise zones by asking the wealthiest Americans to pay a little more. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And that's why he wants to veto it, just like he vetoed an earlier bill this year. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| This is not mud slinging. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| This is fact slinging -- a bill earlier this year. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| This is facts -- that would have given investment tax credits and other incentives to reinvest in our cities, in our country. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| But it asked the wealthiest Americans to pay a little more. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Mr. Perot wants to do the same thing. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I agree with him. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I mean, we agree with that. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| But let me tell you specifically what my plan does. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| My plan would dedicate $20 billion a year in each of the next 4 years for investments in new transportation, communications, environmental clean-ups and new technologies for the 21st century. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And we would target it especially in areas that have been either depressed or which have lost a lot of defense related jobs. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| There are 200,000 people in California, for example, who have lost their defense related jobs. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| They ought to be engaged in making high speed rail. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| They ought to be engaged in breaking ground in other technologies, doing waste recycling, clean water technology and things of that kind. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| We can create millions of jobs in these new technologies- -more than we're going to lose in defense -- if we target it. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| But we're investing a much smaller percentage of our income in the things you just asked about than all of our major competitors, and our wealth growth is going down as a result of it. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| It's making the country poorer, which is why I answered the gentleman the way I did before. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| We have to both bring down the deficit and get our economy going through these kinds of investments in order to get the kind of wealth and jobs and incomes we need in America. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Mr. Perot, what about your plans for the cities? | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| You want to tackle the economy and the deficit first. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| First you've got to have money to pay for these things. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| So you've got to create jobs. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| There are all kinds of ways to create jobs in the inner city. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I'm not a politician, but I think I could go to Washington in a week and get everybody holding hands and get this bill signed because I talk to the Democratic leaders and they want it. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I talk to the Republican leaders and they want it. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| But since they're bred from childhood to fight with one another rather than get results, you know, I would be glad to drop out and spend a little time and see if we couldn't build some bridges. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Now, results is what counts. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| The president can't order Congress around. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Congress can't order the president around. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| That's not bad for a guy that's never been there, right? | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| But you have to work together. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Now, I have talked to the chairmen of the committees that want this. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| They're Democrats. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| The president wants it, but we can't get it because we sit here in gridlock because it's a campaign year. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| We didn't fund a lot of other things this year, like the savings and loan mess. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| That's another story that we're going to pay a big price for right after the election. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| The facts are though -- the facts are -- the American people are hurting. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| These people are hurting in the inner cities. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| We're shipping the quote, "low paying jobs" overseas. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| What are low paying jobs? | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Textiles, shoes, things like that that we say are yesterday's industries. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| They're tomorrow's industries in the inner cities. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Let me say in my case, if I'm out of work, I'll cut grass tomorrow to take care of my family; I'll be happy to make shoes, I'll be happy to make clothing, I'll make sausage. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| You just give me a job. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Put those jobs in the inner cities instead of doing diplomatic deals and shipping them to China where prison labor does the work. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Mr. Perot, everybody thought you won the first debate because you were plain-speaking and you made it sound, oh, so simple. | Carole Simpson | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Well, just do it. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| What makes you think that you're going to be able to get the Democrats and Republicans together any better than these guys? | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| If you ask me if I could fly a fighter plane or be an astronaut, I can't. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I've spent my life creating jobs. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| That's something I know how to do. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And, very simply, in the inner city, they're starved -- you see, small business is the way to jump start the inner city, not -- | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Are you answering my question? | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| You want jobs in the inner city? | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Do you want jobs in the inner city? | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Is that your question? | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| No, I want you to tell me how you're going to be able to get the Republicans and Democrats in Congress to work together better than these two gentlemen. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Oh, I'm sorry. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Well, I've listened to both sides, and if they would talk to one another instead of throwing rocks, I think we could get a lot done. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And, among other things, I would say, okay, over here in this Senate committee to the chairman who is anxious to get this bill passed, the president who is anxious, I'd say rather than just yelling at one another, why don't we find out where we're apart, try to get together, get the bill passed and give the people the benefits and not play party politics right now. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And I think the press would follow that so closely that probably they would get it done. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| That's the way I would do it. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I doubt if they'll give me the chance, but I will drop everything and go work on it. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Okay, I have a question here. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| My question was originally for Governor Clinton, but I think I would welcome a response from all three candidates. | AUDIENCE_QUESTION | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| As you are aware, crime is rampant in our cities. | AUDIENCE_QUESTION | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And in the Richmond area -- and I'm sure it's happened elsewhere -- 12-year-olds are carrying guns to school. | AUDIENCE_QUESTION | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And I'm sure when our Founding Fathers wrote the Constitution they did not mean for the right to bear arms to apply to 12-year-olds. | AUDIENCE_QUESTION | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| So I'm asking: Where do you stand on gun control, and what do you plan to do about it? | AUDIENCE_QUESTION | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Governor Clinton? | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I support the right to keep and bear arms. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I live in a state where over half the adults have hunting or fishing licenses, or both. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| But I believe we have to have some way of checking hand guns before they're sold, to check the criminal history, the mental health history, and the age of people who are buying them. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Therefore I support the Brady bill which would impose a national waiting period unless and until a state did what only Virginia has done now, which is to automate its records. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Once you automate your records, then you don't have to have a waiting period, but at least you can check. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I also think we should have frankly restrictions on assault weapons whose only purpose is to kill. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| We need to give the police a fighting chance in our urban areas where the gangs are building up. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| The third thing I would say -- it doesn't bear directly on gun control, but it's very important -- we need more police on the street. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| There is a crime bill which would put more police on the street, which was killed for this session by a filibuster in the Senate, mostly be Republican senators, and I think it's a shame it didn't pass, I think it should be made the law -- but it had the Brady bill in it, the waiting period. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I also believe that we should offer college scholarships to people who will agree to work them off as police officers, and I think, as we reduce our military forces, we should let people earn military retirement by coming out and working as police officers. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Thirty years ago there were three police officers on the street for every crime; today there are three crimes for every police officer. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| In the communities which have had real success putting police officers near schools where kids carry weapons, to get the weapons out of the schools, are on the same blocks, you've seen crime go down. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| In Houston there's been a 15- percent drop in the crime rate in the last year because of the work the mayor did there in increasing the police force. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| So I know it can work; I've seen it happen. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Thank you. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| President Bush? | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I think you put your finger on a major problem. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I talk about strengthening the American family and it's very hard to strengthen the family if people are scared to walk down to the corner store and, you know, send their kid down to get a loaf of bread. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| It's very hard. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I have been fighting for very strong anti-crime legislation -- habeas corpus reform, so you don't have these endless appeals, so when somebody gets sentenced, hey, this is for real. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I've been fighting for changes in the exclusionary rule so if an honest cop stops somebody and makes a technical mistake, the criminal doesn't go away. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I'll probably get into a fight in this room with some but I happen to think that we need stronger death penalties for those that kill police officers. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Virginia's in the lead in this, as Governor Clinton properly said, on this identification system for firearms. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I am not for national registration of firearms. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Some of the states that have the toughest anti-gun laws have the highest levels of crime. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I am for the right, as the governor says- -I'm a sportsman and I don't think you ought to eliminate all kinds of weapons. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| But I was not for the bill that he was talking about because it was not tough enough on the criminal. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I'm very pleased that the Fraternal Order of Police in Little Rock, Arkansas endorsed me because I think they see I'm trying to strengthen the anti-crime legislation. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| We've got more money going out for local police than any previous administration. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| So we've got to get it under control and there's one last point I'd make. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Drugs. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| We have got to win our national strategy against drugs, the fight against drugs. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And we're making some progress, doing a little better on interdiction. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| We're not doing as well amongst the people that get to be habitual drug-users. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| The good news is, and I think it's true in Richmond, teenage use is down of cocaine, substantially, 60% in the last couple of years. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| So we're making progress but until we get that one done, we're not going to solve the neighborhood crime problem. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Mr. Perot, there are young black males in America dying at unprecedented rates -- | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I didn't get to make a comment on this. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Yes, I'm getting to that. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Oh, you're going to let me. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Excuse me. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| The fact that homicide is the leading cause of death among young black males 15 to 24 years old. | Carole Simpson | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| What are you going to do to get the guns off the street? | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| On any program, and this includes crime, you'll find we have all kinds of great plans lying around that never get enacted into law and implemented. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I don't care what it is -- competitiveness, health care, crime, you name it. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Brady Bill, I agree that it's a timid step in the right direction but it won't fix it. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| So why pass a law that won't fix it? | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Now, what it really boils down to is can you live -- we become so preoccupied with the rights of the criminal that we've forgotten the rights of the innocent. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And in our country we have evolved to a point where we've put millions of innocent people in jail because you go to the poor neighborhoods and they've put bars on their windows and bars on their doors and put themselves in jail to protect the things that they acquired legitimately. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| That's where we are. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| We have got to become more concerned about people who play by the rules and get the balance we require. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| This is going to take first, building a consensus at grassroots America. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Right from the bottom up, the American people have got to say they want it. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And at that point, we can pick from a variety of plans and develop new plans. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And the way you get things done is bury yourselves in the room with one another, put together the best program, take it to the American people, use the electronic town hall, the kind of thing you're doing here tonight, build a consensus and then do it and then go on to the next one. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| But don't just sit here slow dancing for 4 years doing nothing. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Thank you. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Thank you, Mr. Perot. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| We have a question up here. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Please state your position on term limits, and, if you are in favor of them, how will you get them enacted? | AUDIENCE_QUESTION | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Any order? | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I'll be glad to respond. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Thank you. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I strongly support term limits for members of the US Congress. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I believe it would return the government closer to the people, the way that Ross Perot is talking about. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| The president's terms are limited to 2, a total of 8 years. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| What's wrong with limiting the terms of members of Congress to 12? | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Congress has gotten kind of institutionalized. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| For 38 years one party has controlled the House of Representatives, and the result, a sorry little post office that can't do anything right and a bank that has more overdrafts than all the Chase Bank and Citibank put together. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| We've got to do something about it. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And I think you get a certain arrogance, bureaucratic arrogance, if people stay there too long. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And so I favor, strongly favor, term limits. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And how to get them passed? | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Send us some people that will pass the idea. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And I think you will. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I think the American people want it now. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Every place I go I talk about it, and I think they want it done. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Actually, you'd have to have some amendments to the Constitution because of the way the Constitution reads. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Thank you. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Governor Clinton. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I know they're popular, but I'm against them. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I'll tell you why. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I believe, number one, it would pose a real problem for a lot of smaller states in the Congress who have enough trouble now making sure their interests are heard. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Number 2, I think it would increase the influence of unelected staff members in the Congress who have too much influence already. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I want to cut the size of the congressional staffs, but I think you're going to have too much influence there with people who were never elected, who have lots of expertise. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Number 3, if the people really have a mind to change, they can. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| You're going to have 120 to 150 new members of Congress. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Now, let me tell you what I favor instead. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I favor strict controls on how much you can spend running for Congress, strict limits on political action committees, requirements that people running for Congress appear in open public debates like we're doing now. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| If you did that you could take away the incumbents' advantage because challengers like me would have a chance to run against incumbents like him for House races and Senate races, and then the voters could make up their own mind without being subject to an unfair fight. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| So that's how I feel about it, and I think if we had the right kind of campaign reform, we'd get the changes you want. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Mr. Perot, would you like to address term limitations? | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Yes. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Let me do first on a personal level. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| If the American people send me up to do this job, I intend to be there one term. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I do not intend to spend one minute of one day thinking about re-election. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And as a matter of principle -- and my situation is unique, and I understand it -- I would take absolutely no compensation; I go as their servant. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Now, I have set as strong an example as I can, then at that point when we sit down over at Capitol Hill -- tomorrow night I'm going to be talking about government reform -- it's a long subject, you wouldn't let me finish tonight. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| If you want to hear it, you get it tomorrow night -- you'll hear it tomorrow night. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| But we have got to reform government. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| If you put term limits in and don't reform government, you won't get the benefits you thought. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| It takes both. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| So we need to do the reforms and the term limits. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And after we reform it, it won't be a lifetime career opportunity; good people will go serve and then go back to their homes and not become foreign lobbyists and cash in at 30,000 bucks a month and then take time off to run some president's campaign. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| They're all nice people, they're just in a bad system. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I don't think there are any villains, but, boy, is the system rotten. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Thank you very much. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| We have a question over here. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I'd like to ask Governor Clinton, do you attribute the rising costs of health care to the medical profession itself, or do you think the problem lies elsewhere? | AUDIENCE_QUESTION | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And what specific proposals do you have to tackle this problem? | AUDIENCE_QUESTION | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I've had more people talk to me about their health care problems I guess than anything else, all across America -- you know, people who've lost their jobs, lost their businesses, had to give up their jobs because of sick children. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| So let me try to answer you in this way. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Let's start with a premise. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| We spend 30% more of our income than any nation on earth on health care, and yet we insure fewer people. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| We have 35 million people without any insurance at all -- and I see them all the time. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| A hundred thousand Americans a month have lost their health insurance just in the last 4 years. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| So if you analyze where we're out of line with other countries, you come up with the following conclusions. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Number one, we spend at least $60 billion a year on insurance, administrative cost, bureaucracy, and government regulation that wouldn't be spent in any other nation. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| So we have to have, in my judgment, a drastic simplification of the basic health insurance policies of this country, be very comprehensive for everybody. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Employers would cover their employees, government would cover the unemployed. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Number 2, I think you have to take on specifically the insurance companies and require them to make some significant change in the way they rate people in the big community pools. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I think you have to tell the pharmaceutical companies they can't keep raising drug prices at three times the rate of inflation. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I think you have to take on medical fraud. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I think you have to help doctors stop practicing defensive medicine. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I've recommended that our doctors be given a set of national practice guidelines and that if they follow those guidelines that raises the presumption that they didn't do anything wrong. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I think you have to have a system of primary and preventive clinics in our inner cities and our rural areas so people can have access to health care. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| The key is to control the cost and maintain the quality. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| To do that you need a system of managed competition where all of us are covered in big groups and we can choose our doctors and our hospitals, a wide range, but there is an incentive to control costs. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And I think there has to be -- I think Mr. Perot and I agree on this, there has to be a national commission of health care providers and health care consumers that set ceilings to keep health costs in line with inflation, plus population growth. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Now, let me say, some people say we can't do this but Hawaii does it. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| They cover 98% of their people and their insurance premiums are much cheaper than the rest of America, and so does Rochester, New York. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| They now have a plan to cover everybody and their premiums are two-thirds of the rest of the country. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| This is very important. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| It's a big human problem and a devastating economic problem for America, and I'm going to send a plan to do this within the first 100 days of my presidency. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| It's terribly important. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Thank you. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Sorry to cut you short but President Bush, health care reform. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I just have to say something. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I don't want to stampede. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Ross was very articulate across the country. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I don't want anybody to stampede to cut the president's salary off altogether. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Barbara's sitting over here and I -- but what I have proposed, 10% cut, downsize the government, and we can get that done. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| She asked a question, I think, is whether the health care profession was to blame. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| No. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| One thing to blame is these malpractice lawsuits. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| They're breaking the system. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| It costs $20-25 billion a year, and I want to see those outrageous claims capped. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Doctors don't dare to deliver babies sometimes because they're afraid that somebody's going to sue them. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| People don't dare -- medical practitioners, to help somebody along the highway that are hurt because they're afraid that some lawyer's going to come along and get a big lawsuit. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| So you can't blame the practitioners for the health problem. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And my program is this. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Keep the government as far out of it as possible, make insurance available to the poorest of the poor, through vouchers, next range in the income bracket, through tax credits, and get on about the business of pooling insurance. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| A great big company can buy -- Ross has got a good-sized company, been very successful. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| He can buy insurance cheaper than Mom and Pop's store on the corner. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| But if those Mom and Pop stores all get together and pool, they too can bring the cost of insurance down. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| So I want to keep the quality of health care. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| That means keep government out of it. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I want to do -- I don't like this idea of these boards. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| It all sounds to me like you're going to have some government setting price. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I want competition and I want to pool the insurance and take care of it that way and have -- oh, here's the other point. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I think medical care should go with the person. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| If you leave a business, I think your insurance should go with you to some other business. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| You shouldn't be worrying if you get a new job as to whether that's gonna -- and part of our plan is to make it what they call portable -- big word, but that means if you're working for the Jones Company and you go to the Smith Company, your insurance goes with you. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I think it's a good program. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I'm really excited about getting it done, too. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Mr. Perot. | Carole Simpson | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| We have the most expensive health care system in the world. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Twelve percent of our gross national product goes to health care. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Our industrial competitors, who are beating us in competition, spend less and have better health care. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Japan spends a little over 6% of its gross national product. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Germany spends 8%. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| It's fascinating. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| You've bought a front row box seat and you're not happy with your health care and you're saying tonight we've got bad health care but very expensive health care. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Folks, here's why. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Go home and look in the mirror. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| You own this country but you have no voice in it the way it's organized now, and if you want to have a high risk experience, comparable to bungee jumping, go into Congress some time when they're working on this kind of legislation, when the lobbyists are running up and down the halls. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Wear your safety toe shoes when you go. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And as a private citizen, believe me, you are looked on as a major nuisance. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| The facts are you now have a government that comes at you. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| You're supposed to have a government that comes from you. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Now, there are all kinds of good ideas, brilliant ideas, terrific ideas on health care. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| None of them ever get implemented because -- let me give you an example. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| A senator runs every 6 years. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| He's got to raise 20,000 bucks a week to have enough money to run. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Who's he gonna listen to -- us or the folks running up and down the aisles with money, the lobbyists, the PAC money? | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| He listens to them. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Who do they represent? | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Health care industry. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Not us. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Now, you've got to have a government that comes from you again. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| You've got to reassert your ownership in this country and you've got to completely reform our government. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And at that point they'll just be like apples falling out of a tree. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| The programs will be good because the elected officials will be listening to -- I said the other night I was all ears and I would listen to any good idea. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| I think we ought to do plastic surgery on a lot of these guys so that they're all ears, too, and listen to you. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Then you get what you want, and shouldn't you? | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| You paid for it. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Why shouldn't you get what you want, as opposed to what some lobbyist cuts a deal, writes a little piece in the law and he goes through. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| That's the way the game's played now. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| Till you change it you're gonna be unhappy. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| SIMPSON_(continuing): You wanted one brief point in there. | NaN | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| One brief point. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| We have elections so people can make decisions about this. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| The point I want to make to you is, a bipartisan commission reviewed my plan and the Bush plan and there were as many Republicans as Democratic health care experts on it. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| They concluded that my plan would cover everybody and his would leave 27 million behind by the year 2000 and that my plan in the next 12 years would save $2.2 trillion in public and private money to reinvest in this economy and the average family would save $1200 a year under the plan that I offered without any erosion in the quality of health care. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| So I ask you to look at that. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| And you have to vote for somebody with a plan. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| That's what you have elections for. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| If people would say, well, he got elected to do this and then the Congress says, okay, I'm going to do it. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| That's what the election was about. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 15 Oct 1992 |
| All right, moving on now to divisions in our country, the first question goes to Governor Clinton for 2 minutes, and Ann will ask it. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Governor Clinton, can you tell us what your definition of the word "family" is? | COMPTON | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| A family involves at least one parent, whether natural or adoptive or foster, and children. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| A good family is a place where love and discipline and good values are transmuted (sic) from the elders to the children, a place where people turn for refuge, and where they know they're the most important people in the world. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| America has a lot of families that are in trouble today. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| There's been a lot of talk about family values in this campaign. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I know a lot about that. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I was born to a widowed mother who gave me family values, and grandparents. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I've seen the family values of my people in Arkansas. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I've seen the family values of all these people in America who are out there killing themselves working harder for less in a country that's had the worst economic years in 50 years and the first decline in industrial production ever. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| President Bush, one minute. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Well, I would say that one meeting that made a profound impression on me was when the mayors of the big cities, including the mayor of Los Angeles, a Democrat, came to see me, and they unanimously said the decline in urban America stems from the decline in the American family. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| So I do think we need to strengthen family. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| When Barbara holds an AIDS baby, she's showing a certaincompassion for family; when she reads to children, the same thing. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| All right, Mr. Perot, you have one minute. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| If I had to solve all the problems that face this country and I could be granted one wish as we started down the trail to rebuild the job base, the schools and so on and so forth, I would say a strong family unit in every home, where every child is loved, nurtured, and encouraged. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| A little child before they're 18 months learns to think well of himself or herself or poorly. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| They develop a positive or negative self- image. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| At a very early age they learn how to learn. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| If we have children who are not surrounded with love and affection -- you see, I look at my grandchildren and wonder if they'll ever learn to walk because they're always in someone's arms. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| And I think, my gosh, wouldn't it be wonderful if every child had that love and support. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| But they don't. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| New question, two-minute answer, goes to President Bush. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Sandy will ask it. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Mr. President, there's been a lot of talk about Harry Truman in this campaign, so much so that I think tomorrow I'll wake up and see him named as the next commissioner of baseball. | Sander Vanocur | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| No, I don't think that's the right answer. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I don't believe legalizing narcotics is the answer. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I just don't believe that's the answer. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I do believe that there's some fairly good news out there. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| The use of cocaine, for example, by teenagers is dramatically down. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| But we've got to keep fighting on this war against drugs. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We're doing a little better in interdiction. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Many of the countries below that used to say, well, this is the US' problem -- if you'd get the demand down, then we wouldn't have the problem -- are working cooperatively with the DEA and the military. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We're using the military more now in terms of interdiction. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Our funding for recovery is up, recovering the addicts. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Mr. Perot, one minute. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Anytime you think you want to legalize drugs, go to a neonatal unit --if you can get in. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| They're between 100 and 200% capacity up and down the East Coast. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| And the reason is crack babies being born, babies in the hospital 42 days. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Typical cost to you and me is $125,000. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Again and again and again, the mother disappears in 3 days, and the child becomes a ward of the state because he's permanently and genetically damaged. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Governor Clinton, one minute. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Like Mr. Perot, I have held crack babies in my arms. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| But I know more about this, I think, than anybody else up here because I have a brother who's a recovering drug addict. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I'm very proud of him. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Next question is to you, Mr. Perot. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| You have two minutes to answer it and John will ask it. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Mr. Perot, racial division continues to tear apart our great cities, the last episode being this spring in Los Angeles. | MASHEK | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Why is this still happening in America, and what would you do to end it? | MASHEK | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| This is a relevant question here tonight. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| The first thing I'd do is, during political campaigns, I would urge everybody to stop trying to split this country into fragments and appeal to the differences between us and then wonder why the melting pot is all broken to pieces after November the 3rd. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Governor Clinton, one minute. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I grew up in the segregated South, thankfully raised by a grandfather with almost no formal education but with a heart of gold who taught me early that all people were equal in the eyes of God. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Mr. President, one minute. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Well, I think Governor Clinton is committed. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I do think it's fair to note -- he can rebut it -- but Arkansas is one of the few states that doesn't have any civil rights legislation. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Time, Mr. President. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| All right. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Let's go now to another subject, the subject of health. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| The first question for 2 minutes is to President Bush, and John will ask it. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Mr. President, yesterday tens of thousands of people paraded past the White House to demonstrate their concern about the disease AIDS. | MASHEK | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| A celebrated member of your commission, Magic Johnson, quit saying that there was too much inaction. | MASHEK | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Coming from the political process. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We have increased funding for AIDS. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We've doubled it on research and on every other aspect of it. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| My request for this year was $4.9 billion for AIDS -- ten times as much per AIDS victim as per cancer victim. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| One minute, Mr. Perot. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| First, I think Mary Fisher was a great choice. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We're lucky to have her heading the commission. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Secondly, I think one thing that if I were sent to do the job, I would sit down with FDA, look at exactly where we are. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Then I would really focus on let's get these things out. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| If you're going to die, you don't have to go through this ten-year cycle that FDA goes through on new drugs. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| 2nd thing, there are not many times in your life when you get to talk to a whole country. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| But let me just say to all of America: if you hate people, I don't want your vote. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| That's how strongly I feel about it. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Governor Clinton, one minute. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Over 150,000 Americans have died of AIDS. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Well over a million and a quarter Americans are HIV-positive. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We need to put one person in charge of the battle against AIDS to cut across all the agencies that deal with it. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We need to accelerate the drug approval process. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We need to fully fund the act named for that wonderful boy Ryan White to make sure we're doing everything we can on research and treatment. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| New question for Mr. Perot. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| You have 2 minutes to answer, and Ann will ask it. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Mr. Perot, even if you've got what people say are the guts to take on changes in the most popular, the most sacred of the entitlements, Medicare, people say you haven't a prayer of actually getting anything passed in Washington. | COMPTON | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Two ways. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Number one, if I get there, it will be a very unusual and historical event -- | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Governor, one minute. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Ross, that's a great speech, but it's not quite that simple. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| One minute, President Bush. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Well, first place, I'd like to clear up something because every 4 years, the Democrats go around and say, Republicans are going to cut Social Security and Medicare. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| They started it again. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| New question, it is for Governor Clinton, 2 -minute answer. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Sandy will ask it. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Governor Clinton, Ann Compton has brought up Medicare. | Sander Vanocur | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I remember in 1965, when Wilbur Mills of Arkansas, the chairman of Ways and Means, was pushing it through the Congress. | Sander Vanocur | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| The charge against it was it's socialized medicine. | Sander Vanocur | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Mr. Bush made that charge. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Well, he served with him 2 years later, in 1967, where I first met him. | Sander Vanocur | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| The 2nd point, though, is that it is now skyrocketing out of control. | Sander Vanocur | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| People want it. | Sander Vanocur | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We say it's going bonkers. | Sander Vanocur | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I thought the Oregon plan should at least have been allowed to be tried because at least the people in Oregon were trying to do something. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Let me go back to the main point, Sandy. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Mr. Bush is trying to run against Lyndon Johnson and Jimmy Carter and everybody in the world but me in this race. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I have proposed a managed competition plan for health care. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| you cannot control health care costs simply by cutting Medicare. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Look what's happened. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| The federal government has cut Medicare and Medicaid in the last few years, states have cut Medicaid -- we've done it in Arkansas under budget pressures. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| But what happens? | William(Bill) J. Clinton | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| More and more people get on the rolls as poverty increases. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| If you don't control the health care costs of the entire system, you cannot get control of it. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| President Bush, one minute. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Well, I don't have time in 30 seconds, or whatever -- a minute -- to talk about our health care reform plan. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| The Oregon plan made some good sense, but it's easy to dismiss the concerns of the disabled. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| As president I have to be sure that those waivers, which we're approving all over the place, are covered under the law. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Maybe we can work it out. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| But the Americans with Disabilities Act, speaking about sound and sensible civil rights legislation, was the most foremost piece of legislation passed in modern times, and so wedo have something more than a technical problem. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Mr. Perot, one minute. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We got the most expensive health care system in the world; it ranks behind 15 other nations when we come to life expectancy, and 22 other nations when we come to infant mortality. | Henry Ross Perot | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| So we don't have the best. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| And that's exactly what we're going to do. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| That was, in fact, the final question and answer. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| We're now going to move to closing statements. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Each candidate will have up to 2 minutes. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| The order, remember, was determined by drawing, and Mr. Perot, you are first. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Well, it's been a privilege to be able to talk to the American people tonight. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I make no bones about it. | Henry Ross Perot | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I love this country. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I love the principle it's founded on. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I love the people here. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I don't like to see the country's principles violated. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I don't like to see the people in a deteriorating economy in a deteriorating country because our government has lost touch with the people. | Henry Ross Perot | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Governor Clinton, your closing statement. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I'd like to thank the people of St. Louis and Washington University, the Presidential Debate Commission and all those who made this night possible. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| And I'd like to thank those of you who are watching. | William(Bill) J. Clinton | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| President Bush, your opposing statement. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Let me tell you a little what it's like to be president. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| In the Oval Office, you can't predict what kind of crisis is going to come up. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| You have to make tough calls. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| You can't be on one hand this way and one hand another. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| You can't take different positions on these difficult issues. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| And then you need a philosophical -- I'd call it a philosophical underpinning. | George H. W. Bush | Premise | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Mine for foreign affairs is democracy and freedom, and look at the dramatic changes around the world. | George H. W. Bush | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| The Cold War is over. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| The Soviet Union is no more and we're working with a democratic country. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Poland, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, the Baltics are free. | George H. W. Bush | Claim | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| Don't go away yet. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| I just want to thank the three panelists and thank the three candidates for participating -- President Bush, Governor Clinton and Mr. Perot. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |
| They will appear again together on October the 15th and again on October 19th, and next Tuesday there will be a debate among the three candidates for vice president. | Jim Lehrer | O | 1992 | 11 Oct 1992 |