Arguments Table
| Speech | Name | Component | Year | Date |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Good evening from Case Western Reserve University's Veale Center here in Cleveland, Ohio. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| I'm Gwen Ifill of "The NewsHour" and "Washington Week" on PBS, and I welcome you to the first and the only vice presidential debate between Vice President Dick Cheney, the Republican nominee, and Senator John Edwards, the Democratic nominee. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| These debates are sponsored by the Commission on Presidential Debates. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Tonight's will last 90 minutes, following detailed rules of engagement worked out by representatives of the candidates. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| I have agreed to enforce the rules they have devised for themselves to the best of my ability. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| The questions tonight will be divided between foreign and domestic policy, but the specific topics were chosen by me. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| The candidates have not been told what they are. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| For each question, there can be only a two- minute response, a 90-second rebuttal and, at my discretion, a discussion extension of one minute. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| A green light will come on when 30 seconds remain in any given answer, yellow at 15 seconds, red at five seconds, and then flashing red means time's up. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| There's also a back-up buzzer system, if needed. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Candidates may not direct questions to one another. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| There will be two-minute closing statements, but no opening statements. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| There is an audience here in the hall, but they have been instructed to remain silent throughout. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| The order of the first question was determined by the candidates in advance, and the first one goes to Vice President Cheney. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Vice President Cheney, there have been new developments in Iraq, especially having to do with the administration's handling. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Paul Bremer, the former head of the Coalition Provisional Authority, gave a speech in which he said that we have never had enough troops on the ground, or we've never had enough troops on the ground. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Donald Rumsfeld said he has not seen any hard evidence of a link between Al Qaida and Saddam Hussein. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Was this approved -- of a report that you requested that you received a week ago that showed there was no connection between Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and Saddam Hussein? | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Gwen, I want to thank you, and I want to thank the folks here at Case Western Reserve for hosting this tonight. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| It's a very important event, and they've done a superb job of putting it together. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| It's important to look at all of our developments in Iraq within the broader context of the global war on terror. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And, after 9/11, it became clear that we had to do several things to have a successful strategy to win the global war on terror, specifically that we had to go after the terrorists wherever we might find them, that we also had to go after state sponsors of terror, those who might provide sanctuary or safe harbor for terror. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And we also then finally had to stand up democracies in their stead afterwards, because that was the only way to guarantee that these states would not again become safe harbors for terror or for the development of deadly weapons. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Concern about Iraq specifically focused on the fact that Saddam Hussein had been, for years, listed on the state sponsor of terror, that they he had established relationships with Abu Nidal, who operated out of Baghdad; he paid $25,000 to the families of suicide bombers; and he had an established relationship with Al Qaida. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Specifically, look at George Tenet, the CIA director's testimony before the Committee on Foreign Relations two years ago when he talked about a 10-year relationship. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| The effort that we've mounted with respect to Iraq focused specifically on the possibility that this was the most likely nexus between the terrorists and weapons of mass destruction. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| The biggest threat we faced today is the possibility of terrorists smuggling a nuclear weapon or a biological agent into one of our own cities and threatening the lives of hundreds of thousands of Americans. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| What we did in Iraq was exactly the right thing to do. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| If I had it to recommend all over again, I would recommend exactly the same course of action. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| The world is far safer today because Saddam Hussein is in jail, his government is no longer in power. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And we did exactly the right thing. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Senator Edwards, you have 90 seconds to respond. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Thank you. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Thank you, Gwen, for moderating this debate. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Thank you to the folks of Case Western and all the people in Ohio for having us here. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Mr. Vice President, you are still not being straight with the American people. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| I mean, the reality you and George Bush continue to tell people, first, that things are going well in Iraq -- the American people don't need us to explain this to them, they see it on their television every single day. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We lost more troops in September than we lost in August; lost more in August than we lost in July; lost more in July than we lost in June. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| The truth is, our men and women in uniform have been heroic. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Our military has done everything they've been asked to do. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And it's not just me that sees the mess in Iraq. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| There are Republican leaders, like John McCain, like Richard Lugar, like Chuck Hagel, who have said Iraq is a mess and it's getting worse. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And when they were asked why, Richard Lugar said because of the incompetence of the administration. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| What Paul Bremer said yesterday is they didn't have enough troops to secure the country. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| They also didn't have a plan to win the peace. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| They also didn't put the alliances together to make this successful. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We need a fresh start. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We need a president who will speed up the training of the Iraqis, get more staff in for doing that. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We need to speed up the reconstruction so the Iraqis see some tangible benefit. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We need a new president who has the credibility, which John Kerry has, to bring others into this effort. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| You have 30 seconds to respond, Mr. Vice President. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We've made significant progress in Iraq. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We've stood up a new government that's been in power now only 90 days. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| The notion of additional troops is talked about frequently, but the point of success in Iraq will be reached when we have turned governance over to the Iraqi people; they have been able to establish a democratic government. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| They're well on their way to doing that. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| They will have free elections next January for the first time in history. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We also are actively, rapidly training Iraqis to take on the security responsibility. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Those two steps are crucial to success in Iraq. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| They're well in hand, well under way. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And I'm confident that, in fact, we'll get the job done. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| You have 30 seconds, Senator. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Yes. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Mr. Vice President, there is no connection between the attacks of September 11th and Saddam Hussein. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| The 9/11 Commission has said it. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Your own secretary of state has said it. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And you've gone around the country suggesting that there is some connection. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| There is not. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And in fact the CIA is now about to report that the connection between Al Qaida and Saddam Hussein is tenuous at best. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And, in fact, the secretary of defense said yesterday that he knows of no hard evidence of the connection. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We need to be straight with the American people. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Time for a new question but the same topic. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And this time to you, Senator Edwards. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| You and Senator Kerry have said that the war in Iraq is the wrong war at the wrong time. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Does that mean that if you had been president and vice president that Saddam Hussein would still be in power? | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Here's what it means: It means that Saddam Hussein needed to be confronted. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| John Kerry and I have consistently said that. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| That's why we voted for the resolution. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| But it also means it needed to be done the right way. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And doing it the right way meant that we were prepared; that we gave the weapons inspectors time to find out what we now know, that in fact there were no weapons of mass destruction; that we didn't take our eye off the ball, which are Al Qaida, Osama bin Laden, the people who attacked us on September the 11th. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Now, remember, we went into Afghanistan, which, by the way, was the right thing to do. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| That was the right decision. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And our military performed terrifically there. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| But we had Osama bin Laden cornered at Tora Bora. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We had the 10th Mountain Division up in Uzbekistan available. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We had the finest military in the world on the ground. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And what did we do? | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We turned -- this is the man who masterminded the greatest mass murder and terrorist attack in American history. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And what did the administration decide to do? | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| They gave the responsibility of capturing and/or killing Saddam -- I mean Osama bin Laden to Afghan warlords who, just a few weeks before, had been working with Osama bin Laden. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Our point in this is not complicated: We were attacked by Al Qaida and Osama bin Laden. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We went into Afghanistan and very quickly the administration made a decision to divert attention from that and instead began to plan for the invasion of Iraq. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And these connections -- I want the American people to hear this very clearly. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Listen carefully to what the vice president is saying. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Because there is no connection between Saddam Hussein and the attacks of September 11th -- period. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| The 9/11 Commission has said that's true. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Colin Powell has said it's true. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| But the vice president keeps suggesting that there is. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| There is not. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And, in fact, any connection with Al Qaida is tenuous at best. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Mr. Vice President, you have 90 seconds to respond. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| The senator has got his facts wrong. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| I have not suggested there's a connection between Iraq and 9/11, but there's clearly an established Iraqi track record with terror. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And the point is that that's the place where you're most likely to see the terrorists come together with weapons of mass destruction, the deadly technologies that Saddam Hussein had developed and used over the years. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Now, the fact of the matter is, the big difference here, Gwen, is they are not prepared to deal with states that sponsor terror. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| They've got a very limited view about how to use U.S. military forces to defend America. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We heard Senator Kerry say the other night that there ought to be some kind of global test before U.S. troops are deployed preemptively to protect the United States. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| That's part of a track record that goes back to the 1970s when he ran for Congress the first time and said troops should not be deployed without U.N. approval. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Then, in the mid-'80s, he ran on the basis of cutting most of our major defense programs. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| In 1991, he voted against Desert Storm. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| It's a consistent pattern over time of always being on the wrong side of defense issues. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| A little tough talk in the midst of a campaign or as part of a presidential debate cannot obscure a record of 30 years of being on the wrong side of defense issues. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And they give absolutely no indication, based on that record, of being wiling to go forward and aggressively pursue the war on terror with a kind of strategy that will work, that will defeat our enemies and will guarantee that the United States doesn't again get attacked by the likes of Al Qaida. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| You will respond to that topic, but first I want to ask you for two minutes, Vice President Cheney. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Tonight we mentioned Afghanistan. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We believe that Osama bin Laden is hiding perhaps in a cave somewhere along the Afghan-Pakistan border. | Gwen Ifill | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| If you get a second term, what is your plan to capture him and then to neutralize those who have sprung up to replace him? | Gwen Ifill | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Gwen, we've never let up on Osama bin Laden from day one. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We've actively and aggressively pursued him. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We've captured or killed thousands of Al Qaida in various places around the world and especially in Afghanistan. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We'll continue to very aggressively pursue him, and I'm confident eventually we'll get him. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| The key to success in Afghanistan has been, again, to go in and go after the terrorists, which we've done, and also take down the Taliban regime which allowed them to function there, in effect sponsors, if you will, of the Al Qaida organization. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| John Edwards, two and a half years ago, six months after we went into Afghanistan announced that it was chaotic, the situation was deteriorating, the warlords were about to take over. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Here we are, two and a half years later, we're four days away from a democratic election, the first one in history in Afghanistan. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We've got 10 million voters who have registered to vote, nearly half of them women. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| That election will put in place a democratically elected government that will take over next December. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We've made enormous progress in Afghanistan, in exactly the right direction, in spite of what John Edwards said two and a half years ago. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| He just got it wrong. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| The fact is, as we go forward in Afghanistan, we will pursue Osama bin Laden and the terrorists as long as necessary. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We're standing up Afghan security forces so they can take on responsibility for their own security. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We'll keep U.S. forces there -- we have about 16,000 there today -- as long as necessary, to assist the Afghans in terms of dealing with their security situation. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| But they're making significant progress. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We have President Karzai, who is in power. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| They have done wonders writing their own constitution for the first time ever. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Schools are open. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Young girls are going to school. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Women are going to vote. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Women are even eligible to run for office. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| This is major, major progress. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| There will be democracy in Afghanistan, make no doubt about it. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Freedom is the best antidote to terror. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Senator Edwards, you have 90 seconds. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Someone did get it wrong. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| But it wasn't John Kerry and John Edwards. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| They got it wrong. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| When we had Osama bin Laden cornered, they left the job to the Afghan warlords. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| They then diverted their attention from the very people who attacked us, who were at the center of the war on terror, and so Osama bin Laden is still at large. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Now, I want to go back to something the vice president said just a minute ago, because these distortions are continuing. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| He said that -- made mention of this global test. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| What John Kerry said -- and it's just as clear as day to anybody who was listening -- he said: We will find terrorists where they are and kill them before they ever do harm to the American people, first. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We will keep this country safe. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| He defended this country as a young man, he will defend this country as president of the United States. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| He also said very clearly that he will never give any country veto power over the security of the United States of America. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Now, I know the vice president would like to pretend that wasn't said, and the president would too. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| But the reality is it was said. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Here's what's actually happened in Afghanistan, regardless of this rosy scenario that they paint on Afghanistan, just like they do with Iraq. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| What's actually happened is they're now providing 75 percent of the world's opium. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Not only are they providing 75 percent of the world's opium, large-cut parts of the country are under the control of drug lords and warlords. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Big parts of the country are still insecure. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And the reality is the part of Afghanistan, eastern Afghanistan, where Osama bin Laden is, is one of the hardest places to control and the most insecure, Gwen. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Mr. Vice President, 30 seconds. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Twenty years ago we had a similar situation in El Salvador. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We had -- guerrilla insurgency controlled roughly a third of the country, 75,000 people dead, and we held free elections. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| I was there as an observer on behalf of the Congress. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| The human drive for freedom, the determination of these people to vote, was unbelievable. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And the terrorists would come in and shoot up polling places; as soon as they left, the voters would come back and get in line and would not be denied the right to vote. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And today El Salvador is a whale of a lot better because we held free elections. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| The power of that concept is enormous. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And it will apply in Afghanistan, and it will apply as well in Iraq. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| The vice president just said that we should focus on state sponsors of terrorism. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Iran has moved forward with its nuclear weapons program. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| They're more dangerous today than they were four years ago. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| North Korea has moved forward with their nuclear weapons program, gone from one to two nuclear weapons to six to eight nuclear weapons. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| This vice president has been an advocate for over a decade for lifting sanctions against Iran, the largest state sponsor of terrorism on the planet. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| It's a mistake. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We should not only not lift them, we should strengthen those sanctions. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| New question to you, Senator Edwards, but I don't want to let go of the global test question first, because... | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Sure. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| ... | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| I want people to understand exactly what it is, as you said, that Senator Kerry did say. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| He said, "You've got to do" -- you know, he was asked about preemptive action at the last debate -- he said, "You've got to do it in a way that passes the test, that passes the global test where your countrymen, your people understand fully why you're doing what you're doing and can prove to the world that you did it for legitimate reasons." | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| What is a global test if it's not a global veto? | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Well, let me say, first, he said in the same segment -- I don't remember precisely where it was connected with what you just read -- but he said, point blank, "We will never give anyone a veto over the security of the United States of America." | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| What he's saying is we're going to go back to the proud tradition of the United States of America and presidents of the United States of America for the last 50 to 75 years. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| First, we're going to actually tell the American people the truth. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We're going to tell them the truth about what's happening. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We're not going to suggest to them that things are going well in Iraq or anyplace else when, in fact, they're not. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We're going to make sure that the American people know the truth about why we are using force and what the explanation for it is. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And it's not just the American people. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We're also going to make sure that we tell the world the truth. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Because the reality is, for America to lead, for America to do what it's done for 50 years before this president and vice president came into office, it is critical that we be credible. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| It is critical that they believe that when America takes action, they can trust what we're doing, what we say, what we say at the United Nations, what we say in direct conversations with leaders of the world -- of other countries. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| They need to know that the credibility of the United States is always good, because they will not follow us without that. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And unfortunately, we're seeing the consequences of that right now. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| It's one of the reasons that we're having so much difficulty getting others involved in the effort in Iraq. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| You know, we've taken 90 percent of the coalition casualties. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| American taxpayers have borne 90 percent of the costs of the effort in Iraq. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And we see the result of there not being a coalition: The first Gulf war cost America $5 billion. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We're at $200 billion and counting. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| John Kerry will never give up control over the security of the United States of America to any other country. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We will not outsource our responsibility to keep this country safe. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Mr. Vice President, you have 90 seconds to respond. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Well, Gwen, the 90 percent figure is just dead wrong. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| When you include the Iraqi security forces that have suffered casualties, as well as the allies, they've taken almost 50 percent of the casualties in operations in Iraq, which leaves the U.S. with 50 percent, not 90 percent. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| With respect to the cost, it wasn't $200 billion. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| You probably weren't there to vote for that. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| But $120 billion is, in fact, what has been allocated to Iraq. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| The rest of it's for Afghanistan and the global war on terror. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| The allies have stepped forward and agreed to reduce and forgive Iraqi debt to the tune of nearly $80 billion by one estimate. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| That, plus $14 billion they promised in terms of direct aid, puts the overall allied contribution financially at about $95 billion, not to the $120 billion we've got, but, you know, better than 40 percent. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| So your facts are just wrong, Senator. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| You also have a situation where you talk about credibility. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| It's awfully hard to convey a sense of credibility to allies when you voted for the war and then you declared: Wrong war, wrong place, wrong time. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| You voted for the war, and then you voted against supporting the troops when they needed the equipment, the fuel, the spare parts and the ammunition and the body armor. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| You're not credible on Iraq because of the enormous inconsistencies that John Kerry and you have cited time after time after time during the course of the campaign. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Whatever the political pressures of the moment requires, that's where you're at. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| But you've not been consistent, and there's no indication at all that John Kerry has the conviction to successfully carry through on the war on terror. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| May I respond briefly? | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| What the vice president has just said is just a complete distortion. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| The American people saw John Kerry on Thursday night. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| They don't need the vice president or the president to tell them what they saw. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| They saw a man who was strong, who had conviction, who is resolute, who made it very clear that he will do everything that has to be done to find terrorists, to keep the American people safe. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| He laid out his plan for success in Iraq, made it clear that we were committed to success in Iraq. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We have to be, because we have troops on the ground there and because they have created a haven for terrorists. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Mr. Vice President, you have 30 seconds. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Your rhetoric, Senator, would be a lot more credible if there was a record to back it up. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| There isn't. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And you cannot use "talk tough" during the course of a 90-minute debate in a presidential campaign to obscure a 30-year record in the United States Senate and, prior to that by John Kerry, who has consistently come down on the wrong side of all the major defense issues that he's faced as a public official. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Mr. Vice President, a new question for you. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| You have two minutes to respond. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| When the president says that Senator Kerry is emboldening enemies and you say that we could get hit again if voters make the wrong choice in November, are you saying that it would be a dangerous thing to have John Kerry as president? | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| I'm saying specifically that I don't believe he has the qualities we need in a commander in chief because I don't think, based on his record, that he would pursue the kind of aggressive policies that need to be pursued if we're going to defeat these terrorists. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We need to battle them overseas so we don't have to battle them here at home. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| I'm not challenging John Kerry's patriotism. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| I said in my acceptance speech in New York City at the Republican convention that we respected his service in Vietnam, and I got applause for that. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We've never criticized his patriotism. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| What we've questioned is his judgment. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And his judgment's flawed, and the record's there for anybody who wants to look at it. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| In 1984, when he ran for the Senate he opposed, or called for the elimination of a great many major weapons systems that were crucial to winning the Cold War and are important today to our overall forces. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| When Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait and occupied it in 1990 and '91, he stood up on the floor of the Senate and voted against going in to liberate Kuwait and push Saddam Hussein back to Iraq. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| The problem we have is that, if you look at his record, he doesn't display the qualities of somebody who has conviction. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And with respect to this particular operation, we've seen a situation in which, first, they voted to commit the troops, to send them to war, John Edwards and John Kerry, then they came back and when the question was whether or not you provide them with the resources they needed -- body armor, spare parts, ammunition -- they voted against it. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| I couldn't figure out why that happened initially. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And then I looked and figured out that what was happening was Howard Dean was making major progress in the Democratic primaries, running away with the primaries based on an anti-war record. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| So they, in effect, decided they would cast an anti-war vote and they voted against the troops. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Now if they couldn't stand up to the pressures that Howard Dean represented, how can we expect them to stand up to Al Qaida? | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Senator Edwards, you have 90 seconds to respond. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Thank you. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| One thing that's very clear is that a long resume does not equal good judgment. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| I mean, we've seen over and over and over the misjudgments made by this administration. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| I want to go back to what the vice president just said, because it's a continuation of the things he's been doing, unfortunately, on the campaign trail; it's a continuation of what he began his first answer with tonight. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| John Kerry has voted for the biggest military appropriations bill in the country's history. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| John Kerry has voted for the biggest intelligence appropriations in the country's history. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| This vice president, when he was secretary of defense, cut over 80 weapons systems, including the very ones he's criticizing John Kerry for voting against. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| These are weapons systems, a big chunk of which, the vice president himself suggested we get rid of after the Cold War. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| The reality is that John Kerry has consistently supported the very men that he served with in Vietnam and led. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| On the $87 billion, it was clear at the time of that vote that they had no plan to win the peace. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We're seeing the consequences of that everyday on the ground right now. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We stood up and said: For our troops, we must have a plan to win the peace. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We also thought it was wrong to have a $20 billion fund out of which $7.5 billion was going to go to a no-bid contract for Halliburton, the vice president's former company. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| It was wrong then. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| It's wrong now. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Mr. Vice President, you have 30 seconds. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Well, Gwen, I think the record speaks for itself. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| These are two individuals who have been for the war when the headlines were good and against it when their poll ratings were bad. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We have not seen the kind of consistency that a commander in chief has to have in order to be a leader in wartime and in order to be able to see the strategy through to victory. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| If we want to win the war on terror, it seems to me it's pretty clear the choice is George Bush, not John Kerry. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And 30 seconds... | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| John Kerry has been absolutely clear and consistent from the beginning that we must stay focused on the people who attacked us; that Saddam Hussein was a threat that needed to be addressed directly; that the weapons inspectors needed to have time to do their job. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Had they had time to do their job, they would have discovered what we now know, that in fact Saddam Hussein had no weapons, that in fact Saddam Hussein has no connection with 9/11, that in fact Saddam Hussein has little or no connection with Al Qaida. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Senator Edwards, new question to you, and you have two minutes to respond. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Part of what you have said and Senator Kerry has said that you are going to do in order to get us out of the problems in Iraq is to internationalize the effort. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Yet French and German officials have both said they have no intention even if John Kerry is elected of sending any troops into Iraq for any peacekeeping effort. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Does that make your effort or your plan to internationalize this effort seem kind of naive? | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Well, let's start with what we know. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| What we know is that the president and the vice president have not done the work to build the coalition that we need -- dramatically different than the first Gulf War. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We know that they haven't done it, and we know they can't do it. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| They didn't, by the way, just reject the allies going into lead- up to the war. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| They also rejected them in the effort to do the reconstruction in Iraq, and that has consequences. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| What we believe is, as part of our entire plan for Iraq -- and we have a plan for Iraq. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| They have a plan for Iraq too: more of the same. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We have a plan for success. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And that plan includes speeding up the training of the military. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We have less than half of the staff that we need there to complete that training. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Second, make sure that the reconstruction is sped up in a way that the Iraqis see some tangible benefit for what's happening. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And by the way, if we need to, we can take Iraqis out of Iraq to train them. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| It is not secure enough. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| It's so dangerous on the ground that they can't be trained there. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We can take them out of Iraq for purposes of training. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We should do whatever has to be done to train the Iraqis and to speed up that process. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| That works in conjunction with making sure the elections take place on time. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Right now, the United Nations, which is responsible for the elections in January, has about 35 people there. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Now, that's compared with a much smaller country like East Timor, where they had over 200 people on the ground. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| You need more than 35 people to hold an election in Cleveland, much less in Iraq. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And they keep saying the election's on schedule, this is going to happen. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| The reality is we need a new president with credibility with the rest of the world and who has a real plan for success. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Success breeds contribution, breeds joining the coalition. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Not only that, I want to go back to what the vice president said. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| He attacks us about the troops. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| They sent 40,000 American troops into Iraq without the body armor they needed. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| They sent them without the armored vehicles they needed. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| While they were on the ground fighting, they lobbied the Congress to cut their combat pay. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| This is the height of hypocrisy. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Mr. Vice President, you have 90 seconds. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Well, Gwen, it's hard to know where to start; there are so many inaccuracies there. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| The fact of the matter is the troops wouldn't have what they have today if you guys had had your way. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| You talk about internationalizing the effort. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| They don't have a plan. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Basically, it's an echo. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| You made the comment that the Gulf War coalition in '91 was far stronger than this. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| No. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We had 34 countries then; we've got 30 today. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We've got troops beside us. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| It's hard, after John Kerry referred to our allies as a coalition of the coerced and the bribed, to go out and persuade people to send troops and to participate in this process. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| You end up with a situation in which -- talk about demeaning. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| In effect, you demean the sacrifice of our allies when you say it's the wrong war, wrong place, wrong time, and oh, by the way, send troops. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Makes no sense at all. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| It's totally inconsistent. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| There isn't a plan there. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Our most important ally in the war on terror, in Iraq specifically, is Prime Minister Allawi. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| He came recently and addressed a joint session of Congress that I presided over with the speaker of the House. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And John Kerry rushed out immediately after his speech was over with, where he came and he thanked America for our contributions and our sacrifice and pledged to hold those elections in January, went out and demeaned him, criticized him, challenged his credibility. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| That is not the way to win friends and allies. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| You're never going to add to the coalition with that kind of attitude. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Senator Edwards, 30 seconds. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Thank you. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| The vice president suggests that we have the same number of countries involved now that we had in the first Gulf War. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| The first Gulf War cost the American people $5 billion. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And regardless of what the vice president says, we're at $200 billion and counting. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Not only that, 90 percent of the coalition casualties, Mr. Vice President, the coalition casualties, are American casualties. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Ninety percent of the cost of this effort are being borne by American taxpayers. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| It is the direct result of the failures of this administration. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Mr. Vice President? | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Classic example. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| He won't count the sacrifice and the contribution of Iraqi allies. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| It's their country. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| They're in the fight. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| They're increasingly the ones out there putting their necks on the line to take back their country from the terrorists and the old regime elements that are still left. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| They're doing a superb job. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And for you to demean their sacrifices strikes me as... | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Oh, I'm not... | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| ... as beyond... | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| I'm not demeaning... | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| It is indeed. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| You suggested... | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| No, sir, I did not... | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| ... somehow they shouldn't count, because you want to be able to say that the Americans are taking 90 percent of the sacrifice. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| You cannot succeed in this effort if you're not willing to recognize the enormous contribution the Iraqis are increasingly making to their own future. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We'll win when they take on responsibility for governance, which they're doing, and when the take on responsibility for their own security, which they increasingly are doing. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| New question, similar topic, because I want to circle back to a question which I'm not quite certain we got an answer to. | Gwen Ifill | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| But I will direct it to you first, Senator Edwards. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Thanks. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| It's a question of American intelligence. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| If this report that we've read about today is true, and if Vice President Cheney ordered it and asked about this, do you think that, in the future, that your administration or the Bush administration would have sufficient and accurate enough intelligence to be able to make decisions about where to go next? | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Well, let me speak, first of all, to what the vice president just said, and then I'll answer that question. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| This, unfortunately -- what the vice president is telling people is inconsistent with everything they see every single day. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| It's a continuation of, "Well, there's a strong connection between Al Qaida and Saddam Hussein." | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| It's not true. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| It's a continuation of at least insinuating that there's some connection between 9/11 and Saddam Hussein. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| It's not true. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | NaN | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| It's saying to the American people, as the president said last Thursday, and the vice president continues to say tonight, that things are going well in Iraq, contrary to what people who have been there have seen, including Republican leaders, contrary to what everyone in America sees on their television every day -- Americans being kidnapped, people being beheaded, parts of the country under the control of insurgents, even today, under the control of the insurgents. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| The vice president has still not said anything about what Mr. Bremer said, about the failure to have adequate troops, the failure to be able to secure the country in the short term. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| You know, remember "shock and awe"? | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Look at where we are now. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| It is a direct result of the failure to plan, the failure to have others involved in this effort. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| This is not an accident. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Now, let me go back to your question. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| If we want to do the things that need to be done to keep this country safe, we can't be dragged kicking and screaming to it. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| One thing that everybody does agree on is that 9/11 did change things. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| But what's happened is this administration opposed the creation of a 9/11 Commission to find out why it happened and what we needed to do. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| They opposed the creation of a Department of Homeland Security, and then they were for it. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We can't react that way. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We must be more aggressive. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| With John Kerry as president of the United States, we are committed to immediately implementing all of the reforms suggested by the 9/11 Commission, so that we have the information we need to find terrorists and crush them before they hurt us. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Mr. Vice President? | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Gwen, the story that appeared today about this report is one I asked for. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| I ask an awful lot of questions as part of my job as vice president. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| A CIA spokesman was quoted in that story as saying they had not yet reached the bottom line and there is still debate over this question of the relationship between Zarqawi and Saddam Hussein. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| The report also points out that at one point some of Zarqawi's people were arrested. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Saddam personally intervened to have them released, supposedly at the request of Zarqawi But let's look at what we know about Mr. Zarqawi. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We know he was running a terrorist camp, training terrorists in Afghanistan prior to 9/11. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We know that when we went into Afghanistan that he then migrated to Baghdad. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| He set up shop in Baghdad, where he oversaw the poisons facility up at Khurmal (ph), where the terrorists were developing ricin and other deadly substances to use. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We know he's still in Baghdad today. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| He is responsible for most of the major car bombings that have killed or maimed thousands of people. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| He's the one you will see on the evening news beheading hostages. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| He is, without question, a bad guy. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| He is, without question, a terrorist. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| He was, in fact, in Baghdad before the war, and he's in Baghdad now after the war. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| The fact of the matter is that this is exactly the kind of track record we've seen over the years. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We have to deal with Zarqawi by taking him out, and that's exactly what we'll do. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Mr. Vice President, in June of 2000 when you were still CEO of Halliburton, you said that U.S. businesses should be allowed to do business with Iran because, quote, "Unilateral sanctions almost never work." | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| After four years as vice president now, and with Iran having been declared by your administration as part of the "Axis of Evil," do you still believe that we should lift sanctions on Iran? | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| No, I do not. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And, Gwen, at the time, I was talking specifically about this question of unilateral sanctions. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| What happens when we impose unilateral sanctions is, unless there's a collective effort, then other people move in and take advantage of the situation and you don't have any impact, except to penalize American companies. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We've got sanctions on Iran now. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We may well want to go to the U.N. Security Council and ask for even tougher sanctions if they don't live up to their obligations under the initial -- International Atomic Energy Agency Non-Proliferation Treaty. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We dealt with Iran differently than we have Iraq partly because Iran has not yet, as Iraq did, violated 12 years of resolutions by the U.N. Security Council. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We're working with the Brits and the Germans and the French, who've been negotiating with the Iranians. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We recently were actively involved in a meeting with the board of governors in the International Atomic Energy Agency. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And as I say, there will be a follow-up meeting in November to determine whether or not Iran's living up to their commitments and obligations. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And if they aren't, my guess is then the board of governors will recommend sending the whole matter to the U.N. Security Council for the application of the international sanctions, which I think would be exactly the right way to go. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We're addressing North Korea on a similar basis, working with the Chinese, the South Koreans, the Japanese and others to try to bring them around. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| One of the great by-products, for example, of what we did in Iraq and Afghanistan is that five days after we captured Saddam Hussein, Moammar Gadhafi in Libya came forward and announced that he was going to surrender all of his nuclear materials to the United States, which he has done. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| This was one of the biggest sources of proliferation in the world today in terms of the threat that was represented by that. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| The suppliers network that provided that, headed by Mr. A.Q. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Khan, has been shut down. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We've made major progress in dealing here with a major issue with respect to nuclear proliferation. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And we'll continue to press very hard on the North Koreans and the Iranians as well. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Senator Edwards? | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Well, the vice president talks about there being a member, or someone associated with Al Qaida, in Iraq. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| There are 60 countries who have members of Al Qaida in them. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| How many of those countries are we going to invade? | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Not only that, he talks about Iran. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| The reality about Iran is that Iran has moved forward with their nuclear weapons program on their watch. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| They ceded responsibility to dealing with it to the Europeans. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Now, the vice president, as you pointed out, spoke out loudly for lifting the sanctions on Iraq. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| John Kerry and I believe we need to strengthen the sanctions on Iraq, including closing the loophole that allows companies to use a subsidiary, offshore subsidiaries to do business with Iran. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| I mentioned Halliburton a few minute ago in connection with the $87 billion, and you raised it in this question. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| This is relevant, because he was pushing for lifting sanctions when he was CEO of Halliburton. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Here's why we didn't think Halliburton should have a no-bid contract. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| While he was CEO of Halliburton, they paid millions of dollars in fines for providing false information on their company, just like Enron and Ken Lay. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| They did business with Libya and Iran, two sworn enemies of the United States. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| They're now under investigation for having bribed foreign officials during that period of time. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Not only that, they've gotten a $7.5 billion no-bid contract in Iraq, and instead of part of their money being withheld, which is the way it's normally done, because they're under investigation, they've continued to get their money. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Mr. Vice President? | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| I can respond, Gwen, but it's going to take more than 30 seconds. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Well, that's all you've got. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| (LAUGHTER) | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Well, the reason they keep mentioning Halliburton is because they're trying to throw up a smokescreen. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| They know the charges are false. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| They know that if you go, for example, to factcheck.com (sic), an independent Web site sponsored by the University of Pennsylvania, you can get the specific details with respect to Halliburton. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| It's an effort that they've made repeatedly to try to confuse the voters and to raise questions, but there's no substance to the charges. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Thirty seconds. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| These are the facts. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| The facts are the vice president's company that he was CEO of, that did business with sworn enemies of the United States, paid millions of dollars in fines for providing false financial information, is under investigation for bribing foreign officials. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| The same company that got a $7.5 billion no-bid contract, the rule is that part of their money is supposed to be withheld when they're under investigation, as they are now, for having overcharged the American taxpayer, but they're getting every dime of their money. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| I'm happy to let voters make their own decision about this. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Senator Edwards, as we wrap up the foreign policy part of this, I do want to talk to you about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Today, a senior member of Islamic Jihad was killed in Gaza. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| There have been suicide bombings, targeted assassinations, mortar attacks, all of this continuing at a time when the United States seems absent in the peace-making process. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| What would your administration do? | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| First of all, do you agree that the United States is absent? | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Maybe you don't. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| But what would your administration do to try to resolve that conflict? | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Well, first of all, I do agree that we've been largely absent, not entirely absent, but largely absent from the peace-making process over the last four years. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And let me just say a couple of preliminary things and then talk about where we are now. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| First, the Israeli people not only have the right to defend themselves, they should defend themselves. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| They have an obligation to defend themselves. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| I mean, if I can, just for a moment, tell you a personal story. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| I was in Jerusalem a couple of years ago, actually three years ago, in August of 2001, staying at the King David Hotel. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We left in the morning, headed to the airport to leave, and later in the day I found out that that same day, not far from where we were staying, the Sbarro Pizzeria was hit by a suicide bomber in Jerusalem. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Fifteen people were killed. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Six children were killed. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| What are the Israeli people supposed to do? | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| How can they continue to watch Israeli children killed by suicide bombers, killed by terrorists? | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| They have not only the right but the obligation to defend themselves. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Now, we know that the prime minister has made a decision, a historic decision, to unilaterally withdraw from Gaza. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| It's important for America to participate in helping with that process. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Now, if Gaza's being used as a platform for attacking the Israeli people, that has to be stopped. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And Israel has a right to defend itself. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| They don't have a partner for peace right now. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| They certainly don't have a partner in Arafat, and they need a legitimate partner for peace. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And I might add, it is very important for America to crack down on the Saudis who have not had a public prosecution for financing terrorism since 9/11. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And it's important for America to confront the situation in Iran, because Iran is an enormous threat to Israel and to the Israeli people. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Mr. Vice President, 90 seconds. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Gwen, I want to go back to the last comment, and then I'll come back to Israel-Palestine. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| The reason they keep trying to attack Halliburton is because they want to obscure their own record. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And Senator, frankly, you have a record in the Senate that's not very distinguished. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| You've missed 33 out of 36 meetings in the Judiciary Committee, almost 70 percent of the meetings of the Intelligence Committee. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| You've missed a lot of key votes: on tax policy, on energy, on Medicare reform. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Your hometown newspaper has taken to calling you "Senator Gone." | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| You've got one of the worst attendance records in the United States Senate. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Now, in my capacity as vice president, I am the president of Senate, the presiding officer. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| I'm up in the Senate most Tuesdays when they're in session. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| The first time I ever met you was when you walked on the stage tonight. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| In respect to Israel and Palestine, Gwen, the suicide bombers, in part, were generated by Saddam Hussein, who paid $25,000 to the families of suicide bombers. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| I personally think one of the reasons that we don't have as many suicide attacks today in Israel as we've had in the past is because Saddam is no longer in business. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We've been strong supporters of Israel. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| The president stepped forward and put in place a policy basically that said we will support the establishment of two states. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| First president ever to say we'll establish and support a Palestinian state nextdoor to Israelis. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| But first, there has to be an interlocutor you can trust and deal with. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And we won't have that, we don't have it now, in a Yasser Arafat. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| There has to be reform of the Palestinian system. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Senator Edwards, it's your turn to use 30 seconds for a complicated response... | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| That was a complete distortion of my record. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| I know that won't come as a shock. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| The vice president, I'm surprised to hear him talk about records. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| When he was one of 435 members of the United States House, he was one of 10 to vote against Head Start, one of four to vote against banning plastic weapons that can pass through metal detectors. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| He voted against the Department of Education. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| He voted against funding for Meals on Wheels for seniors. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| He voted against a holiday for Martin Luther King. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| He voted against a resolution calling for the release of Nelson Mandela in South Africa. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| It's amazing to hear him criticize either my record or John Kerry's. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Thirty seconds. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Oh, I think his record speaks for itself. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And frankly, it's not very distinguished. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| In that case, we'll move on to domestic matters. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And this question, I believe, goes to Senator -- to Vice President Cheney. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| The Census Bureau... | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| I think it goes to Senator Edwards. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| It goes to the Senator. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| I see you. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| I just asked him about Israel, even though we didn't actually talk about it much. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| I concede the point. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| (LAUGHTER) | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| No, I did talk about it, Israel. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| He's the one who didn't talk about it. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Mr. Vice President, the Census Bureau ranked Cleveland as the biggest poor city in the country, 31 percent jobless rate. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| You two gentlemen are pretty well off. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| You did well for yourselves in the private sector. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| What can you tell the people of Cleveland, or people of cities like Cleveland, that your administration will do to better their lives? | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Well, Gwen, there are several things that I think need to be done and are being done. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We've, of course, been through a difficult recession, and then the aftermath of 9/11, where we lost over a million jobs after that attack. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| But we think the key is to address some basic, fundamental issues that the president's already working on. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| I think probably the most successful thing we can do with respect to ending poverty is to get people jobs. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| There's no better antidote to poverty than a good, well-paying job that allows somebody to take care of their own family. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| To do that, we have to make America the best place in the world to do business. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And that means we've got to deal effectively with tax policy. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We've got to reduce the litigation costs that are built into our society. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We've got to provide the adequate medical care and make certain that we can, in fact, create the opportunities that are vital to that process. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| I'd zero in, in particular, on education. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| I think the most important thing we can do is have a first-class public school system. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| I'm a product of public schools. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And the president, his first legislative priority was the No Child Left Behind Act. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| It was the first piece of legislation we introduced. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We got it passed that first summer on a bipartisan basis. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We even had Ted Kennedy on board for the effort. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And it does several things. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| It establishes high standards. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| It, at the same time, sets up a system of testing with respect to our school system, so we can establish accountability to parents and make certain that they understand how well their students are doing. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And they have the opportunity to move students out of poorly performing schools to good schools. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| It strikes me that that is absolutely the heart of what needs to be done from the standpoint of education. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| It's also important, as we go forward in the next term, we want to be able to take what we've done for elementary education and move it into the secondary education. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| It's working. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We've seen reports now of a reduction in the achievement gap between majority students and minority students. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We're making significant progress. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Senator Edwards, you have 90 seconds. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Gwen, your question was about jobs? | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| It was about jobs, and it was about poverty. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| I thought it was about jobs and poverty. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| I hope we get a chance to talk about education, but that's what the vice president talked about. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Here's what's happened: In the time that they have been in office, in the last four years, 1.6 million private sector jobs have been lost, 2.7 million manufacturing jobs have been lost. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And it's had real consequences in places like Cleveland. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Cleveland is a wonderful, distinguished city that's done a lot of great things, but it has the highest poverty rate in the country. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| One out of almost two children in Cleveland are now living in poverty. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| During the time that the vice president and the president have been in office, 4 million more Americans have fallen into poverty. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| During the time that the vice president and the president have been in office, 4 million more Americans have fallen into poverty. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | NaN | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And what the most striking and startling thing is, they are the first presidency in 70 years -- and I'm talking Democrats, Republican, presidents who led us through World War, through the Korean War, the Vietnam War, Cold War -- every one of them created jobs until this president. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We have to do better. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We have a plan. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We're going to get rid of -- by the way, they're for outsourcing jobs. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| I want to make sure people hear that, the fundamental difference with us. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| The administration says over and over that the outsourcing of millions of American jobs is good. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We're against it. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We want to get rid of tax cuts for companies sending jobs overseas. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We want to balance this budget, get back to fiscal responsibility. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And we want to invest in the creative, innovative jobs of the future. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Mr. Vice President? | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Gwen, we've got 111 million American taxpayers that have benefited from our income tax cuts. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We've got 33 million students who've benefited from No Child Left Behind. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We've got 40 million seniors who benefited from the reform of the Medicare system. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| The Democrats promised prescription drug benefits. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| For years they've run on that platform. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| They never got it done. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| The president got it done. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We also dropped 5 million people totally off the federal income tax rolls, so they no longer have to pay any federal income tax at all. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| So the story, I think, is a good one. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And the data he's using is old data. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| It's from 2003. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| It doesn't include any of the gains that we've made in the last years. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We've added 1.7 million jobs to the economy. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Thirty seconds. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| The vice president and president like to talk about their experience on the campaign trail. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Millions of people have lost their jobs. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Millions have fallen into poverty. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Family incomes are down, while the cost of everything is going up. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Medical costs are up the highest they've ever been over the last four years. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We have this mess in Iraq. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Mr. Vice President, I don't think the country can take four more years of this kind of experience. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| This next question goes to you, Senator Edwards. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Senator Kerry said in a recent interview that he absolutely will not raise taxes on anyone under -- who earns under $200,000 a year. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| How can he guarantee that and also cut the deficit in half, as he's promised? | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Because we will do what they've not done. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| You know, if you look at what's happened over the last four years, we have gone from a $5 trillion projected surplus when George Bush took office to a $3 trillion projected deficit. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| They promised they were going to put $2 trillion of the surplus aside from Social Security. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Not done. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Not only that, it's the biggest fiscal turnaround in American history. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And there's no end in sight. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| The Washington Post just reported they have several trillion dollars of additional tax cuts and spending, no suggestion of what they're going to do about it. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| John Kerry and I believe we have a moral responsibility not to leave trillions of debt to our children and our grandchildren. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| So here's what we're going to do, to answer your question. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| To pay for the things that we believe need to be done -- and I hope to get the chance to talk about health care and also about education, because we have plans on both of those subjects -- what we're going to do is roll back tax cuts. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And I want everyone to hear this, because there have been exaggerations made on the campaign trail: Roll back tax cuts for people who make over $200,000 a year; we will do that. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We want to keep the tax cuts that are in place for people who make less than $200,000 a year and give additional tax cuts to those middle-class families, tax cuts for health care, tax cuts to help families pay for their college tuition, tax cuts for child care. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| These families are struggling and hurting, and they need more tax relief, not less tax relief. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| But to help get us back on the path to a balanced budget, we also want to get rid of some of the bureaucratic spending in Washington. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| One of the amazing things that's happened is they've actually layered on more supervisory people, people at the supervisory level, in this government. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We also want to close some corporate loopholes. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Now, I want to be honest with people. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We can't eliminate this deficit. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| People have heard that over and over and over in four years. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We cannot do it. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We're in too deep a hole. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| But we can cut the deficit in half. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And if we move, we can move this country back on a path to fiscal responsibility. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| You have 90 seconds, Mr. Vice President. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Gwen, the Kerry record on taxes is one basically of voting for a large number of tax increases -- 98 times in the United States Senate. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| There's a fundamental philosophical difference here between the president and myself, who believe that we ought to let the American people keep more of what they earn and we ought to empower them to have more control over their own lives -- I think the Kerry-Edwards approach basically is to raise taxes and to give government more control over the lives of individual citizens. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We think that's the wrong way to go. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| There's a fundamental difference of opinion here. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| They talk about the top bracket and going after only those people in the top bracket. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Well, the fact of the matter is a great many of our small businesses pay taxes under the personal income taxes rather than the corporate rate. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And about 900,000 small businesses will be hit if you do, in fact, do what they want to do with the top bracket. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| That's not smart because seven out of 10 new jobs in America are created by small businesses. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| You do not want to tax them. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| It's a bad idea to increase the burden on those folks. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| The senator himself said, during the course of the primaries, that the Kerry plan would drive us deeper into deficit. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Those were the senator's words about his running-mate. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| The fact of the matter is, the president and I will go forward to make the tax cuts permanent. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| That's good policy. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| That's what we ought to do. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| But with fiscal restraint, we'll also drive the deficit down 50 percent in the course of the next five years. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Thirty seconds, Senator Edwards. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We are committed to cutting back anything in our programs that need to be cut back to get us back on a path to fiscal responsibility. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| John Kerry, Mr. Vice President, has voted or co-sponsored over 600 times tax cuts for the American people -- over 600 times. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And there is a philosophical difference between us and them. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We are for more tax cuts for the middle class than they're for, have been for the last four years. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| But we are not for more tax cuts for multimillionaires. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| They are. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And it is a fundamental difference in what we think needs to be done in this country. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| You have 30 seconds, Mr. Vice President. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Yesterday, the president signed an extension of middle- class tax cuts, the 10 percent bracket, the marriage penalty relief and the increase in the child tax credit. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Senators Kerry and Edwards weren't even there to vote for it when it came to final passage. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| The next question goes to you, Mr. Vice President. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| I want to read something you said four years ago at this very setting: "Freedom means freedom for everybody." | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| You said it again recently when you were asked about legalizing same-sex unions. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And you used your family's experience as a context for your remarks. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Can you describe then your administration's support for a constitutional ban on same-sex unions? | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Gwen, you're right, four years ago in this debate, the subject came up. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And I said then and I believe today that freedom does mean freedom for everybody. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| People ought to be free to choose any arrangement they want. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| It's really no one else's business. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| That's a separate question from the issue of whether or not government should sanction or approve or give some sort of authorization, if you will, to these relationships. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Traditionally, that's been an issue for the states. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| States have regulated marriage, if you will. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| That would be my preference. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| In effect, what's happened is that in recent months, especially in Massachusetts, but also in California, but in Massachusetts we had the Massachusetts Supreme Court direct the state of -- the legislature of Massachusetts to modify their constitution to allow gay marriage. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And the fact is that the president felt that it was important to make it clear that that's the wrong way to go, as far as he's concerned. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Now, he sets the policy for this administration, and I support the president. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Senator Edwards, 90 seconds. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Yes. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Let me say first, on an issue that the vice president said in his last answer before we got to this question, talking about tax policy, the country needs to know that under what they have put in place and want to put in place, a millionaire sitting by their swimming pool, collecting their statements to see how much money they're making, make their money from dividends, pays a lower tax rate than the men and women who are receiving paychecks for serving on the ground in Iraq. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Now, they may think that's right. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| John Kerry and I do not. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We don't just value wealth, which they do. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We value work in this country. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And it is a fundamental value difference between them and us. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Now, as to this question, let me say first that I think the vice president and his wife love their daughter. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| I think they love her very much. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And you can't have anything but respect for the fact that they're willing to talk about the fact that they have a gay daughter, the fact that they embrace her. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| It's a wonderful thing. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And there are millions of parents like that who love their children, who want their children to be happy. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And I believe that marriage is between a man and a woman, and so does John Kerry. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| I also believe that there should be partnership benefits for gay and lesbian couples in long-term, committed relationships. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| But we should not use the Constitution to divide this country. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| No state for the last 200 years has ever had to recognize another state's marriage. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| This is using the Constitution as a political tool, and it's wrong. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| New question, but same subject. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| As the vice president mentioned, John Kerry comes from the state of Massachusetts, which has taken as big a step as any state in the union to legalize gay marriage. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Yet both you and Senator Kerry say you oppose it. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Are you trying to have it both ways? | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| No. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| I think we've both said the same thing all along. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We both believe that -- and this goes onto the end of what I just talked about -- we both believe that marriage is between a man and a woman. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| But we also believe that gay and lesbians and gay and lesbian couples, those who have been in long-term relationships, deserve to be treated respectfully, they deserve to have benefits. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| For example, a gay couple now has a very difficult time, one, visiting the other when they're in the hospital, or, for example, if, heaven forbid, one of them were to pass away, they have trouble even arranging the funeral. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| I mean, those are not the kind of things that John Kerry and I believe in. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| I suspect the vice president himself does not believe in that. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| But we don't -- we do believe that marriage should be between a man and a woman. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And I want to go back, if I can, to the question you just asked, which is this constitutional amendment. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| I want to make sure people understand that the president is proposing a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage that is completely unnecessary. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Under the law of this country for the last 200 years, no state has been required to recognize another state's marriage. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Let me just be simple about this. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| My state of North Carolina would not be required to recognize a marriage from Massachusetts, which you just asked about. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| There is absolutely no purpose in the law and in reality for this amendment. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| It's nothing but a political tool. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And it's being used in an effort to divide this country on an issue that we should not be dividing America on. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We ought to be talking about issues like health care and jobs and what's happening in Iraq, not using an issue to divide this country in a way that's solely for political purposes. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| It's wrong. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Mr. Vice President, you have 90 seconds. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Well, Gwen, let me simply thank the senator for the kind words he said about my family and our daughter. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| I appreciate that very much. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| That's it? | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| That's it. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| OK, then we'll move on to the next question. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| This one is for you, Mr. Vice President. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| President Bush has derided John Kerry for putting a trial lawyer on the ticket. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| You yourself have said that lawsuits are partly to blame for higher medical costs. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Are you willing to say that John Edwards, sitting here, has been part of the problem? | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| (LAUGHTER) | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Well, Gwen... | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Mr. Vice President? | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| (LAUGHTER) | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| First of all, I'm not familiar with his cases. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| My concern is specifically with what's happened to our medical care system because of rising malpractice insurance rates, because we failed to adequately reform our medical liability structure. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| I was in New Mexico the other day and met with a group of OB/GYN docs. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And they were deeply concerned because they were fearful that there'd be another increase in malpractice insurance rates as a result of what they believe are frivolous lawsuits and that that would put them out of business. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And one doctor indicated that her rates have gone up so much that she's now to the point where she is screening patients. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| She won't take high-risk patients anymore because of the danger that that will generate a lawsuit, and a lawsuit will put her out of business. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| This has had a devastating impact in a lot of communities. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| My home state of Wyoming, we've lost the top insurer of malpractice insurance in the state. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| The rates for a general practitioner have gone from $40,000 a year to $100,000 a year for an insurance policy. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We think this has a devastating impact on the quality of health care. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| As I say, high risk patients don't get covered anymore. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We've lost one out of eleven OB/GYN practitioners in the country. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We think it can be fixed, needs to be fixed. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Now, specifically, what we need to do is cap non-economic damages, and we also think you need to limit the awards that the trial attorneys take out of all of this. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Over 50 percent of the settlements go to the attorneys and for administrating overhead. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We passed medical liability reform through the House of Representatives. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| It's been blocked in the Senate. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Senator Kerry's voted 10 times against medical liability reform, and I don't believe Senator Edwards supports it, either, not the kind that would be meaningful. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Senator Edwards? | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Yes. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Well let me say, first of all, I'm proud of the work I did on behalf of kids and families against big insurance companies, big drug companies and big HMOs. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We do have too many lawsuits. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And the reality is there's something that we can do about it. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| John Kerry and I have a plan to do something about it. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We want to put more responsibility on the lawyers to require, before a case, malpractice, which the vice president just spoke about, have the case reviewed by independent experts to determine if the case is serious and meritorious before it can be filed; hold the lawyers responsible for that, certify that and hold the lawyer financially responsible if they don't do it; have a three-strikes-and-you're-out rule so that a lawyer who files three of these cases without meeting this requirement loses their right to file these cases. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| That way we keep the cases out of the system that don't belong in the system. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| They talk about frivolous cases. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We believe cases that don't belong in the system should never be in the system. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| But we don't believe that we should take away the right of people like Valerie Lakey, who was the young girl who I represented, five years old, severely injured for life, on a defective swimming pool drain cover. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| It turns out the company knew of 12 other children who had either been killed or severely injured by the same problem. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| They hid it. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| They didn't tell anybody. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| They could have fixed it with a 2-cent screw. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| That's wrong. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| John Kerry and I are always going to stand with the Valerie Lakeys of the world, and not with the insurance companies. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Senator Edwards, new question to you, same topic. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Do you feel personally attacked when Vice President Cheney talks about liability reform and tort reform and the president talks about having a trial lawyer on the ticket? | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Am I personally attacked? | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| I think the truth is that what they're doing is talking about an issue that really doesn't have a great deal to do with what's happening with medical cost in this country, which I think is a very serious issue. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And I would be the first to say that what the vice president described a few minutes ago, problems with malpractice premiums, that's true, it's real. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| It's very real. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| What doctors talk about is very serious. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And they're getting squeezed from both sides. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| I mean, because, they have trouble getting reimbursed, first of all, for the care that they provide, you know, from the government or from health-care companies. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And, on the flip side, their malpractice costs are going up. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| That's very real, which is why we have proposed a plan to keep cases out of the system that don't belong there. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| But it's very important to put this in context. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Because, in context, everything they're proposing, according to the bipartisan Congressional Budget Office, amounts to about half of 1 percent of health-care costs in this country -- half of 1 percent. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We have double-digit inflation in health care costs. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We've seen the largest rise in medical costs in the last four years in the country's history: $3,500 nationally. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And nobody who's watching this debate needs me to explain this to them. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| They know it. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Medicare premiums are up 17 percent on their watch. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Again, largest increase in Medicare premiums in the history of Medicare. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We think we have a plan to keep cases that don't belong in the system out, but we also do what they haven't done. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Five million Americans have lost their health care coverage. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Medical costs are skyrocketing. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We have a serious health care plan to bring down costs for everybody, to cover millions more Americans and to actually stand up to drug companies and insurance companies which this administration has been unwilling to do. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Mr. Vice President? | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Gwen, we think lawsuit abuse is a serious problem in this country. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We think we badly need tort reform. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| I was in Minnesota the other day, where I visited an aircraft manufacturing plant. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| It's a great success story. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| This is a company that started 20 years ago with nothing. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Today they're the second- leading producer of piston-driven aircraft in the country. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| He told me that if it weren't for the increased cost of his liability insurance, in this case product liability, he could hire 200 more people in his factory. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We've built into the system enormous costs as a result of our practice with respect to litigation. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We have to find ways to get a handle on it. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| He mentioned Medicare up 17 percent, somehow that that was something we caused. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| No. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| The 17 percent increase in Medicare premiums was the direct result of a statute adopted in 1997. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| John Kerry voted for it. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| It establishes the formula for Part B of Medicare that says, in effect, it has to cover 25 percent of the cost of the program. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And the reason the money had to go into the trust fund was to make certain that we could cover those eligible for benefits. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| While you were in private practice in law and as a senator, you had the advantage of a special tax loophole, Subchapter S corporation, which you set up so you could avoid paying $600,000 in Medicare taxes that would have gone into the fund. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And it's those kinds of loopholes that necessitate a premium increase under the law that was enacted in 1997, supported by John Kerry. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| You have 30 seconds to respond. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Well, first of all, I have paid all the taxes that I owe. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| When the vice president was CEO of Halliburton, they took advantage of every offshore loophole available. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| They had multiple offshore companies that were avoiding taxes. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Those are the kind of things that ought to be closed. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| They ought to be closed. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| They ought to be closed for anybody. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| They ought to be closed whether they're personal, and they ought to be closed whether they apply to a corporation. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| But the reality is health care costs are going up every day for the American people, and I hope we're going to get a chance to talk more about health care. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Thirty seconds, Mr. Vice President. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We've done a lot to reduce the cost of health care. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| The Medicare drug benefit that we'll be providing to seniors beginning in '06 will provide upwards to $1,300 a year to help them buy prescription drugs. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| The drug savings -- drug discount card that's now available saves an estimated 15 percent to 30 percent off the cost of prescription drugs for senior citizens. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| So we're moving in as many areas as we can to make certain we hold down and reduce the health care costs. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| I will talk to you about health care, Mr. Vice President. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| You have two minutes. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| But in particular, I want to talk to you about AIDS, and not about AIDS in China or Africa, but AIDS right here in this country, where black women between the ages of 25 and 44 are 13 times more likely to die of the disease than their counterparts. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| What should the government's role be in helping to end the growth of this epidemic? | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Well, this is a great tragedy, Gwen, when you think about the enormous cost here in the United States and around the world of the AIDS epidemic -- pandemic, really. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Millions of lives lost, millions more infected and facing a very bleak future. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| In some parts of the world, we've got the entire, sort of, productive generation has been eliminated as a result of AIDS, all except for old folks and kids -- nobody to do the basic work that runs an economy. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| The president has been deeply concerned about it. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| He has moved and proposed and gotten through the Congress authorization for $15 billion to help in the international effort, to be targeted in those places where we need to do everything we can, through a combination of education as well as providing the kinds of medicines that will help people control the infection. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Here in the United States, we've made significant progress. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| I have not heard those numbers with respect to African- American women. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| I was not aware that it was -- that they're in epidemic there, because we have made progress in terms of the overall rate of AIDS infection, and I think primarily through a combination of education and public awareness as well as the development, as a result of research, of drugs that allow people to live longer lives even though they are infected -- obviously we need to do more of that. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Senator Edwards, you have 90 seconds. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Well, first, with respect to what's happening in Africa and Russia and in other places around the world, the vice president spoke about the $15 billion for AIDS. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| John Kerry and I believe that needs to be doubled. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And I might add, on the first year of their commitment, they came up significantly short of what they had promised. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And we probably won't get a chance to talk about Africa. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Let me just say a couple of things. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| The AIDS epidemic in Africa, which is killing millions and millions of people and is a frightening thing not just for the people of Africa but also for the rest of the world, that, combined with the genocide that we're now seeing in Sudan, are two huge moral issues for the United States of America, which John Kerry spoke about eloquently last Thursday night. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Here at home we need to do much more. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And the vice president spoke about doing research, making sure we have the drugs available, making sure that we do everything possible to have prevention. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| But it's a bigger question than that. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| You know, we have 5 million Americans who've lost their health care coverage in the last four years; 45 million Americans without health care coverage. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We have children who don't have health care coverage. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| If kids and adults don't have access to preventative care, if they're not getting the health care that they need day after day after day, the possibility of not only developing AIDS and having a problem -- having a problem -- a life-threatening problem, but the problem of developing other life-threatening diseases is there every day of their lives. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| OK, we'll move on. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| This goes to you, Senator Edwards, and you have two minutes. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Ten men and women have been nominees of their parties since 1976 to be vice president. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Out of those ten, you have the least governmental experience of any of them. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| What qualifies you to be a heartbeat away? | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| The American people want in their president and in their vice president basically three things: They want to know that their president and their vice president will keep them safe. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| They want to know that they have good judgment. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And they want to know that you'll tell them the truth. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| John Kerry and I will tell the American people the truth. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| During the time that I have served on the Intelligence Committee in the Senate, traveling to some of the places we've talked about tonight -- Afghanistan, Pakistan, the Middle East, Turkey -- meeting with the leaders of NATO, I have a very clear idea of what has to be done to keep this country safe. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| The threats we face: terrorism, killing terrorists and stopping them before they can do damage to us, making sure that we stop the spread of nuclear weapons. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| I agree with John Kerry from Thursday night, that the danger of nuclear weapons getting in the hands of terrorists is one of the greatest threats that America faces. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| But the one thing that we know from this administration is -- and I -- first of all, I don't claim to have the long political resume that Vice President Cheney has. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| That's just the truth, and the American people know that and deserve to know it. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| But what we know from this administration is that a long resume does not equal good judgment. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Here are the judgments I would make: My first priority would be to keep this country safe. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| I would find terrorists where they are and stop them and kill them before they do harm to us. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We would stop the spread of nuclear weapons. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And we would also strengthen this military, which means providing the equipment and training that they need. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We want to raise the active-duty forces by 40,000, double the special forces so we can find terrorists where they are, and provide the kind of support for families -- health care, housing -- that they deserve while their loved ones are serving and protecting us. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Mr. Vice President, you have 90 seconds. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| You want me to answer a question about his qualifications? | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| That was the question. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| I see. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Well, I think the important thing in picking a vice president probably varies from president to president. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Different presidents approach it in different ways. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| When George Bush asked me to sign on, it obviously wasn't because he was worried about carrying Wyoming. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We got 70 percent of the vote in Wyoming, although those three electoral votes turned out to be pretty important last time around. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| What he said he wanted me to do was to sign on because of my experience to be a member of the team, to help him govern, and that's exactly the way he's used me. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And I think from the perspective of the nation, it's worked in our relationship, in this administration. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| I think it's worked in part because I made it clear that I don't have any further political aspirations myself. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And I think that's been an advantage. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| I think it allows the president to know that my only agenda is his agenda. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| I'm not worried about what some precinct committeemen in Iowa were thinking of me with respect to the next round of caucuses of 2008. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| It's a very significant responsibility when you consider that at a moment's notice you may have to take over as president of the United States and make all of those decisions. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| It's happened several times in our history. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And I think that probably is the most important consideration in picking a vice president, somebody who could take over. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| You have 30 seconds, if you'd like to respond to that. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| I think the most important thing I've learned from this process is what I now know about John Kerry. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| I knew him before. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| I know him better now. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| He's the one candidate who's led troops in battle. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| He was a prosecutor, putting people behind bars to protect neighborhoods from crime. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| He fought for 100,000 cops on the street, and went with John McCain to Vietnam to find out what happened to our POWs. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And the American people saw for themselves on Thursday night the strength, resolve, and backbone that I, myself, have seen in John Kerry. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| He is ready to be commander in chief. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Mr. Vice President, you have 30 seconds to respond. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Well, I clearly believe that George W. Bush would be a better commander in chief. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| He's already done it for four years. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And he's demonstrated, without question, the conviction, the vision, the determination to win this war against terror. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| He understands it's a global conflict that reaches from the United States all the way around the globe to Jakarta. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And those very special qualities are vital in a commander in chief. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And I think the president has them, and I'm not at all convinced his opponent does. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Mr. Vice President, picking up on that, you both just sang the praises of the tops of your ticket. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Without mentioning them by name at all, explain to us why you are different from your opponent, starting with you, Mr. Vice President. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Why I am different from John Edwards. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Well, in some respects, I think, probably there are more similarities than there are differences in our personal story. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| I don't talk about myself very much, but I've heard Senator Edwards, and as I listen to him, I find some similarities. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| I come from relatively modest circumstances. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| My grandfather never even went to high school. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| I'm the first in my family to graduate from college. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| I carried a ticket in the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers for six years. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| I've been laid off, been hospitalized without health insurance. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| So I have some idea of the problems that people encounter. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| So I think the personal stories are, in some respects, surprisingly similar. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| With respect to how we've spent our careers, I obviously made a choice for public service. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And I've been at it for a good long time now, except for those periods when we lost elections. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And that goes with the turf, as well, too. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| I'm absolutely convinced that the threat we face now, the idea of a terrorist in the middle of one of our cities with a nuclear weapon, is very real and that we have to use extraordinary measures to deal with it. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| I feel very strongly that the significance of 9/11 cannot be underestimated. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| It forces us to think in new ways about strategy, about national security, about how we structure our forces and about how we use U.S. military power. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Some people say we should wait until we are attacked before we use force. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| I would argue we've already been attacked. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We lost more people on 9/11 than we lost at Pearl Harbor. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And I'm a very strong advocate of a very aggressive policy of going after the terrorists and those who support terror. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Senator Edwards, you have 90 seconds. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Mr. Vice President, we were attacked. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| But we weren't attacked by Saddam Hussein. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And one thing that John Kerry and I would agree with you about is that it is... | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| You just used John Kerry's name. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Oh, I'm sorry. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| I broke the rule. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| One thing that we agree about is the need to be offensive in going after terrorists. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| The reality is that the best defense is a good offense, which means leading -- America returning to its proud tradition of the last 75 years, of once again leading strong coalitions so we can get at these terrorist cells where they are, before they can do damage to us and to the American people. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| John Kerry made clear on Thursday night that -- I'm sorry, I broke the rules. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We made clear -- we made clear on Thursday night that we will do that, and we will do it aggressively. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| But there are things that need to be done to keep this country safe that have not yet been done. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| For example, three years after 9/11, we find out that the administration still does not have a unified terrorist watch list. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| It's amazing. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Three years. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| What are we waiting for? | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| You know, we still don't have one list that everyone can work off of to see if terrorists are entering this country. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We're screening our passengers going onto airplanes, but we don't screen the cargo. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| There are so many things that could be done to keep this country safe. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| You have to be strong, and you have to be aggressive. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| But we also have to be smart. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And there are things that have not been done that need to be done to keep the American people safe. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Would you like to respond? | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Thirty seconds. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| No. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| OK, we'll move on. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| This goes to Senator Edwards. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Flip-flopping has become a recurring theme in this campaign, you may have noticed. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Senator Kerry changed his mind about whether to vote to authorize the president to go to war. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| President Bush changed his mind about whether a homeland security department was a good idea or a 9/11 Commission was a good idea. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| What's wrong with a little flip-flop every now and then? | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Well, first of all, let me say that John Kerry has -- I can use his name now? | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Yes. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| OK. John Kerry has been, as have I, been completely consistent about Iraq. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We've made very clear from the beginning -- and not an afterthought; we said it at the time -- that we had to confront Saddam Hussein and that we had to have a coalition and a plan to be successful. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And the vice president didn't say much about it in your earlier question, but Paul Bremer has now made clear that they didn't have enough troops and they didn't have a plan. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And the American people are seeing the results of that every single day, in spite of the proud and courageous service of our men and women in uniform. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Now, flip-flops: They should know something about flip-flops. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| They've seen a lot of it during their administration. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| They were first against the 9/11 Commission; then they were for it. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| They were for a department of homeland security -- I mean, they were against the Department of Homeland Security; then they were for it. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| They said they were going to put $2 trillion of the surplus when they came into office aside to protect Social Security; then they changed their minds. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| They said that they supported the troops; and then while our troops were on the ground in Iraq and Afghanistan, they went to the Congress and lobbied to have their combat pay cut. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| They said that they were going to do something about health care in this country. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And they've done something: They've made it worse. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| They said that they were going to fund their No Child Left Behind; $27 billion short today. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Over and over, this administration has said one thing and done another. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| This president said -- I listened to him the other night at his 2000 debate saying: I'm for a national patients' bill of rights. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| I know something about this. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| John McCain and Senator Kennedy and I wrote it, got it passed in the Senate. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We don't have a patients' bill of rights because of one man today, the president of the United States. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| They've gone back and forth. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Mr. Vice President? | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Well, Gwen, I can think of a lot of words to describe Senator Kerry's position on Iraq; "consistent" is not one of them. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| I think if you look at the record from voting for sending the troops then voting against the resources they needed when they got there, then saying I actually voted for the $87 billion before I voted against it, saying in response to a question knowing everything I know now, yes, I would have cast exactly the same vote and then shortly after that saying wrong war, wrong place, wrong time, consistency doesn't come to mind as I consider that record. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| The question of troops is an interesting and important one. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We have looked to our commanders on the ground in Iraq for guidance on what they think they need. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| If they need more troops, they'll ask us. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| But the key here is not to try to solve the problems in Iraq by putting in more American troops. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| The key is to get the Iraqis to take on the responsibility for their own security. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| That's exactly what we're doing. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| If you put American troops in there in larger number and don't get the Iraqis into the fight, you'll postpone the day when you can in fact bring our boys home. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| It's vital that we deal with any need for additional troops by putting Iraqis into the effort. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Forty-nine percent increase in funding for elementary and secondary education under No Child Left Behind; that's a lot of money even by Massachusetts' standards. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| You have 30 seconds if you choose. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Yes, but they didn't fund the mandates that they put on the schools all over this country. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| That's the reason 800 teachers -- one of the reasons -- 800 teachers have been laid off, right here in Cleveland. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| One-third of our public schools are failing under this administration. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Half of African-Americans are dropping out of high school. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Half of Hispanic-American are dropping out of high school. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| John and I have -- and I don't have the time now -- but we have a clear plan to improve our public schools that starts with getting our best teachers into the schools where we need them the most by creating incentives for them to go there. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Mr. Vice President? | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Gwen, No Child Left Behind, they were for it; now they're against it. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| now they're opposed to it. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We are making significant progress there. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We are closing the achievement gap. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| The results coming in from a number of studies show, without question, that on math and reading, that in fact our minority students, our Hispanic and African-American students are doing better, and that gap between them and the majority population is, in fact, closing. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| So we are doing exactly the right thing. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| They're the ones who have been for the Patriot Act and against it, for No Child Left Behind and then against it. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Mr. Vice President, our final -- I'm sorry, you have 30 seconds, Senator Edwards. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Are you sure -- yes, he started. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Yes, 30 seconds, please, yes. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We are for accountability, and we are for high standards. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| John and I voted for No Child Left Behind because we thought that accountability and standards were the right thing to do. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| But they make -- did you figure out you were wrong? | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| I did figure out I was wrong. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Well, in fairness, if you feel like you need to go to him, we'll -- I'll stop. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Well, I do, because we're actually on the final question. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| I apologize for giving you an extra 15 seconds there. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| I go now to Vice President Cheney. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Whichever one of you is elected in November -- you mentioned those three electoral votes in Wyoming and how critical they've turned out to be. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| But what they're a sign of also is that you're going to inherit a very deeply divided electorate, economically, politically, you name it. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| How will you set out, Mr. Vice President, in a way that you weren't able to in these past four years, to bridge that divide? | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Well, I must say it's one of the disappointments of the last four years, is that we've not been able to do what the president did in Texas, for example, when he was able to reach across the aisle and bring Democrats along on major issues of the day. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We had some success early on, I think, in No Child Left Behind, when we, in fact, had broad, bipartisan support. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We had a lot of support for the Patriot Act, when we passed that on a bipartisan basis. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Now we're seeing objection to that by the other side. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| All I know is to continue to try to work it. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| It's a disappointment, in a sense, that I remember from my earlier service when things worked much differently, when, in fact, some of my best friends in the Congress were people I worked with, like Tom Foley, who was a majority leader and later speaker of the House. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| One of my strongest allies in Congress when I was secretary of defense was Jack Murtha, a Democrat who is chairman of the Defense Appropriations Subcommittee. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We used to be able to do more together on a bipartisan basis than seems possible these days. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| I'm not sure exactly why. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| I think, in part, it may be the change in the majority-minority status in the Senate has been difficult for both sides to adjust to. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And the Senate, of course, has been very evenly divided, 50-50, then 51-49, then 49-51 the other way. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We'll keep working at it. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| I think it's important for us to try. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| I believe that it is essential for us to do everything we can to garner as much support from the other side of the aisle as possible. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We've had support -- we had our keynote address at our convention was delivered by Zell Miller. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| So there are some Democrats who agree with our approach. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And hopefully in a second term, we'll see an improvement along those lines. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Senator, there's 90 seconds. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Thank you. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| The president said that he would unite this country, that he was a uniter, not a divider. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Have you ever seen America more divided? | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Have you ever seen Washington more divided? | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| The reality is it is not an accident. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| It's the direct result of the choices they've made and their efforts that have created division in America. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We can do better than that in this country. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Now I want to go back to the whole issue of health care, because we touched it, but I think the American people deserve to know what we would do different. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| I mean, 5 million people losing their health care -- everyone who's watching this knows health insurance premiums are through the roof. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We need to talk about what we will do that they haven't done. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| First, we're going to make the same health care that's available to members of Congress available to all Americans. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We're going to cover all kids. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Not only that, we're going to bring down costs by pooling the catastrophic costs so we bring down premiums. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And we're going to give tax breaks directly to families, save them up to $1,000 a year, and to businesses -- the vice president talked about that a few minutes ago -- so that they can provide health care to their employees. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And we're also going to finally do something about the cost of prescription drugs. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| They've blocked allowing prescription drugs into this country from Canada. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We're going to allow it. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| They would not allow the government to use its negotiating power to get discounts for seniors. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We're going to allow it. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | NaN | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We're also going to stand up to the drug companies and do something about these drug company ads on television which are out of control. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| You have 30 seconds to respond to that, Mr. Vice President. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Well, Gwen -- I'm sorry, it's hard to know where to start. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| The fact of the matter is, the most important and significant change in health care in the last several years was the Medicare reform bill this year. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| It's the most sweeping change in 40 years. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Medicare used to pay for heart bypass surgery but didn't pay for the prescription drugs that might allow you to avoid it. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| The fact is that when that came up, Senator Kerry and Senator Edwards voted against it. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| It'll provide prescription drug benefits to 40 million senior citizens. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| It's a very, very significant piece of legislation. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Thirty seconds. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| They had a choice on allowing prescription drugs into this country from Canada, of being with the American people or with the drug companies. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| They were with the drug companies. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| They had a choice on negotiating discounts in the Medicare prescription drug bill of being with the American people or with the drug companies. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| They were with the drug companies. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | NaN | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| They had a choice on the patients' bill of rights, allowing people to make their own health care decisions and not having insurance companies make them, be with the American people, be with the big insurance companies. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| They're with the insurance companies. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| John Kerry and I will always fight for the American people. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| As previously agreed, we'll go to closing statements now, two minutes each. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Coin toss, Senator Edwards, you begin. | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Thank you. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Thank you, Gwen. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Thank you, Mr. Vice President, for being here. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| You know, when I was young and growing up, I remember coming down the steps into the kitchen, early in the morning, and I would see the glow of the television. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And I'd see my father sitting at a table. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| He wasn't paying bills, and he wasn't doing paperwork from work. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| What he was doing was learning math on television. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Now, he didn't have a college education, but he was doing what he could do to get a better job in the mill where he worked. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| I was proud of him. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| I'm still proud of him. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And I was also hopeful, because I knew that I lived in a country where I could get a college education. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Here's the truth: I have grown up in the bright light of America. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| But that light is flickering today. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Now, I know that the vice president and the president don't see it, but you do. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| You see it when your incomes are going down and the cost of everything -- college tuition, health care -- is going through the roof. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| You see it when you sit at your table each night and there's an empty chair because a loved one is serving in Iraq or Afghanistan. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| What they're going to give you is four more years of the same. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| John Kerry and I believe that we can do better. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We believe in a strong middle-class in this country. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| That's why we have a plan to create jobs, getting rid of tax cuts for companies outsourcing your jobs; give tax cuts to companies that'll keep jobs here in America. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| That's why we have a health care plan. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| That's why we have a plan to keep you safe and to fix this mess in Iraq. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| The truth is that every four years you get to decide. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| You have the ability to decide where America's going to go. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| John Kerry and I are asking you to give us the power to fight for you, to fight to keep that dream in America, that I saw as a young man, alive for every parent sitting at that kitchen table. | Johnny(John) R. Edwards | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Vice President Cheney? | Gwen Ifill | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Gwen, I want to thank you. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| It's been a privilege to serve as your vice president these last four years and to work alongside President Bush to put our economy on an upward path. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We've cut taxes, added 1.7 million new jobs in the last year, and we'll continue to provide opportunities for business and for workers. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We won't be happy until every American who wants to work can find a job. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We believe that all Americans ought to have access to available -- to medical care and that they ought to have access to the finest schools in the world. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We'll do everything we can to preserve Social Security and to make certain that it's there for future generations. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| I've worked for four presidents and watched two others up close, and I know that there's no such thing as a routine day in the Oval Office. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| We saw on 9/11 that the next president -- next decision a president has to make can affect the lives of all of us. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Now we find ourselves in the midst of a conflict unlike any we've ever known, faced with the possibility that terrorists could smuggle a deadly biological agent or a nuclear weapon into the middle of one of our own cities. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| That threat -- and the presidential leadership needed to deal with it -- is placing a special responsibility on all of you who will decide on November 2nd who will be our commander in chief. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| The only viable option for winning the war on terrorism is the one the president has chosen, to use the power of the United States to aggressively go after the terrorists wherever we find them and also to hold to account states that sponsor terror. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| Now that we've captured or killed thousands of Al Qaida and taken down the regimes of Saddam Hussein and the Taliban, it's important that we stand up democratically elected governments as the only guarantee that they'll never again revert to terrorism or the production of deadly weapons. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Claim | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| This is the task of our generation. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | Premise | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| And I know firsthand the strength the president brings to it. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| The overall outcome will depend upon the ability of the American people and the strong leadership of the president to meet all the challenges that we'll face in the days and years ahead. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| I'm confident we can do it. | Richard(Dick) B. Cheney | O | 2004 | 05 Oct 2004 |
| :<strong>October 13, 2004</strong> <strong>The Third Bush-Kerry Presidential Debate</strong> THIRD PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES' DEBATE ARIZONA STATE UNIVERSITY, TEMPE, ARIZONA SPEAKERS: GEORGE W. BUSH PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES U. S. SENATOR JOHN F. KERRY (MA) DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE BOB SCHIEFFER CBS ANCHOR | NaN | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Good evening from Arizona State University in Tempe, Arizona. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I'm Bob Schieffer of CBS News. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I want to welcome you to the third and last of the 2004 debates between President George Bush and Senator John Kerry. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| As Jim Lehrer told you before the first one, these debates are sponsored by the Commission on Presidential Debates. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Tonight the topic will be domestic affairs, but the format will be the same as that first debate. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I'll moderate our discussion under detailed rules agreed to by the candidates, but the questions and the areas to be covered were chosen by me. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I have not told the candidates or anyone else what they are. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| To refresh your memory on the rules, I will ask a question. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| The candidate is allowed two minutes to answer. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| His opponent then has a minute and a half to offer a rebuttal. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| At my discretion, I can extend the discussion by offering each candidate an additional 30 seconds. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| A green light will come on to signal the candidate has 30 seconds left. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| A yellow light signals 15 seconds left. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| A red light means five seconds left. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| There is also a buzzer, if it is needed. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| The candidates may not question each other directly. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| There are no opening statements, but there will be two-minute closing statements. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| There is an audience here tonight, but they have agreed to remain silent, except for right now, when they join me in welcoming President George Bush and Senator John Kerry. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| (APPLAUSE) Gentlemen, welcome to you both. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| By coin toss, the first question goes to Senator Kerry. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Senator, I want to set the stage for this discussion by asking the question that I think hangs over all of our politics today and is probably on the minds of many people watching this debate tonight. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And that is, will our children and grandchildren ever live in a world as safe and secure as the world in which we grew up? | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Well, first of all, Bob, thank you for moderating tonight. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Thank you, Arizona State, for welcoming us. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And thank you to the Presidential Commission for undertaking this enormous task. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We're proud to be here. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Mr. President, I'm glad to be here with you again to share similarities and differences with the American people. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Will we ever be safe and secure again? | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Yes. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We absolutely must be. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| That's the goal. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Now, how do we achieve it is the most critical component of it. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I believe that this president, regrettably, rushed us into a war, made decisions about foreign policy, pushed alliances away. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And, as a result, America is now bearing this extraordinary burden where we are not as safe as we ought to be. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| The measurement is not: Are we safer? | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Are we as safe as we ought to be? | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And there are a host of options that this president had available to him, like making sure that at all our ports in America containers are inspected. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Only 95 percent of them -- 95 percent come in today uninspected. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| That's not good enough. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| People who fly on airplanes today, the cargo hold is not X-rayed, but the baggage is. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| That's not good enough. | John F. Kerry | NaN | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Firehouses don't have enough firefighters in them. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Police officers are being cut from the streets of America because the president decided to cut the COPS program. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| So we can do a better job of homeland security. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I can do a better job of waging a smarter, more effective war on terror and guarantee that we will go after the terrorists. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I will hunt them down, and we'll kill them, we'll capture them. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We'll do whatever is necessary to be safe. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| But I pledge this to you, America: I will do it in the way that Franklin Roosevelt and Ronald Reagan and John Kennedy and others did, where we build the strongest alliances, where the world joins together, where we have the best intelligence and where we are able, ultimately, to be more safe and secure. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Mr. President, you have 90 seconds. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Bob, thank you very much. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I want to thank Arizona State as well. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Yes, we can be safe and secure, if we stay on the offense against the terrorists and if we spread freedom and liberty around the world. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I have got a comprehensive strategy to not only chase down the Al Qaida, wherever it exists -- and we're making progress; three-quarters of Al Qaida leaders have been brought to justice -- but to make sure that countries that harbor terrorists are held to account. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| As a result of securing ourselves and ridding the Taliban out of Afghanistan, the Afghan people had elections this weekend. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And the first voter was a 19-year-old woman. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Think about that. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Freedom is on the march. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We held to account a terrorist regime in Saddam Hussein. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| In other words, in order to make sure we're secure, there must be a comprehensive plan. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| My opponent just this weekend talked about how terrorism could be reduced to a nuisance, comparing it to prostitution, illegal gambling. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I think that attitude and that point of view is dangerous. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I don't think you can secure America for the long run if you don't have a comprehensive view as to how to defeat these people. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| At home, we'll do everything we can to protect the homeland. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I signed the homeland security bill to better align our assets and resources. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| My opponent voted against it. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We're doing everything we can to protect our borders and ports. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| But absolutely we can be secure in the long run. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| It just takes good, strong leadership. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Anything to add, Senator Kerry? | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Yes. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| When the president had an opportunity to capture or kill Osama bin Laden, he took his focus off of them, outsourced the job to Afghan warlords, and Osama bin Laden escaped. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Six months after he said Osama bin Laden must be caught dead or alive, this president was asked, "Where is Osama bin Laden? " | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| He said, "I don't know. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I don't really think about him very much. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I'm not that concerned. " | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We need a president who stays deadly focused on the real war on terror. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Mr. President? | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Gosh, I just don't think I ever said I'm not worried about Osama bin Laden. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| It's kind of one of those exaggerations. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Of course we're worried about Osama bin Laden. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We're on the hunt after Osama bin Laden. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We're using every asset at our disposal to get Osama bin Laden. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| My opponent said this war is a matter of intelligence and law enforcement. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| No, this war is a matter of using every asset at our disposal to keep the American people protected. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| New question, Mr. President, to you. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We are talking about protecting ourselves from the unexpected, but the flu season is suddenly upon us. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Flu kills thousands of people every year. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Suddenly we find ourselves with a severe shortage of flu vaccine. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| How did that happen? | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Bob, we relied upon a company out of England to provide about half of the flu vaccines for the United States citizen, and it turned out that the vaccine they were producing was contaminated. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And so we took the right action and didn't allow contaminated medicine into our country. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We're working with Canada to hopefully -- that they'll produce a -- help us realize the vaccine necessary to make sure our citizens have got flu vaccinations during this upcoming season. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| My call to our fellow Americans is if you're healthy, if you're younger, don't get a flu shot this year. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Help us prioritize those who need to get the flu shot, the elderly and the young. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| The CDC, responsible for health in the United States, is setting those priorities and is allocating the flu vaccine accordingly. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I haven't gotten a flu shot, and I don't intend to because I want to make sure those who are most vulnerable get treated. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We have a problem with litigation in the United States of America. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Vaccine manufacturers are worried about getting sued, and therefore they have backed off from providing this kind of vaccine. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| One of the reasons I'm such a strong believer in legal reform is so that people aren't afraid of producing a product that is necessary for the health of our citizens and then end up getting sued in a court of law. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| But the best thing we can do now, Bob, given the circumstances with the company in England is for those of us who are younger and healthy, don't get a flu shot. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Senator Kerry? | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| This really underscores the problem with the American health-care system. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| It's not working for the American family. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And it's gotten worse under President Bush over the course of the last years. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Five million Americans have lost their health insurance in this country. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| You've got about a million right here in Arizona, just shy, 950,000, who have no health insurance at all. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| 82,000 Arizonians lost their health insurance under President Bush's watch. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| 223,000 kids in Arizona have no health insurance at all. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| All across our country -- go to Ohio, 1. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| 4 million Ohioans have no health insurance, 114,000 of them lost it under President Bush; Wisconsin, 82,000 Wisconsinites lost it under President Bush. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| This president has turned his back on the wellness of America. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And there is no system. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| In fact, it's starting to fall apart not because of lawsuits -- though they are a problem, and John Edwards and I are committed to fixing them -- but because of the larger issue that we don't cover Americans. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Children across our country don't have health care. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We're the richest country on the face of the planet, the only industrialized nation in the world not to do it. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I have a plan to cover all Americans. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We're going to make it affordable and accessible. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We're going to let everybody buy into the same health-care plan senators and congressmen give themselves. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Mr. President, would you like to add something? | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I would. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Thank you. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I want to remind people listening tonight that a plan is not a litany of complaints, and a plan is not to lay out programs that you can't pay for. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| He just said he wants everybody to be able to buy in to the same plan that senators and congressmen get. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| That costs the government $7,700 per family. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| If every family in America signed up, like the senator suggested, if would cost us $5 trillion over 10 years. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| It's an empty promise. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| It's called bait and switch. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Time's up. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Thank you. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Actually, it's not an empty promise. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| It's really interesting, because the president used that very plan as a reason for seniors to accept his prescription drug plan. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| He said, if it's good enough for the congressmen and senators to have choice, seniors ought to have choice. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| What we do is we have choice. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I choose Blue Cross/Blue Shield. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Other senators, other congressmen choose other programs. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| But the fact is, we're going to help Americans be able to buy into it. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Those that can afford it are going to buy in themselves. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We're not giving this away for nothing. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| All right. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Senator Kerry, a new question. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Let's talk about economic security. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| You pledged during the last debate that you would not raise taxes on those making less than $200,000 a year. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| But the price of everything is going up, and we all know it. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Health-care costs, as you are talking about, is skyrocketing, the cost of the war. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| My question is, how can you or any president, whoever is elected next time, keep that pledge without running this country deeper into debt and passing on more of the bills that we're running up to our children? | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I'll tell you exactly how I can do it: by reinstating what President Bush took away, which is called pay as you go. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| During the 1990s, we had pay-as-you-go rules. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| If you were going to pass something in the Congress, you had to show where you are going to pay for it and how. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| President Bush has taken -- he's the only president in history to do this. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| He's also the only president in 72 years to lose jobs -- 1. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| 6 million jobs lost. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| He's the only president to have incomes of families go down for the last three years; the only president to see exports go down; the only president to see the lowest level of business investment in our country as it is today. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Now, I'm going to reverse that. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I'm going to change that. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We're going to restore the fiscal discipline we had in the 1990s. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Every plan that I have laid out -- my health-care plan, my plan for education, my plan for kids to be able to get better college loans -- I've shown exactly how I'm going to pay for those. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And we start -- we don't do it exclusively -- but we start by rolling back George Bush's unaffordable tax cut for the wealthiest people, people earning more than $200,000 a year, and we pass, hopefully, the McCain-Kerry Commission which identified some $60 billion that we can get. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We shut the loophole which has American workers actually subsidizing the loss of their own job. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| They just passed an expansion of that loophole in the last few days: $43 billion of giveaways, including favors to the oil and gas industry and the people importing ceiling fans from China. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I'm going to stand up and fight for the American worker. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And I am going to do it in a way that's fiscally sound. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I show how I pay for the health care, how we pay for the education. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I have a manufacturing jobs credit. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We pay for it by shutting that loophole overseas. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We raise the student loans. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I pay for it by changing the relationship with the banks. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| This president has never once vetoed one bill; the first president in a hundred years not to do that. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Mr. President? | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Well, his rhetoric doesn't match his record. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| He been a senator for 20 years. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| He voted to increase taxes 98 times. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| When they tried to reduce taxes, he voted against that 127 times. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| He talks about being a fiscal conservative, or fiscally sound, but he voted over -- he voted 277 times to waive the budget caps, which would have cost the taxpayers $4. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| 2 trillion. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| He talks about PAYGO. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I'll tell you what PAYGO means, when you're a senator from Massachusetts, when you're a colleague of Ted Kennedy, pay go means: You pay, and he goes ahead and spends. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| He's proposed $2. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| 2 trillion of new spending, and yet the so-called tax on the rich, which is also a tax on many small-business owners in America, raises $600 million by our account -- billion, $800 billion by his account. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| There is a tax gap. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And guess who usually ends up filling the tax gap? | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| The middle class. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I propose a detailed budget, Bob. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I sent up my budget man to the Congress, and he says, here's how we're going to reduce the deficit in half by five years. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| It requires pro-growth policies that grow our economy and fiscal sanity in the halls of Congress. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Let's go to a new question, Mr. President. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Two minutes. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And let's continue on jobs. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| You know, there are all kind of statistics out there, but I want to bring it down to an individual. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Mr. President, what do you say to someone in this country who has lost his job to someone overseas who's being paid a fraction of what that job paid here in the United States? | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I'd say, Bob, I've got policies to continue to grow our economy and create the jobs of the 21st century. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And here's some help for you to go get an education. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Here's some help for you to go to a community college. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We've expanded trade adjustment assistance. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We want to help pay for you to gain the skills necessary to fill the jobs of the 21st century. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| You know, there's a lot of talk about how to keep the economy growing. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We talk about fiscal matters. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| But perhaps the best way to keep jobs here in America and to keep this economy growing is to make sure our education system works. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I went to Washington to solve problems. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And I saw a problem in the public education system in America. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| They were just shuffling too many kids through the system, year after year, grade after grade, without learning the basics. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Let's raise the standards. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We're spending more money, but let's raise the standards and measure early and solve problems now, before it's too late. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| No, education is how to help the person who's lost a job. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Education is how to make sure we've got a workforce that's productive and competitive. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Got four more years, I've got more to do to continue to raise standards, to continue to reward teachers and school districts that are working, to emphasize math and science in the classrooms, to continue to expand Pell Grants to make sure that people have an opportunity to start their career with a college diploma. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And so the person you talked to, I say, here's some help, here's some trade adjustment assistance money for you to go a community college in your neighborhood, a community college which is providing the skills necessary to fill the jobs of the 21st century. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And that's what I would say to that person. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Senator Kerry? | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I want you to notice how the president switched away from jobs and started talking about education principally. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Let me come back in one moment to that, but I want to speak for a second, if I can, to what the president said about fiscal responsibility. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Being lectured by the president on fiscal responsibility is a little bit like Tony Soprano talking to me about law and order in this country. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| (LAUGHTER) This president has taken a $5. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| 6 trillion surplus and turned it into deficits as far as the eye can see. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Health-care costs for the average American have gone up 64 percent; tuitions have gone up 35 percent; gasoline prices up 30 percent; Medicare premiums went up 17 percent a few days ago; prescription drugs are up 12 percent a year. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| But guess what, America? | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| The wages of Americans have gone down. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| The jobs that are being created in Arizona right now are paying about $13,700 less than the jobs that we're losing. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And the president just walks on by this problem. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| The fact is that he's cut job-training money. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| $1 billion was cut. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| They only added a little bit back this year because it's an election year. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| They've cut the Pell Grants and the Perkins loans to help kids be able to go to college. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| They've cut the training money. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| They've wound up not even extending unemployment benefits and not even extending health care to those people who are unemployed. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I'm going to do those things, because that's what's right in America: Help workers to transition in every respect. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| New question to you, Senator Kerry, two minutes. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And it's still on jobs. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| You know, many experts say that a president really doesn't have much control over jobs. | Bob Schieffer | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| For example, if someone invents a machine that does the work of five people, that's progress. | Bob Schieffer | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| That's not the president's fault. | Bob Schieffer | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| So I ask you, is it fair to blame the administration entirely for this loss of jobs? | Bob Schieffer | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I don't blame them entirely for it. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I blame the president for the things the president could do that has an impact on it. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Outsourcing is going to happen. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I've acknowledged that in union halls across the country. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I've had shop stewards stand up and say, "Will you promise me you're going to stop all this outsourcing? | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| "And I've looked them in the eye and I've said, "No, I can't do that. " | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| What I can promise you is that I will make the playing field as fair as possible, that I will, for instance, make certain that with respect to the tax system that you as a worker in America are not subsidizing the loss of your job. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Today, if you're an American business, you actually get a benefit for going overseas. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| You get to defer your taxes. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| So if you're looking at a competitive world, you say to yourself, "Hey, I do better overseas than I do here in America. " | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| That's not smart. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I don't want American workers subsidizing the loss of their own job. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And when I'm president, we're going to shut that loophole in a nanosecond and we're going to use that money to lower corporate tax rates in America for all corporations, 5 percent. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And we're going to have a manufacturing jobs credit and a job hiring credit so we actually help people be able to hire here. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| The second thing that we can do is provide a fair trade playing field. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| This president didn't stand up for Boeing when Airbus was violating international rules and subsidies. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| He discovered Boeing during the course of this campaign after I'd been talking about it for months. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| The fact is that the president had an opportunity to stand up and take on China for currency manipulation. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| There are companies that wanted to petition the administration. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Don't even bother; we're not going to listen to it. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| The fact is that there have been markets shut to us that we haven't stood up and fought for. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I'm going to fight for a fair trade playing field for the American worker. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And I will fight for the American worker just as hard as I fight for my own job. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| That's what the American worker wants. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And if we do that, we can have an impact. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Plus, we need fiscal discipline. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Restore fiscal discipline, we'll do a lot better. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Mr. President? | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Whew! | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Let me start with the Pell Grants. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| In his last litany of misstatements. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| He said we cut Pell Grants. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We've increased Pell Grants by a million students. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| That's a fact. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| You know, he talks to the workers. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Let me talk to the workers. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| You've got more money in your pocket as a result of the tax relief we passed and he opposed. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| If you have a child, you got a $1,000 child credit. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| That's money in your pocket. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| If you're married, we reduced the marriage penalty. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| The code ought to encourage marriage, not discourage marriage. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We created a 10 percent bracket to help lower-income Americans. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| A family of four making $40,000 received about $1,700 in tax relief. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| It's your money. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| The way my opponent talks, he said, "We're going to spend the government's money. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| "No, we're spending your money. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And when you have more money in your pocket, you're able to better afford things you want. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I believe the role of government is to stand side by side with our citizens to help them realize their dreams, not tell citizens how to live their lives. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| My opponent talks about fiscal sanity. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| His record in the United States Senate does not match his rhetoric. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| He voted to increase taxes 98 times and to bust the budget 277 times. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Senator Kerry? | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Bob, anybody can play with these votes. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Everybody knows that. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I have supported or voted for tax cuts over 600 times. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I broke with my party in order to balance the budget, and Ronald Reagan signed into law the tax cut that we voted for. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I voted for IRA tax cuts. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I voted for small-business tax cuts. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| But you know why the Pell Grants have gone up in their numbers? | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Because more people qualify for them because they don't have money. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| But they're not getting the $5,100 the president promised them. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| They're getting less money. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We have more people who qualify. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| That's not what we want. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Senator, no one's playing with your votes. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| You voted to increase taxes 98 times. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| When they voted -- when they proposed reducing taxes, you voted against it 126 times. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| He voted to violate the budget cap 277 times. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| You know, there's a main stream in American politics and you sit right on the far left bank. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| As a matter of fact, your record is such that Ted Kennedy, your colleague, is the conservative senator from Massachusetts. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Mr. President, let's get back to economic issues. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| But let's shift to some other questions here. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Both of you are opposed to gay marriage. | Bob Schieffer | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| But to understand how you have come to that conclusion, I want to ask you a more basic question. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Do you believe homosexuality is a choice? | Bob Schieffer | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| You know, Bob, I don't know. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I just don't know. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I do know that we have a choice to make in America and that is to treat people with tolerance and respect and dignity. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| It's important that we do that. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And I also know in a free society people, consenting adults can live the way they want to live. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And that's to be honored. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| But as we respect someone's rights, and as we profess tolerance, we shouldn't change -- or have to change -- our basic views on the sanctity of marriage. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I believe in the sanctity of marriage. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I think it's very important that we protect marriage as an institution, between a man and a woman. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I proposed a constitutional amendment. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| The reason I did so was because I was worried that activist judges are actually defining the definition of marriage, and the surest way to protect marriage between a man and woman is to amend the Constitution. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| It has also the benefit of allowing citizens to participate in the process. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| After all, when you amend the Constitution, state legislatures must participate in the ratification of the Constitution. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I'm deeply concerned that judges are making those decisions and not the citizenry of the United States. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| You know, Congress passed a law called DOMA, the Defense of Marriage Act. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| My opponent was against it. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| It basically protected states from the action of one state to another. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| It also defined marriage as between a man and woman. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| But I'm concerned that that will get overturned. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And if it gets overturned, then we'll end up with marriage being defined by courts, and I don't think that's in our nation's interests. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Senator Kerry? | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We're all God's children, Bob. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And I think if you were to talk to Dick Cheney's daughter, who is a lesbian, she would tell you that she's being who she was, she's being who she was born as. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I think if you talk to anybody, it's not choice. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I've met people who struggled with this for years, people who were in a marriage because they were living a sort of convention, and they struggled with it. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And I've met wives who are supportive of their husbands or vice versa when they finally sort of broke out and allowed themselves to live who they were, who they felt God had made them. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I think we have to respect that. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| The president and I share the belief that marriage is between a man and a woman. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I believe that. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I believe marriage is between a man and a woman. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| But I also believe that because we are the United States of America, we're a country with a great, unbelievable Constitution, with rights that we afford people, that you can't discriminate in the workplace. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| You can't discriminate in the rights that you afford people. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| You can't disallow someone the right to visit their partner in a hospital. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| You have to allow people to transfer property, which is why I'm for partnership rights and so forth. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Now, with respect to DOMA and the marriage laws, the states have always been able to manage those laws. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And they're proving today, every state, that they can manage them adequately. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Senator Kerry, a new question for you. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| The New York Times reports that some Catholic archbishops are telling their church members that it would be a sin to vote for a candidate like you because you support a woman's right to choose an abortion and unlimited stem-cell research. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| What is your reaction to that? | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I respect their views. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I completely respect their views. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I am a Catholic. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And I grew up learning how to respect those views. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| But I disagree with them, as do many. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I believe that I can't legislate or transfer to another American citizen my article of faith. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| What is an article of faith for me is not something that I can legislate on somebody who doesn't share that article of faith. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I believe that choice is a woman's choice. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| It's between a woman, God and her doctor. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And that's why I support that. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Now, I will not allow somebody to come in and change Roe v. Wade. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| The president has never said whether or not he would do that. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| But we know from the people he's tried to appoint to the court he wants to. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I will not. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I will defend the right of Roe v. Wade. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Now, with respect to religion, you know, as I said, I grew up a Catholic. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I was an altar boy. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I know that throughout my life this has made a difference to me. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And as President Kennedy said when he ran for president, he said, "I'm not running to be a Catholic president. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I'm running to be a president who happens to be Catholic. " | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| My faith affects everything that I do, in truth. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| There's a great passage of the Bible that says, "What does it mean, my brother, to say you have faith if there are no deeds? | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Faith without works is dead. " | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And I think that everything you do in public life has to be guided by your faith, affected by your faith, but without transferring it in any official way to other people. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| That's why I fight against poverty. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| That's why I fight to clean up the environment and protect this earth. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| That's why I fight for equality and justice. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| All of those things come out of that fundamental teaching and belief of faith. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| But I know this, that President Kennedy in his inaugural address told all of us that here on Earth, God's work must truly be our own. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And that's what we have to -- I think that's the test of public service. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Mr. President? | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I think it's important to promote a culture of life. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I think a hospitable society is a society where every being counts and every person matters. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I believe the ideal world is one in which every child is protected in law and welcomed to life. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I understand there's great differences on this issue of abortion, but I believe reasonable people can come together and put good law in place that will help reduce the number of abortions. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Take, for example, the ban on partial birth abortion. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| It's a brutal practice. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| People from both political parties came together in the halls of Congress and voted overwhelmingly to ban that practice. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| It made a lot of sense. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| My opponent, in that he's out of the mainstream, voted against that law. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| What I'm saying is, is that as we promote life and promote a culture of life, surely there are ways we can work together to reduce the number of abortions: continue to promote adoption laws -- it's a great alternative to abortion -- continue to fund and promote maternity group homes; I will continue to promote abstinence programs. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| The last debate, my opponent said his wife was involved with those programs. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| That's great. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I appreciate that very much. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| All of us ought to be involved with programs that provide a viable alternative to abortion. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Mr. President, let's have a new question. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| It goes to you. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And let's get back to economic issues. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Health insurance costs have risen over 36 percent over the last four years according to The Washington Post. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We're paying more. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We're getting less. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I would like to ask you: Who bears responsibility for this? | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Is it the government? | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Is it the insurance companies? | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Is it the lawyers? | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Is it the doctors? | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Is it the administration? | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Gosh, I sure hope it's not the administration. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| There's a -- no, look, there's a systemic problem. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Health-care costs are on the rise because the consumers are not involved in the decision-making process. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Most health-care costs are covered by third parties. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And therefore, the actual user of health care is not the purchaser of health care. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And there's no market forces involved with health care. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| It's one of the reasons I'm a strong believer in what they call health savings accounts. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| These are accounts that allow somebody to buy a low-premium, high-deductible catastrophic plan and couple it with tax-free savings. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Businesses can contribute, employees can contribute on a contractual basis. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| But this is a way to make sure people are actually involved with the decision-making process on health care. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Secondly, I do believe the lawsuits -- I don't believe, I know -- that the lawsuits are causing health-care costs to rise in America. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| That's why I'm such a strong believer in medical liability reform. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| In the last debate, my opponent said those lawsuits only caused the cost to go up by 1 percent. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Well, he didn't include the defensive practice of medicine that costs the federal government some $28 billion a year and costs our society between $60 billion and $100 billion a year. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Thirdly, one of the reasons why there's still high cost in medicine is because this is -- they don't use any information technology. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| It's like if you looked at the -- it's the equivalent of the buggy and horse days, compared to other industries here in America. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And so, we've got to introduce high technology into health care. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We're beginning to do it. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We're changing the language. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We want there to be electronic medical records to cut down on error, as well as reduce cost. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| People tell me that when the health-care field is fully integrated with information technology, it'll wring some 20 percent of the cost out of the system. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And finally, moving generic drugs to the market quicker. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And so, those are four ways to help control the costs in health care. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Senator Kerry? | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| The reason health-care costs are getting higher, one of the principal reasons is that this administration has stood in the way of common-sense efforts that would have reduced the costs. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Let me give you a prime example. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| In the Senate we passed the right of Americans to import drugs from Canada. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| But the president and his friends took it out in the House, and now you don't have that right. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| The president blocked you from the right to have less expensive drugs from Canada. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We also wanted Medicare to be able to negotiate bulk purchasing. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| The VA does that. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| The VA provides lower-cost drugs to our veterans. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We could have done that in Medicare. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Medicare is paid for by the American taxpayer. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Medicare belongs to you. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Medicare is for seniors, who many of them are on fixed income, to lift them out of poverty. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| But rather than help you, the taxpayer, have lower cost, rather than help seniors have less expensive drugs, the president made it illegal -- illegal -- for Medicare to actually go out and bargain for lower prices. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| $139 billion windfall profit to the drug companies coming out of your pockets. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| That's a large part of your 17 percent increase in Medicare premiums. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| When I'm president, I'm sending that back to Congress and we're going to get a real prescription drug benefit. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Now, we also have people sicker because they don't have health insurance. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| So whether it's diabetes or cancer, they come to hospitals later and it costs America more. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We got to have health care for all Americans. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Go ahead, Mr. President. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I think it's important, since he talked about the Medicare plan, has he been in the United States Senate for 20 years? | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| He has no record on reforming of health care. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| No record at all. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| He introduced some 300 bills and he's passed five. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| No record of leadership. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I came to Washington to solve problems. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I was deeply concerned about seniors having to choose between prescription drugs and food. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And so I led. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And in 2006, our seniors will get a prescription drug coverage in Medicare. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Senator Kerry? | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Thirty seconds. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Once again, the president is misleading America. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I've actually passed 56 individual bills that I've personally written and, in addition to that, and not always under my name, there is amendments on certain bills. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| But more importantly, with respect to the question of no record, I helped write -- I did write, I was one of the original authors of the early childhood health care and the expansion of health care that we did in the middle of the 1990s. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And I'm very proud of that. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| So the president's wrong. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Let me direct the next question to you, Senator Kerry, and again, let's stay on health care. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| You have, as you have proposed and as the president has commented on tonight, proposed a massive plan to extend health-care coverage to children. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| You're also talking about the government picking up a big part of the catastrophic bills that people get at the hospital. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And you have said that you can pay for this by rolling back the president's tax cut on the upper 2 percent. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| You heard the president say earlier tonight that it's going to cost a whole lot more money than that. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I'd just ask you, where are you going to get the money? | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Well, two leading national news networks have both said the president's characterization of my health-care plan is incorrect. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| One called it fiction. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| The other called it untrue. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| The fact is that my health-care plan, America, is very simple. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| It gives you the choice. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I don't force you to do anything. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| It's not a government plan. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| The government doesn't require you to do anything. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| You choose your doctor. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| You choose your plan. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| If you don't want to take the offer of the plan that I want to put forward, you don't have do. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| You can keep what you have today, keep a high deductible, keep high premiums, keep a high co-pay, keep low benefits. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| But I got a better plan. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And I don't think a lot of people are going to want to keep what they have today. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Here's what I do: We take over Medicaid children from the states so that every child in America is covered. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And in exchange, if the states want to -- they're not forced to, they can choose to -- they cover individuals up to 300 percent of poverty. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| It's their choice. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I think they'll choose it, because it's a net plus of $5 billion to them. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We allow you -- if you choose to, you don't have to -- but we give you broader competition to allow you to buy into the same health care plan that senators and congressmen give themselves. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| If it's good enough for us, it's good enough for every American. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I believe that your health care is just as important as any politician in Washington, D. C. You want to buy into it, you can. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We give you broader competition. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| That helps lower prices. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| In addition to that, we're going to allow people 55 to 64 to buy into Medicare early. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And most importantly, we give small business a 50 percent tax credit so that after we lower the costs of health care, they also get, whether they're self-employed or a small business, a lower cost to be able to cover their employees. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Now, what happens is when you begin to get people covered like that -- for instance in diabetes, if you diagnose diabetes early, you could save $50 billion in the health care system of America by avoiding surgery and dialysis. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| It works. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And I'm going to offer it to America. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Mr. President? | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| In all due respect, I'm not so sure it's credible to quote leading news organizations about -- oh, never mind. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Anyway, let me quote the Lewin report. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| The Lewin report is a group of folks who are not politically affiliated. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| They analyzed the senator's plan. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| It cost $1.2 trillion. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| The Lewin report accurately noted that there are going to be 20 million people, over 20 million people added to government-controlled health care. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| It would be the largest increase in government health care ever. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| If you raise the Medicaid to 300 percent, it provides an incentive for small businesses not to provide private insurance to their employees. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Why should they insure somebody when the government's going to insure it for them? | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| It's estimated that 8 million people will go from private insurance to government insurance. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We have a fundamental difference of opinion. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I think government- run health will lead to poor-quality health, will lead to rationing, will lead to less choice. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Once a health-care program ends up in a line item in the federal government budget, it leads to more controls. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And just look at other countries that have tried to have federally controlled health care. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| They have poor-quality health care. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Our health-care system is the envy of the world because we believe in making sure that the decisions are made by doctors and patients, not by officials in the nation's capital. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Senator? | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| The president just said that government-run health care results in poor quality. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Now, maybe that explains why he hasn't fully funded the VA and the VA hospital is having trouble and veterans are complaining. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Maybe that explains why Medicare patients are complaining about being pushed off of Medicare. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| He doesn't adequately fund it. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| But let me just say to America: I am not proposing a government-run program. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| That's not what I have. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I have Blue Cross/Blue Shield. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Senators and congressmen have a wide choice. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Americans ought to have it too. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Mr. President? | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Talk about the VA: We've increased VA funding by $22 billion in the four years since I've been president. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| That's twice the amount that my predecessor increased VA funding. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Of course we're meeting our obligation to our veterans, and the veterans know that. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We're expanding veterans' health care throughout the country. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We're aligning facilities where the veterans live now. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Veterans are getting very good health care under my administration, and they will continue to do so during the next four years. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Mr. President, the next question is to you. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We all know that Social Security is running out of money, and it has to be fixed. | Bob Schieffer | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| You have proposed to fix it by letting people put some of the money collected to pay benefits into private savings accounts. | Bob Schieffer | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| But the critics are saying that's going to mean finding $1 trillion over the next 10 years to continue paying benefits as those accounts are being set up. | Bob Schieffer | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| So where do you get the money? | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Are you going to have to increase the deficit by that much over 10 years? | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| First, let me make sure that every senior listening today understands that when we're talking about reforming Social Security, that they'll still get their checks. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I remember the 2000 campaign, people said if George W. gets elected, your check will be taken away. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Well, people got their checks, and they'll continue to get their checks. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| There is a problem for our youngsters, a real problem. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And if we don't act today, the problem will be valued in the trillions. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And so I think we need to think differently. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We'll honor our commitment to our seniors. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| But for our children and our grandchildren, we need to have a different strategy. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And recognizing that, I called together a group of our fellow citizens to study the issue. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| It was a committee chaired by the late Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan of New York, a Democrat. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And they came up with a variety of ideas for people to look at. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I believe that younger workers ought to be allowed to take some of their own money and put it in a personal savings account, because I understand that they need to get better rates of return than the rates of return being given in the current Social Security trust. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And the compounding rate of interest effect will make it more likely that the Social Security system is solvent for our children and our grandchildren. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I will work with Republicans and Democrats. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| It'll be a vital issue in my second term. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| It is an issue that I am willing to take on, and so I'll bring Republicans and Democrats together. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And we're of course going to have to consider the costs. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| But I want to warn my fellow citizens: The cost of doing nothing, the cost of saying the current system is OK, far exceeds the costs of trying to make sure we save the system for our children. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Senator Kerry? | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| You just heard the president say that young people ought to be able to take money out of Social Security and put it in their own accounts. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Now, my fellow Americans, that's an invitation to disaster. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| The CBO said very clearly that if you were to adopt the president's plan, there would be a $2 trillion hole in Social Security, because today's workers pay in to the system for today's retirees. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And the CBO said -- that's the Congressional Budget Office; it's bipartisan -- they said that there would have to be a cut in benefits of 25 percent to 40 percent. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Now, the president has never explained to America, ever, hasn't done it tonight, where does the transitional money, that $2 trillion, come from? | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| He's already got $3 trillion, according to The Washington Post, of expenses that he's put on the line from his convention and the promises of this campaign, none of which are paid for. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Not one of them are paid for. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| The fact is that the president is driving the largest deficits in American history. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| He's broken the pay-as-you-go rules. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I have a record of fighting for fiscal responsibility. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| In 1985, I was one of the first Democrats -- broke with my party. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We balanced the budget in the '90s. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We paid down the debt for two years. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And that's what we're going to do. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We're going to protect Social Security. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I will not privatize it. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I will not cut the benefits. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And we're going to be fiscally responsible. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And we will take care of Social Security. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Let me just stay on Social Security with a new question for Senator Kerry, because, Senator Kerry, you have just said you will not cut benefits. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Alan Greenspan, the chairman of the Federal Reserve, says there's no way that Social Security can pay retirees what we have promised them unless we recalibrate. | Bob Schieffer | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| What he's suggesting, we're going to cut benefits or we're going to have to raise the retirement age. | Bob Schieffer | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We may have to take some other reform. | Bob Schieffer | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| But if you've just said, you've promised no changes, does that mean you're just going to leave this as a problem, another problem for our children to solve? | Bob Schieffer | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Not at all. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Absolutely not, Bob. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| This is the same thing we heard -- remember, I appeared on "Meet the Press" with Tim Russert in 1990-something. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We heard the same thing. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We fixed it. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| In fact, we put together a $5. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| 6 trillion surplus in the '90s that was for the purpose of saving Social Security. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| If you take the tax cut that the president of the United States has given -- President Bush gave to Americans in the top 1 percent of America -- just that tax cut that went to the top 1 percent of America would have saved Social Security until the year 2075. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| The president decided to give it to the wealthiest Americans in a tax cut. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Now, Alan Greenspan, who I think has done a terrific job in monetary policy, supports the president's tax cut. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I don't. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I support it for the middle class, not that part of it that goes to people earning more than $200,000 a year. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And when I roll it back and we invest in the things that I have talked about to move our economy, we're going to grow sufficiently, it would begin to cut the deficit in half, and we get back to where we were at the end of the 1990s when we balanced the budget and paid down the debt of this country. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Now, we can do that. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Now, if later on after a period of time we find that Social Security is in trouble, we'll pull together the top experts of the country. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We'll do exactly what we did in the 1990s. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And we'll make whatever adjustment is necessary. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| But the first and most important thing is to start creating jobs in America. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| The jobs the president is creating pay $9,000 less than the jobs that we're losing. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And this is the first president in 72 years to preside over an economy in America that has lost jobs, 1. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| 6 million jobs. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Eleven other presidents -- six Democrats and five Republicans -- had wars, had recessions, had great difficulties; none of them lost jobs the way this president has. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I have a plan to put America back to work. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And if we're fiscally responsible and put America back to work, we're going to fix Social Security. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Mr. President? | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| He forgot to tell you he voted to tax Social Security benefits more than one time. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I didn't hear any plan to fix Social Security. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I heard more of the same. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| He talks about middle-class tax cuts. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| That's exactly where the tax cuts went. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Most of the tax cuts went to low- and middle-income Americans. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And now the tax code is more fair. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Twenty percent of the upper-income people pay about 80 percent of the taxes in America today because of how we structured the tax cuts. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| People listening out there know the benefits of the tax cuts we passed. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| If you have a child, you got tax relief. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| If you're married, you got tax relief. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| If you pay any tax at all, you got tax relief. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| All of which was opposed by my opponent. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And the tax relief was important to spur consumption and investment to get us out of this recession. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| People need to remember: Six months prior to my arrival, the stock market started to go down. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And it was one of the largest declines in our history. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And then we had a recession and we got attacked, which cost us 1 million jobs. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| But we acted. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I led the Congress. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We passed tax relief. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And now this economy is growing. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We added 1. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| 9 million new jobs over the last 13 months. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Sure, there's more work to do. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| But the way to make sure our economy grows is not to raise taxes on small-business owners. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| It's not to increase the scope of the federal government. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| It's to make sure we have fiscal sanity and keep taxes low. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Let's go to a new question, Mr. President. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I got more e-mail this week on this question than any other question. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And it is about immigration. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I'm told that at least 8,000 people cross our borders illegally every day. | Bob Schieffer | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Some people believe this is a security issue, as you know. | Bob Schieffer | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Some believe it's an economic issue. | Bob Schieffer | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Some see it as a human-rights issue. | Bob Schieffer | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| How do you see it? | Bob Schieffer | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And what do we need to do about it? | Bob Schieffer | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I see it as a serious problem. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I see it as a security issue, I see it as an economic issue, and I see it as a human-rights issue. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We're increasing the border security of the United States. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We've got 1,000 more Border Patrol agents on the southern border. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We're using new equipment. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We're using unmanned vehicles to spot people coming across. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And we'll continue to do so over the next four years. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| It's a subject I'm very familiar with. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| After all, I was a border governor for a while. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Many people are coming to this country for economic reasons. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| They're coming here to work. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| If you can make 50 cents in the heart of Mexico, for example, or make $5 here in America, $5. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| 15, you're going to come here if you're worth your salt, if you want to put food on the table for your families. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And that's what's happening. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And so in order to take pressure off the borders, in order to make the borders more secure, I believe there ought to be a temporary worker card that allows a willing worker and a willing employer to mate up, so long as there's not an American willing to do that job, to join up in order to be able to fulfill the employers' needs. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| That has the benefit of making sure our employers aren't breaking the law as they try to fill their workforce needs. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| It makes sure that the people coming across the border are humanely treated, that they're not kept in the shadows of our society, that they're able to go back and forth to see their families. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| See, the card, it'll have a period of time attached to it. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| It also means it takes pressure off the border. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| If somebody is coming here to work with a card, it means they're not going to have to sneak across the border. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| It means our border patrol will be more likely to be able to focus on doing their job. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Now, it's very important for our citizens to also know that I don't believe we ought to have amnesty. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I don't think we ought to reward illegal behavior. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| There are plenty of people standing in line to become a citizen. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And we ought not to crowd these people ahead of them in line. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| If they want to become a citizen, they can stand in line, too. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And here is where my opponent and I differ. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| In September 2003, he supported amnesty for illegal aliens. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Time's up. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Senator? | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Let me just answer one part of the last question quickly, and then I'll come to immigration. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| The American middle-class family isn't making it right now, Bob. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And what the president said about the tax cuts has been wiped out by the increase in health care, the increase in gasoline, the increase in tuitions, the increase in prescription drugs. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| The fact is, the take-home pay of a typical American family as a share of national income is lower than it's been since 1929. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And the take-home pay of the richest . | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| 1 percent of Americans is the highest it's been since 1928. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Under President Bush, the middle class has seen their tax burden go up and the wealthiest's tax burden has gone down. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Now that's wrong. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Now, with respect to immigration reform, the president broke his promise on immigration reform. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| He said he would reform it. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Four years later he is now promising another plan. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Here's what I'll do: Number one, the borders are more leaking today than they were before 9/11. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| The fact is, we haven't done what we need to do to toughen up our borders, and I will. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Secondly, we need a guest-worker program, but if it's all we have, it's not going to solve the problem. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| The second thing we need is to crack down on illegal hiring. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| It's against the law in the United States to hire people illegally, and we ought to be enforcing that law properly. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And thirdly, we need an earned-legalization program for people who have been here for a long time, stayed out of trouble, got a job, paid their taxes, and their kids are American. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We got to start moving them toward full citizenship, out of the shadows. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Do you want to respond, Mr. President? | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Well, to say that the borders are not as protected as they were prior to September the 11th shows he doesn't know the borders. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| They're much better protected today than they were when I was the governor of Texas. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We have much more manpower and much more equipment there. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| He just doesn't understand how the borders work, evidently, to say that. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| That is an outrageous claim. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And we'll continue to protect our borders. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We're continuing to increase manpower and equipment. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Senator? | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Four thousand people a day are coming across the border. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| The fact is that we now have people from the Middle East, allegedly, coming across the border. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And we're not doing what we ought to do in terms of the technology. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We have iris-identification technology. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We have thumbprint, fingerprint technology today. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We can know who the people are, that they're really the people they say they are when they cross the border. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We could speed it up. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| There are huge delays. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| The fact is our borders are not as secure as they ought to be, and I'll make them secure. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Next question to you, Senator Kerry. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| The gap between rich and poor is growing wider. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| More people are dropping into poverty. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Yet the minimum wage has been stuck at, what, $5. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| 15 an hour now for about seven years. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Is it time to raise it? | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Well, I'm glad you raised that question. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| It's long overdue time to raise the minimum wage. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And, America, this is one of those issues that separates the president and myself. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We have fought to try to raise the minimum wage in the last years. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| But the Republican leadership of the House and Senate won't even let us have a vote on it. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We're not allowed to vote on it. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| They don't want to raise the minimum wage. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| The minimum wage is the lowest minimum wage value it has been in our nation in 50 years. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| If we raise the minimum wage, which I will do over several years to $7 an hour, 9. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| 2 million women who are trying to raise their families would earn another $3,800 a year. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| The president has denied 9. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| 2 million women $3,800 a year, but he doesn't hesitate to fight for $136,000 to a millionaire. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| One percent of America got $89 billion last year in a tax cut, but people working hard, playing by the rules, trying to take care of their kids, family values, that we're supposed to value so much in America -- I'm tired of politicians who talk about family values and don't value families. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| What we need to do is raise the minimum wage. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We also need to hold on to equal pay. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Women work for 76 cents on the dollar for the same work that men do. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| That's not right in America. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And we had an initiative that we were working on to raise women's pay. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| They've cut it off. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| They've stopped it. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| They don't enforce these kinds of things. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Now, I think that it's a matter of fundamental right that if we raise the minimum wage, 15 million Americans would be positively affected. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We'd put money into the hands of people who work hard, who obey the rules, who play for the American dream. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And if we did that, we'd have more consumption ability in America, which is what we need right now in order to kick our economy into gear. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I will fight tooth and nail to pass the minimum wage. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Actually, Mitch McConnell had a minimum-wage plan that I supported that would have increased the minimum wage. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| But let me talk about what's really important for the worker you're referring to. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And that's to make sure the education system works. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| It's to make sure we raise standards. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Listen, the No Child Left Behind Act is really a jobs act when you think about it. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| The No Child Left Behind Act says, "We'll raise standards. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We'll increase federal spending. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| But in return for extra spending, we now want people to measure -- states and local jurisdictions to measure to show us whether or not a child can read or write or add and subtract. " | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| You cannot solve a problem unless you diagnose the problem. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And we weren't diagnosing problems. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And therefore just kids were being shuffled through the school. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And guess who would get shuffled through? | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Children whose parents wouldn't speak English as a first language just move through. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Many inner-city kids just move through. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We've stopped that practice now by measuring early. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And when we find a problem, we spend extra money to correct it. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I remember a lady in Houston, Texas, told me, "Reading is the new civil right," and she's right. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| In order to make sure people have jobs for the 21st century, we've got to get it right in the education system, and we're beginning to close a minority achievement gap now. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| You see, we'll never be able to compete in the 21st century unless we have an education system that doesn't quit on children, an education system that raises standards, an education that makes sure there's excellence in every classroom. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Mr. President, I want to go back to something Senator Kerry said earlier tonight and ask a follow-up of my own. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| He said -- and this will be a new question to you -- he said that you had never said whether you would like to overturn Roe v. Wade. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| So I'd ask you directly, would you like to? | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| What he's asking me is, will I have a litmus test for my judges? | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And the answer is, no, I will not have a litmus test. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I will pick judges who will interpret the Constitution, but I'll have no litmus test. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Senator Kerry, you'd like to respond? | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Is that a new question or a 30-second question? | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| That's a new question for Senator -- for President Bush. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Which time limit. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| . | John F. Kerry | NaN | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| . | John F. Kerry | NaN | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| You have 90 seconds. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Thank you very much. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Well, again, the president didn't answer the question. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I'll answer it straight to America. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I'm not going to appoint a judge to the Court who's going to undo a constitutional right, whether it's the First Amendment, or the Fifth Amendment, or some other right that's given under our courts today -- under the Constitution. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And I believe that the right of choice is a constitutional right. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| So I don't intend to see it undone. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Clearly, the president wants to leave in ambivalence or intends to undo it. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| But let me go a step further. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We have a long distance yet to travel in terms of fairness in America. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I don't know how you can govern in this country when you look at New York City and you see that 50 percent of the black males there are unemployed, when you see 40 percent of Hispanic children -- of black children in some cities -- dropping out of high school. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And yet the president who talks about No Child Left Behind refused to fully fund -- by $28 billion -- that particular program so you can make a difference in the lives of those young people. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Now right here in Arizona, that difference would have been $131 million to the state of Arizona to help its kids be able to have better education and to lift the property tax burden from its citizens. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| The president reneged on his promise to fund No Child Left Behind. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| He'll tell you he's raised the money, and he has. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| But he didn't put in what he promised, and that makes a difference in the lives of our children. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Yes, sir? | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Two things. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| One, he clearly has a litmus test for his judges, which I disagree with. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And secondly, only a liberal senator from Massachusetts would say that a 49 percent increase in funding for education was not enough. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We've increased funds. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| But more importantly, we've reformed the system to make sure that we solve problems early, before they're too late. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| He talked about the unemployed. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Absolutely we've got to make sure they get educated. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| He talked about children whose parents don't speak English as a first language? | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Absolutely we've got to make sure they get educated. | George W. Bush | NaN | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And that's what the No Child Left Behind Act does. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Senator? | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| You don't measure it by a percentage increase. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Mr. President, you measure it by whether you're getting the job done. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Five hundred thousand kids lost after-school programs because of your budget. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Now, that's not in my gut. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| That's not in my value system, and certainly not so that the wealthiest people in America can walk away with another tax cut. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| $89 billion last year to the top 1 percent of Americans, but kids lost their after-school programs. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| You be the judge. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| All right, let's go to another question. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And it is to Senator Kerry. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| You have two minutes, sir. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Senator, the last debate, President Bush said he did not favor a draft. | Bob Schieffer | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| You agreed with him. | Bob Schieffer | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| But our National Guard and Reserve forces are being severely strained because many of them are being held beyond their enlistments. | Bob Schieffer | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Some of them say that it's a back-door draft. | Bob Schieffer | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Is there any relief that could be offered to these brave Americans and their families? | Bob Schieffer | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| If you became president, Senator Kerry, what would you do about this situation of holding National Guard and Reservists for these extended periods of time and these repeated call-ups that they're now facing? | Bob Schieffer | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Well, I think the fact that they're facing these repeated call-ups, some of them two and three deployments, and there's a stop- loss policy that prevents people from being able to get out when their time was up, is a reflection of the bad judgment this president exercised in how he has engaged in the world and deployed our forces. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Our military is overextended. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Nine out of 10 active-duty Army divisions are either in Iraq, going to Iraq or have come back from Iraq. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| One way or the other, they're wrapped up in it. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Now, I've proposed adding two active-duty divisions to the armed forces of the United States -- one combat, one support. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| In addition, I'm going to double the number of Special Forces so that we can fight a more effective war on terror, with less pressure on the National Guard and Reserve. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And what I would like to do is see the National Guard and Reserve be deployed differently here in our own country. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| There's much we can do with them with respect to homeland security. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We ought to be doing that. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And that would relieve an enormous amount of pressure. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| But the most important thing to relieve the pressure on all of the armed forces is frankly to run a foreign policy that recognizes that America is strongest when we are working with real alliances, when we are sharing the burdens of the world by working through our statesmanship at the highest levels and our diplomacy to bring other nations to our side. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I've said it before, I say it again: I believe the president broke faith with the American people in the way that he took this nation to war. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| He said he would work through a real alliance. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| He said in Cincinnati we would plan carefully, we would take every precaution. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Well, we didn't. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And the result is our forces today are overextended. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| The fact is that he did not choose to go to war as a last result. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And America now is paying, already $120 billion, up to $200 billion before we're finished and much more probably. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And that is the result of this president taking his eye off of Osama bin Laden. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Mr. President? | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| The best way to take the pressure off our troops is to succeed in Iraq, is to train Iraqis so they can do the hard work of democracy, is to give them a chance to defend their country, which is precisely what we're doing. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We'll have 125,000 troops trained by the end of this year. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I remember going on an airplane in Bangor, Maine, to say thanks to the reservists and Guard that were headed overseas from Tennessee and North Carolina, Georgia. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Some of them had been there before. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| The people I talked to their spirits were high. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| They didn't view their service as a back-door draft. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| They viewed their service as an opportunity to serve their country. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| My opponent, the senator, talks about foreign policy. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| In our first debate he proposed America pass a global test. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| In order to defend ourselves, we'd have to get international approval. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| That's one of the major differences we have about defending our country. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I'll work with allies. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I'll work with friends. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We'll continue to build strong coalitions. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| But I will never turn over our national- security decisions to leaders of other countries. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We'll be resolute, we'll be strong, and we'll wage a comprehensive war against the terrorists. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Senator? | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I have never suggested a test where we turn over our security to any nation. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| In fact, I've said the opposite: I will never turn the security of the United States over to any nation. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| No nation will ever have a veto over us. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| But I think it makes sense, I think most Americans in their guts know, that we ought to pass a sort of truth standard. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| That's how you gain legitimacy with your own countrypeople, and that's how you gain legitimacy in the world. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| But I'll never fail to protect the United States of America. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| In 1990, there was a vast coalition put together to run Saddam Hussein out of Kuwait. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| The international community, the international world said this is the right thing to do, but when it came time to authorize the use of force on the Senate floor, my opponent voted against the use of force. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Apparently you can't pass any test under his vision of the world. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Mr. President, new question, two minutes. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| You said that if Congress would vote to extend the ban on assault weapons, that you'd sign the legislation, but you did nothing to encourage the Congress to extend it. | Bob Schieffer | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Why not? | Bob Schieffer | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Actually, I made my intentions -- made my views clear. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I did think we ought to extend the assault weapons ban, and was told the fact that the bill was never going to move, because Republicans and Democrats were against the assault weapon ban, people of both parties. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I believe law-abiding citizens ought to be able to own a gun. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I believe in background checks at gun shows or anywhere to make sure that guns don't get in the hands of people that shouldn't have them. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| But the best way to protect our citizens from guns is to prosecute those who commit crimes with guns. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And that's why early in my administration I called the attorney general and the U. S. attorneys and said: Put together a task force all around the country to prosecute those who commit crimes with guns. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And the prosecutions are up by about 68 percent -- I believe -- is the number. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Neighborhoods are safer when we crack down on people who commit crimes with guns. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| To me, that's the best way to secure America. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Senator? | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I believe it was a failure of presidential leadership not to reauthorize the assault weapons ban. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I am a hunter. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I'm a gun owner. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I've been a hunter since I was a kid, 12, 13 years old. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And I respect the Second Amendment and I will not tamper with the Second Amendment. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| But I'll tell you this. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I'm also a former law enforcement officer. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I ran one of the largest district attorney's offices in America, one of the ten largest. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I put people behind bars for the rest of their life. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I've broken up organized crime. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I know something about prosecuting. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And most of the law enforcement agencies in America wanted that assault weapons ban. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| They don't want to go into a drug bust and be facing an AK-47. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I was hunting in Iowa last year with a sheriff from one of the counties there, and he pointed to a house in back of us, and said, "See the house over? | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We just did a drug bust a week earlier, and the guy we arrested had an AK-47 lying on the bed right beside him. " | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Because of the president's decision today, law enforcement officers will walk into a place that will be more dangerous. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Terrorists can now come into America and go to a gun show and, without even a background check, buy an assault weapon today. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And that's what Osama bin Laden's handbook said, because we captured it in Afghanistan. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| It encouraged them to do it. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| So I believe America's less safe. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| If Tom DeLay or someone in the House said to me, "Sorry, we don't have the votes," I'd have said, "Then we're going to have a fight. " | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And I'd have taken it out to the country and I'd have had every law enforcement officer in the country visit those congressmen. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We'd have won what Bill Clinton won. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Let's go to a new question. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| For you, Senator Kerry, two minutes. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Do you see a need for affirmative action programs, or have we moved far enough along that we no longer need to use race and gender as a factor in school admissions and federal and state contracts and so on? | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| No, Bob, regrettably, we have not moved far enough along. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And I regret to say that this administration has even blocked steps that could help us move further along. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I'll give you an example. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I served on the Small Business Committee for a long time. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I was chairman of it once. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Now I'm the senior Democrat on it. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We used to -- you know, we have a goal there for minority set-aside programs, to try to encourage ownership in the country. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| They don't reach those goals. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| They don't even fight to reach those goals. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| They've tried to undo them. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| The fact is that in too many parts of our country, we still have discrimination. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And affirmative action is not just something that applies to people of color. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Some people have a mistaken view of it in America. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| It also is with respect to women, it's with respect to other efforts to try to reach out and be inclusive in our country. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I think that we have a long way to go, regrettably. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| If you look at what's happened -- we've made progress, I want to say that at the same time. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| During the Clinton years, as you may recall, there was a fight over affirmative action. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And there were many people, like myself, who opposed quotas, who felt there were places where it was overreaching. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| So we had a policy called "Mend it, don't end it. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| "We fixed it. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And we fixed it for a reason: because there are too many people still in this country who feel the stark resistance of racism, and so we have a distance to travel. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| As president, I will make certain we travel it. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Now, let me just share something. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| This president is the first president ever, I think, not to meet with the NAACP. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| This is a president who hasn't met with the Black Congressional Caucus. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| This is a president who has not met with the civil rights leadership of our country. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| If a president doesn't reach out and bring people in and be inclusive, then how are we going to get over those barriers? | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I see that as part of my job as president, and I'll make my best effort to do it. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Mr. President? | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Well, first of all, it is just not true that I haven't met with the Black Congressional Caucus. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I met with the Black Congressional Caucus at the White House. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And secondly, like my opponent, I don't agree we ought to have quotas. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I agree, we shouldn't have quotas. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| But we ought to have an aggressive effort to make sure people are educated, to make sure when they get out of high school there's Pell Grants available for them, which is what we've done. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We've expanded Pell Grants by a million students. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Do you realize today in America, we spend $73 billion to help 10 million low- and middle-income families better afford college? | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| That's the access I believe is necessary, is to make sure every child learns to read, write, add and subtract early, to be able to build on that education by going to college so they can start their careers with a college diploma. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I believe the best way to help our small businesses is not only through small-business loans, which we have increased since I've been the president of the United States, but to unbundle government contracts so people have a chance to be able to bid and receive a contract to help get their business going. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Minority ownership of businesses are up, because we created an environment for the entrepreneurial spirit to be strong. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I believe part of a hopeful society is one in which somebody owns something. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Today in America more minorities own a home than ever before. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And that's hopeful, and that's positive. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Mr. President, let's go to a new question. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| You were asked before the invasion, or after the invasion, of Iraq if you'd checked with your dad. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And I believe, I don't remember the quote exactly, but I believe you said you had checked with a higher authority. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I would like to ask you, what part does your faith play on your policy decisions? | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| First, my faith plays a lot -- a big part in my life. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And that's, when I was answering that question, what I was really saying to the person was that I pray a lot. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And I do. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And my faith is a very -- it's very personal. | Bob Schieffer | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I pray for strength. | Bob Schieffer | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I pray for wisdom. | Bob Schieffer | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I pray for our troops in harm's way. | Bob Schieffer | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I pray for my family. | Bob Schieffer | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I pray for my little girls. | Bob Schieffer | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| But I'm mindful in a free society that people can worship if they want to or not. | Bob Schieffer | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| You're equally an American if you choose to worship an almighty and if you choose not to. | Bob Schieffer | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| If you're a Christian, Jew or Muslim, you're equally an American. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| That's the great thing about America, is the right to worship the way you see fit. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Prayer and religion sustain me. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I receive calmness in the storms of the presidency. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I love the fact that people pray for me and my family all around the country. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Somebody asked me one time, "Well, how do you know? | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| "I said, "I just feel it. " | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Religion is an important part. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I never want to impose my religion on anybody else. | Bob Schieffer | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| But when I make decisions, I stand on principle, and the principles are derived from who I am. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I believe we ought to love our neighbor like we love ourself, as manifested in public policy through the faith-based initiative where we've unleashed the armies of compassion to help heal people who hurt. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I believe that God wants everybody to be free. | Bob Schieffer | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| That's what I believe. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And that's been part of my foreign policy. | Bob Schieffer | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| In Afghanistan, I believe that the freedom there is a gift from the Almighty. | Bob Schieffer | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And I can't tell you how encouraged I am to see freedom on the march. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And so my principles that I make decisions on are a part of me, and religion is a part of me. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Senator Kerry? | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Well, I respect everything that the president has said and certainly respect his faith. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I think it's important and I share it. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I think that he just said that freedom is a gift from the Almighty. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Everything is a gift from the Almighty. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And as I measure the words of the Bible -- and we all do; different people measure different things -- the Koran, the Torah, or, you know, Native Americans who gave me a blessing the other day had their own special sense of connectedness to a higher being. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And people all find their ways to express it. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I was taught -- I went to a church school and I was taught that the two greatest commandments are: Love the Lord, your God, with all your mind, your body and your soul, and love your neighbor as yourself. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And frankly, I think we have a lot more loving of our neighbor to do in this country and on this planet. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We have a separate and unequal school system in the United States of America. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| There's one for the people who have, and there's one for the people who don't have. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And we're struggling with that today. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And the president and I have a difference of opinion about how we live out our sense of our faith. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I talked about it earlier when I talked about the works and faith without works being dead. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I think we've got a lot more work to do. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And as president, I will always respect everybody's right to practice religion as they choose -- or not to practice -- because that's part of America. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Senator Kerry, after 9/11 -- and this is a new question for you -- it seemed to me that the country came together as I've never seen it come together since World War II. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| But some of that seems to have melted away. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I think it's fair to say we've become pretty polarized, perhaps because of the political season. | Bob Schieffer | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| But if you were elected president, or whoever is elected president, will you set a priority in trying to bring the nation back together? | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Or what would be your attitude on that? | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Very much so. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Let me pay a compliment to the president, if I may. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I think in those days after 9/11, I thought the president did a terrific job. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And I really was moved, as well as impressed, by the speech that he gave to the Congress. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And I think the hug Tom Daschle gave him at that moment was about as genuine a sense of there being no Democrats, no Republicans, we were all just Americans. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| That's where we were. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| That's not where we are today. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I regret to say that the president who called himself a uniter, not a divider, is now presiding over the most divided America in the recent memory of our country. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I've never seen such ideological squabbles in the Congress of the United States. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I've never seen members of a party locked out of meetings the way they're locked out today. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We have to change that. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And as president, I am committed to changing that. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I don't care if the idea comes from the other side or this side. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I think we have to come together and work to change it. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And I've done that. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Over 20 years in the United States Senate, I've worked with John McCain, who's sitting here, I've worked with other colleagues. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I've reached across the aisle. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I've tried to find the common ground, because that's what makes us strong as Americans. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And if Americans trust me with the presidency, I can pledge to you, we will have the most significant effort, openly -- not secret meetings in the White House with special interests, not ideologically driven efforts to push people aside -- but a genuine effort to try to restore America's hope and possibilities by bringing people together. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And one of the ways we're going to do it is, I'm going to work with my friend, John McCain, to further campaign finance reform so we get these incredible amounts of money out of the system and open it up to average people, so America is really represented by the people who make up America. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Mr. President? | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| My biggest disappointment in Washington is how partisan the town is. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I had a record of working with Republicans and Democrats as the governor of Texas, and I was hopeful I'd be able to do the same thing. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And we made good progress early on. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| The No Child Left Behind Act, incredibly enough, was good work between me and my administration and people like Senator Ted Kennedy. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And we worked together with Democrats to relieve the tax burden on the middle class and all who pay taxes in order to make sure this economy continues to grow. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| But Washington is a tough town. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And the way I view it is there's a lot of entrenched special interests there, people who are, you know, on one side of the issue or another and they spend enormous sums of money and they convince different senators to taut their way or different congressmen to talk about their issue, and they dig in. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I'll continue, in the four years, to continue to try to work to do so. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| My opponent said this is a bitterly divided time. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Pretty divided in the 2000 election. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| So in other words, it's pretty divided during the 1990s as well. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We're just in a period -- we've got to work to bring it -- my opponent keeps mentioning John McCain, and I'm glad he did. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| John McCain is for me for president because he understands I have the right view in winning the war on terror and that my plan will succeed in Iraq. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And my opponent has got a plan of retreat and defeat in Iraq. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We've come, gentlemen, to our last question. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And it occurred to me as I came to this debate tonight that the three of us share something. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| All three of us are surrounded by very strong women. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We're all married to strong women. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Each of us have two daughters that make us very proud. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I'd like to ask each of you, what is the most important thing you've learned from these strong women? | Bob Schieffer | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| To listen to them. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| (LAUGHTER) To stand up straight and not scowl. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| (LAUGHTER) I love the strong women around me. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I can't tell you how much I love my wife and our daughters. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I am -- you know it's really interesting. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I tell the people on the campaign trail, when I asked Laura to marry me, she said, "Fine, just so long as I never have to give a speech. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| "I said, "OK, you've got a deal. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| "Fortunately, she didn't hold me to that deal. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And she's out campaigning along with our girls. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And she speaks English a lot better than I do. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I think people understand what she's saying. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| But they see a compassionate, strong, great first lady in Laura Bush. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I can't tell you how lucky I am. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| When I met her in the backyard at Joe and Jan O'Neill's in Midland, Texas, it was the classic backyard barbecue. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| O'Neill said, "Come on over. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I think you'll find somebody who might interest you. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| "So I said all right. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Bopped over there. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| There was only four of us there. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And not only did she interest me, I guess you would say it was love at first sight. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Senator Kerry? | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Well, I guess the president and you and I are three examples of lucky people who married up. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| (LAUGHTER) And some would say maybe me more so than others. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| (LAUGHTER) But I can take it. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| (LAUGHTER) Can I say, if I could just say a word about a woman that you didn't ask about, but my mom passed away a couple years ago, just before I was deciding to run. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And she was in the hospital, and I went in to talk to her and tell her what I was thinking of doing. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And she looked at me from her hospital bed and she just looked at me and she said, "Remember: integrity, integrity, integrity. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| "Those are the three words that she left me with. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And my daughters and my wife are people who just are filled with that sense of what's right, what's wrong. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| They also kick me around. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| They keep me honest. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| They don't let me get away with anything. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I can sometimes take myself too seriously. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| They surely don't let me do that. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And I'm blessed, as I think the president is blessed, as I said last time. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I've watched him with the first lady, who I admire a great deal, and his daughters. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| He's a great father. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And I think we're both very lucky. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Well, gentlemen, that brings us to the closing statements. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Senator Kerry, I believe you're first. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| My fellow Americans, as you heard from Bob Schieffer a moment ago, America is being tested by division. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| More than ever, we need to be united as a country. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And, like Franklin Roosevelt, I don't care whether an idea is a Republican idea or a Democrat idea. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I just care whether it works for America and whether it's going to make us stronger. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| These are dangerous times. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I believe I offer tested, strong leadership that can calm the waters of the troubled world. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And I believe that we can together do things that are within the grasp of Americans. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We can lift our schools up. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We can create jobs that pay more than the jobs we're losing overseas. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We can have health care for all Americans. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We can further the cause of equality in our nation. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Let me just make it clear: I will never allow any country to have a veto over our security. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Just as I fought for our country as a young man, with the same passion I will fight to defend this nation that I love. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And, with faith in God and with conviction in the mission of America, I believe that we can reach higher. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I believe we can do better. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I think the greatest possibilities of our country, our dreams and our hopes, are out there just waiting for us to grab onto them. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And I ask you to embark on that journey with me. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I ask you for your trust. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I ask you for your help. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I ask you to allow me the privilege of leading this great nation of ours, of helping us to be stronger here at home and to be respected again in the world and, most of all, to be safer forever. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Thank you. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Goodnight. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And God bless the United States of America. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Mr. President? | Bob Schieffer | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| In the Oval Office, there's a painting by a friend of Laura and mine named -- by Tom Lee. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And it's a West Texas painting, a painting of a mountain scene. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And he said this about it. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| He said, "Sarah and I live on the east side of the mountain. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| It's the sunrise side, not the sunset side. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| It's the side to see the day that is coming, not to see the day that is gone. " | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I love the optimism in that painting, because that's how I feel about America. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And we've been through a lot together during the last 3 3/4 years. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We've come through a recession, a stock market decline, an attack on our country. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And yet, because of the hard work of the American people and good policies, this economy is growing. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Over the next four years, we'll make sure the economy continues to grow. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We reformed our school system, and now there's an achievement gap in America that's beginning to close. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Over the next four years, we'll continue to insist on excellence in every classroom in America so that our children have a chance to realize the great promise of America. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Over the next four years, we'll continue to work to make sure health care is available and affordable. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Over the next four years, we'll continue to rally the armies of compassion, to help heal the hurt that exists in some of our country's neighborhoods. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I'm optimistic that we'll win the war on terror, but I understand it requires firm resolve and clear purpose. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We must never waver in the face of this enemy that -- these ideologues of hate. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| And as we pursue the enemy wherever it exists, we'll also spread freedom and liberty. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| We got great faith in the ability of liberty to transform societies, to convert a hostile world to a peaceful world. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| My hope for America is a prosperous America, a hopeful America and a safer world. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I want to thank you for listening tonight. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| I'm asking for your vote. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| God bless you. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 13 Oct 2004 |
| Good evening from the University of Miami Convocation Center in Coral Gables, Florida. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I'm Jim Lehrer of "The NewsHour" on PBS. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And I welcome you to the first of the 2004 presidential debates between President George W. Bush, the Republican nominee, and Senator John Kerry, the Democratic nominee. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| These debates are sponsored by the Commission on Presidential Debates. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Tonight's will last 90 minutes, following detailed rules of engagement worked out by representatives of the candidates. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I have agreed to enforce their rules on them. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| The umbrella topic is foreign policy and homeland security, but the specific subjects were chosen by me, the questions were composed by me, the candidates have not been told what they are, nor has anyone else. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| For each question there can only be a two-minute response, a 90- second rebuttal and, at my discretion, a discussion extension of one minute. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| A green light will come on when 30 seconds remain in any given answer, yellow at 15, red at five seconds, and then flashing red means time's up. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| There is also a backup buzzer system if needed. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Candidates may not direct a question to each other. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| There will be two-minute closing statements, but no opening statements. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| There is an audience here in the hall, but they will remain absolutely silent for the next 90 minutes, except for now, when they join me in welcoming President Bush and Senator Kerry. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| (APPLAUSE) | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Good evening, Mr. President, Senator Kerry. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| As determined by a coin toss, the first question goes to you, Senator Kerry. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| You have two minutes. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Do you believe you could do a better job than President Bush in preventing another 9/11-type terrorist attack on the United States? | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Yes, I do. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| But before I answer further, let me thank you for moderating. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I want to thank the University of Miami for hosting us. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And I know the president will join me in welcoming all of Florida to this debate. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| You've been through the roughest weeks anybody could imagine. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Our hearts go out to you. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And we admire your pluck and perseverance. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I can make American safer than President Bush has made us. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And I believe President Bush and I both love our country equally. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| But we just have a different set of convictions about how you make America safe. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I believe America is safest and strongest when we are leading the world and we are leading strong alliances. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I'll never give a veto to any country over our security. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| But I also know how to lead those alliances. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| This president has left them in shatters across the globe, and we're now 90 percent of the casualties in Iraq and 90 percent of the costs. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I think that's wrong, and I think we can do better. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I have a better plan for homeland security. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I have a better plan to be able to fight the war on terror by strengthening our military, strengthening our intelligence, by going after the financing more authoritatively, by doing what we need to do to rebuild the alliances, by reaching out to the Muslim world, which the president has almost not done, and beginning to isolate the radical Islamic Muslims, not have them isolate the United States of America. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I know I can do a better job in Iraq. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I have a plan to have a summit with all of the allies, something this president has not yet achieved, not yet been able to do to bring people to the table. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| We can do a better job of training the Iraqi forces to defend themselves, and I know that we can do a better job of preparing for elections. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| All of these, and especially homeland security, which we'll talk about a little bit later. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Mr. President, you have a 90-second rebuttal. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I, too, thank the University of Miami, and say our prayers are with the good people of this state, who've suffered a lot. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| September the 11th changed how America must look at the world. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And since that day, our nation has been on a multi-pronged strategy to keep our country safer. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| We pursued Al Qaida wherever Al Qaida tries to hide. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Seventy-five percent of known Al Qaida leaders have been brought to justice. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| The rest of them know we're after them. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| We've upheld the doctrine that said if you harbor a terrorist, you're equally as guilty as the terrorist. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And the Taliban are no longer in power. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Ten million people have registered to vote in Afghanistan in the upcoming presidential election. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| In Iraq, we saw a threat, and we realized that after September the 11th, we must take threats seriously, before they fully materialize. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Saddam Hussein now sits in a prison cell. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| America and the world are safer for it. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| We continue to pursue our policy of disrupting those who proliferate weapons of mass destruction. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Libya has disarmed. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| The A.Q. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Khan network has been brought to justice. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And, as well, we're pursuing a strategy of freedom around the world, because I understand free nations will reject terror. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Free nations will answer the hopes and aspirations of their people. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Free nations will help us achieve the peace we all want. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| New question, Mr. President, two minutes. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Do you believe the election of Senator Kerry on November the 2nd would increase the chances of the U.S. being hit by another 9/11-type terrorist attack? | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| No, I don't believe it's going to happen. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I believe I'm going to win, because the American people know I know how to lead. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I've shown the American people I know how to lead. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I have -- I understand everybody in this country doesn't agree with the decisions I've made. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And I made some tough decisions. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| But people know where I stand. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| People out there listening know what I believe. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And that's how best it is to keep the peace. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| This nation of ours has got a solemn duty to defeat this ideology of hate. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And that's what they are. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| This is a group of killers who will not only kill here, but kill children in Russia, that'll attack unmercifully in Iraq, hoping to shake our will. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| We have a duty to defeat this enemy. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| We have a duty to protect our children and grandchildren. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| The best way to defeat them is to never waver, to be strong, to use every asset at our disposal, is to constantly stay on the offensive and, at the same time, spread liberty. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And that's what people are seeing now is happening in Afghanistan. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Ten million citizens have registered to vote. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| It's a phenomenal statistic. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| That if given a chance to be free, they will show up at the polls. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Forty-one percent of those 10 million are women. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| In Iraq, no doubt about it, it's tough. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| It's hard work. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| It's incredibly hard. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| You know why? | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Because an enemy realizes the stakes. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| The enemy understands a free Iraq will be a major defeat in their ideology of hatred. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| That's why they're fighting so vociferously. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| They showed up in Afghanistan when they were there, because they tried to beat us and they didn't. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And they're showing up in Iraq for the same reason. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| They're trying to defeat us. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And if we lose our will, we lose. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| But if we remain strong and resolute, we will defeat this enemy. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Ninety second response, Senator Kerry. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I believe in being strong and resolute and determined. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And I will hunt down and kill the terrorists, wherever they are. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| But we also have to be smart, Jim. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And smart means not diverting your attention from the real war on terror in Afghanistan against Osama bin Laden and taking if off to Iraq where the 9/11 Commission confirms there was no connection to 9/11 itself and Saddam Hussein, and where the reason for going to war was weapons of mass destruction, not the removal of Saddam Hussein. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| This president has made, I regret to say, a colossal error of judgment. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And judgment is what we look for in the president of the United States of America. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I'm proud that important military figures who are supporting me in this race: former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff John Shalikashvili; just yesterday, General Eisenhower's son, General John Eisenhower, endorsed me; General Admiral William Crown; General Tony McBeak, who ran the Air Force war so effectively for his father -- all believe I would make a stronger commander in chief. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And they believe it because they know I would not take my eye off of the goal: Osama bin Laden. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Unfortunately, he escaped in the mountains of Tora Bora. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| We had him surrounded. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| But we didn't use American forces, the best trained in the world, to go kill him. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| The president relied on Afghan warlords and he outsourced that job too. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| That's wrong. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| New question, two minutes, Senator Kerry. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| "Colossal misjudgments." | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| What colossal misjudgments, in your opinion, has President Bush made in these areas? | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Well, where do you want me to begin? | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| First of all, he made the misjudgment of saying to America that he was going to build a true alliance, that he would exhaust the remedies of the United Nations and go through the inspections. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| In fact, he first didn't even want to do that. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And it wasn't until former Secretary of State Jim Baker and General Scowcroft and others pushed publicly and said you've got to go to the U.N., that the president finally changed his mind -- his campaign has a word for that -- and went to the United Nations. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Now, once there, we could have continued those inspections. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| We had Saddam Hussein trapped. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| He also promised America that he would go to war as a last resort. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Those words mean something to me, as somebody who has been in combat. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| "Last resort." | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| You've got to be able to look in the eyes of families and say to those parents, "I tried to do everything in my power to prevent the loss of your son and daughter." | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I don't believe the United States did that. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And we pushed our allies aside. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And so, today, we are 90 percent of the casualties and 90 percent of the cost: $200 billion -- $200 billion that could have been used for health care, for schools, for construction, for prescription drugs for seniors, and it's in Iraq. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And Iraq is not even the center of the focus of the war on terror. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| The center is Afghanistan, where, incidentally, there were more Americans killed last year than the year before; where the opium production is 75 percent of the world's opium production; where 40 to 60 percent of the economy of Afghanistan is based on opium; where the elections have been postponed three times. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| The president moved the troops, so he's got 10 times the number of troops in Iraq than he has in Afghanistan, where Osama bin Laden is. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Does that mean that Saddam Hussein was 10 times more important than Osama bin Laden -- than, excuse me, Saddam Hussein more important than Osama bin Laden? | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I don't think so. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Ninety-second response, Mr. President. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| My opponent looked at the same intelligence I looked at and declared in 2002 that Saddam Hussein was a grave threat. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| He also said in December of 2003 that anyone who doubts that the world is safer without Saddam Hussein does not have the judgment to be president. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I agree with him. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| The world is better off without Saddam Hussein. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I was hoping diplomacy would work. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I understand the serious consequences of committing our troops into harm's way. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| It's the hardest decision a president makes. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| So I went to the United Nations. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I didn't need anybody to tell me to go to the United Nations. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I decided to go there myself. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And I went there hoping that, once and for all, the free world would act in concert to get Saddam Hussein to listen to our demands. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| They passed the resolution that said, "Disclose, disarm, or face serious consequences." | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I believe, when an international body speaks, it must mean what it says. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Saddam Hussein had no intention of disarming. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Why should he? | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| He had 16 other resolutions and nothing took place. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| As a matter of fact, my opponent talks about inspectors. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| The facts are that he was systematically deceiving the inspectors. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| That wasn't going to work. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| That's kind of a pre-September 10th mentality, the hope that somehow resolutions and failed inspections would make this world a more peaceful place. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| He was hoping we'd turn away. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| But there was fortunately others beside myself who believed that we ought to take action. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| We did. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| The world is safer without Saddam Hussein. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| New question, Mr. President. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Two minutes. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| What about Senator Kerry's point, the comparison he drew between the priorities of going after Osama bin Laden and going after Saddam Hussein? | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Jim, we've got the capability of doing both. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| As a matter of fact, this is a global effort. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| We're facing a group of folks who have such hatred in their heart, they'll strike anywhere, with any means. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And that's why it's essential that we have strong alliances, and we do. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| That's why it's essential that we make sure that we keep weapons of mass destruction out of the hands of people like Al Qaida, which we are. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| But to say that there's only one focus on the war on terror doesn't really understand the nature of the war on terror. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Of course we're after Saddam Hussein -- I mean bin Laden. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| He's isolated. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Seventy-five percent of his people have been brought to justice. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| The killer -- the mastermind of the September 11th attacks, Khalid Sheik Mohammed, is in prison. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| We're making progress. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| But the front on this war is more than just one place. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| The Philippines -- we've got help -- we're helping them there to bring -- to bring Al Qaida affiliates to justice there. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And, of course, Iraq is a central part in the war on terror. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| That's why Zarqawi and his people are trying to fight us. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Their hope is that we grow weary and we leave. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| The biggest disaster that could happen is that we not succeed in Iraq. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| We will succeed. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| We've got a plan to do so. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And the main reason we'll succeed is because the Iraqis want to be free. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I had the honor of visiting with Prime Minister Allawi. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| He's a strong, courageous leader. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| He believes in the freedom of the Iraqi people. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| He doesn't want U.S. leadership, however, to send mixed signals, to not stand with the Iraqi people. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| He believes, like I believe, that the Iraqis are ready to fight for their own freedom. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| They just need the help to be trained. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| There will be elections in January. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| We're spending reconstruction money. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And our alliance is strong. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| That's the plan for victory. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And when Iraq if free, America will be more secure. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Senator Kerry, 90 seconds. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| The president just talked about Iraq as a center of the war on terror. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Iraq was not even close to the center of the war on terror before the president invaded it. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| The president made the judgment to divert forces from under General Tommy Franks from Afghanistan before the Congress even approved it to begin to prepare to go to war in Iraq. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And he rushed the war in Iraq without a plan to win the peace. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Now, that is not the judgment that a president of the United States ought to make. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| You don't take America to war unless have the plan to win the peace. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| You don't send troops to war without the body armor that they need. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I've met kids in Ohio, parents in Wisconsin places, Iowa, where they're going out on the Internet to get the state-of-the-art body gear to send to their kids. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Some of them got it for a birthday present. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I think that's wrong. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Humvees -- 10,000 out of 12,000 Humvees that are over there aren't armored. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And you go visit some of those kids in the hospitals today who were maimed because they don't have the armament. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| This president just -- I don't know if he sees what's really happened over there. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| But it's getting worse by the day. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| More soldiers killed in June than before. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| More in July than June. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| More in August than July. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| More in September than in August. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And now we see beheadings. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And we got weapons of mass destruction crossing the border every single day, and they're blowing people up. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And we don't have enough troops there. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Can I respond to that? | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Let's do one of these one-minute extensions. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| You have 30 seconds. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Thank you, sir. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| First of all, what my opponent wants you to forget is that he voted to authorize the use of force and now says it's the wrong war at the wrong time at the wrong place. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I don't see how you can lead this country to succeed in Iraq if you say wrong war, wrong time, wrong place. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| What message does that send our troops? | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| What message does that send to our allies? | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| What message does that send the Iraqis? | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| No, the way to win this is to be steadfast and resolved and to follow through on the plan that I've just outlined. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Thirty seconds, Senator. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Yes, we have to be steadfast and resolved, and I am. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And I will succeed for those troops, now that we're there. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| We have to succeed. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| We can't leave a failed Iraq. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| But that doesn't mean it wasn't a mistake of judgment to go there and take the focus off of Osama bin Laden. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| It was. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Now, we can succeed. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| But I don't believe this president can. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I think we need a president who has the credibility to bring the allies back to the table and to do what's necessary to make it so America isn't doing this alone. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| We'll come back to Iraq in a moment. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| But I want to come back to where I began, on homeland security. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| This is a two-minute new question, Senator Kerry. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| As president, what would you do, specifically, in addition to or differently to increase the homeland security of the United States than what President Bush is doing? | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Jim, let me tell you exactly what I'll do. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And there are a long list of thing. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| First of all, what kind of mixed message does it send when you have $500 million going over to Iraq to put police officers in the streets of Iraq, and the president is cutting the COPS program in America? | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| What kind of message does it send to be sending money to open firehouses in Iraq, but we're shutting firehouses who are the first- responders here in America. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| The president hasn't put one nickel, not one nickel into the effort to fix some of our tunnels and bridges and most exposed subway systems. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| That's why they had to close down the subway in New York when the Republican Convention was there. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| We hadn't done the work that ought to be done. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| The president -- 95 percent of the containers that come into the ports, right here in Florida, are not inspected. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Civilians get onto aircraft, and their luggage is X-rayed, but the cargo hold is not X- rayed. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Does that make you feel safer in America? | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| This president thought it was more important to give the wealthiest people in America a tax cut rather than invest in homeland security. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Those aren't my values. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I believe in protecting America first. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And long before President Bush and I get a tax cut -- and that's who gets it -- long before we do, I'm going to invest in homeland security and I'm going to make sure we're not cutting COPS programs in America and we're fully staffed in our firehouses and that we protect the nuclear and chemical plants. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| The president also unfortunately gave in to the chemical industry, which didn't want to do some of the things necessary to strengthen our chemical plant exposure. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And there's an enormous undone job to protect the loose nuclear materials in the world that are able to get to terrorists. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| That's a whole other subject, but I see we still have a little bit more time. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Let me just quickly say, at the current pace, the president will not secure the loose material in the Soviet Union -- former Soviet Union for 13 years. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I'm going to do it in four years. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And we're going to keep it out of the hands of terrorists. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Ninety-second response, Mr. President. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I don't think we want to get to how he's going to pay for all these promises. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| It's like a huge tax gap. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Anyway, that's for another debate. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| My administration has tripled the amount of money we're spending on homeland security to $30 billion a year. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| My administration worked with the Congress to create the Department of Homeland Security so we could better coordinate our borders and ports. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| We've got 1,000 extra border patrol on the southern border; want 1,000 on the northern border. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| We're modernizing our borders. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| We spent $3.1 billion for fire and police, $3.1 billion. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| We're doing our duty to provide the funding. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| But the best way to protect this homeland is to stay on the offense. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| You know, we have to be right 100 percent of the time. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And the enemy only has to be right once to hurt us. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| There's a lot of good people working hard. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And by the way, we've also changed the culture of the FBI to have counterterrorism as its number one priority. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| We're communicating better. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| We're going to reform our intelligence services to make sure that we get the best intelligence possible. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| The Patriot Act is vital -- is vital that the Congress renew the Patriot Act which enables our law enforcement to disrupt terror cells. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| But again, I repeat to my fellow citizens, the best way to protection is to stay on the offense. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Yes, let's do a little -- yes, 30 seconds. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| The president just said the FBI had changed its culture. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| We just read on the front pages of America's papers that there are over 100,000 hours of tapes, unlistened to. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| On one of those tapes may be the enemy being right the next time. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And the test is not whether you're spending more money. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| The test is, are you doing everything possible to make America safe? | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| We didn't need that tax cut. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| America needed to be safe. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Of course we're doing everything we can to protect America. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I wake up every day thinking about how best to protect America. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| That's my job. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I work with Director Mueller of the FBI; comes in my office when I'm in Washington every morning, talking about how to protect us. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| There's a lot of really good people working hard to do so. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| It's hard work. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| But, again, I want to tell the American people, we're doing everything we can at home, but you better have a president who chases these terrorists down and bring them to justice before they hurt us again. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| New question, Mr. President. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Two minutes. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| What criteria would you use to determine when to start bringing U.S. troops home from Iraq? | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Let me first tell you that the best way for Iraq to be safe and secure is for Iraqi citizens to be trained to do the job. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And that's what we're doing. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| We've got 100,000 trained now, 125,000 by the end of this year, 200,000 by the end of next year. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| That is the best way. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| We'll never succeed in Iraq if the Iraqi citizens do not want to take matters into their own hands to protect themselves. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I believe they want to. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Prime Minister Allawi believes they want to. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And so the best indication about when we can bring our troops home -- which I really want to do, but I don't want to do so for the sake of bringing them home; I want to do so because we've achieved an objective -- is to see the Iraqis perform and to see the Iraqis step up and take responsibility. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And so, the answer to your question is: When our general is on the ground and Ambassador Negroponte tells me that Iraq is ready to defend herself from these terrorists, that elections will have been held by then, that their stability and that they're on their way to, you know, a nation that's free; that's when. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And I hope it's as soon as possible. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| But I know putting artificial deadlines won't work. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| My opponent at one time said, "Well, get me elected, I'll have them out of there in six months." | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| You can't do that and expect to win the war on terror. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| My message to our troops is, "Thank you for what you're doing. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| We're standing with you strong. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| We'll give you all the equipment you need. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And we'll get you home as soon as the mission's done, because this is a vital mission." | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| A free Iraq will be an ally in the war on terror, and that's essential. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| A free Iraq will set a powerful example in the part of the world that is desperate for freedom. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| A free Iraq will help secure Israel. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| A free Iraq will enforce the hopes and aspirations of the reformers in places like Iran. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| A free Iraq is essential for the security of this country. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Ninety seconds, Senator Kerry. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Thank you, Jim. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| My message to the troops is also: Thank you for what they're doing, but it's also help is on the way. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I believe those troops deserve better than what they are getting today. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| You know, it's interesting. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| When I was in a rope line just the other day, coming out here from Wisconsin, a couple of young returnees were in the line, one active duty, one from the Guard. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And they both looked at me and said: We need you. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| You've got to help us over there. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Now I believe there's a better way to do this. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| You know, the president's father did not go into Iraq, into Baghdad, beyond Basra. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And the reason he didn't is, he said -- he wrote in his book -- because there was no viable exit strategy. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And he said our troops would be occupiers in a bitterly hostile land. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| That's exactly where we find ourselves today. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| There's a sense of American occupation. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| The only building that was guarded when the troops when into Baghdad was the oil ministry. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| We didn't guard the nuclear facilities. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| We didn't guard the foreign office, where you might have found information about weapons of mass destruction. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| We didn't guard the borders. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Almost every step of the way, our troops have been left on these extraordinarily difficult missions. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I know what it's like to go out on one of those missions when you don't know what's around the corner. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And I believe our troops need other allies helping. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I'm going to hold that summit. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I will bring fresh credibility, a new start, and we will get the job done right. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| All right, go ahead. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Yes, sir? | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I think it's worthy for a follow-up. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Sure, right. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| We can do 30 seconds each here. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| All right. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| My opponent says help is on the way, but what kind of message does it say to our troops in harm's way, "wrong war, wrong place, wrong time"? | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Not a message a commander in chief gives, or this is a "great diversion." | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| As well, help is on the way, but it's certainly hard to tell it when he voted against the $87-billion supplemental to provide equipment for our troops, and then said he actually did vote for it before he voted against it. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Not what a commander in chief does when you're trying to lead troops. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Senator Kerry, 30 seconds. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Well, you know, when I talked about the $87 billion, I made a mistake in how I talk about the war. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| But the president made a mistake in invading Iraq. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Which is worse? | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I believe that when you know something's going wrong, you make it right. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| That's what I learned in Vietnam. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| When I came back from that war I saw that it was wrong. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Some people don't like the fact that I stood up to say no, but I did. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And that's what I did with that vote. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And I'm going to lead those troops to victory. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| All right, new question. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Two minutes, Senator Kerry. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Speaking of Vietnam, you spoke to Congress in 1971, after you came back from Vietnam, and you said, quote, "How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?" | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Are Americans now dying in Iraq for a mistake? | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| No, and they don't have to, providing we have the leadership that we put -- that I'm offering. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I believe that we have to win this. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| The president and I have always agreed on that. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And from the beginning, I did vote to give the authority, because I thought Saddam Hussein was a threat, and I did accept that intelligence. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| But I also laid out a very strict series of things we needed to do in order to proceed from a position of strength. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Then the president, in fact, promised them. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| He went to Cincinnati and he gave a speech in which he said, "We will plan carefully. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| We will proceed cautiously. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| We will not make war inevitable. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| We will go with our allies." | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| He didn't do any of those things. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| They didn't do the planning. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| They left the planning of the State Department in the State Department desks. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| They avoided even the advice of their own general. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| General Shinsheki, the Army chief of staff, said you're going to need several hundred thousand troops. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Instead of listening to him, they retired him. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| The terrorism czar, who has worked for every president since Ronald Reagan, said, "Invading Iraq in response to 9/11 would be like Franklin Roosevelt invading Mexico in response to Pearl Harbor." | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| That's what we have here. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And what we need now is a president who understands how to bring these other countries together to recognize their stakes in this. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| They do have stakes in it. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| They've always had stakes in it. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| The Arab countries have a stake in not having a civil war. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| The European countries have a stake in not having total disorder on their doorstep. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| But this president hasn't even held the kind of statesman-like summits that pull people together and get them to invest in those states. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| In fact, he's done the opposite. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| He pushed them away. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| When the Secretary General Kofi Annan offered the United Nations, he said, "No, no, we'll go do this alone." | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| To save for Halliburton the spoils of the war, they actually issued a memorandum from the Defense Department saying, "If you weren't with us in the war, don't bother applying for any construction." | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| That's not a way to invite people. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Ninety seconds. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| That's totally absurd. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Of course, the U.N. was invited in. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And we support the U.N. efforts there. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| They pulled out after Sergio de Mello got killed. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| But they're now back in helping with elections. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| My opponent says we didn't have any allies in this war. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| What's he say to Tony Blair? | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| What's he say to Alexander Kwasniewski of Poland? | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| You can't expect to build an alliance when you denigrate the contributions of those who are serving side by side with American troops in Iraq. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Plus, he says the cornerstone of his plan to succeed in Iraq is to call upon nations to serve. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| So what's the message going to be: "Please join us in Iraq. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| For a grand diversion. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Join us for a war that is the wrong war at the wrong place at the wrong time?" | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I know how these people think. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I deal with them all the time. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I sit down with the world leaders frequently and talk to them on the phone frequently. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| They're not going to follow somebody who says, "This is the wrong war at the wrong place at the wrong time." | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| They're not going to follow somebody who says this is the wrong war at the wrong place at the wrong time. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| They're not going to follow somebody whose core convictions keep changing because of politics in America. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And finally, he says we ought to have a summit. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Well, there are summits being held. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Japan is going to have a summit for the donors; $14 billion pledged. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And Prime Minister Koizumi is going to call countries to account, to get them to contribute. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And there's going to be an Arab summit, of the neighborhood countries. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And Colin Powell helped set up that summit. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| 30 seconds, Senator. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| The United Nations, Kofi Annan offered help after Baghdad fell. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And we never picked him up on that and did what was necessary to transfer authority and to transfer reconstruction. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| It was always American-run. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Secondly, when we went in, there were three countries: Great Britain, Australia and the United States. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| That's not a grand coalition. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| We can do better. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Thirty seconds, Mr. President. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Well, actually, he forgot Poland. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And now there's 30 nations involved, standing side by side with our American troops. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And I honor their sacrifices. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And I don't appreciate it when a candidate for president denigrates the contributions of these brave soldiers. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| You cannot lead the world if you do not honor the contributions of those who are with us. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| He called them coerced and the bribed. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| That's not how you bring people together. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Our coalition is strong. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| It will remain strong, so long as I'm the president. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| New question, Mr. President, two minutes. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| You have said there was a, quote, "miscalculation," of what the conditions would be in post-war Iraq. | Jim Lehrer | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| What was the miscalculation, and how did it happen? | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| No, what I said was that, because we achieved such a rapid victory, more of the Saddam loyalists were around. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I mean, we thought we'd whip more of them going in. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| But because Tommy Franks did such a great job in planning the operations, we moved rapidly, and a lot of the Baathists and Saddam loyalists laid down their arms and disappeared. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I thought they would stay and fight, but they didn't. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And now we're fighting them now. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And it's hard work. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I understand how hard it is. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I get the casualty reports every day. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I see on the TV screens how hard it is. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| But it's necessary work. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And I'm optimistic. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals to our troops, our friends, the Iraqi citizens. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| We've got a plan in place. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| The plan says there will be elections in January, and there will be. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| The plan says we'll train Iraqi soldiers so they can do the hard work, and we are. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And it's not only just America, but NATO is now helping, Jordan's helping train police, UAE is helping train police. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| We've allocated $7 billion over the next months for reconstruction efforts. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And we're making progress there. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And our alliance is strong. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And as I just told you, there's going to be a summit of the Arab nations. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Japan will be hosting a summit. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| We're making progress. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| It is hard work. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| It is hard work to go from a tyranny to a democracy. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| It's hard work to go from a place where people get their hands cut off, or executed, to a place where people are free. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| But it's necessary work. | George W. Bush | NaN | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And a free Iraq is going to make this world a more peaceful place. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Ninety seconds, Senator Kerry. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| What I think troubles a lot of people in our country is that the president has just sort of described one kind of mistake. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| But what he has said is that, even knowing there were no weapons of mass destruction, even knowing there was no imminent threat, even knowing there was no connection with Al Qaida, he would still have done everything the same way. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Those are his words. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Now, I would not. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| So what I'm trying to do is just talk the truth to the American people and to the world. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| The truth is what good policy is based on. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| It's what leadership is based on. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| The president says that I'm denigrating these troops. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I have nothing but respect for the British, Tony Blair, and for what they've been willing to do. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| But you can't tell me that when the most troops any other country has on the ground is Great Britain, with 8,300, and below that the four others are below 4,000, and below that, there isn't anybody out of the hundreds, that we have a genuine coalition to get this job done. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| You can't tell me that on the day that we went into that war and it started -- it was principally the United States, the America and Great Britain and one or two others. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| That's it. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And today, we are 90 percent of the casualties and 90 percent of the costs. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And meanwhile, North Korea has got nuclear weapons. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Talk about mixed messages. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| The president is the one that said, "We can't allow countries to get nuclear weapons." | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| They have. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I'll change that. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| New question. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Senator Kerry, two minutes. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| You just -- you've repeatedly accused President Bush -- not here tonight, but elsewhere before -- of not telling the truth about Iraq, essentially of lying to the American people about Iraq. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Give us some examples of what you consider to be his not telling the truth. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Well, I've never, ever used the harshest word, as you did just then. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And I try not to. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I've been -- but I'll nevertheless tell you that I think he has not been candid with the American people. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And I'll tell you exactly how. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| First of all, we all know that in his state of the union message, he told Congress about nuclear materials that didn't exist. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| We know that he promised America that he was going to build this coalition. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I just described the coalition. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| It is not the kind of coalition we were described when we were talking about voting for this. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| The president said he would exhaust the remedies of the United Nations and go through that full process. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| He didn't. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| He cut if off, sort of arbitrarily. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And we know that there were further diplomatic efforts under way. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| They just decided the time for diplomacy is over and rushed to war without planning for what happens afterwards. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Now, he misled the American people in his speech when he said we will plan carefully. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| They obviously didn't. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| He misled the American people when he said we'd go to war as a last resort. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| We did not go as a last resort. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And most Americans know the difference. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Now, this has cost us deeply in the world. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I believe that it is important to tell the truth to the American people. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I've worked with those leaders the president talks about, I've worked with them for 20 years, for longer than this president. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And I know what many of them say today, and I know how to bring them back to the table. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And I believe that a fresh start, new credibility, a president who can understand what we have to do to reach out to the Muslim world to make it clear that this is not, you know -- Osama bin Laden uses the invasion of Iraq in order to go out to people and say that America has declared war on Islam. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| We need to be smarter about now we wage a war on terror. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| We need to deny them the recruits. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| We need to deny them the safe havens. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| We need to rebuild our alliances. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I believe that Ronald Reagan, John Kennedy, and the others did that more effectively, and I'm going to try to follow in their footsteps. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Ninety seconds, Mr. President. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| My opponent just said something amazing. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| He said Osama bin Laden uses the invasion of Iraq as an excuse to spread hatred for America. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Osama bin Laden isn't going to determine how we defend ourselves. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Osama bin Laden doesn't get to decide. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| The American people decide. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I decided the right action was in Iraq. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| My opponent calls it a mistake. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| It wasn't a mistake. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| He said I misled on Iraq. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I don't think he was misleading when he called Iraq a grave threat in the fall of 2002. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I don't think he was misleading when he said that it was right to disarm Iraq in the spring of 2003. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I don't think he misled you when he said that, you know, anyone who doubted whether the world was better off without Saddam Hussein in power didn't have the judgment to be president. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I don't think he was misleading. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I think what is misleading is to say you can lead and succeed in Iraq if you keep changing your positions on this war. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And he has. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| As the politics change, his positions change. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And that's not how a commander in chief acts. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Let me finish. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| The intelligence I looked at was the same intelligence my opponent looked at, the very same intelligence. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And when I stood up there and spoke to the Congress, I was speaking off the same intelligence he looked at to make his decisions to support the authorization of force. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Thirty seconds. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| We'll do a 30 second here. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I wasn't misleading when I said he was a threat. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Nor was I misleading on the day that the president decided to go to war when I said that he had made a mistake in not building strong alliances and that I would have preferred that he did more diplomacy. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I've had one position, one consistent position, that Saddam Hussein was a threat. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| There was a right way to disarm him and a wrong way. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And the president chose the wrong way. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Thirty seconds, Mr. President. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| The only thing consistent about my opponent's position is that he's been inconsistent. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| He changes positions. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And you cannot change positions in this war on terror if you expect to win. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And I expect to win. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| It's necessary we win. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| We're being challenged like never before. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And we have a duty to our country and to future generations of America to achieve a free Iraq, a free Afghanistan, and to rid the world of weapons of mass destruction. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| New question, Mr. President. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Two minutes. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Has the war in Iraq been worth the cost of American lives, 1,052 as of today? | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| You know, every life is precious. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Every life matters. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| You know, my hardest -- the hardest part of the job is to know that I committed the troops in harm's way and then do the best I can to provide comfort for the loved ones who lost a son or a daughter or a husband or wife. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| You know, I think about Missy Johnson. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| She's a fantastic lady I met in Charlotte, North Carolina. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| She and her son Bryan, they came to see me. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Her husband PJ got killed. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| He'd been in Afghanistan, went to Iraq. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| You know, it's hard work to try to love her as best as I can, knowing full well that the decision I made caused her loved one to be in harm's way. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I told her after we prayed and teared up and laughed some that I thought her husband's sacrifice was noble and worthy. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Because I understand the stakes of this war on terror. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I understand that we must find Al Qaida wherever they hide. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| We must deal with threats before they fully materialize. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And Saddam Hussein was a threat, and that we must spread liberty because in the long run, the way to defeat hatred and tyranny and oppression is to spread freedom. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Missy understood that. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| That's what she told me her husband understood. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| So you say, "Was it worth it?" | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Every life is precious. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| That's what distinguishes us from the enemy. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Everybody matters. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| But I think it's worth it, Jim. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I think it's worth it, because I think -- I know in the long term a free Iraq, a free Afghanistan, will set such a powerful example in a part of the world that's desperate for freedom. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| It will help change the world; that we can look back and say we did our duty. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Senator, 90 seconds. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I understand what the president is talking about, because I know what it means to lose people in combat. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And the question, is it worth the cost, reminds me of my own thinking when I came back from fighting in that war. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And it reminds me that it is vital for us not to confuse the war, ever, with the warriors. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| That happened before. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And that's one of the reasons why I believe I can get this job done, because I am determined for those soldiers and for those families, for those kids who put their lives on the line. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| That is noble. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| That's the most noble thing that anybody can do. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And I want to make sure the outcome honors that nobility. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Now, we have a choice here. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I've laid out a plan by which I think we can be successful in Iraq: with a summit, by doing better training, faster, by cutting -- by doing what we need to do with respect to the U.N. and the elections. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| There's only 25 percent of the people in there. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| They can't have an election right now. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| The president's not getting the job done. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| So the choice for America is, you can have a plan that I've laid out in four points, each of which I can tell you more about or you can go to johnkerry.com and see more of it; or you have the president's plan, which is four words: more of the same. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I think my plan is better. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And my plan has a better chance of standing up and fighting for those troops. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I will never let those troops down, and will hunt and kill the terrorists wherever they are. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| All right, sir, go ahead. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Thirty seconds. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Yes, I understand what it means to the commander in chief. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And if I were to ever say, "This is the wrong war at the wrong time at the wrong place," the troops would wonder, how can I follow this guy? | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| You cannot lead the war on terror if you keep changing positions on the war on terror and say things like, "Well, this is just a grand diversion." | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| It's not a grand diversion. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| This is an essential that we get it right. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And so, the plan he talks about simply won't work. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Senator Kerry, you have 30 seconds. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| You have 30 seconds, right. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And then the president. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Secretary of State Colin Powell told this president the Pottery Barn rule: If you break it, you fix it. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Now, if you break it, you made a mistake. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| It's the wrong thing to do. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| But you own it. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And then you've got to fix it and do something with it. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Now that's what we have to do. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| There's no inconsistency. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Soldiers know over there that this isn't being done right yet. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I'm going to get it right for those soldiers, because it's important to Israel, it's important to America, it's important to the world, it's important to the fight on terror. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| But I have a plan to do it. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| He doesn't. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Speaking of your plan, new question, Senator Kerry. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Two minutes. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Can you give us specifics, in terms of a scenario, time lines, et cetera, for ending major U.S. military involvement in Iraq? | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| The time line that I've set out -- and again, I want to correct the president, because he's misled again this evening on what I've said. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I didn't say I would bring troops out in six months. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I said, if we do the things that I've set out and we are successful, we could begin to draw the troops down in six months. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And I think a critical component of success in Iraq is being able to convince the Iraqis and the Arab world that the United States doesn't have long-term designs on it. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| As I understand it, we're building some 14 military bases there now, and some people say they've got a rather permanent concept to them. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| When you guard the oil ministry, but you don't guard the nuclear facilities, the message to a lot of people is maybe, "Wow, maybe they're interested in our oil." | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Now, the problem is that they didn't think these things through properly. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And these are the things you have to think through. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| What I want to do is change the dynamics on the ground. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And you have to do that by beginning to not back off of the Fallujahs and other places, and send the wrong message to the terrorists. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| You have to close the borders. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| You've got to show you're serious in that regard. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| But you've also got to show that you are prepared to bring the rest of the world in and share the stakes. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I will make a flat statement: The United States of America has no long-term designs on staying in Iraq. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And our goal in my administration would be to get all of the troops out of there with a minimal amount you need for training and logistics as we do in some other countries in the world after a war to be able to sustain the peace. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| But that's how we're going to win the peace, by rapidly training the Iraqis themselves. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Even the administration has admitted they haven't done the training, because they came back to Congress a few weeks ago and asked for a complete reprogramming of the money. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Now what greater admission is there, 16 months afterwards. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| "Oops, we haven't done the job. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| We have to start to spend the money now. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Will you guys give us permission to shift it over into training?" | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Ninety seconds. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| There are 100,000 troops trained, police, guard, special units, border patrol. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| There's going to be 125,000 trained by the end of this year. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Yes, we're getting the job done. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| It's hard work. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Everybody knows it's hard work, because there's a determined enemy that's trying to defeat us. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Now, my opponent says he's going to try to change the dynamics on the ground. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Well, Prime Minister Allawi was here. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| He is the leader of that country. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| He's a brave, brave man. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| When he came, after giving a speech to the Congress, my opponent questioned his credibility. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| You can't change the dynamics on the ground if you've criticized the brave leader of Iraq. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| One of his campaign people alleged that Prime Minister Allawi was like a puppet. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| That's no way to treat somebody who's courageous and brave, that is trying to lead his country forward. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| The way to make sure that we succeed is to send consistent, sound messages to the Iraqi people that when we give our word, we will keep our word, that we stand with you, that we believe you want to be free. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And I do. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I believe that 25 million people, the vast majority, long to have elections. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I reject this notion -- and I'm suggesting my opponent isn't -- I reject the notion that some say that if you're Muslim you can't free, you don't desire freedom. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I disagree, strongly disagree with that. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Thirty seconds. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I couldn't agree more that the Iraqis want to be free and that they could be free. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| But I think the president, again, still hasn't shown how he's going to go about it the right way. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| He has more of the same. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Now, Prime Minister Allawi came here, and he said the terrorists are pouring over the border. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| That's Allawi's assessment. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| The national intelligence assessment that was given to the president in July said, best-case scenario, more of the same of what we see today; worst-case scenario, civil war. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I can do better. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Yes, let me... | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Yes, 30 seconds. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| The reason why Prime Minister Allawi said they're coming across the border is because he recognizes that this is a central part of the war on terror. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| They're fighting us because they're fighting freedom. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| They understand that a free Afghanistan or a free Iraq will be a major defeat for them. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And those are the stakes. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And that's why it is essential we not leave. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| That's why it's essential we hold the line. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| That's why it's essential we win. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And we will. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Under my leadership we're going to win this war in Iraq. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Mr. President, new question. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Two minutes. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Does the Iraq experience make it more likely or less likely that you would take the United States into another preemptive military action? | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I would hope I never have to. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I understand how hard it is to commit troops. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Never wanted to commit troops. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| When I was running -- when we had the debate in 2000, never dreamt I'd be doing that. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| But the enemy attacked us, Jim, and I have a solemn duty to protect the American people, to do everything I can to protect us. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I think that by speaking clearly and doing what we say and not sending mixed messages, it is less likely we'll ever have to use troops. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| But a president must always be willing to use troops. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| It must -- as a last resort. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I was hopeful diplomacy would work in Iraq. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| It was falling apart. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| There was no doubt in my mind that Saddam Hussein was hoping that the world would turn a blind eye. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And if he had been in power, in other words, if we would have said, "Let the inspectors work, or let's, you know, hope to talk him out. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Maybe an 18th resolution would work," he would have been stronger and tougher, and the world would have been a lot worse off. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| There's just no doubt in my mind we would rue the day, had Saddam Hussein been in power. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| So we use diplomacy every chance we get, believe me. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And I would hope to never have to use force. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| But by speaking clearly and sending messages that we mean what we say, we've affected the world in a positive way. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Look at Libya. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Libya was a threat. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Libya is now peacefully dismantling its weapons programs. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Libya understood that America and others will enforce doctrine and that the world is better for it. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| So to answer your question, I would hope we never have to. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I think by acting firmly and decisively, it will mean it is less likely we have to use force. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Senator Kerry, 90 seconds. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Jim, the president just said something extraordinarily revealing and frankly very important in this debate. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| In answer to your question about Iraq and sending people into Iraq, he just said, "The enemy attacked us." | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Saddam Hussein didn't attack us. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Osama bin Laden attacked us. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Al Qaida attacked us. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And when we had Osama bin Laden cornered in the mountains of Tora Bora, 1,000 of his cohorts with him in those mountains. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| With the American military forces nearby and in the field, we didn't use the best trained troops in the world to go kill the world's number one criminal and terrorist. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| They outsourced the job to Afghan warlords, who only a week earlier had been on the other side fighting against us, neither of whom trusted each other. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| That's the enemy that attacked us. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| That's the enemy that was allowed to walk out of those mountains. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| That's the enemy that is now in 60 countries, with stronger recruits. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| He also said Saddam Hussein would have been stronger. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| That is just factually incorrect. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Two-thirds of the country was a no-fly zone when we started this war. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| We would have had sanctions. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| We would have had the U.N. inspectors. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Saddam Hussein would have been continually weakening. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| If the president had shown the patience to go through another round of resolution, to sit down with those leaders, say, "What do you need, what do you need now, how much more will it take to get you to join us?" | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| we'd be in a stronger place today. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Thirty seconds. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| First of all, of course I know Osama bin Laden attacked us. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I know that. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And secondly, to think that another round of resolutions would have caused Saddam Hussein to disarm, disclose, is ludicrous, in my judgment. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| It just shows a significant difference of opinion. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| We tried diplomacy. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| We did our best. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| He was hoping to turn a blind eye. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And, yes, he would have been stronger had we not dealt with him. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| He had the capability of making weapons, and he would have made weapons. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Thirty seconds, Senator. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Thirty-five to forty countries in the world had a greater capability of making weapons at the moment the president invaded than Saddam Hussein. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And while he's been diverted, with 9 out of 10 active duty divisions of our Army, either going to Iraq, coming back from Iraq, or getting ready to go, North Korea's gotten nuclear weapons and the world is more dangerous. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Iran is moving toward nuclear weapons and the world is more dangerous. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Darfur has a genocide. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| The world is more dangerous. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I'd have made a better choice. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| New question. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Two minutes, Senator Kerry. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| What is your position on the whole concept of preemptive war? | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| The president always has the right, and always has had the right, for preemptive strike. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| That was a great doctrine throughout the Cold War. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And it was always one of the things we argued about with respect to arms control. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| No president, through all of American history, has ever ceded, and nor would I, the right to preempt in any way necessary to protect the United States of America. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| But if and when you do it, Jim, you have to do it in a way that passes the test, that passes the global test where your countrymen, your people understand fully why you're doing what you're doing and you can prove to the world that you did it for legitimate reasons. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Here we have our own secretary of state who has had to apologize to the world for the presentation he made to the United Nations. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I mean, we can remember when President Kennedy in the Cuban missile crisis sent his secretary of state to Paris to meet with DeGaulle. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And in the middle of the discussion, to tell them about the missiles in Cuba, he said, "Here, let me show you the photos." | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And DeGaulle waved them off and said, "No, no, no, no. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| The word of the president of the United States is good enough for me." | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| How many leaders in the world today would respond to us, as a result of what we've done, in that way? | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| So what is at test here is the credibility of the United States of America and how we lead the world. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And Iran and Iraq are now more dangerous -- Iran and North Korea are now more dangerous. | Jim Lehrer | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Now, whether preemption is ultimately what has to happen, I don't know yet. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| But I'll tell you this: As president, I'll never take my eye off that ball. | Jim Lehrer | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I've been fighting for proliferation the entire time -- anti-proliferation the entire time I've been in the Congress. | Jim Lehrer | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And we've watched this president actually turn away from some of the treaties that were on the table. | Jim Lehrer | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| You don't help yourself with other nations when you turn away from the global warming treaty, for instance, or when you refuse to deal at length with the United Nations. | Jim Lehrer | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| You have to earn that respect. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And I think we have a lot of earning back to do. | Jim Lehrer | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Ninety seconds. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Let me -- I'm not exactly sure what you mean, "passes the global test," you take preemptive action if you pass a global test. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| My attitude is you take preemptive action in order to protect the American people, that you act in order to make this country secure. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| My opponent talks about me not signing certain treaties. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Let me tell you one thing I didn't sign, and I think it shows the difference of our opinion -- the difference of opinions. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And that is, I wouldn't join the International Criminal Court. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| This is a body based in The Hague where unaccountable judges and prosecutors can pull our troops or diplomats up for trial. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And I wouldn't join it. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And I understand that in certain capitals around the world that that wasn't a popular move. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| But it's the right move not to join a foreign court that could -- where our people could be prosecuted. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| My opponent is for joining the International Criminal Court. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I just think trying to be popular, kind of, in the global sense, if it's not in our best interest makes no sense. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I'm interested in working with our nations and do a lot of it. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| But I'm not going to make decisions that I think are wrong for America. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| New question, Mr. President. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Do you believe that diplomacy and sanctions can resolve the nuclear problems with North Korea and Iran? | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Take them in any order you would like. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| North Korea, first, I do. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Let me say -- I certainly hope so. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Before I was sworn in, the policy of this government was to have bilateral negotiations with North Korea. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And we signed an agreement with North Korea that my administration found out that was not being honored by the North Koreans. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And so I decided that a better way to approach the issue was to get other nations involved, just besides us. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And in Crawford, Texas, Jiang Zemin and I agreed that the nuclear-weapons-free peninsula, Korean Peninsula, was in his interest and our interest and the world's interest. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And so we began a new dialogue with North Korea, one that included not only the United States, but now China. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And China's a got a lot of influence over North Korea, some ways more than we do. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| As well, we included South Korea, Japan and Russia. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| So now there are five voices speaking to Kim Jong Il, not just one. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And so if Kim Jong Il decides again to not honor an agreement, he's not only doing injustice to America, he'd be doing injustice to China, as well. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And I think this will work. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| It's not going to work if we open up a dialogue with Kim Jong Il. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| That’s what he wants. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| He wants to unravel the six- party talks, or the five-nation coalition that's sending him a clear message. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| On Iran, I hope we can do the same thing, continue to work with the world to convince the Iranian mullahs to abandon their nuclear ambitions. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| We worked very closely with the foreign ministers of France, Germany and Great Britain, who have been the folks delivering the message to the mullahs that if you expect to be part of the world of nations, get rid of your nuclear programs. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| The IAEA is involved. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| There's a special protocol recently been passed that allows for inspections. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I hope we can do it. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And we've got a good strategy. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Senator Kerry, 90 seconds. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| With respect to Iran, the British, French, and Germans were the ones who initiated an effort without the United States, regrettably, to begin to try to move to curb the nuclear possibilities in Iran. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I believe we could have done better. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I think the United States should have offered the opportunity to provide the nuclear fuel, test them, see whether or not they were actually looking for it for peaceful purposes. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| If they weren't willing to work a deal, then we could have put sanctions together. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| The president did nothing. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| With respect to North Korea, the real story: We had inspectors and television cameras in the nuclear reactor in North Korea. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Secretary Bill Perry negotiated that under President Clinton. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And we knew where the fuel rods were. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And we knew the limits on their nuclear power. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Colin Powell, our secretary of state, announced one day that we were going to continue the dialog of working with the North Koreans. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| The president reversed it publicly while the president of South Korea was here. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And the president of South Korea went back to South Korea bewildered and embarrassed because it went against his policy. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And for two years, this administration didn't talk at all to North Korea. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| While they didn't talk at all, the fuel rods came out, the inspectors were kicked out, the television cameras were kicked out. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And today, there are four to seven nuclear weapons in the hands of North Korea. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| That happened on this president's watch. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Now, that, I think, is one of the most serious, sort of, reversals or mixed messages that you could possibly send. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I want to make sure -- yes, sir -- but in this one minute, I want to make sure that we understand -- the people watching understand the differences between the two of you on this. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| You want to continue the multinational talks, correct? | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Right. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And you're willing to do it... | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Both. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I want bilateral talks which put all of the issues, from the armistice of 1952, the economic issues, the human rights issues, the artillery disposal issues, the DMZ issues and the nuclear issues on the table. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And you're opposed to that. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Right? | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| The minute we have bilateral talks, the six-party talks will unwind. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| That's exactly what Kim Jong Il wants. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And by the way, the breach on the agreement was not through plutonium. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| The breach on the agreement is highly enriched uranium. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| That's what we caught him doing. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| That's where he was breaking the agreement. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Secondly, he said -- my opponent said where he worked to put sanctions on Iran -- we've already sanctioned Iran. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| We can't sanction them any more. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| There are sanctions in place on Iran. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And finally, we were a party to the convention -- to working with Germany, France and Great Britain to send their foreign ministers into Iran. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| New question, two minutes. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Senator Kerry, you mentioned Darfur, the Darfur region of Sudan. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Fifty thousand people have already died in that area. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| More than a million are homeless. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And it's been labeled an act of ongoing genocide. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Yet neither one of you or anyone else connected with your campaigns or your administration that I can find has discussed the possibility of sending in troops. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Why not? | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Well, I'll tell you exactly why not, but I first want to say something about those sanctions on Iran. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Only the United States put the sanctions on alone, and that's exactly what I'm talking about. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| In order for the sanctions to be effective, we should have been working with the British, French and Germans and other countries. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And that's the difference between the president and me. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And there, again, he sort of slid by the question. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Now, with respect to Darfur, yes, it is a genocide. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And months ago, many of us were pressing for action. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I think the reason that we're not saying send American troops in at this point is severalfold. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Number one, we can do this through the African Union, providing we give them the logistical support. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Right now all the president is providing is humanitarian support. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| We need to do more than that. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| They've got to have the logistical capacity to go in and stop the killing. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And that's going to require more than is on the table today. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I also believe that it is -- one of the reasons we can't do it is we're overextended. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Ask the people in the armed forces today. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| We've got Guards and Reserves who are doing double duties. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| We've got a backdoor draft taking place in America today: people with stop-loss programs where they're told you can't get out of the military; nine out of our 10 active duty divisions committed to Iraq one way or the other, either going, coming or preparing. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| So this is the way the president has overextended the United States. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| That's why, in my plan, I add two active duty divisions to the United States Army, not for Iraq, but for our general demands across the globe. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I also intend to double the number of special forces so that we can do the job we need to do with respect fighting the terrorists around the world. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And if we do that, then we have the ability to be able to respond more rapidly. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| But I'll tell you this, as president, if it took American forces to some degree to coalesce the African Union, I'd be prepared to do it because we could never allow another Rwanda. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| It's a moral responsibility for us and the world. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Ninety seconds. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Back to Iran, just for a second. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| It was not my administration that put the sanctions on Iran. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| That happened long before I arrived in Washington, D.C. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| In terms of Darfur, I agree it's genocide. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And Colin Powell so stated. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| We have committed $200 million worth of aid. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| We're the leading donor in the world to help the suffering people there. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| We will commit more over time to help. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| We were very much involved at the U.N. on the sanction policy of the Bashir government in the Sudan. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Prior to Darfur, Ambassador Jack Danforth had been negotiating a north-south agreement that we would have hoped would have brought peace to the Sudan. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I agree with my opponent that we shouldn't be committing troops. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| We ought to be working with the African Union to do so -- precisely what we did in Liberia. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| We helped stabilize the situation with some troops, and when the African Union came, we moved them out. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| My hope is that the African Union moves rapidly to help save lives. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And fortunately the rainy season will be ending shortly, which will make it easier to get aid there and help the long-suffering people there. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| New question, President Bush. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Clearly, as we have heard, major policy differences between the two of you. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Are there also underlying character issues that you believe, that you believe are serious enough to deny Senator Kerry the job as commander in chief of the United States? | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| That's a loaded question. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Well, first of all, I admire Senator Kerry's service to our country. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I admire the fact that he is a great dad. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I appreciate the fact that his daughters have been so kind to my daughters in what has been a pretty hard experience for, I guess, young girls, seeing their dads out there campaigning. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I admire the fact that he served for 20 years in the Senate. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Although I'm not so sure I admire the record. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I won't hold it against him that he went to Yale. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| There's nothing wrong with that. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| My concerns about the senator is that, in the course of this campaign, I've been listening very carefully to what he says, and he changes positions on the war in Iraq. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| He changes positions on something as fundamental as what you believe in your core, in your heart of hearts, is right in Iraq. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| You cannot lead if you send mixed messages. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Mixed messages send the wrong signals to our troops. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Mixed messages send the wrong signals to our allies. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Mixed messages send the wrong signals to the Iraqi citizens. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And that's my biggest concern about my opponent. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I admire his service. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| But I just know how this world works, and that in the councils of government, there must be certainty from the U.S. president. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Of course, we change tactics when need to, but we never change our beliefs, the strategic beliefs that are necessary to protect this country in the world. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Ninety second response, Senator. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Well, first of all, I appreciate enormously the personal comments the president just made. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And I share them with him. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I think only if you're doing this -- and he's done it more than I have in terms of the presidency -- can you begin to get a sense of what it means to your families. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And it's tough. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And so I acknowledge that his daughters -- I've watched them. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I've chuckled a few times at some of their comments. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| (LAUGHTER) And... | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I'm trying to put a leash on them. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| (LAUGHTER) | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Well, I know. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I've learned not to do that. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| (LAUGHTER) And I have great respect and admiration for his wife. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I think she's a terrific person... | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Thank you. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| ... and a great first lady. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| But we do have differences. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I'm not going to talk about a difference of character. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I don't think that's my job or my business. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| But let me talk about something that the president just sort of finished up with. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Maybe someone would call it a character trait, maybe somebody wouldn't. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| But this issue of certainty. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| It's one thing to be certain, but you can be certain and be wrong. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| It's another to be certain and be right, or to be certain and be moving in the right direction, or be certain about a principle and then learn new facts and take those new facts and put them to use in order to change and get your policy right. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| What I worry about with the president is that he's not acknowledging what's on the ground, he's not acknowledging the realities of North Korea, he's not acknowledging the truth of the science of stem-cell research or of global warming and other issues. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And certainty sometimes can get you in trouble. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Thirty seconds. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Well, I think -- listen, I fully agree that one should shift tactics, and we will, in Iraq. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Our commanders have got all the flexibility to do what is necessary to succeed. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| But what I won't do is change my core values because of politics or because of pressure. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And it is one of the things I've learned in the White House, is that there's enormous pressure on the president, and he cannot wilt under that pressure. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Otherwise, the world won't be better off. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Thirty seconds. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I have no intention of wilting. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I've never wilted in my life. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And I've never wavered in my life. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I know exactly what we need to do in Iraq, and my position has been consistent: Saddam Hussein is a threat. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| He needed to be disarmed. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| We needed to go to the U.N. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| The president needed the authority to use force in order to be able to get him to do something, because he never did it without the threat of force. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| But we didn't need to rush to war without a plan to win the peace. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| New question, two minutes, Senator Kerry. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| If you are elected president, what will you take to that office thinking is the single most serious threat to the national security to the United States? | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Nuclear proliferation. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Nuclear proliferation. | John F. Kerry | NaN | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| There's some 600-plus tons of unsecured material still in the former Soviet Union and Russia. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| At the rate that the president is currently securing it, it'll take 13 years to get it. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I did a lot of work on this. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I wrote a book about it several years ago -- six, seven years ago -- called "The New War," which saw the difficulties of this international criminal network. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And back then, we intercepted a suitcase in a Middle Eastern country with nuclear materials in it. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And the black market sale price was about $250 million. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Now, there are terrorists trying to get their hands on that stuff today. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And this president, I regret to say, has secured less nuclear material in the last two years since 9/11 than we did in the two years preceding 9/11. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| We have to do this job. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And to do the job, you can't cut the money for it. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| The president actually cut the money for it. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| You have to put the money into it and the funding and the leadership. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And part of that leadership is sending the right message to places like North Korea. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Right now the president is spending hundreds of millions of dollars to research bunker-busting nuclear weapons. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| The United States is pursuing a new set of nuclear weapons. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| It doesn't make sense. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| You talk about mixed messages. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| We're telling other people, "You can't have nuclear weapons," but we're pursuing a new nuclear weapon that we might even contemplate using. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Not this president. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I'm going to shut that program down, and we're going to make it clear to the world we're serious about containing nuclear proliferation. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And we're going to get the job of containing all of that nuclear material in Russia done in four years. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And we're going to build the strongest international network to prevent nuclear proliferation. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| This is the scale of what President Kennedy set out to do with the nuclear test ban treaty. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| It's our generation's equivalent. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And I intend to get it done. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Ninety seconds, Mr. President. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Actually, we've increased funding for dealing with nuclear proliferation about 35 percent since I've been the president. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Secondly, we've set up what's called the -- well, first of all, I agree with my opponent that the biggest threat facing this country is weapons of mass destruction in the hands of a terrorist network. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And that's why proliferation is one of the centerpieces of a multi-prong strategy to make the country safer. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| My administration started what's called the Proliferation Security Initiative. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Over 60 nations involved with disrupting the trans-shipment of information and/or weapons of mass destruction materials. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And we've been effective. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| We busted the A.Q. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Khan network. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| This was a proliferator out of Pakistan that was selling secrets to places like North Korea and Libya. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| We convinced Libya to disarm. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| It's a central part of dealing with weapons of mass destruction and proliferation. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I'll tell you another way to help protect America in the long run is to continue with missile defenses. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And we've got a robust research and development program that has been ongoing during my administration. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| We'll be implementing a missile-defense system relatively quickly. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And that is another way to help deal with the threats that we face in the 21st century. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| My opponent opposed the missile defenses. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Just for this one-minute discussion here, just for whatever seconds it takes: So it's correct to say, that if somebody is listening to this, that both of you agree, if you're reelected, Mr. President, and if you are elected, the single most serious threat you believe, both of you believe, is nuclear proliferation? | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| In the hands of a terrorist enemy. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Weapons of mass destruction, nuclear proliferation. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| But again, the test or the difference between us, the president has had four years to try to do something about it, and North Korea has got more weapons; Iran is moving towards weapons. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And at his pace, it will take 13 years to secure those weapons in Russia. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I'm going to do it in four years, and I'm going to immediately set out to have bilateral talks with North Korea. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Your response to that? | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Again, I can't tell you how big a mistake I think that is, to have bilateral talks with North Korea. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| It's precisely what Kim Jong Il wants. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| It will cause the six-party talks to evaporate. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| It will mean that China no longer is involved in convincing, along with us, for Kim Jong Il to get rid of his weapons. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| It's a big mistake to do that. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| We must have China's leverage on Kim Jong Il, besides ourselves. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And if you enter bilateral talks, they'll be happy to walk away from the table. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I don't think that'll work. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| All right. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Mr. President, this is the last question. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And two minutes. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| It's a new subject -- new question, and it has to do with President Putin and Russia. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Did you misjudge him or are you -- do you feel that what he is doing in the name of antiterrorism by changing some democratic processes is OK? | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| No, I don't think it's OK, and said so publicly. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I think that there needs to be checks and balances in a democracy, and made that very clear that by consolidating power in the central government, he's sending a signal to the Western world and United States that perhaps he doesn't believe in checks and balances, and I told him that. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I mean, he's also a strong ally in the war on terror. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| He is -- listen, they went through a horrible situation in Beslan, where these terrorists gunned down young school kids. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| That's the nature of the enemy, by the way. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| That's why we need to be firm and resolved in bringing them to justice. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| That's precisely what Vladimir Putin understands, as well. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I've got a good relation with Vladimir. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And it's important that we do have a good relation, because that enables me to better comment to him, and to better to discuss with him, some of the decisions he makes. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I found that, in this world, that it's important to establish good personal relationships with people so that when you have disagreements, you're able to disagree in a way that is effective. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And so I've told him my opinion. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I look forward to discussing it more with him, as time goes on. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Russia is a country in transition. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Vladimir is going to have to make some hard choices. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And I think it's very important for the American president, as well as other Western leaders, to remind him of the great benefits of democracy, that democracy will best help the people realize their hopes and aspirations and dreams. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And I will continue working with him over the next four years. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Ninety seconds, Senator Kerry. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Well, let me just say quickly that I've had an extraordinary experience of watching up close and personal that transition in Russia, because I was there right after the transformation. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And I was probably one of the first senators, along with Senator Bob Smith of New Hampshire, a former senator, to go down into the KGB underneath Treblinka Square and see reams of files with names in them. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| It sort of brought home the transition to democracy that Russia was trying to make. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I regret what's happened in these past months. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And I think it goes beyond just the response to terror. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Mr. Putin now controls all the television stations. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| His political opposition is being put in jail. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And I think it's very important to the United States, obviously, to have a working relationship that is good. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| This is a very important country to us. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| We want a partnership. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| But we always have to stand up for democracy. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| As George Will said the other day, "Freedom on the march; not in Russia right now." | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Now, I'd like to come back for a quick moment, if I can, to that issue about China and the talks. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Because that's one of the most critical issues here: North Korea. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Just because the president says it can't be done, that you'd lose China, doesn't mean it can't be done. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I mean, this is the president who said "There were weapons of mass destruction," said "Mission accomplished," said we could fight the war on the cheap -- none of which were true. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| We could have bilateral talks with Kim Jong Il. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And we can get those weapons at the same time as we get China. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Because China has an interest in the outcome, too. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Thirty seconds, Mr. President. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| You know my opinion on North Korea. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I can't say it any more plainly. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Well, but when he used the word "truth" again... | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Pardon me? | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| ... talking about the truth of the matter. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| He used the word "truth" again. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Did that raise any hackles with you? | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Oh, I'm a pretty calm guy. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I don't take it personally. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| OK. All right. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| You know, we looked at the same intelligence and came to the same conclusion: that Saddam Hussein was a grave threat. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And I don't hold it against him that he said grave threat. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I'm not going to go around the country saying he didn't tell the truth, when he looked at the same intelligence I did. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| It was a threat. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| That's not the issue. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| The issue is what you do about it. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| The president said he was going to build a true coalition, exhaust the remedies of the U.N. and go to war as a last resort. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Those words really have to mean something. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And, unfortunately, he didn't go to war as a last resort. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Now we have this incredible mess in Iraq -- $200 billion. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| It's not what the American people thought they were getting when they voted. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| All right, that brings us to closing statements. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And, again, as determined by a coin toss, Senator Kerry, you go first, and you have two minutes. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Thank you, Jim, very much. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Thank you very much to the university, again. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Thank you, Mr. President. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| My fellow Americans, as I've said at the very beginning of this debate, both President Bush and I love this country very much. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| There's no doubt, I think, about that. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| But we have a different set of convictions about how we make our country stronger here at home and respected again in the world. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I know that for many of you sitting at home, parents of kids in Iraq, you want to know who's the person who could be a commander in chief who could get your kids home and get the job done and win the peace. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And for all the rest of the parents in America who are wondering about their kids going to the school or anywhere else in the world, what kind of world they're going to grow up in, let me look you in the eye and say to you: I defended this country as a young man in war, and I will defend it as president of the United States. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| But I have a difference with this president. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I believe when we're strongest when we reach out and lead the world and build strong alliances. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I have a plan for Iraq. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I believe we can be successful. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I'm not talking about leaving. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I'm talking about winning. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And we need a fresh start, a new credibility, a president who can bring allies to our side. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I also have a plan to win the war on terror, funding homeland security, strengthening our military, cutting our finances, reaching out to the world, again building strong alliances. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I believe America's best days are ahead of us because I believe that the future belongs to freedom, not to fear. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| That's the country that I'm going to fight for. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And I ask you to give me the opportunity to make you proud. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I ask you to give me the opportunity to lead this great nation, so that we can be stronger here at home, respected again in the world, and have responsible leadership that we deserve. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Thank you. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And God bless America. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Mr. President, two minutes. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Thank you very much tonight, Jim. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Senator. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| If America shows uncertainty or weakness in this decade, the world will drift toward tragedy. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| That's not going to happen, so long as I'm your president. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| The next four years we will continue to strengthen our homeland defenses. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| We will strengthen our intelligence-gathering services. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| We will reform our military. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| The military will be an all-volunteer army. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| We will continue to stay on the offense. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| We will fight the terrorists around the world so we do not have to face them here at home. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| We'll continue to build our alliances. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I'll never turn over America's national security needs to leaders of other countries, as we continue to build those alliances. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And we'll continue to spread freedom. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I believe in the transformational power of liberty. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I believe that the free Iraq is in this nation's interests. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I believe a free Afghanistan is in this nation's interest. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And I believe both a free Afghanistan and a free Iraq will serve as a powerful example for millions who plead in silence for liberty in the broader Middle East. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| We've done a lot of hard work together over the last three and a half years. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| We've been challenged, and we've risen to those challenges. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| We've climbed the mighty mountain. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I see the valley below, and it's a valley of peace. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| By being steadfast and resolute and strong, by keeping our word, by supporting our troops, we can achieve the peace we all want. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I appreciate your listening tonight. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| I ask for your vote. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| And may God continue to bless our great land. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 30 Sep 2004 |
| Good evening from the Field House at Washington University in St. Louis. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I'm Charles Gibson of ABC News and "Good Morning America." | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I welcome you to the second of the 2004 presidential debates between President George W. Bush, the Republican nominee, and Senator John Kerry, the Democratic nominee. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| The debates are sponsored by the Commission on Presidential Debates. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Tonight's format is going to be a bit different. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| We have assembled a town-hall meeting. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| We're in the Show-Me State, as everyone knows Missouri to be, so Missouri residents will ask the questions. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| These 140 citizens were identified by the Gallup Organization as not yet committed in this election. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Now, earlier today, each audience member gave me two questions on cards like this, one they'd like to ask the president, the other they'd like to ask the senator. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I have selected the questions to be asked and the order. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| No one has seen the final list of questions but me, certainly not the candidates. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| No audience member knows if he or she will be called upon. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Audience microphones will be turned off after a question is asked. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Audience members will address their question to a specific candidate. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| He'll have two minutes to answer. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| The other candidate will have a minute and a half for rebuttal. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And I have the option of extending discussion for one minute, to be divided equally between the two men. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| All subjects are open for discussion. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And you probably know the light system by now. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Green light at 30 seconds, yellow at 15, red at five, and flashing red means you're done. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Those are the candidates' rules. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I will hold the candidates to the time limits forcefully but politely, I hope. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And now, please join me in welcoming with great respect, President Bush and Senator Kerry. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| (APPLAUSE) Gentlemen, to the business at hand. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| The first question is for Senator Kerry, and it will come from Cheryl Otis, who is right behind me. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Senator Kerry, after talking with several co-workers and family and friends, I asked the ones who said they were not voting for you, "Why?" | OTIS | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| They said that you were too wishy-washy. | OTIS | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Do you have a reply for them? | OTIS | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Yes, I certainly do. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| (LAUGHTER) But let me just first, Cheryl, if you will, I want to thank Charlie for moderating. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I want to thank Washington University for hosting us here this evening. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Mr. President, it's good to be with you again this evening, sir. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Cheryl, the president didn't find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, so he's really turned his campaign into a weapon of mass deception. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And the result is that you've been bombarded with advertisements suggesting that I've changed a position on this or that or the other. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Now, the three things they try to say I've changed position on are the Patriot Act; I haven't. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I support it. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I just don't like the way John Ashcroft has applied it, and we're going to change a few things. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| The chairman of the Republican Party thinks we ought to change a few things. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| No Child Left Behind Act, I voted for it. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I support it. | John F. Kerry | NaN | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I support the goals. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| But the president has underfunded it by $28 billion. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Right here in St. Louis, you've laid off 350 teachers. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| You're 150 -- excuse me, I think it's a little more, about $100 million shy of what you ought to be under the No Child Left Behind Act to help your education system here. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| So I complain about that. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I've argued that we should fully funded it. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| The president says I've changed my mind. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I haven't changed my mind: I'm going to fully fund it. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| So these are the differences. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Now, the president has presided over an economy where we've lost 1.6 million jobs. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| The first president in 72 years to lose jobs. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I have a plan to put people back to work. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| That's not wishy- washy. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I'm going to close the loopholes that actually encourage companies to go overseas. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| The president wants to keep them open. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I think I'm right. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I think he's wrong. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I'm going to give you a tax cut. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| The president gave the top 1 percent of income-earners in America, got $89 billion last year, more than the 80 percent of people who earn $100,000 or less all put together. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I think that's wrong. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| That's not wishy-washy, and that's what I'm fighting for, you. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Mr. President, a minute and a half. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Charlie, thank you, and thank our panelists. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And, Senator, thank you. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I can -- and thanks, Washington U. as well. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I can see why people at your workplace think he changes positions a lot, because he does. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| He said he voted for the $87 billion, and voted against it right before he voted for it. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And that sends a confusing signal to people. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| He said he thought Saddam Hussein was a grave threat, and now he said it was a mistake to remove Saddam Hussein from power. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| No, I can see why people think that he changes position quite often, because he does. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| You know, for a while he was a strong supporter of getting rid of Saddam Hussein. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| He saw the wisdom -- until the Democrat primary came along and Howard Dean, the anti-war candidate, began to gain on him, and he changed positions. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I don't see how you can lead this country in a time of war, in a time of uncertainty, if you change your mind because of politics. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| He just brought up the tax cut. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| You remember we increased that child credit by $1,000, reduced the marriage penalty, created a 10 percent tax bracket for the lower-income Americans. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| That's right at the middle class. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| He voted against it. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And yet he tells you he's for a middle- class tax cut. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| It's -- you've got to be consistent when you're the president. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| There's a lot of pressures. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And you've got to be firm and consistent. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Mr. President, I would follow up, but we have a series of questions on Iraq, and so I will turn to the next questioner. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| The question is for President Bush, and the questioner is Robin Dahle. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Mr. President, yesterday in a statement you admitted that Iraq did not have weapons of mass destruction, but justified the invasion by stating, I quote, "He retained the knowledge, the materials, the means and the intent to produce weapons of mass destruction and could have passed this knowledge to our terrorist enemies." | DAHLE | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Do you sincerely believe this to be a reasonable justification for invasion when this statement applies to so many other countries, including North Korea? | DAHLE | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Each situation is different, Robin. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And obviously we hope that diplomacy works before you ever use force. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| The hardest decision a president makes is ever to use force. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| After 9/11, we had to look at the world differently. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| After 9/11, we had to recognize that when we saw a threat, we must take it seriously before it comes to hurt us. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| In the old days we'd see a threat, and we could deal with it if we felt like it or not. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| But 9/11 changed it all. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I vowed to our countrymen that I would do everything I could to protect the American people. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| That's why we're bringing Al Qaida to justice. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Seventy five percent of them have been brought to justice. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| That's why I said to Afghanistan: If you harbor a terrorist, you're just as guilty as the terrorist. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And the Taliban is no longer in power, and Al Qaida no longer has a place to plan. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And I saw a unique threat in Saddam Hussein, as did my opponent, because we thought he had weapons of mass destruction. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And the unique threat was that he could give weapons of mass destruction to an organization like Al Qaida, and the harm they inflicted on us with airplanes would be multiplied greatly by weapons of mass destruction. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And that was the serious, serious threat. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| So I tried diplomacy, went to the United Nations. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| But as we learned in the same report I quoted, Saddam Hussein was gaming the oil-for-food program to get rid of sanctions. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| He was trying to get rid of sanctions for a reason: He wanted to restart his weapons programs. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| We all thought there was weapons there, Robin. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| My opponent thought there was weapons there. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| That's why he called him a grave threat. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I wasn't happy when we found out there wasn't weapons, and we've got an intelligence group together to figure out why. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| But Saddam Hussein was a unique threat. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And the world is better off without him in power. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And my opponent's plans lead me to conclude that Saddam Hussein would still be in power, and the world would be more dangerous. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Thank you, sir. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Senator Kerry, a minute and a half. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Robin, I'm going to answer your question. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I'm also going to talk -- respond to what you asked, Cheryl, at the same time. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| The world is more dangerous today. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| The world is more dangerous today because the president didn't make the right judgments. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Now, the president wishes that I had changed my mind. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| He wants you to believe that because he can't come here and tell you that he's created new jobs for America. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| He's lost jobs. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| He can't come here and tell you that he's created health care for Americans because, what, we've got 5 million Americans who have lost their health care, 96,000 of them right here in Missouri. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| He can't come here and tell you that he's left no child behind because he didn't fund no child left behind. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| So what does he do? | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| He's trying to attack me. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| He wants you to believe that I can't be president. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And he's trying to make you believe it because he wants you to think I change my mind. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Well, let me tell you straight up: I've never changed my mind about Iraq. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I do believe Saddam Hussein was a threat. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I always believed he was a threat. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Believed it in 1998 when Clinton was president. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I wanted to give Clinton the power to use force if necessary. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| But I would have used that force wisely, I would have used that authority wisely, not rushed to war without a plan to win the peace. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I would have brought our allies to our side. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I would have fought to make certain our troops had everybody possible to help them win the mission. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| This president rushed to war, pushed our allies aside. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And Iran now is more dangerous, and so is North Korea, with nuclear weapons. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| He took his eye off the ball, off of Osama bin Laden. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Mr. President, I do want to follow up on this one, because there were several questions from the audience along this line. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| (OFF-MIKE) | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Go ahead. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Go ahead. | Charles Gibson | NaN | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| (CROSSTALK) | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Well, I was going to have you do the rebuttal on it, but you go ahead. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| (LAUGHTER) You're up. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| You remember the last debate? | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| My opponent said that America must pass a global test before we used force to protect ourselves. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| That's the kind of mindset that says sanctions were working. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| That's the kind of mindset that said, "Let's keep it at the United Nations and hope things go well." | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Saddam Hussein was a threat because he could have given weapons of mass destruction to terrorist enemies. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Sanctions were not working. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| The United Nations was not effective at removing Saddam Hussein. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Senator? | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| The goal of the sanctions was not to remove Saddam Hussein, it was to remove the weapons of mass destruction. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And, Mr. President, just yesterday the Duelfer report told you and the whole world they worked. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| He didn't have weapons of mass destruction, Mr. President. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| That was the objective. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And if we'd used smart diplomacy, we could have saved $200 billion and an invasion of Iraq. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And right now, Osama bin Laden might be in jail or dead. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| That's the war against terror. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| We're going to have another question now on the subject of Iraq. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And I'm going to turn to Anthony Baldi with a question for Senator Kerry. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Mr. Baldi? | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Senator Kerry, the U.S. is preparing a new Iraq government and will proceed to withdraw U.S. troops. | BALDI | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Would you proceed with the same plans as President Bush? | BALDI | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Anthony, I would not. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I have laid out a different plan, because the president's plan is not working. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| You see that every night on television. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| There's chaos in Iraq. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| King Abdullah of Jordan said just yesterday or the day before you can't hold elections in Iraq with the chaos that's going on today. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Senator Richard Lugar, the Republican chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee, said that the handling of the reconstruction aid in Iraq by this administration has been incompetent. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Those are the Republican chairman's words. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Senator Hagel of Nebraska said that the handling of Iraq is beyond pitiful, beyond embarrassing; it's in the zone of dangerous. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Those are the words of two Republicans, respected, both on the Foreign Relations Committee. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Now, I have to tell you, I would do something different. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I would reach out to our allies in a way that this president hasn't. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| He pushed them away time and again, pushed them away at the U.N., pushed them away individually. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Two weeks ago, there was a meeting of the North Atlantic Council, which is the political arm of NATO. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| They discussed the possibility of a small training unit or having a total takeover of the training in Iraq. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Did our administration push for the total training of Iraq? | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| No. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Were they silent? | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Yes. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Was there an effort to bring all the allies together around that? | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| No, because they've always wanted this to be an American effort. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| You know, they even had the Defense Department issue a memorandum saying, "Don't bother applying for assistance or for being part of the reconstruction if you weren't part of our original coalition." | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Now, that's not a good way to build support and reduce the risk for our troops and make America safer. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I'm going to get the training done for our troops. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I'm going to get the training of Iraqis done faster. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And I'm going to get our allies back to the table. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Two days ago in the Oval Office, I met with the finance minister from Iraq. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| He came to see me. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And he talked about how optimistic he was and the country was about heading toward elections. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| They're going from tyranny to elections. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| He talked about the reconstruction efforts that are beginning to take hold. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| He talked about the fact that Iraqis love to be free. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| He said he was optimistic when he came here, then he turned on the TV and listened to the political rhetoric and all of a sudden he was pessimistic. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Now, this is guy a who, along with others, has taken great risk for great freedom. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And we need to stand with him. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| My opponent says he has a plan; it sounds familiar, because it's called the Bush plan. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| We're going to train troops, and we are. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| We'll have 125,000 trained by the end of December. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| We're spending about $7 billion. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| He talks about a grand idea: Let's have a summit; we're going to solve the problem in Iraq by holding a summit. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And what is he going to say to those people that show up at the summit? | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Join me in the wrong war at the wrong time at the wrong place. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Risk your troops in a war you've called a mistake. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Nobody is going to follow somebody who doesn't believe we can succeed and with somebody who says that war where we are is a mistake. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I know how these people think. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I meet with them all the time. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I talk to Tony Blair all the time. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I talk to Silvio Berlusconi. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| They're not going to follow an American president who says follow me into a mistake. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Our plan is working. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| We're going to make elections. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And Iraq is going to be free, and America will be better off for it. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Do you want to follow up, Senator? | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Yes, sir, please. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Ladies and gentlemen, the right war was Osama bin Laden and Afghanistan. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| That was the right place. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And the right time was Tora Bora, when we had him cornered in the mountains. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Now, everyone in the world knows that there were no weapons of mass destruction. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| That was the reason Congress gave him the authority to use force, not after excuse to get rid of the regime. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Now we have to succeed. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I've always said that. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I have been consistent. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Yes, we have to succeed, and I have a better plan to help us do it. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| First of all, we didn't find out he didn't have weapons until we got there, and my opponent thought he had weapons and told everybody he thought he had weapons. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And secondly, it's a fundamental misunderstanding to say that the war on terror is only Osama bin Laden. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| The war on terror is to make sure that these terrorist organizations do not end up with weapons of mass destruction. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| That's what the war on terror is about. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Of course, we're going to find Osama bin Laden. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| We've already 75 percent of his people. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And we're on the hunt for him. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| But this is a global conflict that requires firm resolve. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| The next question is for President Bush, and it comes from Nikki Washington. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Thank you. | WASHINGTON | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Mr. President, my mother and sister traveled abroad this summer, and when they got back they talked to us about how shocked they were at the intensity of aggravation that other countries had with how we handled the Iraq situation. | WASHINGTON | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Diplomacy is obviously something that we really have to really work on. | WASHINGTON | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| What is your plan to repair relations with other countries given the current situation? | WASHINGTON | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| No, I appreciate that. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I -- listen, I -- we've got a great country. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I love our values. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And I recognize I've made some decisions that have caused people to not understand the great values of our country. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I remember when Ronald Reagan was the president; he stood on principle. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Somebody called that stubborn. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| He stood on principle standing up to the Soviet Union, and we won that conflict. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Yet at the same time, he was very -- we were very unpopular in Europe because of the decisions he made. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I recognize that taking Saddam Hussein out was unpopular. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| But I made the decision because I thought it was in the right interests of our security. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| You know, I've made some decisions on Israel that's unpopular. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I wouldn't deal with Arafat, because I felt like he had let the former president down, and I don't think he's the kind of person that can lead toward a Palestinian state. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And people in Europe didn't like that decision. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And that was unpopular, but it was the right thing to do. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I believe Palestinians ought to have a state, but I know they need leadership that's committed to a democracy and freedom, leadership that would be willing to reject terrorism. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I made a decision not to join the International Criminal Court in The Hague, which is where our troops could be brought to -- brought in front of a judge, an unaccounted judge. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I don't think we ought to join that. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| That was unpopular. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And so, what I'm telling you is, is that sometimes in this world you make unpopular decisions because you think they're right. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| We'll continue to reach out. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Listen, there is 30 nations involved in Iraq, some 40 nations involved in Afghanistan. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| People love America. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Sometimes they don't like the decisions made by America, but I don't think you want a president who tries to become popular and does the wrong thing. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| You don't want to join the International Criminal Court just because it's popular in certain capitals in Europe. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Senator Kerry, a minute and a half. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Nikki, that's a question that's been raised by a lot of people around the country. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Let me address it but also talk about the weapons the president just talked about, because every part of the president's answer just now promises you more of the same over the next four years. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| The president stood right here in this hall four years ago, and he was asked a question by somebody just like you, "Under what circumstances would you send people to war?" | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And his answer was, "With a viable exit strategy and only with enough forces to get the job done." | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| He didn't do that. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| He broke that promise. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| We didn't have enough forces. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| General Shinseki, the Army chief of staff, told him he was going to need several hundred thousand. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And guess what? | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| They retired General Shinseki for telling him that. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| This president hasn't listened. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I went to meet with the members of the Security Council in the week before we voted. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I went to New York. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I talked to all of them to find out how serious they were about really holding Saddam Hussein accountable. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I came away convinced that, if we worked at it, if we were ready to work and letting Hans Blix do his job and thoroughly go through the inspections, that if push came to shove, they'd be there with us. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| But the president just arbitrarily brought the hammer down and said, "Nope. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Sorry, time for diplomacy is over. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| We're going." | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| He rushed to war without a plan to win the peace. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Ladies and gentleman, he gave you a speech and told you he'd plan carefully, take every precaution, take our allies with us. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| He didn't. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| He broke his word. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Mr. President? | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I remember sitting in the White House looking at those generals, saying, "Do you have what you need in this war? | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Do you have what it takes?" | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I remember going down to the basement of the White House the day we committed our troops as last resort, looking at Tommy Franks and the generals on the ground, asking them, "Do we have the right plan with the right troop level?" | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And they looked me in the eye and said, "Yes, sir, Mr. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| President." | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Of course, I listen to our generals. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| That's what a president does. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| A president sets the strategy and relies upon good military people to execute that strategy. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Senator? | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| You rely on good military people to execute the military component of the strategy, but winning the peace is larger than just the military component. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| General Shinseki had the wisdom to say, "You're going to need several hundred thousand troops to win the peace." | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| The military's job is to win the war. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| A president's job is to win the peace. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| The president did not do what was necessary. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Didn't bring in enough nation. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Didn't deliver the help. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Didn't close off the borders. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Didn't even guard the ammo dumps. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And now our kids are being killed with ammos right out of that dump. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| The next question is for Senator Kerry, and it comes from over here, from Randee Jacobs. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| You'll need a microphone. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Is it Randee? | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Yes, Randee. | JACOBS | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Iran sponsors terrorism and has missiles capable of hitting Israel and southern Europe. | JACOBS | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Iran will have nuclear weapons in two to three years time. | JACOBS | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| In the event that U.N. sanctions don't stop this threat, what will you do as president? | JACOBS | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I don't think you can just rely on U.N. sanctions, Randee. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| But you're absolutely correct, it is a threat, it's a huge threat. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And what's interesting is, it's a threat that has grown while the president has been preoccupied with Iraq, where there wasn't a threat. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| If he'd let the inspectors do their job and go on, we wouldn't have 10 times the numbers of forces in Iraq that we have in Afghanistan chasing Osama bin Laden. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Meanwhile, while Iran is moving toward nuclear weapons, some 37 tons of what they called yellow cake, the stuff they use to make enriched uranium, while they're doing that, North Korea has moved from one bomb maybe, maybe, to four to seven bombs. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| For two years, the president didn't even engage with North Korea, did nothing at all, while it was growing more dangerous, despite the warnings of former Secretary of Defense William Perry, who negotiated getting television cameras and inspectors into that reactor. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| We were safer before President Bush came to office. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Now they have the bombs and we're less safe. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| So what do we do? | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| We've got to join with the British and the French, with the Germans, who've been involved, in their initiative. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| We've got to lead the world now to crack down on proliferation as a whole. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| But the president's been slow to do that, even in Russia. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| At his pace, it's going to take 13 years to reduce and get ahold of all the loose nuclear material in the former Soviet Union. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I've proposed a plan that can capture it and contain it and clean it within four years. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And the president is moving to the creation of our own bunker- busting nuclear weapon. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| It's very hard to get other countries to give up their weapons when you're busy developing a new one. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I'm going to lead the world in the greatest counterproliferation effort. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And if we have to get tough with Iran, believe me, we will get tough. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Mr. President, a minute and a half. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| That answer almost made me want to scowl. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| He keeps talking about, "Let the inspectors do their job." | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| It's naive and dangerous to say that. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| That's what the Duelfer report showed. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| He was deceiving the inspectors. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Secondly, of course we've been involved with Iran. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I fully understand the threat. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And that's why we're doing what he suggested we do: Get the Brits, the Germans and the French to go make it very clear to the Iranians that if they expect to be a party to the world to give up their nuclear ambitions. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| We've been doing that. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Let me talk about North Korea. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| It is naive and dangerous to take a policy that he suggested the other day, which is to have bilateral relations with North Korea. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Remember, he's the person who's accusing me of not acting multilaterally. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| He now wants to take the six-party talks we have -- China, North Korea, South Korea, Russia, Japan and the United States -- and undermine them by having bilateral talks. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| That's what President Clinton did. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| He had bilateral talks with the North Koreans. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And guess what happened? | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| He didn't honor the agreement. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| He was enriching uranium. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| That is a bad policy. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Of course, we're paying attention to these. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| It's a great question about Iran. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| That's why in my speech to the Congress I said: There's an "Axis of Evil," Iraq, Iran and North Korea, and we're paying attention to it. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And we're making progress. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| We're going to move on, Mr. President, with a question for you. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And it comes from Daniel Farley. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Mr. Farley? | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Mr. President, since we continue to police the world, how do you intend to maintain our military presence without reinstituting a draft? | FARLEY | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Yes, that's a great question. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Thanks. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I hear there's rumors on the Internets (sic) that we're going to have a draft. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| We're not going to have a draft, period. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| The all- volunteer army works. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| It works particularly when we pay our troops well. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| It works when we make sure they've got housing, like we have done in the last military budgets. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| An all-volunteer army is best suited to fight the new wars of the 21st century, which is to be specialized and to find these people as they hide around the world. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| We don't need mass armies anymore. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| One of the things we've done is we've taken the -- we're beginning to transform our military. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And by that I mean we're moving troops out of Korea and replacing them with more effective weapons. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| We don't need as much manpower on the Korean Peninsula to keep a deterrent. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| In Europe, we have massed troops as if the Soviet Union existed and was going to invade into Europe, but those days are over with. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And so we're moving troops out of Europe and replacing it with more effective equipment. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| So to answer your question is, we're withdrawing, not from the world, we're withdrawing manpower so they can be stationed here in America, so there's less rotation, so life is easier on their families and therefore more likely to be -- we'll be more likely to be able to keep people in the all-volunteer army. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| One of the more important things we're doing in this administration is transformation. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| There are some really interesting technologies. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| For instance, we're flying unmanned vehicles that can send real- time messages back to stations in the United States. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| That saves manpower, and it saves equipment. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| It also means that we can target things easier and move more quickly, which means we need to be lighter and quicker and more facile and highly trained. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Now, forget all this talk about a draft. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| We're not going to have a draft so long as I am the president. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Senator Kerry, a minute and a half. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Daniel, I don't support a draft. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| But let me tell you where the president's policies have put us. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| The president -- and this is one of the reasons why I am very proud in this race to have the support of General John Shalikashvili, former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff; Admiral William Crowe, former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff; General Tony McPeak, who ran the air war for the president's father and did a brilliant job, supporting me; General Wes Clark, who won the war in Kosovo, supporting me; because they all -- and General Baca, who was the head of the National Guard, supporting me. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Why? | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Because they understand that our military is overextended under the president. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Our Guard and reserves have been turned into almost active duty. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| You've got people doing two and three rotations. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| You've got stop-loss policies, so people can't get out when they were supposed to. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| You've got a back-door draft right now. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And a lot of our military are underpaid. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| These are families that get hurt. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| It hurts the middle class. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| It hurts communities, because these are our first responders. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And they're called up. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And they're over there, not over here. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Now, I'm going to add 40,000 active duty forces to the military, and I'm going to make people feel good about being safe in our military, and not overextended, because I'm going to run a foreign policy that actually does what President Reagan did, President Eisenhower did, and others. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| We're going to build alliances. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| We're not going to go unilaterally. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| We're not going to go alone like this president did. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Mr. President, let's extend for a minute... | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Let me just -- I've got to answer this. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Exactly. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And with Reservists being held on duty... (CROSSTALK) | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Let me answer what he just said, about around the world. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Well, I want to get into the issue of the back-door draft... | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| You tell Tony Blair we're going alone. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Tell Tony Blair we're going alone. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Tell Silvio Berlusconi we're going alone. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Tell Aleksander Kwasniewski of Poland we're going alone. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| There are 30 countries there. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| It denigrates an alliance to say we're going alone, to discount their sacrifices. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| You cannot lead an alliance if you say, you know, you're going alone. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And people listen. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| They're sacrificing with us. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Senator? | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Mr. President, countries are leaving the coalition, not joining. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Eight countries have left it. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| If Missouri, just given the number of people from Missouri who are in the military over there today, were a country, it would be the third largest country in the coalition, behind Great Britain and the United States. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| That's not a grand coalition. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Ninety percent of the casualties are American. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Ninety percent of the costs are coming out of your pockets. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I could do a better job. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| My plan does a better job. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And that's why I'll be a better commander in chief. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| The next question, Senator Kerry, is for you, and it comes from Ann Bronsing, who I believe is over in this area. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Senator Kerry, we have been fortunate that there have been no further terrorist attacks on American soil since 9/11. | BRONSING | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Why do you think this is? | BRONSING | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And if elected, what will you do to assure our safety? | BRONSING | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Thank you very much, Ann. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I've asked in my security briefings why that is, and I can't go into all the answers, et cetera, but let me say this to you. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| This president and his administration have told you and all of us it's not a question of when, it's a question of -- excuse me -- not a question of if, it's a question of when. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| We've been told that. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| The when I can't tell you. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Between the World Trade Center bombing in, what was it, 1993 or so, and the next time was five years, seven years. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| These people wait. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| They'll plan. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| They plot. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I agree with the president that we have to go after them and get them wherever they are. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I just think I can do that far more effectively, because the most important weapon in doing that is intelligence. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| You've got to have the best intelligence in the world. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And in order to have the best intelligence in the world to know who the terrorists are and where they are and what they're plotting, you've got to have the best cooperation you've ever had in the world. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Now, to go back to your question, Nikki, we're not getting the best cooperation in the world today. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| We've got a whole bunch of countries that pay a price for dealing with the United States of America now. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I'm going to change that. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And I'm going to put in place a better homeland security effort. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Look, 95 percent of our containers coming into this country are not inspected today. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| When you get on an airplane, your bag is X- rayed, but the cargo hold isn't X-rayed. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Do you feel safer? | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| This president in the last debate said, "Well, that would be a big tax gap if we did that." | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Ladies and gentlemen, it's his tax plan. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| He chose a tax cut for the wealthiest Americans over getting that equipment out into the homeland as fast as possible. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| We have bridges and tunnels that aren't being secured, chemical plants, nuclear plants that aren't secured, hospitals that are overcrowded with their emergency rooms. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| If we had a disaster today, could they handle it? | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| This president chose a tax cut over homeland security. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Wrong choice. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Mr. President? | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| That's an odd thing to say, since we've tripled the homeland security budget from $10 billion to $30 billion. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Listen, we'll do everything we can to protect the homeland. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| My opponent's right, we need good intelligence. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| It's also a curious thing for him to say since right after 1993 he voted to cut the intelligence budget by $7.5 billion. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| The best way to defend America in this world we live in is to stay on the offense. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| We got to be right 100 percent of the time here at home, and they got to be right once. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And that's the reality. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And there's a lot of good people working hard. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| We're doing the best we possibly can to share information. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| That's why the Patriot Act was important. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| The Patriot Act is vital, by the way. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| It's a tool that law enforcement now uses to be able to talk between each other. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| My opponent says he hadn't changed his position on it. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| No, but he's for weakening it. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I don't think my opponent has got the right view about the world to make us safe; I really don't. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| First of all, I don't think he can succeed in Iraq. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And if Iraq were to fail, it'd be a haven for terrorists, and there would be money and the world would be much more dangerous. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I don't see how you can win in Iraq if you don't believe we should be there in the first place. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I don't see how you can lead troops if you say it's the wrong war at the wrong place at the wrong time. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I don't see how the Iraqis are going to have confidence in the American president if all they hear is that it was a mistake to be there in the first place. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| This war is a long, long war, and it requires steadfast determination and it requires a complete understanding that we not only chase down Al Qaida but we disrupt terrorist safe havens as well as people who could provide the terrorists with support. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I want to extend for a minute, Senator. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And I'm curious about something you said. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| You said, "It's not when, but if." | Charles Gibson | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| You think it's inevitable because the sense of security is a very basic thing with everybody in this country worried about their kids. | Charles Gibson | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Well, the president and his experts have told America that it's not a question of if; it's a question of when. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And I accept what the president has said. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| These terrorists are serious, they're deadly, and they know nothing except trying to kill. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I understand that. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| That's why I will never stop at anything to hunt down and kill the terrorists. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| But you heard the president just say to you that we've added money. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Folks, the test is not if you've added money; the test is that you've done everything possible to make America secure. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| He chose a tax cut for wealthy Americans over the things that I listed to you. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Mr. President? | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Well, we'll talk about the tax cut for middle class here in a minute. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| But yes, I'm worried. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I'm worried. | George W. Bush | NaN | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I'm worried about our country. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And all I can tell you is every day I know that there's people working overtime, doing the very best they can. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And the reason I'm worried is because there's a vicious enemy that has an ideology of hate. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And the way to defeat them long-term, by the way, is to spread freedom. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Liberty can change habits. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And that's what's happening in Afghanistan and Iraq. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Mr. President, we're going to turn to questions now on domestic policy. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And we're going to start with health issues. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And the first question is for President Bush and it's from John Horstman. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Mr. President, why did you block the reimportation of safer and inexpensive drugs from Canada which would have cut 40 to 60 percent off of the cost? | HORSTMAN | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I haven't yet. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Just want to make sure they're safe. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| When a drug comes in from Canada, I want to make sure it cures you and doesn't kill you. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And that's why the FDA and that's why the surgeon general are looking very carefully to make sure it can be done in a safe way. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I've got an obligation to make sure our government does everything we can to protect you. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And what my worry is is that, you know, it looks like it's from Canada, and it might be from a third world. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And we've just got to make sure, before somebody thinks they're buying a product, that it works. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And that's why we're doing what we're doing. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Now, it may very well be here in December you'll hear me say, I think there's a safe way to do it. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| There are other ways to make sure drugs are cheaper. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| One is to speed up generic drugs to the marketplace, quicker. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Pharmaceuticals were using loopholes to keep brand -- brand drugs in place, and generics are much less expensive than brand drugs. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And we're doing just that. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Another is to pass -- to get our seniors to sign up to these drug discount cards, and they're working. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Wanda Blackmore I met here from Missouri, the first time she bought drugs with her drug discount card, she paid $1.14, I think it was, for about $10 worth of drugs. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| These cards make sense. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And, you know, in 2006 seniors are going to get prescription drug coverage for the first time in Medicare. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Because I went to Washington to fix problems. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Medicare -- the issue of Medicare used to be called "Mediscare." | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| People didn't want to touch it for fear of getting hurt politically. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I wanted to get something done. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I think our seniors deserve a modern medical system. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And in 2006, our seniors will get prescription drug coverage. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Thank you for asking. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Senator, a minute and a half. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| John, you heard the president just say that he thought he might try to be for it. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Four years ago, right here in this forum, he was asked the same question: Can't people be able to import drugs from Canada? | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| You know what he said? | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| "I think that makes sense. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I think that's a good idea" -- four years ago. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Now, the president said, "I'm not blocking that." | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Ladies and gentlemen, the president just didn't level with you right now again. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| He did block it, because we passed it in the United States Senate. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| We sent it over to the House, that you could import drugs. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| We took care of the safety issues. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| We're not talking about third-world drugs. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| We're talking about drugs made right here in the United States of America that have American brand names on them and American bottles. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And we're asking to be able to allow you to get them. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| The president blocked it. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| The president also took Medicare, which belongs to you. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And he could have lowered the cost of Medicare and lowered your taxes and lowered the costs to seniors. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| You know what he did? | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| He made it illegal, illegal for Medicare to do what the V.A. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| does, which is bulk purchase drugs so that you can lower the price and get them out to you lower. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| He put $139 billion of windfall profit into the pockets of the drug companies right out of your pockets. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| That's the difference between us. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| The president sides with the power companies, the oil companies, the drug companies. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And I'm fighting to let you get those drugs from Canada, and I'm fighting to let Medicare survive. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I'm fighting for the middle class. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| That is the difference. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| If they're safe, they're coming. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I want to remind you that it wasn't just my administration that made the decision on safety. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| President Clinton did the same thing, because we have an obligation to protect you. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Now, he talks about Medicare. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| He's been in the United States Senate 20 years. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Show me one accomplishment toward Medicare that he accomplished. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I've been in Washington, D.C., three and a half years and led the Congress to reform Medicare so our seniors have got a modern health care system. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| That's what leadership is all about. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Actually, Mr. President, in 1997 we fixed Medicare, and I was one of the people involved in it. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| We not only fixed Medicare and took it way out into the future, we did something that you don't know how to do: We balanced the budget. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And we paid down the debt of our nation for two years in a row, and we created 23 million new jobs at the same time. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And it's the president's fiscal policies that have driven up the biggest deficits in American history. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| He's added more debt to the debt of the United States in four years than all the way from George Washington to Ronald Reagan put together. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Go figure. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| The next question is for Senator Kerry. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And this comes from Norma-Jean Laurent. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Senator Kerry, you've stated your concern for the rising cost of health care, yet you chose a vice presidential candidate who has made millions of dollars successfully suing medical professionals. | LAURENT | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| How do you reconcile this with the voters? | LAURENT | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Very easily. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| John Edwards is the author of the Patients' Bill of Rights. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| He wanted to give people rights. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| John Edwards and I support tort reform. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| We both believe that, as lawyers -- I'm a lawyer, too. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And I believe that we will be able to get a fix that has alluded everybody else because we know how to do it. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| It's in my health-care proposal. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Go to johnkerry.com. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| You can pull it off of the Internet. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And you'll find a tort reform plan. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Now, ladies and gentlemen, important to understand, the president and his friends try to make a big deal out of it. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Is it a problem? | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Yes, it's a problem. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Do we need to fix it, particularly for OGBYNs (sic) and for brain surgeons and others? | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Yes. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| But it's less than 1 percent of the total cost of health care. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Your premiums are going up. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| You've gone up, in Missouri, about $3,500. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| You've gone up 64 percent. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| You've seen co-pays go up, deductibles go up. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Everything's gone up. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Five million people have lost their health insurance under this president. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| He's done nothing about it. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I have a plan. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I have a plan to lower the cost of health care for you. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I have a plan to cover all children. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I have a plan to let you buy into the same health care senators and congressmen give themselves. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I have a plan that's going to allow people 55 to 64 to buy into Medicare early. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And I have a plan that will take the catastrophic cases out of the system, off your backs, pay for it out of a federal fund, which lowers the premiums for everybody in America, makes American business more competitive and makes health care more affordable. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Now, all of that can happen, but I have to ask you to do one thing: Join me in rolling back the president's unaffordable tax cut for people earning more than $200,000 a year. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| That's all. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Ninety-eight percent of America, I'm giving you a tax cut and I'm giving you health care. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Mr. President, a minute and a half. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Let me see where to start here. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| First, the National Journal named Senator Kennedy the most liberal senator of all. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And that's saying something in that bunch. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| You might say that took a lot of hard work. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| The reason I bring that up is because he's proposed $2.2 trillion in new spending, and he says he going to tax the rich to close the tax gap. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| He can't. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| He's going to tax everybody here to fund his programs. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| That's just reality. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And what are his health programs? | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| First, he says he's for medical liability reform, particularly for OB/GYNs. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| There's a bill on the floor of the United States Senate that he could have showed up and voted for if he's so much for it. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Secondly, he says that medical liability costs only cause a 1 percent increase. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| That shows a lack of understanding. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Doctors practice defensive medicine because of all the frivolous lawsuits that cost our government $28 billion a year. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And finally, he said he's going to have a novel health care plan. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| You know what it is? | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| The federal government is going to run it. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| It's the largest increase in federal government health care ever. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And it fits with his philosophy. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| That's why I told you about the award he won from the National Journal. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| That's what liberals do. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| They create government-sponsored health care. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Maybe you think that makes sense. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I don't. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Government-sponsored health care would lead to rationing. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| It would ruin the quality of health care in America. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Senator Kerry, we got several questions along this line, and I'm just curious if you'd go further on what you talked about with tort reform. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Would you be favoring capping awards on pain and suffering? | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Would you limit attorney's fees? | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| A follow-up... | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Yes. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| A follow-up on this for... | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Yes, I think we should look at the punitive and we should have some limitations. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| But look, what's really important, Charlie, is the president is just trying to scare everybody here with throwing labels around. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I mean, "compassionate conservative," what does that mean? | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Cutting 500,000 kids from after-school programs, cutting 365,000 kids from health care, running up the biggest deficits in American history. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Mr. President, you're batting 0 for 2. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I mean, seriously -- labels don't mean anything. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| What means something is: Do you have a plan? | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And I want to talk about my plan some more -- I hope we can. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| We'll get to that in just a minute. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Thirty seconds, President Bush. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| You're right, what does matter is a plan. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| He said he's for -- you're now for capping punitive damages? | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| That's odd. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| You should have shown up on the floor in the Senate and voted for it then. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Medical liability issues are a problem, a significant problem. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| He's been in the United States Senate for 20 years and he hasn't addressed it. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| We passed it out of the House of Representatives. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Guess where it's stuck? | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| It's stuck in the Senate, because the trial lawyers won't act on it. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And he put a trial lawyer on the ticket. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| The next question is for President Bush, and it comes from Matthew O'Brien. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| O'BRIEN: Mr. President, you have enjoyed a Republican majority in the House and Senate for most of your presidency. | NaN | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| In that time, you've not vetoed a single spending bill. | NaN | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Excluding $120 billion spent in Iran and -- I'm sorry, Iraq and Afghanistan, there has been $700 billion spent and not paid for by taxes. | NaN | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Please explain how the spending you have approved and not paid for is better for the American people than the spending proposed by your opponent. | NaN | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Right, thank you for that. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| We have a deficit. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| We have a deficit because this country went into a recession. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| You might remember the stock market started to decline dramatically six months before I came to office, and then the bubble of the 1990s popped. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And that cost us revenue. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| That cost us revenue. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Secondly, we're at war. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And I'm going to spend what it takes to win the war, more than just $120 billion for Iraq and Afghanistan. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| We've got to pay our troops more. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| We have. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| We've increased money for ammunition and weapons and pay and homeland security. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I just told this lady over here we spent -- went from $10 billion to $30 billion to protect the homeland. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I think we have an obligation to spend that kind of money. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And plus, we cut taxes for everybody. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Everybody got tax relief, so that they get out of the recession. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I think if you raise taxes during a recession, you head to depression. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I come from the school of thought that says when people have more money in their pocket during economic times, it increases demand or investment. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Small businesses begin to grow, and jobs are added. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| We found out today that over the past 13 months, we've added 1.9 million new jobs in the last 13 months. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I proposed a plan, detailed budget, that shows us cutting the deficit in half by five years. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And you're right, I haven't vetoed any spending bills, because we work together. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Non-homeland, non-defense discretionary spending was raising at 15 percent a year when I got into office. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And today it's less than 1 percent, because we're working together to try to bring this deficit under control. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Like you, I'm concerned about the deficit. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| But I am not going to shortchange our troops in harm's way. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And I'm not going to run up taxes, which will cost this economy jobs. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Thank you for your question. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Senator Kerry, a minute and a half. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Let me begin by saying that my health-care plan is not what the president described. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| It is not a government takeover. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| You have choice. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Choose your doctor, choose your plan. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| The government has nothing to do with it. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| In fact, it doesn't ask you to do anything -- if you don't want to take it, you don't have to. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| If you like your high premiums, you keep them. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| That's the way we leave it. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Now with respect to the deficit, the president was handed a $5.6 trillion surplus, ladies and gentlemen. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| That's where he was when he came into office. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| We now have a $2.6 trillion deficit. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| This is the biggest turnaround in the history of the country. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| He's the first president in 72 years to lose jobs. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| He talked about war. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| This is the first time the United States of America has ever had a tax cut when we're at war. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Franklin Roosevelt, Harry Truman, others, knew how to lead. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| They knew how to ask the American people for the right things. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| One percent of America, the highest one percent of income earners in America, got $89 billion of tax cut last year. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| One percent of America got more than the 80 percent of America that earned from $100,000 down. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| The president thinks it's more important to fight for that top 1 percent than to fight for fiscal responsibility and to fight for you. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I want to put money in your pocket. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I am -- I have a proposal for a tax cut for all people earning less than the $200,000. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| The only people affected by my plan are the top income earners of America. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I both -- I heard you both say -- I have heard you both say during the campaign, I just heard you say it, that you're going to cut the deficit by a half in four years. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| But I didn't hear one thing in the last three and a half minutes that would indicate how either one of you do that. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Well, look at the budget. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| One is make sure Congress doesn't overspend. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| But let me talk back about where we've been. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| The stock market was declining six months prior to my arrival. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| It was the largest stock market correction -- one of the largest in history, which foretold a recession. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Because we cut taxes on everybody -- remember, we ran up the child credit by $1,000, we reduced the marriage penalty, we created a 10 percent bracket, everybody who pays taxes got relief -- the recession was one of the shortest in our nation's history. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Senator Kerry, 30 seconds. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| After 9/11, after the recession had ended, the president asked for another tax cut and promised 5.6 million jobs would be created. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| He lost 1.6 million, ladies and gentlemen. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And most of that tax cut went to the wealthiest people in the country. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| He came and asked for a tax cut -- we wanted a tax cut to kick the economy into gear. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Do you know what he presented us with? | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| A $25 billion giveaway to the biggest corporations in America, including a $254 million refund check to Enron. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Wrong priorities. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| You are my priority. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Senator Kerry, the next question will be for you, and it comes from James Varner, who I believe is in this section. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Mr. Varner? | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| You need a microphone. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Thank you. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Senator Kerry, would you be willing to look directly into the camera and, using simple and unequivocal language, give the American people your solemn pledge not to sign any legislation that will increase the tax burden on families earning less than $200,000 a year during your first term? | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Absolutely. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Yes. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Right into the camera. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Yes. | John F. Kerry | NaN | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I am not going to raise taxes. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I have a tax cut. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And here's my tax cut. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I raise the child-care credit by $1,000 for families to help them be able to take care of their kids. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I have a $4,000 tuition tax credit that goes to parents -- and kids, if they're earning for themselves -- to be able to pay for college. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And I lower the cost of health care in the way that I described to you. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Every part of my program I've shown how I'm going to pay for it. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And I've gotten good people, like former Secretary of the Treasury Bob Rubin, for instance, who showed how to balance budgets and give you a good economy, to help me crunch these numbers and make them work. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I've even scaled back some of my favorite programs already, like the child-care program I wanted to fund and the national service program, because the president's deficit keeps growing and I've said as a pledge, "I'm going to cut the deficit in half in four years." | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Now, I'm going to restore what we did in the 1990s, ladies and gentlemen: pay as you go. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| We're going to do it like you do it. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| The president broke the pay-as-you-go rule. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Somebody here asked the question about, "Why haven't you vetoed something?" | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| It's a good question. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| If you care about it, why don't you veto it? | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I think John McCain called the energy bill the "No Lobbyist Left Behind" bill. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I mean, you've got to stand up and fight somewhere, folks. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I'm pledging I will not raise taxes; I'm giving a tax cut to the people earning less than $200,000 a year. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Now, for the people earning more than $200,000 a year, you're going to see a rollback to the level we were at with Bill Clinton, when people made a lot of money. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And looking around here, at this group here, I suspect there are only three people here who are going to be affected: the president, me, and, Charlie, I'm sorry, you too. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| (LAUGHTER) | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Mr. President, 90 seconds. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| He's just not credible when he talks about being fiscally conservative. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| He's just not credible. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| If you look at his record in the Senate, he voted to break the caps -- the spending caps -- over 200 times. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And here he says he's going to be a fiscal conservative, all of a sudden. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| It's just not credible. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| You cannot believe it. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And of course he's going to raise your taxes. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| You see, he's proposed $2.2 trillion of new spending. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Well, how are you going to pay for it? | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| He says, well, he's going to raise the taxes on the rich -- that's what he said -- the top two brackets. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| That raises, he says $800 billion; we say $600 billion. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| We've got battling green eye shades. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Somewhere in between those numbers -- and so there's a difference, what he's promised and what he can raise. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Now, either he's going to break all these wonderful promises he's told you about or he's going to raise taxes. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And I suspect, given his record, he's going to raise taxes. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Is my time up yet? | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| No, you can keep going. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| (LAUGHTER) | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Good. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| You looked at me like my clock was up. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I think that the way to grow this economy is to keep taxes low, is have an energy plan, is to have litigation reform. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| As I told you, we've just got a report that said over the past 13 months, we've created 1.9 million new jobs. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| We’re growing. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And so the fundamental question of this campaign is: Who's going to keep the economy growing so people can work? | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| That's the fundamental question. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I'm going to come back one more time to how these numbers add up and how you can cut that deficit in half in four years, given what you've both said. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Well, first of all, the president's figures of $2.2 trillion just aren't accurate. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Those are the fuzzy math figures put together by some group that works for the campaign. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| That's not the number. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Number two, John McCain and I have a proposal, jointly, for a commission that closes corporate giveaway loopholes. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| We've got $40 billion going to Bermuda. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| We've got all kinds of giveaways. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| We ought to be shutting those down. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And third, credible: Ladies and gentlemen, in 1985, I was one of the first Democrats to move to balance the budget. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I voted for the balanced budget in '93 and '97. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| We did it. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| We did it. | John F. Kerry | NaN | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And I was there. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Thirty seconds. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I'm sorry, thirty seconds, Mr. President. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Yes, I mean, he's got a record. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| It's been there for 20 years. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| You can run, but you can't hide. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| He voted 98 times to raise taxes. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I mean, these aren't make-up figures. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And so people are going to have to look at the record. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Look at the record of the man running for the president. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| They don't name him the most liberal in the United States Senate because he hasn't shown up to many meetings. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| They named him because of his votes. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And it's reality. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| It's just not credible to say he's going to keep taxes down and balance budgets. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Mr. President, the next question is for you, and it comes from James Hubb over here. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Mr. President, how would you rate yourself as an environmentalist? | HUBB | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| What specifically has your administration done to improve the condition of our nation's air and water supply? | HUBB | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Off-road diesel engines -- we have reached an agreement to reduce pollution from off-road diesel engines by 90 percent. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I've got a plan to increase the wetlands by 3 million. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| We've got an aggressive brown field program to refurbish inner-city sore spots to useful pieces of property. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I proposed to the United States Congress a Clear Skies Initiative to reduce sulfur dioxide, nitrogen oxide and mercury by 70 percent. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I have -- was fought for a very strong title in the farm bill for the conservation reserve program to set aside millions of acres of land to help improve wildlife and the habitat. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| We proposed and passed a healthy forest bill which was essential to working with -- particularly in Western states -- to make sure that our forests were protected. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| What happens in those forests, because of lousy federal policy, is they grow to be -- they are not -- they're not harvested. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| They're not taken care of. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And as a result, they're like tinderboxes. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And over the last summers I've flown over there. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And so, this is a reasonable policy to protect old stands of trees and at the same time make sure our forests aren't vulnerable to the forest fires that have destroyed acres after acres in the West. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| We've got a good, common-sense policy. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Now, I'm going to tell you what I really think is going to happen over time is technology is going to change the way we live for the good for the environment. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| That's why I proposed a hydrogen automobile -- hydrogen-generated automobile. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| We're spending $1 billion to come up with the technologies to do that. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| That's why I'm a big proponent of clean coal technology, to make sure we can use coal but in a clean way. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I guess you'd say I'm a good steward of the land. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| The quality of the air's cleaner since I've been the president. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Fewer water complaints since I've been the president. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| More land being restored since I've been the president. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Thank you for your question. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Senator Kerry, minute and a half. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Boy, to listen to that -- the president, I don't think, is living in a world of reality with respect to the environment. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Now, if you're a Red Sox fan, that's OK. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| But if you're a president, it's not. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Let me just say to you, number one, don't throw the labels around. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Labels don't mean anything. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I supported welfare reform. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I led the fight to put 100,000 cops on the streets of America. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I've been for faith-based initiatives helping to intervene in the lives of young children for years. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I was -- broke with my party in 1985, one of the first three Democrats to fight for a balanced budget when it was heresy. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Labels don't fit, ladies and gentlemen. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Now, when it comes to the issue of the environment, this is one of the worst administrations in modern history. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| The Clear Skies bill that he just talked about, it's one of those Orwellian names you pull out of the sky, slap it onto something, like "No Child Left Behind" but you leave millions of children behind. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Here they're leaving the skies and the environment behind. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| If they just left the Clean Air Act all alone the way it is today, no change, the air would be cleaner than it is if you pass the Clear Skies act. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| We're going backwards. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| In fact, his environmental enforcement chief air-quality person at the EPA resigned in protest over what they're doing to what they are calling the new source performance standards for air quality. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| They're going backwards on the definition for wetlands. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| They're going backwards on the water quality. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| They pulled out of the global warming, declared it dead, didn't even accept the science. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I'm going to be a president who believes in science. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Mr. President? | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Well, had we joined the Kyoto treaty, which I guess he's referring to, it would have cost America a lot of jobs. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| It's one of these deals where, in order to be popular in the halls of Europe, you sign a treaty. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| But I thought it would cost a lot -- I think there's a better way to do it. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And I just told you the facts, sir. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| The quality of the air is cleaner since I've been the president of the United States. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And we'll continue to spend money on research and development, because I truly believe that's the way to get from how we live today to being able to live a standard of living that we're accustomed to and being able to protect our environment better, the use of technologies. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Senator Kerry, 30 seconds. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| The fact is that the Kyoto treaty was flawed. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I was in Kyoto, and I was part of that. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I know what happened. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| But this president didn't try to fix it. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| He just declared it dead, ladies and gentlemen, and we walked away from the work of 160 nations over 10 years. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| You wonder, Nikki, why it is that people don't like us in some parts of the world. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Hey, we don't agree with you. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Goodbye. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| The president's done nothing to try to fix it. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I will. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Senator Kerry, the next question is for you. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| It involves jobs, which is a topic of the news today. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And for the question, we're going to turn to Jane Barrow. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Senator Kerry, how can the U.S. be competitive in manufacturing given -- in manufacturing, excuse me -- given the wage necessary and comfortably accepted for American workers to maintain the standard of living that they expect? | BARROW | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Jane, there are a lot of ways to be competitive. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And unfortunately again I regret this administration has not seized them and embraced them. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Let me give you an example. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| There is a tax loophole right now. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| If you're a company in St. Louis working, trying to make jobs here, there is actually an incentive for you to go away. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| You get more money, you keep more of your taxes by going abroad. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I'm going to shut that loophole, and I'm going to give the tax benefit to the companies that stay here in America to help make them more competitive. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Secondly, we're going to create a manufacturing jobs credit and a new jobs credit for people to be able to help hire and be more competitive here in America. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Third, what's really hurting American business more than anything else is the cost of health care. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Now, you didn't hear any plan from the president, because he doesn't have a plan to lower the cost of health care. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Five million Americans have lost their health care; 620,000 Missourians have no health care at all; 96,000 Missourians have lost their health care under President Bush. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I have a plan to cover those folks. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And it's a plan that lowers cost for everybody, covers all children. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And the way I pay for it -- I'm not fiscally irresponsible -- is I roll back the tax cut this president so fiercely wants to defend, the one for him and me and Charlie. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I think you ought to get the break. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I want to lower your cost to health care. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I want to fully fund education, No Child Left Behind, special-needs education. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And that's how we're going to be more competitive, by making sure our kids are graduating from school and college. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| China and India are graduating more graduates in technology and science than we are. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| We've got to create the products of the future. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| That's why I have a plan for energy independence within 10 years. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And we're going to put our laboratories and our colleges and our universities to work. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And we're going to get the great entrepreneurial spirit of this country, and we're going to free ourselves from this dependency on Mideast oil. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| That's how you create jobs and become competitive. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Mr. President, minute and a half. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Let me start with how to control the cost of health care: medical liability reform, for starters, which he's opposed. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Secondly, allow small businesses to pool together so they can share risk and buy insurance at the same discounts big businesses get to do. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Thirdly, spread what's called health savings accounts. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| It's good for small businesses, good for owners. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| You own your own account. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| You can save tax-free. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| You get a catastrophic plan to help you on it. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| This is different from saying, "OK, let me incent you to go on the government." | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| He's talking about his plan to keep jobs here. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| You know he calls it an outsourcing to keep -- stop outsourcing. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Robert Rubin looked at his plan and said it won't work. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| The best way to keep jobs here in America is, one, have an energy plan. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I proposed one to the Congress two years ago, encourages conservation, encourages technology to explore for environmentally friendly ways for coal -- to use coal and gas. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| It encourages the use of renewables like ethanol and biodiesel. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| It's stuck in the Senate. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| He and his running-mate didn't show up to vote when they could have got it going in the Senate. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Less regulations if we want jobs here; legal reform if we want jobs here; and we've got to keep taxes low. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Now, he says he's only going to tax the rich. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Do you realize, 900,000 small businesses will be taxed under his plan because most small businesses are Subchapter S corps or limited partnerships, and they pay tax at the individual income tax level. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And so when you're running up the taxes like that, you're taxing job creators, and that's not how you keep jobs here. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Senator, I want to extend for a minute, you talk about tax credits to stop outsourcing. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| But when you have IBM documents that I saw recently where you can hire a programmer for $12 in China, $56 an hour here, tax credits won't cut it. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| You can't stop all outsourcing, Charlie. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I've never promised that. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I'm not going to, because that would be pandering. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| You can't. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| But what you can do is create a fair playing field, and that's what I'm talking about. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| But let me just address what the president just said. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Ladies and gentlemen, that's just not true what he said. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| The Wall Street Journal said 96 percent of small businesses are not affected at all by my plan. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And you know why he gets that count? | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| The president got $84 from a timber company that owns, and he's counted as a small business. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Dick Cheney's counted as a small business. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| That's how they do things. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| That's just not right. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I own a timber company? | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| (LAUGHTER) That's news to me. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| (LAUGHTER) Need some wood? | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| (LAUGHTER) Most small businesses are Subchapter S corps. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| They just are. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I met Grant Milliron, Mansfield, Ohio. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| He's creating jobs. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Most small businesses -- 70 percent of the new jobs in America are created by small businesses. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Taxes are going up when you run up the top two brackets. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| It's a fact. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| President Bush, the next question is for you, and it comes from Rob Fowler, who I believe is over in this area. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| President Bush, 45 days after 9/11, Congress passed the Patriot Act, which takes away checks on law enforcement and weakens American citizens' rights and freedoms, especially Fourth Amendment rights. | FOWLER | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| With expansions to the Patriot Act and Patriot Act II, my question to you is, why are my rights being watered down and my citizens' around me? | FOWLER | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And what are the specific justifications for these reforms? | FOWLER | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I appreciate that. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I really don't think your rights are being watered down. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| As a matter of fact, I wouldn't support it if I thought that. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Every action being taken against terrorists requires court order, requires scrutiny. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| As a matter of fact, the tools now given to the terrorist fighters are the same tools that we've been using against drug dealers and white-collar criminals. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| So I really don't think so. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I hope you don't think that. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I mean, I -- because I think whoever is the president must guard your liberties, must not erode your rights in America. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| The Patriot Act is necessary, for example, because parts of the FBI couldn't talk to each other. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| The intelligence-gathering and the law-enforcement arms of the FBI just couldn't share intelligence under the old law. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And that didn't make any sense. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Our law enforcement must have every tool necessary to find and disrupt terrorists at home and abroad before they hurt us again. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| That's the task of the 21st century. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And so, I don't think the Patriot Act abridges your rights at all. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And I know it's necessary. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I can remember being in upstate New York talking to FBI agents that helped bust a Lackawanna cell up there. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And they told me they could not have performed their duty, the duty we all expect of them, if they did not have the ability to communicate with each other under the Patriot Act. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Senator Kerry, a minute and a half. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Former Governor Racicot, as chairman of the Republican Party, said he thought that the Patriot Act has to be changed and fixed. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Congressman Jim Sensenbrenner, he is the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, said over his dead body before it gets renewed without being thoroughly rechecked. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| A whole bunch of folks in America are concerned about the way the Patriot Act has been applied. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| In fact, the inspector general of the Justice Department found that John Ashcroft had twice applied it in ways that were inappropriate. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| People's rights have been abused. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I met a man who spent eight months in prison, wasn't even allowed to call his lawyer, wasn't allowed to get -- finally, Senator Dick Durbin of Illinois intervened and was able to get him out. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| This is in our country, folks, the United States of America. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| They've got sneak-and-peek searches that are allowed. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| They've got people allowed to go into churches now and political meetings without any showing of potential criminal activity or otherwise. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Now, I voted for the Patriot Act. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Ninety-nine United States senators voted for it. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And the president's been very busy running around the country using what I just described to you as a reason to say I'm wishy-washy, that I'm a flip-flopper. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Now that's not a flip-flop. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I believe in the Patriot Act. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| We need the things in it that coordinate the FBI and the CIA. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| We need to be stronger on terrorism. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| But you know what we also need to do as Americans is never let the terrorists change the Constitution of the United States in a way that disadvantages our rights. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Senator Kerry, the next question is for you, and it comes from Elizabeth Long. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Senator Kerry, thousands of people have already been cured or treated by the use of adult stem cells or umbilical cord stem cells. | LONG | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| However, no one has been cured by using embryonic stem cells. | LONG | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Wouldn't it be wise to use stem cells obtained without the destruction of an embryo? | LONG | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| You know, Elizabeth, I really respect your -- the feeling that's in your question. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I understand it. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I know the morality that's prompting that question, and I respect it enormously. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| But like Nancy Reagan, and so many other people -- you know, I was at a forum with Michael J. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Fox the other day in New Hampshire, who's suffering from Parkinson's, and he wants us to do stem cell, embryonic stem cell. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And this fellow stood up, and he was quivering. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| His whole body was shaking from the nerve disease, the muscular disease that he had. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And he said to me and to the whole hall, he said, "You know, don't take away my hope, because my hope is what keeps me going." | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Chris Reeve is a friend of mine. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Chris Reeve exercises every single day to keep those muscles alive for the day when he believes he can walk again, and I want him to walk again. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I think we can save lives. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Now, I think we can do ethically guided embryonic stem-cell research. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| We have 100,000 to 200,000 embryos that are frozen in nitrogen today from fertility clinics. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| These weren't taken from abortion or something like that. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| They're from a fertility clinic. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And they're either going to be destroyed or left frozen. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And I believe if we have the option, which scientists tell us we do, of curing Parkinson's, curing diabetes, curing, you know, some kind of a, you know, paraplegic or quadriplegic or, you know, a spinal cord injury, anything, that's the nature of the human spirit. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I think it is respecting life to reach for that cure. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I think it is respecting life to do it in an ethical way. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And the president has chosen a policy that makes it impossible for our scientists to do that. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I want the future, and I think we have to grab it. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Mr. President, a minute and a half. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Embryonic stem-cell research requires the destruction of life to create a stem cell. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I'm the first president ever to allow funding -- federal funding -- for embryonic stem-cell research. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I did to because I too hope that we'll discover cures from the stem cells and from the research derived. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| But I think we've got to be very careful in balancing the ethics and the science. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And so I made the decision we wouldn't spend any more money beyond the 70 lines, 22 of which are now in action, because science is important, but so is ethics, so is balancing life. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| To destroy life to save life is -- it's one of the real ethical dilemmas that we face. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| There is going to be hundreds of experiments off the 22 lines that now exist that are active, and hopefully we find a cure. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| But as well, we need to continue to pursue adult stem-cell research. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I helped double the NIH budget to $28 billion a year to find cures. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And the approach I took is one that I think is a balanced and necessary approach, to balance science and the concerns for life. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Senator, 30 seconds, less extent. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Well, you talk about walking a waffle line -- he says he's allowed it, which means he's going to allow the destruction of life up to a certain amount and then he isn't going to allow it. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I don't know how you draw that line. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| But let me tell you, point blank, the lines of stem cells that he's made available, every scientist in the country will tell you, "Not adequate," because they're contaminated by mouse cells, and because there aren't 60 or 70 -- they're are only about 11 to 20 now -- and there aren't enough to be able to do the research because they're contaminated. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| We've got to open up the possibilities of this research. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And when I am president, I'm going to do it because we have to. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Mr. President? | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Let me make sure you understand my decision. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Those stem- cells lines already existed. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| The embryo had already been destroyed prior to my decision. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I had to make the decision to destroy more life, so do we continue to destroy life -- I made the decision to balance science and ethics. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Mr. President, the next question is for you, and it comes from Jonathan Michaelson, over here. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Mr. President, if there were a vacancy in the Supreme Court and you had the opportunity to fill that position today, who would you choose and why? | MICHAELSON | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I'm not telling. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| (LAUGHTER) I really don't have -- haven't picked anybody yet. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Plus, I want them all voting for me. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| (LAUGHTER) I would pick somebody who would not allow their personal opinion to get in the way of the law. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I would pick somebody who would strictly interpret the Constitution of the United States. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Let me give you a couple of examples, I guess, of the kind of person I wouldn't pick. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I wouldn't pick a judge who said that the Pledge of Allegiance couldn't be said in a school because it had the words "under God" in it. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I think that's an example of a judge allowing personal opinion to enter into the decision-making process as opposed to a strict interpretation of the Constitution. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Another example would be the Dred Scott case, which is where judges, years ago, said that the Constitution allowed slavery because of personal property rights. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| That's a personal opinion. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| That's not what the Constitution says. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| The Constitution of the United States says we're all -- you know, it doesn't say that. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| It doesn't speak to the equality of America. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And so, I would pick people that would be strict constructionists. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| We've got plenty of lawmakers in Washington, D.C. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Legislators make law; judges interpret the Constitution. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And I suspect one of us will have a pick at the end of next year -- the next four years. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And that's the kind of judge I'm going to put on there. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| No litmus test except for how they interpret the Constitution. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Thank you. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Senator Kerry, a minute and a half. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Thank you, Charlie. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| A few years ago when he came to office, the president said -- these are his words -- "What we need are some good conservative judges on the courts." | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And he said also that his two favorite justices are Justice Scalia and Justice Thomas. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| So you get a pretty good sense of where he's heading if he were to appoint somebody. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Now, here's what I believe. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I don't believe we need a good conservative judge, and I don't believe we need a good liberal judge. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I don't believe we need a good judge of that kind of definition on either side. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I subscribe to the Justice Potter Stewart standard. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| He was a justice on the Supreme Court of the United States. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And he said the mark of a good judge, good justice, is that when you're reading their decision, their opinion, you can't tell if it's written by a man or woman, a liberal or a conservative, a Muslim, a Jew or a Christian. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| You just know you're reading a good judicial decision. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| What I want to find, if I am privileged to have the opportunity to do it -- and the Supreme Court of the United States is at stake in this race, ladies and gentlemen. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| The future of things that matter to you -- in terms of civil rights, what kind of Justice Department you'll have, whether we'll enforce the law. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Will we have equal opportunity? | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Will women's rights be protected? | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Will we have equal pay for women, which is going backwards? | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Will a woman's right to choose be protected? | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| These are constitutional rights, and I want to make sure we have judges who interpret the Constitution of the United States according to the law. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Going to go to the final two questions now, and the first one will be for Senator Kerry. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And this comes from Sarah Degenhart. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Senator Kerry, suppose you are speaking with a voter who believed abortion is murder and the voter asked for reassurance that his or her tax dollars would not go to support abortion, what would you say to that person? | DEGENHART | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I would say to that person exactly what I will say to you right now. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| First of all, I cannot tell you how deeply I respect the belief about life and when it begins. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I'm a Catholic, raised a Catholic. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I was an altar boy. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Religion has been a huge part of my life. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| It helped lead me through a war, leads me today. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| But I can't take what is an article of faith for me and legislate it for someone who doesn't share that article of faith, whether they be agnostic, atheist, Jew, Protestant, whatever. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I can't do that. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| But I can counsel people. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I can talk reasonably about life and about responsibility. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I can talk to people, as my wife Teresa does, about making other choices, and about abstinence, and about all these other things that we ought to do as a responsible society. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| But as a president, I have to represent all the people in the nation. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And I have to make that judgment. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Now, I believe that you can take that position and not be pro- abortion, but you have to afford people their constitutional rights. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And that means being smart about allowing people to be fully educated, to know what their options are in life, and making certain that you don't deny a poor person the right to be able to have whatever the constitution affords them if they can't afford it otherwise. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| That's why I think it's important. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| That's why I think it's important for the United States, for instance, not to have this rigid ideological restriction on helping families around the world to be able to make a smart decision about family planning. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| You'll help prevent AIDS. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| You'll help prevent unwanted children, unwanted pregnancies. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| You'll actually do a better job, I think, of passing on the moral responsibility that is expressed in your question. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And I truly respect it. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Mr. President, minute and a half. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I'm trying to decipher that. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| My answer is, we're not going to spend taxpayers' money on abortion. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| This is an issue that divides America, but certainly reasonable people can agree on how to reduce abortions in America. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I signed the partial-birth -- the ban on partial-birth abortion. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| It's a brutal practice. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| It's one way to help reduce abortions. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| My opponent voted against the ban. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I think there ought to be parental notification laws. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| He's against them. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I signed a bill called the Unborn Victims of Violence Act. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| In other words, if you're a mom and you're pregnant and you get killed, the murderer gets tried for two cases, not just one. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| My opponent was against that. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| These are reasonable ways to help promote a culture of life in America. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I think it is a worthy goal in America to have every child protected by law and welcomed in life. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I also think we ought to continue to have good adoption law as an alternative to abortion. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And we need to promote maternity group homes, which my administration has done. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Culture of life is really important for a country to have if it's going to be a hospitable society. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Thank you. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Senator, do you want to follow up? | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Thirty seconds. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Well, again, the president just said, categorically, my opponent is against this, my opponent is against that. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| You know, it's just not that simple. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| No, I'm not. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I'm against the partial-birth abortion, but you've got to have an exception for the life of the mother and the health of the mother under the strictest test of bodily injury to the mother. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Secondly, with respect to parental notification, I'm not going to require a 16-or 17-year-old kid who's been raped by her father and who's pregnant to have to notify her father. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| So you got to have a judicial intervention. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And because they didn't have a judicial intervention where she could go somewhere and get help, I voted against it. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| It's never quite as simple as the president wants you to believe. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And 30 seconds, Mr. President. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Well, it's pretty simple when they say: Are you for a ban on partial birth abortion? | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Yes or no? | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And he was given a chance to vote, and he voted no. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And that's just the way it is. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| That's a vote. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| It came right up. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| It's clear for everybody to see. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| You can run but you can't hide the reality. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And the final question of the evening will be addressed to President Bush and it will come from Linda Grabel. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Linda Grabel's over here. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Linda Grabel's over here. | Charles Gibson | NaN | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Put a head fake on us. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| (LAUGHTER) | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I got faked out myself. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Hi, Linda. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| President Bush, during the last four years, you have made thousands of decisions that have affected millions of lives. | GRABEL | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Please give three instances in which you came to realize you had made a wrong decision, and what you did to correct it. | GRABEL | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Thank you. | GRABEL | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I have made a lot of decisions, and some of them little, like appointments to boards you never heard of, and some of them big. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And in a war, there's a lot of -- there's a lot of tactical decisions that historians will look back and say: He shouldn't have done that. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| He shouldn't have made that decision. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And I'll take responsibility for them. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I'm human. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| But on the big questions, about whether or not we should have gone into Afghanistan, the big question about whether we should have removed somebody in Iraq, I'll stand by those decisions, because I think they're right. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| That's really what you're -- when they ask about the mistakes, that's what they're talking about. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| They're trying to say, "Did you make a mistake going into Iraq?" | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And the answer is, "Absolutely not." | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| It was the right decision. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| The Duelfer report confirmed that decision today, because what Saddam Hussein was doing was trying to get rid of sanctions so he could reconstitute a weapons program. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And the biggest threat facing America is terrorists with weapons of mass destruction. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| We knew he hated us. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| We knew he'd been -- invaded other countries. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| We knew he tortured his own people. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| On the tax cut, it's a big decision. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I did the right decision. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Our recession was one of the shallowest in modern history. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Now, you asked what mistakes. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I made some mistakes in appointing people, but I'm not going to name them. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I don't want to hurt their feelings on national TV. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| (LAUGHTER) | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| But history will look back, and I'm fully prepared to accept any mistakes that history judges to my administration, because the president makes the decisions, the president has to take the responsibility. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Senator Kerry, a minute and a half. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I believe the president made a huge mistake, a catastrophic mistake, not to live up to his own standard, which was: build a true global coalition, give the inspectors time to finish their job and go through the U.N. process to its end and go to war as a last resort. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I ask each of you just to look into your hearts, look into your guts. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Gut-check time. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Was this really going to war as a last resort? | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| The president rushed our nation to war without a plan to win the peace. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And simple things weren't done. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| That's why Senator Lugar says: incompetent in the delivery of services. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| That's why Senator Hagel, Republican, says, you know: beyond pitiful, beyond embarrassing, in the zone of dangerous. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| We didn't guard 850,000 tons of ammo. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| That ammo is now being used against our kids. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Ten thousand out of 12,000 Humvees aren't armored. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I visited some of those kids with no limbs today, because they didn't have the armor on those vehicles. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| They didn't have the right body armor. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I've met parents who've on the Internet gotten the armor to send their kids. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| There is no bigger judgment for a president of the United states than how you take a nation to war. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And you can't say, because Saddam might have done it 10 years from now, that's a reason; that's an excuse. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Mr. President? | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| He complains about the fact our troops don't have adequate equipment, yet he voted against the $87 billion supplemental I sent to the Congress and then issued one of the most amazing quotes in political history: "I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it." | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Saddam Hussein was a risk to our country, ma'am. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And he was a risk that -- and this is where we just have a difference of opinion. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| The truth of that matter is, if you listen carefully, Saddam would still be in power if he were the president of the United States, "And the world would be a lot better off." | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And, Senator Kerry, 30 seconds. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Not necessarily be in power, but here's what I'll say about the $87 billion. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I made a mistake in the way I talk about it. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| He made a mistake in invading Iraq. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Which is a worse decision? | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Now, I voted the way I voted because I saw that he had the policy wrong and I wanted accountability. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I didn't want to give a slush fund to Halliburton. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I also thought the wealthiest people in America ought to pay for it, ladies and gentlemen. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| He wants your kids to pay for it. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I wanted us to pay for it, since we're at war. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I don't think that's a bad decision. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| That's going to conclude the questioning. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| We're going to go now to closing statements, two minutes from each candidate. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And the first closing statement goes to Senator Kerry. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I believe that was the agreement. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Do you want to go first? | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Either way. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Thank you. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Charlie, thank you. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And thank you all. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Thank you, all of you, for taking part. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Thanks for your questions tonight, very, very much. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Obviously the president and I both have very strong convictions. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I respect him for that. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| But we have a very different view about how to make America stronger and safer. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I will never cede the authority of our country or our security to any other nation. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I'll never give a veto over American security to any other entity -- not a nation, not a country, not an institution. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| But I know, as I think you do, that our country is strongest when we lead the world, when we lead strong alliances. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And that's the way Eisenhower and Reagan and Kennedy and others did it. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| We are not doing that today. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| We need to. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I have a plan that will help us go out and kill and find the terrorists. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And I will not stop in our efforts to hunt down and kill the terrorists. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| But I'll also have a better plan of how we're going to deal with Iraq: training the Iraqi forces more rapidly, getting our allies back to the table with a fresh start, with new credibility, with a president whose judgment the rest of the world trusts. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| In addition to that, I believe we have a crisis here at home, a crisis of the middle class that is increasingly squeezed, health-care costs going up. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I have a plan to provide health care to all Americans. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I have a plan to provide for our schools so we keep the standards but we help our teachers teach and elevate our schools by funding No Child Left Behind. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I have a plan to protect the environment so that we leave this place in better shape to our children than we were handed it by our parents. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| That's the test. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I believe America's best days are ahead of us. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I'm an optimist, but we have to make the right choices, to be fiscally responsible and to create the new jobs of the future. | John F. Kerry | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| We can do this. | John F. Kerry | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And I ask you for the privilege of leading our nation to be stronger at home and respected again in the world. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Thank you. | John F. Kerry | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Senator. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And a closing statement from President Bush. | Charles Gibson | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Charlie, thanks. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Thank you all very much. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| It's been enjoyable. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| The great contest for the presidency is about the future, who can lead, who can get things done. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| We've been through a lot together as a country -- been through a recession, corporate scandals, war. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And yet think about where we are: Added 1.9 million new jobs over the past 13 months. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| The farm income in America is high. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Small businesses are flourishing. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Homeownership rate is at an all-time high in America. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| We're on the move. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Tonight I had a chance to discuss with you what to do to keep this economy going: keep the taxes low, don't increase the scope of the federal government, keep regulations down, legal reform, a health- care policy that does not empower the federal government but empowers individuals, and an energy plan that will help us become less dependent on foreign sources of energy. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And abroad, we're at war. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And it requires a president who is steadfast and strong and determined. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| I vowed to the American people after that fateful day of September the 11th that we would not rest nor tire until we're safe. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| The 9/11 Commission put out a report that said America is safer but not yet safe. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| There is more work to be done. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| We'll stay on the hunt on Al Qaida. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| We'll deny sanctuary to these terrorists. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| We'll make sure they do not end up with weapons of mass destruction. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| It's the great nexus. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| The great threat to our country is that these haters end up with weapons of mass destruction. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| But our long-term security depends on our deep faith in liberty. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| And we'll continue to promote freedom around the world. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Freedom is on the march. | George W. Bush | Claim | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| Tomorrow, Afghanistan will be voting for a president. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| In Iraq, we'll be having free elections, and a free society will make this world more peaceful. | George W. Bush | Premise | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |
| God bless. | George W. Bush | O | 2004 | 08 Oct 2004 |