Arguments Table
| Speech | Name | Component | Year | Date |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Good evening from the campus of Lynn University here in Boca Raton, Florida. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| This is the fourth and last debate of the 2012 campaign, brought to you by the Commission on Presidential Debates. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| This one's on foreign policy. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I'm Bob Schieffer of CBS News. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| The questions are mine, and I have not shared them with the candidates or their aides. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| The audience has taken a vow of silence -- no applause, no reaction of any kind, except right now when we welcome President Barack Obama and Governor Mitt Romney. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| (APPLAUSE) Gentlemen, your campaigns have agreed to certain rules and they are simple. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| They've asked me to divide the evening into segments. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I'll pose a question at the beginning of each segment. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| You will each have two minutes to respond and then we will have a general discussion until we move to the next segment. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Tonight's debate, as both of you know, comes on the 50th anniversary of the night that President Kennedy told the world that the Soviet Union had installed nuclear missiles in Cuba, perhaps the closest we've ever come to nuclear war. | Bob Schieffer | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And it is a sobering reminder that every president faces at some point an unexpected threat to our national security from abroad. | Bob Schieffer | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| So let's begin. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| The first segment is the challenge of a changing Middle East and the new face of terrorism. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I'm going to put this into two segments so you'll have two topic questions within this one segment on the subject. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| The first question, and it concerns Libya. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| The controversy over what happened there continues. | Bob Schieffer | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Four Americans are dead, including an American ambassador. | Bob Schieffer | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Questions remain. | Bob Schieffer | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| What happened? | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| What caused it? | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Was it spontaneous? | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Was it an intelligence failure? | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Was it a policy failure? | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Was there an attempt to mislead people about what really happened? | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Governor Romney, you said this was an example of an American policy in the Middle East that is unraveling before our very eyes. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I'd like to hear each of you give your thoughts on that. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Governor Romney, you won the toss. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| You go first. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Thank you, Bob. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And thank you for agreeing to moderate this debate this evening. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Thank you to Lynn University for welcoming us here. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And Mr. President, it's good to be with you again. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We were together at a humorous event a little earlier, and it's nice to maybe funny this time, not on purpose. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We'll see what happens. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| This is obviously an area of great concern to the entire world, and to America in particular, which is to see a -- a complete change in the -- the structure and the -- the environment in the Middle East. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| With the Arab Spring, came a great deal of hope that there would be a change towards more moderation, and opportunity for greater participation on the part of women in public life, and in economic life in the Middle East. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| But instead, we've seen in nation after nation, a number of disturbing events. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Of course we see in Syria, 30,000 civilians having been killed by the military there. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We see in -- in Libya, an attack apparently by, I think we know now, by terrorists of some kind against -- against our people there, four people dead. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Our hearts and -- and minds go out to them. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Mali has been taken over, the northern part of Mali by al-Qaeda type individuals. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We have in -- in Egypt, a Muslim Brotherhood president. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And so what we're seeing is a pretty dramatic reversal in the kind of hopes we had for that region. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Of course the greatest threat of all is Iran, four years closer to a nuclear weapon. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And -- and we're going to have to recognize that we have to do as the president has done. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I congratulate him on -- on taking out Osama bin Laden and going after the leadership in al-Qaeda. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| But we can't kill our way out of this mess. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We're going to have to put in place a very comprehensive and robust strategy to help the -- the world of Islam and other parts of the world, reject this radical violent extremism, which is -- it's certainly not on the run. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| It's certainly not hiding. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| This is a group that is now involved in 10 or 12 countries, and it presents an enormous threat to our friends, to the world, to America, long term, and we must have a comprehensive strategy to help reject this kind of extremism. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Mr. President? | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Well, my first job as commander in chief, Bob, is to keep the American people safe. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And that's what we've done over the last four years. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We ended the war in Iraq, refocused our attention on those who actually killed us on 9/11. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And as a consequence, Al Qaeda's core leadership has been decimated. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| In addition, we're now able to transition out of Afghanistan in a responsible way, making sure that Afghans take responsibility for their own security. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And that allows us also to rebuild alliances and make friends around the world to combat future threats. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Now with respect to Libya, as I indicated in the last debate, when we received that phone call, I immediately made sure that, number one, that we did everything we could to secure those Americans who were still in harm's way; number two, that we would investigate exactly what happened, and number three, most importantly, that we would go after those who killed Americans and we would bring them to justice. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And that's exactly what we're going to do. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| But I think it's important to step back and think about what happened in Libya. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Keep in mind that I and Americans took leadership in organizing an international coalition that made sure that we were able to, without putting troops on the ground at the cost of less than what we spent in two weeks in Iraq, liberate a country that had been under the yoke of dictatorship for 40 years. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Got rid of a despot who had killed Americans and as a consequence, despite this tragedy, you had tens of thousands of Libyans after the events in Benghazi marching and saying America is our friend. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We stand with them. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Now that represents the opportunity we have to take advantage of. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And, you know, Governor Romney, I'm glad that you agree that we have been successful in going after Al Qaida, but I have to tell you that, you know, your strategy previously has been one that has been all over the map and is not designed to keep Americans safe or to build on the opportunities that exist in the Middle East. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Well, my strategy is pretty straightforward, which is to go after the bad guys, to make sure we do our very best to interrupt them, to -- to kill them, to take them out of the picture. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| But my strategy is broader than that. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| That's -- that's important, of course. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| But the key that we're going to have to pursue is a -- is a pathway to get the Muslim world to be able to reject extremism on its own. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We don't want another Iraq, we don't want another Afghanistan. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| That's not the right course for us. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| The right course for us is to make sure that we go after the -- the people who are leaders of these various anti-American groups and these -- these jihadists, but also help the Muslim world. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And how do we do that? | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| A group of Arab scholars came together, organized by the U.N., to look at how we can help the -- the world reject these -- these terrorists. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And the answer they came up with was this: One, more economic development. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We should key our foreign aid, our direct foreign investment, and that of our friends, we should coordinate it to make sure that we -- we push back and give them more economic development. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Number two, better education. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Number three, gender equality. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Number four, the rule of law. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We have to help these nations create civil societies. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| But what's been happening over the last couple of years is, as we've watched this tumult in the Middle East, this rising tide of chaos occur, you see Al Qaida rushing in, you see other jihadist groups rushing in. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And -- and they're throughout many nations in the Middle East. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| It's wonderful that Libya seems to be making some progress, despite this terrible tragedy. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| But next door, of course, we have Egypt. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Libya's 6 million population; Egypt, 80 million population. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We want -- we want to make sure that we're seeing progress throughout the Middle East. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| With Mali now having North Mali taken over by Al Qaida; with Syria having Assad continuing to -- to kill, to murder his own people, this is a region in tumult. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And, of course, Iran on the path to a nuclear weapon, we've got real (inaudible). | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We'll get to that, but let's give the president a chance. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Governor Romney, I'm glad that you recognize that Al Qaida is a threat, because a few months ago when you were asked what's the biggest geopolitical threat facing America, you said Russia, not Al Qaida; you said Russia, in the 1980s, they're now calling to ask for their foreign policy back because, you know, the Cold War's been over for 20 years. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| But Governor, when it comes to our foreign policy, you seem to want to import the foreign policies of the 1980s, just like the social policies of the 1950s and the economic policies of the 1920s. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| You say that you're not interested in duplicating what happened in Iraq. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| But just a few weeks ago, you said you think we should have more troops in Iraq right now. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And the -- the challenge we have -- I know you haven't been in a position to actually execute foreign policy -- but every time you've offered an opinion, you've been wrong. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| You said we should have gone into Iraq, despite that fact that there were no weapons of mass destruction. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| You said that we should still have troops in Iraq to this day. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| You indicated that we shouldn't be passing nuclear treaties with Russia despite the fact that 71 senators, Democrats and Republicans, voted for it. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| You said that, first, we should not have a timeline in Afghanistan. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Then you said we should. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Now you say maybe or it depends, which means not only were you wrong, but you were also confusing in sending mixed messages both to our troops and our allies. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| So, what -- what we need to do with respect to the Middle East is strong, steady leadership, not wrong and reckless leadership that is all over the map. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And unfortunately, that's the kind of opinions that you've offered throughout this campaign, and it is not a recipe for American strength, or keeping America safe over the long haul. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I'm going to add a couple of minutes here to give you a chance to respond. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Well, of course I don't concur with what the president said about my own record and the things that I've said. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| They don't happen to be accurate. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| But -- but I can say this, that we're talking about the Middle East and how to help the Middle East reject the kind of terrorism we're seeing, and the rising tide of tumult and -- and confusion. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And -- and attacking me is not an agenda. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Attacking me is not talking about how we're going to deal with the challenges that exist in the Middle East, and take advantage of the opportunity there, and stem the tide of this violence. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| But I'll respond to a couple of things that you mentioned. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| First of all, Russia I indicated is a geopolitical foe. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Not... (CROSSTALK) | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Excuse me. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| It's a geopolitical foe, and I said in the same -- in the same paragraph I said, and Iran is the greatest national security threat we face. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Russia does continue to battle us in the U.N. time and time again. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I have clear eyes on this. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I'm not going to wear rose-colored glasses when it comes to Russia, or Mr. Putin. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And I'm certainly not going to say to him, I'll give you more flexibility after the election. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| After the election, he'll get more backbone. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Number two, with regards to Iraq, you and I agreed I believe that there should be a status of forces agreement. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| (CROSSTALK) | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Oh you didn't? | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| You didn't want a status of... | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| What I would not have had done was left 10,000 troops in Iraq that would tie us down. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And that certainly would not help us in the Middle East. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I'm sorry, you actually -- there was a -- there was an effort on the part of the president to have a status of forces agreement, and I concurred in that, and said that we should have some number of troops that stayed on. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| That was something I concurred with... (CROSSTALK) | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Governor... (CROSSTALK) | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| ...that your posture. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| That was my posture as well. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| You thought it should have been 5,000 troops... (CROSSTALK) | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Governor? | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| ... | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I thought there should have been more troops, but you know what? | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| The answer was we got... (CROSSTALK) | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| ... no troops through whatsoever. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| This was just a few weeks ago that you indicated that we should still have troops in Iraq. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| No, I... (CROSSTALK) | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| ...I'm sorry that's a... (CROSSTALK) | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| You -- you... | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| ...that's a -- I indicated... (CROSSTALK) | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| ...major speech. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| (CROSSTALK) | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| ...I indicated that you failed to put in place a status... (CROSSTALK) | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Governor? | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| (CROSSTALK) | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| ...of forces agreement at the end of the conflict that existed. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Governor -- here -- here's -- here's one thing... (CROSSTALK) | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| ...here's one thing I've learned as commander in chief. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| (CROSSTALK) | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Let him answer... | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| You've got to be clear, both to our allies and our enemies, about where you stand and what you mean. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| You just gave a speech a few weeks ago in which you said we should still have troops in Iraq. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| That is not a recipe for making sure that we are taking advantage of the opportunities and meeting the challenges of the Middle East. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Now, it is absolutely true that we cannot just meet these challenges militarily. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And so what I've done throughout my presidency and will continue to do is, number one, make sure that these countries are supporting our counterterrorism efforts. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Number two, make sure that they are standing by our interests in Israel's security, because it is a true friend and our greatest ally in the region. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Number three, we do have to make sure that we're protecting religious minorities and women because these countries can't develop unless all the population, not just half of it, is developing. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Number four, we do have to develop their economic -- their economic capabilities. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| But number five, the other thing that we have to do is recognize that we can't continue to do nation building in these regions. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Part of American leadership is making sure that we're doing nation building here at home. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| That will help us maintain the kind of American leadership that we need. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Let me interject the second topic question in this segment about the Middle East and so on, and that is, you both mentioned -- alluded to this, and that is Syria. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| The war in Syria has now spilled over into Lebanon. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We have, what, more than 100 people that were killed there in a bomb. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| There were demonstrations there, eight people dead. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Mr. President, it's been more than a year since you saw -- you told Assad he had to go. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Since then, 30,000 Syrians have died. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We've had 300,000 refugees. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| The war goes on. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| He's still there. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Should we reassess our policy and see if we can find a better way to influence events there? | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Or is that even possible? | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And you go first, sir. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| What we've done is organize the international community, saying Assad has to go. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We've mobilized sanctions against that government. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We have made sure that they are isolated. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We have provided humanitarian assistance and we are helping the opposition organize, and we're particularly interested in making sure that we're mobilizing the moderate forces inside of Syria. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| But ultimately, Syrians are going to have to determine their own future. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And so everything we're doing, we're doing in consultation with our partners in the region, including Israel which obviously has a huge interest in seeing what happens in Syria; coordinating with Turkey and other countries in the region that have a great interest in this. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| This -- what we're seeing taking place in Syria is heartbreaking, and that's why we are going to do everything we can to make sure that we are helping the opposition. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| But we also have to recognize that, you know, for us to get more entangled militarily in Syria is a serious step, and we have to do so making absolutely certain that we know who we are helping; that we're not putting arms in the hands of folks who eventually could turn them against us or allies in the region. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And I am confident that Assad's days are numbered. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| But what we can't do is to simply suggest that, as Governor Romney at times has suggested, that giving heavy weapons, for example, to the Syrian opposition is a simple proposition that would lead us to be safer over the long term. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Governor? | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Well, let's step back and talk about what's happening in Syria and how important it is. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| First of all, 30,000 people being killed by their government is a humanitarian disaster. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Secondly, Syria is an opportunity for us because Syria plays an important role in the Middle East, particularly right now. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Syria is Iran's only ally in the Arab world. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| It's their route to the sea. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| It's the route for them to arm Hezbollah in Lebanon, which threatens, of course, our ally, Israel. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And so seeing Syria remove Assad is a very high priority for us. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Number two, seeing a -- a replacement government being responsible people is critical for us. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And finally, we don't want to have military involvement there. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We don't want to get drawn into a military conflict. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And so the right course for us, is working through our partners and with our own resources, to identify responsible parties within Syria, organize them, bring them together in a -- in a form of -- if not government, a form of -- of -- of council that can take the lead in Syria. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And then make sure they have the arms necessary to defend themselves. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We do need to make sure that they don't have arms that get into the -- the wrong hands. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Those arms could be used to hurt us down the road. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We need to make sure as well that we coordinate this effort with our allies, and particularly with -- with Israel. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| But the Saudi's and the Qatari, and -- and the Turks are all very concerned about this. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| They're willing to work with us. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We need to have a very effective leadership effort in Syria, making sure that the -- the insurgent there are armed and that the insurgents that become armed, are people who will be the responsible parties. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Recognize -- I believe that Assad must go. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I believe he will go. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| But I believe -- we want to make sure that we have the relationships of friendship with the people that take his place, steps that in the years to come we see Syria as a -- as a friend, and Syria as a responsible party in the Middle East. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| This -- this is a critical opportunity for America. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And what I'm afraid of is we've watched over the past year or so, first the president saying, well we'll let the U.N. deal with it. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And Assad -- excuse me, Kofi Annan came in and said we're going to try to have a ceasefire. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| That didn't work. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Then it went to the Russians and said, let's see if you can do something. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We should be playing the leadership role there, not on the ground with military. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| All right. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| ...by the leadership role. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We are playing the leadership role. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We organized the Friends of Syria. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We are mobilizing humanitarian support, and support for the opposition. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And we are making sure that those we help are those who will be friends of ours in the long term and friends of our allies in the region over the long term. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| But going back to Libya -- because this is an example of how we make choices. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| When we went in to Libya, and we were able to immediately stop the massacre there, because of the unique circumstances and the coalition that we had helped to organize. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We also had to make sure that Moammar Gadhafi didn't stay there. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And to the governor's credit, you supported us going into Libya and the coalition that we organized. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| But when it came time to making sure that Gadhafi did not stay in power, that he was captured, Governor, your suggestion was that this was mission creep, that this was mission muddle. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Imagine if we had pulled out at that point. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| You know, Moammar Gadhafi had more American blood on his hands than any individual other than Osama bin Laden. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And so we were going to make sure that we finished the job. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| That's part of the reason why the Libyans stand with us. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| But we did so in a careful, thoughtful way, making certain that we knew who we were dealing with, that those forces of moderation on the ground were ones that we could work with, and we have to take the same kind of steady, thoughtful leadership when it comes to Syria. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| That's exactly what we're doing. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Governor, can I just ask you, would you go beyond what the administration would do, like for example, would you put in no-fly zones over Syria? | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I don't want to have our military involved in Syria. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I don't think there is a necessity to put our military in Syria at this stage. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I don't anticipate that in the future. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| As I indicated, our objectives are to replace Assad and to have in place a new government which is friendly to us, a responsible government, if possible. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And I want to make sure they get armed and they have the arms necessary to defend themselves, but also to remove -- to remove Assad. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| But I do not want to see a military involvement on the part of our -- of our troops. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Well -- | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And this isn't -- this isn't going to be necessary. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We -- we have, with our partners in the region, we have sufficient resources to support those groups. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| But look, this has been going on for a year. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| This is a time -- this should have been a time for American leadership. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We should have taken a leading role, not militarily, but a leading role organizationally, governmentally to bring together the parties; to find responsible parties. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| As you hear from intelligence sources even today, the -- the insurgents are highly disparate. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| They haven't come together. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| They haven't formed a unity group, a council of some kind. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| That needs to happen. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| America can help that happen. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And we need to make sure they have the arms they need to carry out the very important role which is getting rid of Assad. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Can we get a quick response, Mr. President, because I want to... (CROSSTALK) | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Well, I'll -- I'll be very quick. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| What you just heard Governor Romney said is he doesn't have different ideas. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And that's because we're doing exactly what we should be doing to try to promote a moderate Syrian leadership and a -- an effective transition so that we get Assad out. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| That's the kind of leadership we've shown. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| That's the kind of leadership we'll continue to show. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| May I ask you, you know, during the Egyptian turmoil, there came a point when you said it was time for President Mubarak to go. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Right. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Some in your administration thought perhaps we should have waited a while on that. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Do you have any regrets about that? | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| No, I don't, because I think that America has to stand with democracy. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| The notion that we would have tanks run over those young people who were in Tahrir Square, that is not the kind of American leadership that John F. Kennedy talked about 50 years ago. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| But what I've also said is that now that you have a democratically elected government in Egypt, that they have to make sure that they take responsibility for protecting religious minorities. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And we have put significant pressure on them to make sure they're doing that; to recognize the rights of women, which is critical throughout the region. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| These countries can't develop if young women are not given the kind of education that they need. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| They have to abide by their treaty with Israel. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| That is a red line for us, because not only is Israel's security at stake, but our security is at stake if that unravels. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| They have to make sure that they're cooperating with us when it comes to counterterrorism. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And we will help them with respect to developing their own economy, because ultimately what's going to make the Egyptian revolution successful for the people of Egypt, but also for the world, is if those young people who gathered there are seeing opportunities. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Their aspirations are similar to young people's here. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| They want jobs, they want to be able to make sure their kids are going to a good school. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| They want to make sure that they have a roof over their heads and that they have the prospects of a better life in the future. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And so one of the things that we've been doing is, is, for example, organizing entrepreneurship conferences with these Egyptians to give them a sense of how they can start rebuilding their economy in a way that's noncorrupt, that's transparent. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| But what is also important for us to understand is, is that for America to be successful in this region there's some things that we're going to have to do here at home as well. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| You know, one of the challenges over the last decade is we've done experiments in nation building in places like Iraq and Afghanistan and we've neglected, for example, developing our own economy, our own energy sectors, our own education system. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And it's very hard for us to project leadership around the world when we're not doing what we need to do... | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Governor Romney, I want to hear your response to that, but I would just ask you, would you have stuck with Mubarak? | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| No. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I believe, as the president indicated, and said at the time that I supported his -- his action there. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I felt that -- I wish we'd have had a better vision of the future. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I wish that, looking back at the beginning of the president's term and even further back than that, that we'd have recognized that there was a growing energy and passion for freedom in that part of the world, and that we would have worked more aggressively with our friend and with other friends in the region to have them make the transition towards a more representative form of government, such that it didn't explode in the way that it did. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| But once it exploded, I felt the same as the president did, which is these freedom voices and the streets of Egypt, where the people who were speaking of our principles and the President Mubarak had done things which were unimaginable and the idea of him crushing his people was not something that we could possibly support. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Let me step back and talk about what I think our mission has to be in the Middle East and even more broadly, because our purpose is to make sure the world is more -- is peaceful. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We want a peaceful planet. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We want people to be able to enjoy their lives and know they're going to have a bright and prosperous future, not be at war. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| That's our purpose. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And the mantle of leadership for the -- promoting the principles of peace has fallen to America. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We didn't ask for it. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| But it's an honor that we have it. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| But for us to be able to promote those principles of peace requires us to be strong. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And that begins with a strong economy here at home. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Unfortunately, the economy is not stronger. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| When the -- when the president of Iraq -- excuse me, of Iran, Ahmadinejad, says that our debt makes us not a great country, that's a frightening thing. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Former chief of the -- Joint Chiefs of Staff said that -- Admiral Mullen said that our debt is the biggest national security threat we face. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| This -- we have weakened our economy. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We need a strong economy. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We need to have as well a strong military. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Our military is second to none in the world. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We're blessed with terrific soldiers, and extraordinary technology and intelligence. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| But the idea of a trillion dollar in cuts through sequestration and budget cuts to the military would change that. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We need to have strong allies. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Our association and connection with our allies is essential to America's strength. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We're the great nation that has allies, 42 allies and friends around the world. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And, finally, we have to stand by our principles. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And if we're strong in each of those things, American influence will grow. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| But unfortunately, in nowhere in the world is America's influence will grow. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| But unfortunately, in -- nowhere in the world is America's influence greater today than it was four years ago. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| All right. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And that's because we've become weaker in each of those four... (CROSSTALK) | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| ...you're going to get a chance to respond to that, because that's a perfect segue into our next segment, and that is, what is America's role in the world? | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And that is the question. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| What do each of you see as our role in the world, and I believe, Governor Romney, it's your chance to go first. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Well I -- I absolutely believe that America has a -- a responsibility, and the privilege of helping defend freedom and promote the principles that -- that make the world more peaceful. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And those principles include human rights, human dignity, free enterprise, freedom of expression, elections. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Because when there are elections, people tend to vote for peace. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| They don't vote for war. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| So we want to promote those principles around the world. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We recognize that there are places of conflict in the world. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We want to end those conflicts to the extent humanly possible. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| But in order to be able to fulfill our role in the world, America must be strong. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| America must lead. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And for that to happen, we have to strengthen our economy here at home. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| You can't have 23 million people struggling to get a job. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| You can't have an economy that over the last three years keeps slowing down its growth rate. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| You can't have kids coming out of college, half of them can't find a job today, or a job that's commensurate with their college degree. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We have to get our economy going. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And our military, we've got to strengthen our military long-term. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We don't know what the world is going to throw at us down the road. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We -- we make decisions today in the military that -- that will confront challenges we can't imagine. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| In the 2000 debates, there was no mention of terrorism, for instance. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And a year later, 9/11 happened. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| So, we have to make decisions based upon uncertainty, and that means a strong military. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I will not cut our military budget. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We have to also stand by our allies. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I -- I think the tension that existed between Israel and the United States was very unfortunate. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I think also that pulling our missile defense program out of Poland in the way we did was also unfortunate in terms of, if you will, disrupting the relationship in some ways that existed between us. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And then, of course, with regards to standing for our principles, when -- when the students took to the streets in Tehran and the people there protested, the Green Revolution occurred, for the president to be silent I thought was an enormous mistake. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We have to stand for our principles, stand for our allies, stand for a strong military and stand for a stronger economy. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Mr. President? | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| America remains the one indispensable nation. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And the world needs a strong America, and it is stronger now than when I came into office. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Because we ended the war in Iraq, we were able to refocus our attention on not only the terrorist threat, but also beginning a transition process in Afghanistan. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| It also allowed us to refocus on alliances and relationships that had been neglected for a decade. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And Governor Romney, our alliances have never been stronger, in Asia, in Europe, in Africa, with Israel, where we have unprecedented military and intelligence cooperation, including dealing with the Iranian threat. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| But what we also have been able to do is position ourselves so we can start rebuilding America, and that's what my plan does. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Making sure that we're bringing manufacturing back to our shores so that we're creating jobs here, as we've done with the auto industry, not rewarding companies that are shipping jobs overseas. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Making sure that we've got the best education system in the world, including retraining our workers for the jobs of tomorrow. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Doing everything we can to control our own energy. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We've cut our oil imports to the lowest level in two decades because we've developed oil and natural gas. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| But we also have to develop clean energy technologies that will allow us to cut our exports in half by 2020. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| That's the kind of leadership that we need to show. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And we've got to make sure that we reduce our deficit. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Unfortunately, Governor Romney's plan doesn't do it. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We've got to do it in a responsible way by cutting out spending we don't need, but also asking the wealthiest to pay a little bit more. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| That way we can invest in the research and technology that's always kept us at the cutting edge. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Now, Governor Romney has taken a different approach throughout this campaign. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Both at home and abroad, he has proposed wrong and reckless policies. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| He's praised George Bush as a good economic steward and Dick Cheney as somebody who's -- who shows great wisdom and judgment. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And taking us back to those kinds of strategies that got us into this mess are not the way that we are going to maintain leadership in the 21st century. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Governor Romney, "wrong and reckless" policies? | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I've got a policy for the future and agenda for the future. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And when it comes to our economy here at home, I know what it takes to create 12 million new jobs and rising take-home pay. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And what we've seen over the last four years is something I don't want to see over the next four years. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| The president said by now we'd be a 5.4 percent unemployment. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We're 9 million jobs short of that. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I will get America working again and see rising take-home pay again, and I'll do it with five simple steps. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Number one, we are going to have North American energy independence. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We're going to do it by taking full advantage of oil, coal, gas, nuclear and our renewables. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Number two, we're going to increase our trade. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Trade grows about 12 percent year. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| It doubles about every -- every five or so years. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We can do better than that, particularly in Latin America. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| The opportunities for us in Latin America we have just not taken advantage of fully. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| As a matter of fact, Latin America's economy is almost as big as the economy of China. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We're all focused on China. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Latin America is a huge opportunity for us -- time zone, language opportunities. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Number three, we're going to have to have training programs that work for our workers and schools that finally put the parents and the teachers and the kids first, and the teachers' unions going to have to go behind. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And then we're going to have to get to a balanced budget. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We can't expect entrepreneurs and businesses large and small to take their life savings or their company's money and invest in America if they think we're headed to the road to Greece. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And that's where we're going right now unless we finally get off this spending and borrowing binge. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And I'll get us on track to a balanced budget. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And finally, number five, we've got to champion small business. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Small business is where jobs come from. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Two-thirds of our jobs come from small businesses. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| New business formation is down to the lowest level in 30 years under this administration. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I want to bring it back and get back good jobs and rising take-home pay. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Well, let's talk about what we need to compete. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| First of all, Governor Romney talks about small businesses. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| But, Governor, when you were in Massachusetts, small businesses development ranked about 48th, I think out of 50 states in Massachusetts, because the policies that you are promoting actually don't help small businesses. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And the way you define small businesses includes folks at the very top. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And they include you and me. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| That's not the kind of small business promotion we need. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| But let's take an example that we know is going to make a difference in the 21st century and that's our education policy. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We didn't have a lot of chance to talk about this in the last debate. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| You know, under my leadership, what we've done is reformed education, working with governors, 46 states. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We've seen progress and gains in schools that were having a terrible time. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And they're starting to finally make progress. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And what I now want to do is to hire more teachers, especially in math and science, because we know that we've fallen behind when it comes to math and science. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And those teachers can make a difference. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Now, Governor Romney, when you were asked by teachers whether or not this would help the economy grow, you said this isn't going to help the economy grow. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| When you were asked about reduced class sizes, you said class sizes don't make a difference. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| But I tell you, if you talk to teachers, they will tell you it does make a difference. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And if we've got math teachers who are able to provide the kind of support that they need for our kids, that's what's going to determine whether or not the new businesses are created here. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Companies are going to locate here depending on whether we've got the most highly skilled workforce. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And the kinds of budget proposals that you've put forward, when we don't ask either you or me to pay a dime more in terms of reducing the deficit, but instead we slash support for education, that's undermining our long-term competitiveness. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| That is not good for America's position in the world, and the world notices. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Let me get back to foreign policy. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| (CROSSTALK) | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Can I just get back... | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Well -- well, I need to speak a moment... | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| OK. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| ... if you'll let me, Bob, just about education... | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| OK. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| ... because I'm -- I'm so proud of the state that I had the chance to be governor of. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We have every two years tests that look at how well our kids are doing. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Fourth graders and eighth graders are tested in English and math. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| While I was governor, I was proud that our fourth graders came out number one of all 50 states in English, and then also in math. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And our eighth graders number one in English and also in math. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| First time one state had been number one in all four measures. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| How did we do that? | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Well, Republicans and Democrats came together on a bipartisan basis to put in place education principles that focused on having great teachers in the classroom. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Ten years earlier... | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And that was -- that was -- that was what allowed us to become the number one state in the nation. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| But that was 10 years before you took office. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| (CROSSTALK) | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And then you cut education spending when you came into office. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| The first -- the first -- the first -- and we kept our schools number one in the nation. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| They're still number one today. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| All right. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And the principles that we put in place, we also gave kids not just a graduation exam that determined whether they were up to the skills needed to -- to be able compete, but also if they graduated the quarter of their class, they got a four-year tuition- free ride at any Massachusetts public institution of higher learning. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| That happened before you came into office. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Governor... | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| That was actually mine, actually, Mr. President. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| You got that fact wrong. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| (CROSSTALK) | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Let me get -- I want to try to shift it, because we have heard some of this in the other debates. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Governor, you say you want a bigger military. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| You want a bigger Navy. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| You don't want to cut defense spending. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| What I want to ask you -- we were talking about financial problems in this country. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Where are you going to get the money? | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Well, let's come back and talk about the military, but all the way -- all the way through. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| First of all, I'm going through from the very beginning -- we're going to cut about 5 percent of the discretionary budget, excluding military. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| That's number one. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| But can you do this without driving deeper... (CROSSTALK) | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| The good news is (inaudible). | ROMNEHY | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I'd be happy to have you take a look. | ROMNEHY | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Come on our website. | ROMNEHY | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| You look at how we get to a balanced budget within eight to 10 years. | ROMNEHY | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We do it by getting -- by reducing spending in a whole series of programs. | ROMNEHY | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| By the way, number one I get rid of is Obamacare. | ROMNEHY | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| There are a number of things that sound good, but frankly, we just can't afford them. | ROMNEHY | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And that one doesn't sound good and it's not affordable. | ROMNEHY | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| So I'd get rid of that one from day one. | ROMNEHY | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| To the extent humanly possible, we get that out. | ROMNEHY | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We take program after program that we don't absolutely have to have, and we get rid of them. | ROMNEHY | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Number two, we take some programs that we are doing to keep, like Medicaid, which is a program for the poor; we'll take that healthcare program for the poor and we give it to the states to run because states run these programs more efficiently. | ROMNEHY | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| As a governor, I thought please, give me this program. | ROMNEHY | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I can run this more efficiently than the federal government and states, by the way, are proving it. | ROMNEHY | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| States like Arizona, Rhode Island have taken these -- these Medicaid dollars; have shown they can run these programs more cost-effectively. | ROMNEHY | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I want to do those two things and get this -- get this to a balanced budget with eight -- eight to 10 years. | ROMNEHY | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| But the military -- let's get back to the military, though. | ROMNEHY | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| (CROSSTALK)_SCHIEFFER: That's what I'm trying... (CROSSTALK) | NaN | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| He should have answered the first question. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Look, Governor Romney's called for $5 trillion of tax cuts that he says he's going to pay for by closing deductions. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Now, the math doesn't work, but he continues to claim that he's going to do it. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| He then wants to spend another $2 trillion on military spending that our military is not asking for. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Now, keep in mind that our military spending has gone up every single year that I've been in office. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We spend more on our military than the next 10 countries combined; China, Russia, France, the United Kingdom, you name it. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| The next 10. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And what I did was work with our joint chiefs of staff to think about, what are we going to need in the future to make sure that we are safe? | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And that's the budget that we've put forward. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| But, what you can't do is spend $2 trillion in additional military spending that the military is not asking for, $5 trillion on tax cuts. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| You say that you're going to pay for it by closing loopholes and deductions, without naming what those loopholes and deductions are. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And then somehow you're also going to deal with the deficit that we've already got. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| The math simply doesn't work. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| But when it comes to our military, what we have to think about is not, you know just budgets, we've got to think about capabilities. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We need to be thinking about cyber security. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We need to be talking about space. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| That's exactly what our budget does, but it's driven by strategy. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| It's not driven by politics. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| It's not driven by members of Congress, and what they would like to see. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| It's driven by, what are we going to need to keep the American people safe? | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| That's exactly what our budget does, and it also then allows us to reduce our deficit, which is a significant national security concern. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Because we've got to make sure that our economy is strong at home so that we can project military power overseas. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I'm pleased that I've balanced budgets. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I was on the world of business for 25 years. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| If you didn't balance your budget, you went out of business. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I went into the Olympics that was out of balance, and we got it on balance, and made a success there. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I had the chance to be governor of a state. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Four years in a row, Democrats and Republicans came together to balance the budget. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We cut taxes 19 times and balanced our budget. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| The president hasn't balanced a budget yet. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I expect to have the opportunity to do so myself. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| All right. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I'm going to be able to balance the budget. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Let's talk about military spending, and that's this. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| (CROSSTALK) | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Thirty seconds. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Our Navy is old -- excuse me, our Navy is smaller now than at any time since 1917. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| The Navy said they needed 313 ships to carry out their mission. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We're now at under 285. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We're headed down to the low 200s if we go through a sequestration. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| That's unacceptable to me. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I want to make sure that we have the ships that are required by our Navy. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Our Air Force is older and smaller than at any time since it was founded in 1947. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We've changed for the first time since FDR -- since FDR we had the -- we've always had the strategy of saying we could fight in two conflicts at once. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Now we're changing to one conflict. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Look, this, in my view, is the highest responsibility of the President of the United States, which is to maintain the safety of the American people. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And I will not cut our military budget by a trillion dollars, which is a combination of the budget cuts the president has, as well as the sequestration cuts. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| That, in my view, is making -- is making our future less certain and less secure. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Bob, I just need to comment on this. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| First of all, the sequester is not something that I've proposed. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| It is something that Congress has proposed. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| It will not happen. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| The budget that we are talking about is not reducing our military spending. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| It is maintaining it. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| But I think Governor Romney maybe hasn't spent enough time looking at how our military works. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| You mentioned the Navy, for example, and that we have fewer ships than we did in 1916. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Well, Governor, we also have fewer horses and bayonets, because the nature of our military's changed. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We have these things called aircraft carriers, where planes land on them. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We have these ships that go underwater, nuclear submarines. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And so the question is not a game of Battleship, where we're counting slips. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| It's what are our capabilities. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And so when I sit down with the Secretary of the Navy and the Joint Chiefs of Staff, we determine how are we going to be best able to meet all of our defense needs in a way that also keeps faith with our troops, that also makes sure that our veterans have the kind of support that they need when they come home. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And that is not reflected in the kind of budget that you're putting forward because it just doesn't work. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| All right. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And, you know, we visited the website quite a bit and it still doesn't work. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| A lot to cover. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I'd like -- I'd like to move to the next segment: red lines, Israel and Iran. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Would either of you -- and you'll have two minutes -- and, President Obama, you have the first go at this one -- would either of you be willing to declare that an attack on Israel is an attack on the United States, which, of course, is the same promise that we give to our close allies like Japan. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And if you made such a declaration, would not that deter Iran? | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| It's certainly deterred the Soviet Union for a long, long time when we made that -- we made -- we made that promise to our allies. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Mr. President? | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| First of all, Israel is a true friend. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| It is our greatest ally in the region. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And if Israel is attacked, America will stand with Israel. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I've made that clear throughout my presidency. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And... | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| So you're -- you're saying we've already made that declaration. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I will stand with Israel if they are attacked. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And this is the reason why, working with Israel, we have created the strongest military and intelligence cooperation between our two countries in history. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| In fact, this week we'll be carrying out the largest military exercise with Israel in history, this very week. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| But to the issue of Iran, as long as I'm president of the United States Iran will not get a nuclear weapon. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I made that clear when I came into office. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We then organized the strongest coalition and the strongest sanctions against Iran in history, and it is crippling their economy. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Their currency has dropped 80 percent. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Their oil production has plunged to the lowest level since they were fighting a war with Iraq 20 years ago. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| So their economy is in a shambles. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And the reason we did this is because a nuclear Iran is a threat to our national security, and it is a threat to Israel's national security. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We cannot afford to have a nuclear arms race in the most volatile region of the world. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Iran is a state sponsor of terrorism. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And for them to be able to provide nuclear technology to non-state actors, that's unacceptable. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And they have said that they want to see Israel wiped off the map. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| So the work that we've done with respect to sanctions now offers Iran a choice. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| They can take the diplomatic route and end their nuclear program or they will have to face a united world and a United States president, me, who said we're not going to take any options off the table. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| The disagreement I have with Governor Romney is that, during the course of this campaign, he's often talked as if we should take premature military action. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I think that would be a mistake, because when I've sent young men and women into harm's way, I always understand that that is the last resort, not the first resort. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Two minutes. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Well, first of all, I want to underscore the same point the president mad,e which is that if I'm President of the United States, when I'm President of the United States, we will stand with Israel. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And if Israel is attacked, we have their back, not just diplomatically, not just culturally, but militarily. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| That's number one. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Number two, with regards to Iran and the threat of Iran, there's no question but that a nuclear Iran, a nuclear-capable Iran is unacceptable to America. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| It presents a threat not only to our friends but ultimately a threat to us to have Iran have nuclear material, nuclear weapons that could be used against us or used to be threatening to us. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| It is also essential for us to understand what our mission is in Iran, and that is to dissuade Iran from having a nuclear weapon through peaceful and diplomatic means. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And crippling sanctions are something I called for five years ago, when I was in Israel, speaking at the Herzliya Conference. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I laid out seven steps, crippling sanctions were number one. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And they do work. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| You're seeing it right now in the economy. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| It's absolutely the right thing to do, to have crippling sanctions. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I would have put them in place earlier. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| But it's good that we have them. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Number two, something I would add today is I would tighten those sanctions. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I would say that ships that carry Iranian oil, can't come into our ports. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I imagine the E.U. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| would agree with us as well. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Not only ships couldn't, but I'd say companies that are moving their oil can't, people who are trading in their oil can't. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I would tighten those sanctions further. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Secondly, I'd take on diplomatic isolation efforts. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I'd make sure that Ahmadinejad is indicted under the Genocide Convention. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| His words amount to genocide incitation. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I would indict him for it. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I would also make sure that their diplomats are treated like the pariah they are around the world. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| The same way we treated the apartheid diplomats of South Africa. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We need to increase pressure time, and time again on Iran because anything other than a -- a -- a solution to this, which says -- which stops this -- this nuclear folly of theirs, is unacceptable to America. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And of course, a military action is the last resort. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| It is something one would only - only consider if all of the other avenues had been -- had been tried to their full extent. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Let me ask both of you, there -- as you know, there are reports that Iran and the United States a part of an international group, have agreed in principle to talks about Iran's nuclear program. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| What is the deal, if there are such talks? | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| What is the deal that you would accept, Mr. President? | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Well, first of all those are reports in the newspaper. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| They are not true. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| But our goal is to get Iran to recognize it needs to give up its nuclear program and abide by the U.N. resolutions that have been in place. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Because they have the opportunity to reenter the community of nations, and we would welcome that. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| There -- there are people in Iran who have the same aspirations as people all around the world for a better life. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And we hope that their leadership takes the right decision, but the deal we'll accept is they end their nuclear program. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| It's very straightforward. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And I'm glad that Governor Romney agrees with the steps that we're taking. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| You know, there have been times, Governor, frankly, during the course of this campaign, where it sounded like you thought that you'd do the same things we did, but you'd say them louder and somehow that -- that would make a difference. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And it turns out that the work involved in setting up these crippling sanctions is painstaking. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| It's meticulous. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We started from the day we got into office. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And the reason is was so important -- and this is a testament to how we've restored American credibility and strength around the world -- is we had to make sure that all the countries participated, even countries like Russia and China. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Because if it's just us that are imposing sanctions -- we've had sanctions in place a long time. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| It's because we got everybody to agree that Iran is seeing so much pressure. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And we've got to maintain that pressure. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| There is a deal to be had, and that is that they abide by the rules that have already been established. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| They convince the international community they are not pursuing a nuclear program. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| There are inspections that are very intrusive. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| But over time, what they can do is regain credibility. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| In the meantime, though, we're not going to let up the pressure until we have clear evidence that that takes place. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And one last thing -- just -- just to make this point. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| The clock is ticking. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We're not going to allow Iran to perpetually engage in negotiations that lead nowhere. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And I've been very clear to them. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| You know, because of the intelligence coordination that we do with a range of countries, including Israel, we have a sense of when they would get breakout capacity, which means that we would not be able to intervene in time to stop their nuclear program. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And that clock is ticking. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And we're going to make sure that if they do not meet the demands of the international community, then we are going to take all options necessary to make sure they don't have a nuclear weapon. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Governor? | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I think from the very beginning, one of the challenges we've had with Iran is that they have looked at this administration, and felt that the administration was not as strong as it needed to be. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I think they saw weakness where they had expected to find American strength. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And I say that because from the very beginning, the president in his campaign four years ago, said he would meet with all the world's worst actors in his first year, he'd sit down with Chavez and Kim Jong-il, with Castro and President Ahmadinejad of Iran. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And I think they looked and thought, well, that's an unusual honor to receive from the President of the United States. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And then the president began what I have called an apology tour, of going to various nations in the Middle East and criticizing America. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I think they looked at that and saw weakness. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Then when there were dissidents in the streets of Tehran, a Green Revolution, holding signs saying, is America with us, the president was silent. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I think they noticed that as well. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And I think that when the president said he was going to create daylight between ourselves and Israel, that they noticed that as well. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| All of these things suggested, I think, to the Iranian mullahs that, hey, you know, we can keep on pushing along here, we can keep talks going on, we're just going to keep on spinning centrifuges. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Now there are some 10,000 centrifuges spinning uranium, preparing to create a nuclear threat to the United States and to the world. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| That's unacceptable for us, and it's essential for a president to show strength from the very beginning, to make it very clear what is acceptable and not acceptable. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And an Iranian nuclear program is not acceptable to us. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| They must not develop nuclear capability. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And the way to make sure they understand that is by having, from the very beginning, the tightest sanctions possible. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| They need to be tightened. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Our diplomatic isolation needs to be tougher. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We need to indict Ahmadinejad. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We need to put the pressure on them as hard as we possibly can, because if we do that, we won't have to take the military action. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Bob, let me just respond. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Nothing Governor Romney just said is true, starting with this notion of me apologizing. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| This has been probably the biggest whopper that's been told during the course of this campaign. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And every fact checker and every reporter who's looked at it, Governor, has said this is not true. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And when it comes to tightening sanctions, look, as I said before, we've put in the toughest, most crippling sanctions ever. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And the fact is, while we were coordinating an international coalition to make sure these sanctions were effective, you were still invested in a Chinese state oil company that was doing business with the Iranian oil sector. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| So I'll let the American people decide, judge, who's going to be more effective and more credible when it comes to imposing crippling sanctions. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And with respect to our attitude about the Iranian revolution, I was very clear about the murderous activities that had taken place and that was contrary to international law and everything that civilized people stand for. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And -- and so the strength that we have shown in Iran is shown by the fact that we've been able to mobilize the world. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| When I came into office, the world was divided. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Iran was resurgent. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Iran is at its weakest point, economically, strategically, militarily, then since -- then in many years. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And we are going to continue to keep the pressure on to make sure that they do not get a nuclear weapon. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| That's in America's national interest and that will be the case so long as I'm president. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We're four years closer to a nuclear Iran. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We're four years closer to a nuclear Iran. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | NaN | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And -- and -- we should not have wasted these four years to the extent they -- they continue to be able to spin these centrifuges and get that much closer. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| That's number one. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Number two, Mr. President, the reason I call it an apology tour is because you went to the Middle East and you flew to Egypt and to Saudi Arabia and to Turkey and Iraq. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And by the way, you skipped Israel, our closest friend in the region, but you went to the other nations. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And by the way, they noticed that you skipped Israel. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And then in those nations, and on Arabic TV, you said that America had been dismissive and derisive. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| You said that on occasion America had dictated to other nations. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Mr. President, America has not dictated to other nations. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We have freed other nations from dictators. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Bob, let me -- let me respond. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| If we're going to talk about trips that we've taken -- when I was a candidate for office, first trip I took was to visit our troops. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And when I went to Israel as a candidate, I didn't take donors. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I didn't attend fundraisers. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I went to Yad Beshef (ph), the Holocaust museum there, to remind myself the nature of evil and why our bond with Israel will be unbreakable. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And then I went down to the border towns of Storok (ph), which had experienced missiles raining dowm from Hamas. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And I saw families there who showed me there where missiles had come down near their children's bedrooms. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And I was reminded of what that would mean if those were my kids. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Which is why as president, we funded an Iron Dome program to stop those missiles. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| So that's how I've used my travels, when I travel to Israel and when I travel to the region. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And the -- the central question at this point is going to be: Who is going to be credible to all parties involved? | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And they can look at my track record, whether it's Iran sanctions, whether it's dealing with counterterrorism, whether it's supporting democracy, whether it's supporting women's rights, whether it's supporting religious minorities. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And they can say that the President of the United States and the United States of America has stood on the right side of history. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And that kind of credibility is precisely why we've been able to show leadership on a wide range of issues facing the world right now. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| What if -- what if the prime minister of Israel called you on the phone and said, "Our bombers are on the way. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We're going to bomb Iran." | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| What do you -- | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Bob, let's not go into hypotheticals of that nature. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Our relationship with Israel, my relationship with the prime minister of Israel is such that we would not get a call saying our bombers are on the way, or their fighters are on the way. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| This is the kind of thing that would have been discussed and thoroughly evaluated well before that kind of -- (CROSSTALK) | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| So you'd say it just wouldn't happen? | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| That's -- | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| OK. Let's see what -- | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| But let me -- let me come back -- we can come back. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Let's come back to what the president was speaking about, which is what's happening in the world and the president's statement that things are going so well. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Look, I look at what's happening around the world, and i see Iran four years closer to a bomb. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I see the Middle East with a rising tide of violence, chaos, tumult. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I see jihadists continuing to spread, whether they're rising or just about the same level, hard to precisely measure, but it's clear they're there. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| They're very strong. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I see Syria with 30,000 civilians dead, Assad still in power. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I see our trade deficit with China, larger than it's -- growing larger every year, as a matter of fact. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I look around the world and I don't feel that you see North Korea, continuing to export their nuclear technology, Russia said they're not going to follow Nunn-Lugar any more. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| They're back away from a nuclear proliferation treaty that we had with them. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I look around the world, I don't see our influence growing around the world. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I see our influence receding, in part because of the failure of the president to deal with our economic challenges at home; in part because of our withdrawal from our commitment to our military in the way I think it ought to be; in part because of the -- the -- the turmoil with Israel. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I mean, the president received a letter from 38 Democrat senators saying the tensions with Israel were a real problem. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| They asked him, please repair the tension -- Democrat senators -- please repair the tension... | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| All right. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| ... the damage in his -- in his own party. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Governor, the problem is, is that on a whole range of issues, whether it's the Middle East, whether it's Afghanistan, whether it's Iraq, whether it's now Iran, you've been all over the map. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I mean, I'm -- I'm pleased that you now are endorsing our policy of applying diplomatic pressure and potentially having bilateral discussions with the Iranians to end their nuclear program. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| But just a few years ago you said that's something you'd never do. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| In the same way that you initially opposed a timetable in Afghanistan, now you're for it, although it depends. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| In the same way that you say you would have ended the war in Iraq, but recently gave a speech saying that we should have 20,000 more folks in there. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| The same way that you said that it was mission creep to go after Gadhafi. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| When it comes to going after Osama bin Laden, you said, well, any president would make that call. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| But when you were a candidate in 2008, as I was, and I said if I got bin Laden in our sights I would take that shot, you said we shouldn't move heaven and earth to get one man. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And you said we should ask Pakistan for permission. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And if we had asked Pakistan permission, we would not have gotten him. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And it was worth moving heaven and earth to get him. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| You know, after we killed bin Laden I was at ground zero for a memorial and talked to a young women who was four years old when 9/11 happened. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And the last conversation she had with her father was him calling from the twin towers, saying "Peyton (ph), I love you and I will always watch over you." | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And for the next decade, she was haunted by that conversation. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And she said to me, "You know, by finally getting bin Laden, that brought some closure to me." | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And when we do things like that -- when we bring those who have harmed us to justice, that sends a message to the world and it tells Peyton (ph) that we did not forget her father. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And I make that point because that's the kind of clarity of leadership, and those decisions are not always popular. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Those decisions generally -- generally are not poll-tested. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And even some in my own party, including my current vice president, had the same critique as you did. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| But what the American people understand is that I look at what we need to get done to keep the American people safe and to move our interests forward, and I make those decisions. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| All right, let's go. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And that leads us -- this takes us right to the next segment, Governor, America's longest war, Afghanistan and Pakistan... | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Bob... | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Governor, you get to go first. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| You can't -- but you can't have the president just lay out a whole series of items without giving me a chance to respond. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| With respect, sir, you had laid out quite a program... | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Well, that's probably true. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We'll give you -- we'll catch up. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| The United States is scheduled to turn over responsibility for security in Afghanistan to the Afghan government in 2014. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| At that point, we will withdraw our combat troops, leave a smaller force of Americans, if I understand our policy, in Afghanistan for training purposes. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| It seems to me the key question here is: What do you do if the deadline arrives and it is obvious the Afghans are unable to handle their security? | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Do we still leave? | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And I believe, Governor Romney, you go first? | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Well, we're going to be finished by 2014, and when I'm president, we'll make sure we bring our troops out by the end of 2014. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| The commanders and the generals there are on track to do so. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We've seen progress over the past several years. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| The surge has been successful and the training program is proceeding apace. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| There are now a large number of Afghan Security Forces, 350,000 that are ready to step in to provide security and we're going to be able to make that transition by the end of 2014. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| So our troops will come home at that point. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I can tell you at the same time, that we will make sure that we look at what's happening in Pakistan, and recognize that what's happening in Pakistan is going to have a major impact on the success in Afghanistan. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And I say that because I know a lot of people that feel like we should just brush our hands and walk away. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And I don't mean you, Mr. President, but some people in the -- in our nation feel that Pakistan is being nice to us, and that we should walk away fro mthem. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| But Pakistan is important to the region, to the world and to us, because Pakistan has 100 nuclear warheads and they're rushing to build a lot more. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| They'll have more than Great Britain sometime in the -- in the relatively near future. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| They also have the Haqqani Network and the Taliban existent within their country. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And so a Pakistan that falls apart, becomes a failed state, would be of extraordinary danger to Afghanistan and to us. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And so we're going to have to remain helpful in encouraging Pakistan to move towards a more stable government and rebuild the relationship with us. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And that means that our aid that we provide to Pakistan is going to have to be conditioned upon certain benchmarks being met. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| So for me, I look at this as both a need to help move Pakistan in the right direction, and also to get Afghanistan to be ready, and they will be ready by the end of 2014. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Mr. President? | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| When I came into office, we were still bogged down in Iraq and Afghanistan had been drifting for a decade. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We ended the war in Iraq, refocused our attention on Afghanistan, and we did deliver a surge of troops. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| That was facilitated in part because we had ended the war in Iraq. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And we are now in a position where we have met many of the objectives that got us there in the first place. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Part of what had happened is we'd forgotten why we had gone. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We went because there were people who were responsible for 3,000 American deaths. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And so we decimated Al Qaida's core leadership in the border regions between Afghanistan and Pakistan. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We then started to build up Afghan forces. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And we're now in a position where we can transition out, because there's no reason why Americans should die when Afghans are perfectly capable of defending their own country. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Now, that transition has to take place in a responsible fashion. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We've been there a long time, and we've got to make sure that we and our coalition partners are pulling out responsibly and giving Afghans the capabilities that they need. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| But what I think the American people recognize is after a decade of war it's time to do some nation building here at home. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And what we can now do is free up some resources, to, for example, put Americans back to work, especially our veterans, rebuilding our roads, our bridges, our schools, making sure that, you know, our veterans are getting the care that they need when it comes to post-traumatic stress disorder and traumatic brain injury, making sure that the certifications that they need for good jobs of the future are in place. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| You know, I was having lunch with some -- a veteran in Minnesota who had been a medic dealing with the most extreme circumstances. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| When he came home and he wanted to become a nurse, he had to start from scratch. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And what we've said is let's change those certifications. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| The first lady has done great work with an organization called Joining Forces putting our veterans back to work. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And as a consequence, veterans' unemployment is actually now lower than general population. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| It was higher when I came into office. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| So those are the kinds of things that we can now do because we're making that transition in Afghanistan. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| All right. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Let me go to Governor Romney because you talked about Pakistan and what needs to be done there. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| General Allen, our commander in Afghanistan, says that Americans continue to die at the hands of groups who are supported by Pakistan. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We know that Pakistan has arrested the doctor who helped us catch Obama (sic) bin Laden. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| It still provides safe haven for terrorists, yet we continue to give Pakistan billions of dollars. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Is it time for us to divorce Pakistan? | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| No, it's not time to divorce a nation on Earth that has 100 nuclear weapons and is on the way to double that at some point, a nation that has serious threats from terrorist groups within its nation, as I indicated before, the Taliban, Haqqani Network. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| It's a nation that's not like -- like others and it does not have a civilian leadership that is calling the shots there. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| You have the ISI, their intelligence organization, is probably the most powerful of the -- of three branches there. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Then you have the military and then you have the civilian government. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| This is a nation, which, if it falls apart, if it -- if it becomes a failed state, there are nuclear weapons there and you've got -- you've got terrorists there who could grab their -- their hands onto those nuclear weapons. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| This is -- this is an important part of the world for us. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Pakistan is -- is technically an ally, and they're not acting very much like an ally right now. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| But we have some work to do. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And I -- I don't blame the administration for the fact that the relationship with Pakistan is strained. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We -- we had to go into Pakistan. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We had to go in there to get Osama bin Laden. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| That was the right thing to do. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And -- and that upset them, but obviously there was a great deal of anger even before that. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| But we're going to have to work with the -- with the people in Pakistan to try and help them move to a more responsible course than the one that they're on. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And it's important for them. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| It's important for the nuclear weapons. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| It's important for the success of Afghanistan. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Because inside Pakistan, you have a -- a large group of Pashtun that are -- that are Taliban. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| They're going to come rushing back in to Afghanistan when we go. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And that's one of the reasons the Afghan Security Forces have so much work to do to be able to fight against that. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| But it's important for us to recognize that we can't just walk away from Pakistan. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| But we do need to make sure that as we -- as we send support for them, that this is tied to them making progress on -- on matters that would lead them to becoming a civil society. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Let -- let me ask you, Governor because we know President Obama's position on this, what is -- what is your position on the use of drones? | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Well I believe we should use any and all means necessary to take out people who pose a threat to us and our friends around the world. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And it's widely reported that drones are being used in drone strikes, and I support that and entirely, and feel the president was right to up the usage of that technology, and believe that we should continue to use it, to continue to go after the people that represent a threat to this nation and to our friends. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| But let me also note that as I said earlier, we're going to have to do more than just going after leaders and -- and killing bad guys, important as that is. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We're also going to have to have a farm more effective and comprehensive strategy to help move the world away from terror and Islamic extremism. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We haven't done that yet. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We talk a lot about these things, but you look at the -- the record, you look at the record. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| You look at the record of the last four years and say is Iran closer to a bomb? | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Yes. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Is the Middle East in tumult? | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Yes. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | NaN | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Is -- is al-Qaida on the run, on its heels? | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| No. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Is -- are Israel and the Palestinians closer to reaching a peace agreement? | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| No, they haven't had talks in two years. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We have not seen the progress we need to have, and I'm convinced that with strong leadership and an effort to build a strategy based upon helping these nations reject extremism, we can see the kind of peace and prosperity the world demands. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Well, keep in mind our strategy wasn't just going after bin Laden. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We created partnerships throughout the region to deal with extremism in Somalia, in Yemen, in Pakistan. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And what we've also done is engaged these governments in the kind of reforms that are actually going to make a difference in people's lives day to day, to make sure that their governments aren't corrupt, to make sure that they're treating women with the kind of respect and dignity that every nation that succeeds has shown and to make sure that they've got a free market system that works. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| So across the board, we are engaging them in building capacity in these countries. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And we have stood on the side of democracy. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| One thing I think Americans should be proud of, when Tunisians began to protest, this nation -- me, my administration -- stood with them earlier than just about any country. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| In Egypt we stood on the side of democracy. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| In Libya we stood on the side of the people. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And as a consequence, there's no doubt that attitudes about Americans have changed. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| But there are always going to be elements in these countries that potentially threaten the United States. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And we want to shrink those groups and those networks and we can do that. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| But we're always also going to have to maintain vigilance when it comes to terrorist activities. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| The truth, though, is that Al Qaeda is much weaker than it was when I came into office. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And they don't have the same capacities to attack the U.S. homeland and our allies as they did four years ago. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Let's -- let's go to the next segment, because it's a very important one. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| It is the rise of China and future challenges for America. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I want to just begin this by asking both of you, and Mr. President, you -- you go first this time. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| What do you believe is the greatest future threat to the national security of this country? | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Well, I think it will continue to be terrorist networks. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We have to remain vigilant, as I just said. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| But with respect to China, China is both an adversary, but also a potential partner in the international community if it's following the rules. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| So my attitude coming into office was that we are going to insist that China plays by the same rules as everybody else. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I know Americans had seen jobs being shipped overseas; businesses and workers not getting a level playing field when it came to trade. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And that's the reason why I set up a trade task force to go after cheaters when it came to international trade. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| That's the reason why we have brought more cases against China for violating trade rules than the other -- the previous administration had done in two terms. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And we've won just about every case that we've filed, that has been decided. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| In fact, just recently steelworkers in Ohio and throughout the Midwest -- Pennsylvania -- are in a position now to sell steel to China because we won that case. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We had a tire case in which they were flooding us with cheap domestic tires -- or -- or cheap Chinese tires. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And we put a stop to it and as a consequence saved jobs throughout America. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I have to say that Governor Romney criticized me for being too tough in that tire case; said this wouldn't be good for American workers and that it would be protectionist. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| But I tell you, those workers don't feel that way. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| They feel as if they had finally an administration who was going to take this issue seriously. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Over the long term, in order for us to compete with China, we've also got to make sure, though, that we're taking -- taking care of business here at home. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| If we don't have the best education system in the world, if we don't continue to put money into research and technology that will allow us to create great businesses here in the United States, that's how we lose the competition. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And, unfortunately, Governor Romney's budget and his proposals would not allow us to make those investments. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| All right. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Governor? | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Well, first of all, it's not government that makes business successful. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| It's not government investments that makes businesses grow and hire people. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Let me also note that the greatest threat that the world faces, the greatest national security threat is a nuclear Iran. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Let's talk about China. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| China has an interest that's very much like ours in one respect, and that is they want a stable world. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| They don't want war. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| They don't want to see protectionism. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| They don't want to see the world break out into -- into various forms of chaos, because they have to -- they have to manufacture goods and put people to work and they have about 20,000 -- 20 million, rather, people coming out of the farms every year coming into the cities, needing jobs. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| So they want the economy to work and the world to be free and open. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And so we can be a partner with China. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We don't have to be an adversary in any way, shape or form. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We can work with them, we can collaborate with them, if they're willing to be responsible. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Now, they look at us and say, Is it a good idea to be with America? | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| How strong are we going to be? | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| How strong is our economy? | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| They look at the fact that we owe 'em a trillion dollars and owe other people $16 trillion in total, including that. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| They look at our -- our decision to -- to cut back on our military capabilities. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| A trillion dollars. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| The secretary of defense called these trillion dollars of cuts to our military devastating. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| It's not my term, it's the president's own secretary of defense called these trillion dollars of cuts to our military devastating. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| It's not my term, it's the president's own Secretary of Defense, called them devastating. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| They look at America's commitments around the world and they see what's happening, and they say, well, OK. Is America going to be strong? | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And the answer is, yes, if I'm president, America will be very strong. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We'll also make sure that we have trade relations with China that work for us. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I've watched year in and year out as companies have shut down and people have lost their jobs because China has not played by the same rules, in part by holding down artificially the value of their currency. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| It holds down the prices of their goods. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| It means our goods aren't as competitive and we lose jobs. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| That's got to end. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| They're making some progress; they need to make more. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| That's why on day one, i will label them a currency manipulator, which allows us to apply tariffs where they're taking jobs. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| They're stealing our intellectual property, our patents, our designs, our technology, hacking into our computers, counterfeiting our goods. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| They have to understand we want to trade with them. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We want a world that's stable. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We like free enterprise, but you got to play by the rules. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Well, Governor, let me just ask you. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| If you declare them a currency manipulator on day one, some people are -- say you're just going to start a trade war with China on day one. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Is that -- isn't there a risk that that could happen? | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Well, they sell us about this much stuff every year, and we sell them about this much stuff every year. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| So it's pretty clear who doesn't want a trade war. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And there's one going on right now, which we don't know about it. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| It's a silent one. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And they're winning. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We have enormous trade imbalance with China, and it's worse this year than last year, and it's worse last year than the year before. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And so we have to understand that we can't just surrender and lose jobs year in and year out. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We have to say to our friend in China, look, you guys are playing aggressively. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We understand it. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| But this can't keep on going. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| You can't keep on holding down the value of your currency, stealing our intellectual property, counterfeiting our products, selling them around the world, even to the United States. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I was with one company that makes valves and -- and process industries and they said, look, we were -- we were having some valves coming in that -- that were broken and we had to repair them under warranty and we looked them and -- and they had our serial number on them. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And then we noticed that there was more than one with that same serial number. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| They were counterfeit products being made overseas with the same serial number as a U.S. company, the same packaging, these were being sold into our market and around the world as if they were made by the U.S. competitor. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| This can't go on. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I want a great relationship with China. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| China can be our partner, but -- but that doesn't mean they can just roll all over us and steal our jobs on an unfair basis. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Well, Governor Romney's right, you are familiar with jobs being shipped overseas because you invested in companies that were shipping jobs overseas. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And, you know, that's -- you're right. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I mean that's how our free market works. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| But I've made a different bet on American workers. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| If we had taken your advice Governor Romney about our auto industry, we'd be buying cars from China instead of selling cars to China. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| If we take your advice with respect to how we change our tax codes so that companies that earn profits overseas don't pay U.S. taxes compared to companies here that are paying taxes. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Now that's estimated to create 800,000 jobs, the problem is they won't be here, they'll be in places like China. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And if we're not making investments in education and basic research, which is not something that the private sector is doing at a sufficient pace right now and has never done, then we will lose the (inaudible) in things like clean energy technology. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Now with respect to what we've done with China already, U.S. exports have doubled since I came into office, to China and actually currencies are at their most advantageous point for U.S. exporters since 1993. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We absolutely have to make more progress and that's why we're going to keep on pressing. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And when it comes to our military and Chinese security, part of the reason that we were able to pivot to the Asia-Pacific region after having ended the war in Iraq and transitioning out of Afghanistan, is precisely because this is going to be a massive growth area in the future. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And we believe China can be a partner, but we're also sending a very clear signal that America is a Pacific power; that we are going to have a presence there. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We are working with countries in the region to make sure, for example, that ships can pass through; that commerce continues. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And we're organizing trade relations with countries other than China so that China starts feeling more pressure about meeting basic international standards. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| That's the kind of leadership we've shown in the region. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| That's the kind of leadership that we'll continue to show. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I just want to take one of those points, again, attacking me as not talking about an agenda for -- for getting more trade and opening up more jobs in this country. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| But the president mentioned the auto industry and that somehow I would be in favor of jobs being elsewhere. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Nothing could be further from the truth. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I'm a son of Detroit. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I was born in Detroit. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| My dad was head of a car company. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I like American cars. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And I would do nothing to hurt the U.S. auto industry. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| My plan to get the industry on its feet when it was in real trouble was not to start writing checks. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| It was President Bush that wrote the first checks. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I disagree with that. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I said they need -- these companies need to go through a managed bankruptcy. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And in that process, they can get government help and government guarantees, but they need to go through bankruptcy to get rid of excess cost and the debt burden that they'd -- they'd built up. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And fortunately... (CROSSTALK) | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Governor Romney, that's not what you said... (CROSSTALK) | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Governor Romney, you did not... | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| You can take a look at the op-ed... (CROSSTALK) | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| You did not say that you would provide government help. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I said that we would provide guarantees, and -- and that was what was able to allow these companies to go through bankruptcy, to come out of bankruptcy. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Under no circumstances would I do anything other than to help this industry get on its feet. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And the idea that has been suggested that I would liquidate the industry, of course not. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Of course not. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| (CROSSTALK) | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Let's check the record. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| (CROSSTALK) | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| That's the height of silliness... (CROSSTALK) | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Let -- let -- let's... (CROSSTALK) | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I have never said I would liquidate... (CROSSTALK) | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| ...at the record. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| (CROSSTALK) | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| ...I would liquidate the industry. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| (CROSSTALK) | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Governor, the people in Detroit don't forget. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| (CROSSTALK) | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| ...and -- and that's why I have the kind of commitment to ensure that our industries in this country can compete and be successful. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We in this country can -- can compete successfully with anyone in the world, and we're going to. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We're going to have to have a president, however, that doesn't think that somehow the government investing in -- in car companies like Tesla and -- and Fisker, making electric battery cars. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| This is not research, Mr President, these are the government investing in companies. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Investing in Solyndra. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| This is a company, this isn't basic research. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I -- I want to invest in research. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Research is great. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Providing funding to universities and think tanks is great. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| But investing in companies? | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Absolutely not. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| (CROSSTALK) | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Governor? | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| That's the wrong way to go. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| (CROSSTALK) | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| The fact of the matter is... (CROSSTALK) | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I'm still speaking. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| So I want to make sure that we make -- we make America more competitive. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Yeah. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And that we do those things that make America the most attractive place in the world for entrepreneurs, innovators, businesses to grow. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| But you're investing in companies doesn't do that. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| In fact it makes it less likely for them to come here... | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Governor? | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| ...because the private sector's not going to invest in a... (CROSSTALK) | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I'm -- I'm -- I'm happy. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| (CROSSTALK) | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| ...company... (CROSSTALK) | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| ...to respond to you... (CROSSTALK) | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| ...if -- if you're... (CROSSTALK) | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| ...you've had the floor for a while. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| (CROSSTALK) | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| ...get someone else's. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| The -- look, I think anybody out there can check the record. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Governor Romney, you keep on trying to, you know airbrush history here. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| You were very clear that you would not provide, government assistance to the U.S. auto companies, even if they went through bankruptcy. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| You said that they could get it in the private marketplace. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| That wasn't true. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| They would have gone through a... (CROSSTALK) | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| You're wrong... (CROSSTALK) | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| ...they would have gone through a... (CROSSTALK) | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| ...you're wrong. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| (CROSSTALK) | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| No, I am not wrong. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I am not wrong. | Barack H. Obama | NaN | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| (CROSSTALK) | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| People can look it up, you're right. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| People will look it up. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Good. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| But more importantly it is true that in order for us to be competitive, we're going to have to make some smart choices right now. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Cutting our education budget, that's not a smart choice. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| That will not help us compete with China. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Cutting our investments in research and technology, that's not a smart choice. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| That will not help us compete with China. | Barack H. Obama | NaN | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Bringing down our deficit by adding $7 trillion of tax cuts and military spending that our military is not asking for, before we even get to the debt that we currently have, that is not going to make us more competitive. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Those are the kinds of choices that the American people face right now. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Having a tax code that rewards companies that are shipping jobs overseas instead of companies that are investing here in the United States, that will not make us more competitive. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And the one thing that I'm absolutely clear about is that after a decade in which we saw drift, jobs being shipped overseas, nobody championing American workers and American businesses, we've now begun to make some real progress. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| What we can't do is go back to the same policies that got us into such difficulty in the first place. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| That's why we have to move forward and not go back. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I couldn't agree more about going forward, but I certainly don't want to go back to the policies of the last four years. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| The policies of the last four years have seen incomes in America decline every year for middle income families, now down $4,300 during your term. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Twenty-three million Americans still struggling to find a good job. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| When you came to office 32 million people on food stamps. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Today, 47 million people on food stamps. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| When you came to office, just over $10 trillion in debt, now $16 trillion in debt. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| It hasn't worked. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| You said by now we'd be at 5.4 percent unemployment. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We're 9 million jobs short of that. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I've met some of those people. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I've met them in Appleton, Wisconsin. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I met a young woman in -- in Philadelphia who's coming out of -- out of college, can't find work. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I've been -- Ann was with someone just the other day that was just weeping about not being able to get work. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| It's just a tragedy in a nation so prosperous as ours, that the last four years have been so hard. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And that's why it's so critical, that we make America once again the most attractive place in the world to start businesses, to build jobs, to grow the economy. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And that's not going to happen by just hiring teachers. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Look, I love to -- I love teachers, and I'm happy to have states and communities that want to hire teachers do that. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| By the way, I don't like to have the federal government start pushing its weight deeper and deeper into our schools. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Let the states and localities do that. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I was a governor. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| The federal government didn't hire our teachers. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Governor? | UNIDENTIFIED_MALE | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| But I love teachers. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| But I want to get our private sector growing and I know how to do it. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I think we all love teachers. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| (LAUGHTER) | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Gentlemen, thank you so much for a very vigorous debate. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We have come to the end. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| It is time for closing statements, I believe you're first, Mr. President. | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Well, thank you very much, Bob, Governor Romney, and to Lynn University. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| You've now heard three debates, months of campaigning and way too many TV commercials. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And now you've got a choice. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Over the last four years we've made real progress digging our way out of policies that gave us two prolonged wars, record deficits and the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And Governor Romney wants to take us back to those policies, a foreign policy that's wrong and reckless, economic policies that won't create jobs, won't reduce our deficit, but will make sure that folks at the very top don't have to play by the same rules that you do. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And I've got a different vision for America. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I want to build on our strengths. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And I've put forward a plan to make sure that we're bringing manufacturing jobs back to our shores by rewarding companies and small businesses that are investing here, not overseas. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I want to make sure we've got the best education system in the world. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And we're retaining our workers for the jobs of tomorrow. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I want to control our own energy by developing oil and natural gas but also the energy sources of the future. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Yes, I want to reduce our deficit by cutting spending that we don't need but also by asking the wealthy to do a little bit more so that we can invest in things like research and technology that are the key to a 21st century economy. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| As Commander in Chief, I will maintain the strongest military in the world, keep faith with our troops and go after those who would do us harm. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| but after a decade of war, I think we all recognize we've got to do some nation building here at home, rebuilding our roads, our bridges and especially caring for our Veterans who sacrificed so much for our freedom. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And we've been through tough times but we always bounce back because of our character, because we pull together and if I have the privilege of being your president for another four years, I promise you I will always listen to your voices. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I will fight for your families and I will work every single day to make sure that America continues to be the greatest nation on earth. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Thank you. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Governor? | Bob Schieffer | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Thank you. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Bob, Mr. President, folks at Lynn University, good to be with you. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I'm optimistic about the future. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I'm excited about our prospects as a nation. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I want to see peace. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I want to see growing peace in this country. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| It's our objective. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We have an opportunity to have real leadership. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| America's going to have that kind of leadership and continue to promote principles of peace to make a world a safer place and make people in this country more confident that their future is secure. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I also want to make sure that we get this economy going. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| And there are two very different paths the country can take. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| One is a path represented by the president, which at the end of four years would mean we'd have $20 trillion in debt heading towards Greece. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I'll get us on track to a balanced budget. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| The president's path will mean continuing declining in take-home pay. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I want to make sure our take-home pay turns around and starts to grow. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| The president's path will mean continuing declining in take-home pay. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | NaN | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I want to make sure take-home pay turns around and starts to grow. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| The president's path means 20 million people out of work struggling for a good job. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I'll get people back to work with 12 million new jobs. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I'm going to make sure that we get people off of food stamps, not by cutting the program, but by getting them good jobs. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| America's going to come back, and for that to happen, we're going to have to have a president who can work across the aisle. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I was in a state where my legislature was 87 percent Democrat. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I learned how to get along on the other side of the aisle. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We've got to do that in Washington. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Washington is broken. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I know what it takes to get this country back, and will work with good Democrats and good Republicans to do that. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| This nation is the hope of the earth. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We've been blessed by having a nation that's free and prosperous thanks to the contributions of the greatest generation. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| They've held a torch for the world to see -- the torch of freedom and hope and opportunity. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Now, it's our turn to take that torch. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I'm convinced we'll do it. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| We need strong leadership. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I'd like to be that leader with your support. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I'll work with you. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I'll lead you in an open and honest way, and I ask for your vote. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| I'd like to be the next president of the United States to support and help this great nation and to make sure that we all together remain America as the hope of the earth. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Thank you so much. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 22 Oct 2012 |
| Good evening from the Magness Arena at the University of Denver in Denver, Colorado. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I'm Jim Lehrer of the "PBS NewsHour," and I welcome you to the first of the 2012 presidential debates between President Barack Obama, the Democratic nominee, and former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney, the Republican nominee. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| This debate and the next three -- two presidential, one vice presidential -- are sponsored by the Commission on Presidential Debates. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Tonight's 90 minutes will be about domestic issues and will follow a format designed by the commission. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| There will be six roughly 15-minute segments with two-minute answers for the first question, then open discussion for the remainder of each segment. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Thousands of people offered suggestions on segment subjects or questions via the Internet and other means, but I made the final selections. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And for the record, they were not submitted for approval to the commission or the candidates. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| The segments as I announced in advance will be three on the economy and one each on health care, the role of government and governing, with an emphasis throughout on differences, specifics and choices. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Both candidates will also have two-minute closing statements. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| The audience here in the hall has promised to remain silent -- no cheers, applause, boos, hisses, among other noisy distracting things, so we may all concentrate on what the candidates have to say. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| There is a noise exception right now, though, as we welcome President Obama and Governor Romney. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| (APPLAUSE) Gentlemen, welcome to you both. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Let's start the economy, segment one, and let's begin with jobs. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| What are the major differences between the two of you about how you would go about creating new jobs? | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| You have two minutes. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Each of you have two minutes to start. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| A coin toss has determined, Mr. President, you go first. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Well, thank you very much, Jim, for this opportunity. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I want to thank Governor Romney and the University of Denver for your hospitality. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| There are a lot of points I want to make tonight, but the most important one is that 20 years ago I became the luckiest man on Earth because Michelle Obama agreed to marry me. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And so I just want to wish, Sweetie, you happy anniversary and let you know that a year from now we will not be celebrating it in front of 40 million people. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| (LAUGHTER) You know, four years ago we went through the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Millions of jobs were lost, the auto industry was on the brink of collapse. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| The financial system had frozen up. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And because of the resilience and the determination of the American people, we've begun to fight our way back. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Over the last 30 months, we've seen 5 million jobs in the private sector created. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| The auto industry has come roaring back. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And housing has begun to rise. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| But we all know that we've still got a lot of work to do. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And so the question here tonight is not where we've been, but where we're going. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Governor Romney has a perspective that says if we cut taxes, skewed towards the wealthy, and roll back regulations, that we'll be better off. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I've got a different view. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I think we've got to invest in education and training. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I think it's important for us to develop new sources of energy here in America, that we change our tax code to make sure that we're helping small businesses and companies that are investing here in the United States, that we take some of the money that we're saving as we wind down two wars to rebuild America and that we reduce our deficit in a balanced way that allows us to make these critical investments. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Now, it ultimately is going to be up to the voters -- to you -- which path we should take. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Are we going to double on top-down economic policies that helped to get us into this mess or do we embrace a new economic patriotism that says America does best when the middle class does best? | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And I'm looking forward to having that debate. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Governor Romney, two minutes. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Thank you, Jim. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| It's an honor to be here with you, and I appreciate the chance to be with the president. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I'm pleased to be at the University of Denver, appreciate their welcome, and also the Presidential Commission on these debates. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And congratulations to you, Mr. President, on your anniversary. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I'm sure this was the most romantic place you could imagine, here -- here with me. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| So I... (LAUGHTER) Congratulations. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| This is obviously a very tender topic. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I've had the occasion over the last couple of years of meeting people across the country. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I was in Dayton, Ohio, and a woman grabbed my arm and she said, "I've been out of work since May. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Can you help me?" | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Ann yesterday was at a rally in Denver and a woman came up to her with a baby in her arms and said, "Ann, my husband has had four jobs in three years, part-time jobs. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| He's lost his most recent job and we've now just lost our home. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Can you help us?" | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And the answer is, yes, we can help, but it's going to take a different path. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Not the one we've been on, not the one the president describes as a top-down, cut taxes for the rich. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| That's not what I'm going to do. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| My plan has five basic parts. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| One, get us energy independent, North American energy independent. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| That creates about 4 million jobs. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Number two, open up more trade, particularly in Latin America. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Crack down on China, if and when they cheat. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Number three, make sure our people have the skills they need to succeed and the best schools in the world. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| We're far away from that now. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Number four, get to us a balanced budget. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Number five, champion small business. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| It's small business that creates the jobs in America, and over the last four years, small business people have decided that America may not be the place to open a new business because new business startups are down to a 30-year low. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Now, I'm concerned that the path that we're on has just been unsuccessful. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| The president has a view very similar to the view he had when he ran four years, that a bigger government, spending more, taxing more, regulating more -- if you will, trickle-down government -- would work. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| That's not the right answer for America. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I'll restore the vitality that gets America working again. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Thank you. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Mr. President, please respond directly to what the governor just said about trickle-down -- his trick-down approach, as he said yours is. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Well, let me talk specifically about what I think we need to do. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| First, we've got to improve our education system and we've made enormous progress drawing on ideas both from Democrats and Republicans that are already starting to show gains in some of the toughest to deal with schools. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| We've got a program called Race to the Top that has prompted reforms in 46 states around the country, raising standards, improving how we train teachers. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| So now I want to hire another 100,000 new math and science teachers, and create 2 million more slots in our community colleges so that people can get trained for the jobs that are out there right now. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And I want to make sure that we keep tuition low for our young people. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| When it comes to our tax code, Governor Romney and I both agree that our corporate tax rate is too high, so I want to lower it, particularly for manufacturing, taking it down to 25 percent. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| But I also want to close those loopholes that are giving incentives for companies that are shipping jobs overseas. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I want to provide tax breaks for companies that are investing here in the United States. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| On energy, Governor Romney and I, we both agree that we've got to boost American energy production, and oil and natural gas production are higher than they've been in years. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| But I also believe that we've got to look at the energy sources of the future, like wind and solar and biofuels, and make those investments. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| So all of this is possible. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Now, in order for us to do it, we do have to close our deficit, and one of the things I'm sure we'll be discussing tonight is, how do we deal with our tax code? | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And how do we make sure that we are reducing spending in a responsible way, but also, how do we have enough revenue to make those investments? | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And this is where there's a difference, because Governor Romney's central economic plan calls for a $5 trillion tax cut -- on top of the extension of the Bush tax cuts -- that's another trillion dollars -- and $2 trillion in additional military spending that the military hasn't asked for. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| That's $8 trillion. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| How we pay for that, reduce the deficit, and make the investments that we need to make, without dumping those costs onto middle-class Americans, I think is one of the central questions of this campaign. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Both of you have spoken about a lot of different things, and we're going to try to get through them in as specific a way as we possibly can. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| But, first, Governor Romney, do you have a question that you'd like to ask the president directly about something he just said? | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Well, sure. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I'd like to clear up the record and go through it piece by piece. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| First of all, I don't have a $5 trillion tax cut. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I don't have a tax cut of a scale that you're talking about. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| My view is that we ought to provide tax relief to people in the middle class. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| But I'm not going to reduce the share of taxes paid by high-income people. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| High-income people are doing just fine in this economy. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| They'll do fine whether you're president or I am. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| The people who are having the hard time right now are middle- income Americans. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Under the president's policies, middle-income Americans have been buried. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| They're just being crushed. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Middle- income Americans have seen their income come down by $4,300. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| This is a -- this is a tax in and of itself. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I'll call it the economy tax. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| It's been crushing. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| At the same time, gasoline prices have doubled under the president. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Electric rates are up. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Food prices are up. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Health care costs have gone up by $2,500 a family. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Middle-income families are being crushed. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And so the question is how to get them going again. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And I've described it. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| It's energy and trade, the right kind of training programs, balancing our budget and helping small business. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Those are the -- the cornerstones of my plan. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| But the president mentioned a couple of other ideas I'll just note. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| First, education. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Education is key, particularly the future of our economy. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| But our training programs right now, we've got 47 of them, housed in the federal government, reporting to eight different agencies. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Overhead is overwhelming. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| We've got to get those dollars back to the states and go to the workers so they can create their own pathways to get in the training they need for jobs that will really help them. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| The second area, taxation, we agree, we ought to bring the tax rates down. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And I do, both for corporations and for individuals. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| But in order for us not to lose revenue, have the government run out of money, I also lower deductions and credits and exemptions, so that we keep taking in the same money when you also account for growth. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| The third area, energy. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Energy is critical, and the president pointed out correctly that production of oil and gas in the U.S. is up. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| But not due to his policies. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| In spite of his policies. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Mr. President, all of the increase in natural gas and oil has happened on private land, not on government land. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| On government land, your administration has cut the number of permits and licenses in half. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| If I'm president, I'll double them, and also get the -- the oil from offshore and Alaska. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And I'll bring that pipeline in from Canada. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And, by the way, I like coal. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I'm going to make sure we can continue to burn clean coal. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| People in the coal industry feel like it's getting crushed by your policies. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I want to get America and North America energy independent so we can create those jobs. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And finally, with regards to that tax cut, look, I'm not looking to cut massive taxes and to reduce the -- the revenues going to the government. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| My -- my number-one principal is, there will be no tax cut that adds to the deficit. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I want to underline that: no tax cut that adds to the deficit. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| But I do want to reduce the burden being paid by middle-income Americans. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And I -- and to do that, that also means I cannot reduce the burden paid by high-income Americans. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| So any -- any language to the contrary is simply not accurate. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Mr. President? | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Well, I think -- let's talk about taxes, because I think it's instructive. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Now, four years ago, when I stood on this stage, I said that I would cut taxes for middle-class families. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And that's exactly what I did. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| We cut taxes for middle-class families by about $3,600. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And the reason is, because I believe that we do best when the middle class is doing well. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And by giving them those tax cuts, they had a little more money in their pocket, and so maybe they can buy a new car. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| They are certainly in a better position to weather the extraordinary recession that we went through. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| They can buy a computer for their kid who's going off to college, which means they're spending more money, businesses have more customers, businesses make more profits, and then hire more workers. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Now, Governor Romney's proposal that he has been promoting for 18 months calls for a $5 trillion tax cut, on top of $2 trillion of additional spending for our military. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And he is saying that he is going to pay for it by closing loopholes and deductions. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| The problem is that he's been asked over 100 times how you would close those deductions and loopholes, and he hasn't been able to identify them. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| But I'm going to make an important point here, Jim. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| All right. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| When you add up all the loopholes and deductions that upper-income individuals can -- are currently taking advantage of, you take those all away, you don't come close to paying for $5 trillion in tax cuts and $2 trillion in additional military spending. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And that's why independent studies looking at this said the only way to meet Governor Romney's pledge of not reducing the deficit or -- or -- or not adding to the deficit is by burdening middle-class families. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| The average middle-class family with children would pay about $2,000 more. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Now, that's not my analysis. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| That's the analysis of economists who have looked at this. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And -- and that kind of top -- top-down economics, where folks at the top are doing well, so the average person making $3 million is getting a $250,000 tax break, while middle-class families are burdened further, that's not what I believe is a recipe for economic growth. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| All right. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| What is the difference? | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Let's just stay on taxes. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| (CROSSTALK) | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Just -- let's just stay on taxes for (inaudible). | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| (CROSSTALK) | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| What is the difference... | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Well, but -- but virtually -- virtually everything he just said about my tax plan is inaccurate. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| All right. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| So if the tax plan he described were a tax plan I was asked to support, I'd say absolutely not. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I'm not looking for a $5 trillion tax cut. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| What I've said is I won't put in place a tax cut that adds to the deficit. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| That's part one. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| So there's no economist that can say Mitt Romney's tax plan adds $5 trillion if I say I will not add to the deficit with my tax plan. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Number two, I will not reduce the share paid by high-income individuals. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I know that you and your running mate keep saying that and I know it's a popular thing to say with a lot of people, but it's just not the case. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Look, I've got five boys. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I'm used to people saying something that's not always true, but just keep on repeating it and ultimately hoping I'll believe it. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| But that -- that is not the case. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| All right? | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I will not reduce the taxes paid by high-income Americans. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And number three, I will not under any circumstances raise taxes on middle-income families. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I will lower taxes on middle-income families. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Now, you cite a study. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| There are six other studies that looked at the study you describe and say it's completely wrong. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I saw a study that came out today that said you're going to raise taxes by $3,000 to $4,000 on middle-income families. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| There are all these studies out there. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| But let's get at the bottom line. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| That is, I want to bring down rates. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I want to bring the rates down, at the same time lower deductions and exemptions and credits and so forth, so we keep getting the revenue we need. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And you'd think, well, then why lower the rates? | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And the reason is because small business pays that individual rate; 54 percent of America's workers work in businesses that are taxed not at the corporate tax rate, but at the individual tax rate. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And if we lower that rate, they will be able to hire more people. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| For me, this is about jobs. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| This is about getting jobs for the American people. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| (CROSSTALK) | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| That's where we started. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Yeah. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Do you challenge what the governor just said about his own plan? | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Well, for 18 months he's been running on this tax plan. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And now, five weeks before the election, he's saying that his big, bold idea is, "Never mind." | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And the fact is that if you are lowering the rates the way you described, Governor, then it is not possible to come up with enough deductions and loopholes that only affect high-income individuals to avoid either raising the deficit or burdening the middle class. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| It's -- it's math. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| It's arithmetic. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Now, Governor Romney and I do share a deep interest in encouraging small-business growth. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| So at the same time that my tax plan has already lowered taxes for 98 percent of families, I also lowered taxes for small businesses 18 times. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And what I want to do is continue the tax rates -- the tax cuts that we put into place for small businesses and families. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| But I have said that for incomes over $250,000 a year, that we should go back to the rates that we had when Bill Clinton was president, when we created 23 million new jobs, went from deficit to surplus, and created a whole lot of millionaires to boot. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And the reason this is important is because by doing that, we cannot only reduce the deficit, we cannot only encourage job growth through small businesses, but we're also able to make the investments that are necessary in education or in energy. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And we do have a difference, though, when it comes to definitions of small business. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Under -- under my plan, 97 percent of small businesses would not see their income taxes go up. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Governor Romney says, well, those top 3 percent, they're the job creators, they'd be burdened. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| But under Governor Romney's definition, there are a whole bunch of millionaires and billionaires who are small businesses. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Donald Trump is a small business. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Now, I know Donald Trump doesn't like to think of himself as small anything, but -- but that's how you define small businesses if you're getting business income. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And that kind of approach, I believe, will not grow our economy, because the only way to pay for it without either burdening the middle class or blowing up our deficit is to make drastic cuts in things like education, making sure that we are continuing to invest in basic science and research, all the things that are helping America grow. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And I think that would be a mistake. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| All right. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Jim, let me just come back on that -- on that point, which is these... | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Just for the -- just for record... (CROSSTALK) | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| ... the small businesses we're talking about... | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Excuse me. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Excuse me. | Jim Lehrer | NaN | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Just so everybody understands, we're way over our first 15 minutes. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| It's fun, isn't it? | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| It's OK, it's great. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| No problem. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Well, you all don't have -- you don't have a problem, I don't have a problem, because we're still on the economy. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| We're going to come back to taxes. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I want move on to the deficit and a lot of other things, too. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| OK, but go ahead, sir. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| You bet. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Well, President, you're -- Mr. President, you're absolutely right, which is that, with regards to 97 percent of the businesses are not -- not taxed at the 35 percent tax rate, they're taxed at a lower rate. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| But those businesses that are in the last 3 percent of businesses happen to employ half -- half of all the people who work in small business. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Those are the businesses that employ one-quarter of all the workers in America. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And your plan is to take their tax rate from 35 percent to 40 percent. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Now, and -- and I've talked to a guy who has a very small business. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| He's in the electronics business in -- in St. Louis. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| He has four employees. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| He said he and his son calculated how much they pay in taxes, federal income tax, federal payroll tax, state income tax, state sales tax, state property tax, gasoline tax. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| It added up to well over 50 percent of what they earned. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And your plan is to take the tax rate on successful small businesses from 35 percent to 40 percent. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| The National Federation of Independent Businesses has said that will cost 700,000 jobs. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I don't want to cost jobs. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| My priority is jobs. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And so what I do is I bring down the tax rates, lower deductions and exemptions, the same idea behind Bowles-Simpson, by the way, get the rates down, lower deductions and exemptions, to create more jobs, because there's nothing better for getting us to a balanced budget than having more people working, earning more money, paying more taxes. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| That's by far the most effective and efficient way to get this budget balanced. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Jim, I -- you may want to move onto another topic, but I -- I would just say this to the American people. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| If you believe that we can cut taxes by $5 trillion and add $2 trillion in additional spending that the military is not asking for, $7 trillion -- just to give you a sense, over 10 years, that's more than our entire defense budget -- and you think that by closing loopholes and deductions for the well-to-do, somehow you will not end up picking up the tab, then Governor Romney's plan may work for you. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| But I think math, common sense, and our history shows us that's not a recipe for job growth. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Look, we've tried this. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| We've tried both approaches. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| The approach that Governor Romney's talking about is the same sales pitch that was made in 2001 and 2003, and we ended up with the slowest job growth in 50 years, we ended up moving from surplus to deficits, and it all culminated in the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Bill Clinton tried the approach that I'm talking about. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| We created 23 million new jobs. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| We went from deficit to surplus. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And businesses did very well. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| So, in some ways, we've got some data on which approach is more likely to create jobs and opportunity for Americans and I believe that the economy works best when middle-class families are getting tax breaks so that they've got some money in their pockets, and those of us who have done extraordinarily well because of this magnificent country that we live in, that we can afford to do a little bit more to make sure we're not blowing up the deficit. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Jim, the president began this segment, so I think I get the last word. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| (CROSSTALK) | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Well, you're going to get the first word in the next segment. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| All right. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Well, but he gets the first word of that segment. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I get the last word (inaudible) I hope. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Let me just make this comment. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| (CROSSTALK) | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I think first of all, let me -- let me repeat -- let me repeat what I said. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I'm not in favor of a $5 trillion tax cut. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| That's not my plan. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| My plan is not to put in place any tax cut that will add to the deficit. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| That's point one. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| So you may keep referring to it as a $5 trillion tax cut, but that's not my plan. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Number two, let's look at history. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| My plan is not like anything that's been tried before. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| My plan is to bring down rates, but also bring down deductions and exemptions and credits at the same time so the revenue stays in, but that we bring down rates to get more people working. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| My priority is putting people back to work in America. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| They're suffering in this country. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And we talk about evidence. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Look at the evidence of the last four years. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| It's absolutely extraordinary. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| We've got 23 million people out of work or stopped looking for work in this country. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| It's just -- it's -- we've got -- when the president took office, 32 million people on food stamps; 47 million on food stamps today; economic growth this year slower than last year, and last year slower than the year before. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Going forward with the status quo is not going to cut it for the American people who are struggling today. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| All right. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Let's talk -- we're still on the economy. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| This is, theoretically now, a second segment still on the economy, and specifically on what to do about the federal deficit, the federal debt. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And the question, you each have two minutes on this, and Governor Romney, you -- you go first because the president went first on segment one. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And the question is this, what are the differences between the two of you as to how you would go about tackling the deficit problem in this country? | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Good. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I'm glad you raised that, and it's a -- it's a critical issue. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I think it's not just an economic issue, I think it's a moral issue. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I think it's, frankly, not moral for my generation to keep spending massively more than we take in, knowing those burdens are going to be passed on to the next generation and they're going to be paying the interest and the principal all their lives. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And the amount of debt we're adding, at a trillion a year, is simply not moral. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| So how do we deal with it? | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Well, mathematically, there are three ways that you can cut a deficit. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| One, of course, is to raise taxes. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Number two is to cut spending. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And number is to grow the economy, because if more people work in a growing economy, they're paying taxes, and you can get the job done that way. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| The presidents would -- president would prefer raising taxes. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I understand. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| The problem with raising taxes is that it slows down the rate of growth. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And you could never quite get the job done. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I want to lower spending and encourage economic growth at the same time. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| What things would I cut from spending? | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Well, first of all, I will eliminate all programs by this test, if they don't pass it: Is the program so critical it's worth borrowing money from China to pay for it? | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And if not, I'll get rid of it. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Obamacare's on my list. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I apologize, Mr. President. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I use that term with all respect, by the way. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I like it. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Good. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| OK, good. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| So I'll get rid of that. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I'm sorry, Jim, I'm going to stop the subsidy to PBS. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I'm going to stop other things. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I like PBS, I love Big Bird. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Actually like you, too. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| But I'm not going to -- I'm not going to keep on spending money on things to borrow money from China to pay for. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| That's number one. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Number two, I'll take programs that are currently good programs but I think could be run more efficiently at the state level and send them to the state. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Number three, I'll make government more efficient and to cut back the number of employees, combine some agencies and departments. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| My cutbacks will be done through attrition, by the way. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| This is the approach we have to take to get America to a balanced budget. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| The president said he'd cut the deficit in half. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Unfortunately, he doubled it. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Trillion-dollar deficits for the last four years. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| The president's put it in place as much public debt -- almost as much debt held by the public as al prior presidents combined. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Mr. President, two minutes. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| When I walked into the Oval Office, I had more than a trillion-dollar deficit greeting me. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And we know where it came from: two wars that were paid for on a credit card; two tax cuts that were not paid for; and a whole bunch of programs that were not paid for; and then a massive economic crisis. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And despite that, what we've said is, yes, we had to take some initial emergency measures to make sure we didn't slip into a Great Depression, but what we've also said is, let's make sure that we are cutting out those things that are not helping us grow. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| So 77 government programs, everything from aircrafts that the Air Force had ordered but weren't working very well, 18 government -- 18 government programs for education that were well-intentioned, not weren't helping kids learn, we went after medical fraud in Medicare and Medicaid very aggressively, more aggressively than ever before, and have saved tens of billions of dollars, $50 billion of waste taken out of the system. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And I worked with Democrats and Republicans to cut a trillion dollars out of our discretionary domestic budget. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| That's the largest cut in the discretionary domestic budget since Dwight Eisenhower. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Now, we all know that we've got to do more. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And so I've put forward a specific $4 trillion deficit reduction plan. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| It's on a website. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| You can look at all the numbers, what cuts we make and what revenue we raise. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And the way we do it is $2.50 for every cut, we ask for $1 of additional revenue, paid for, as I indicated earlier, by asking those of us who have done very well in this country to contribute a little bit more to reduce the deficit. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Governor Romney earlier mentioned the Bowles-Simpson commission. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Well, that's how the commission -- bipartisan commission that talked about how we should move forward suggested we have to do it, in a balanced way with some revenue and some spending cuts. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And this is a major difference that Governor Romney and I have. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Let -- let me just finish their point, because you're looking for contrast. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| You know, when Governor Romney stood on a stage with other Republican candidates for the nomination and he was asked, would you take $10 of spending cuts for just $1 of revenue? | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And he said no. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Now, if you take such an unbalanced approach, then that means you are going to be gutting our investments in schools and education. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| It means that Governor Romney... (CROSSTALK) | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| ... talked about Medicaid and how we could send it back to the states, but effectively this means a 30 percent cut in the primary program we help for seniors who are in nursing homes, for kids who are with disabilities. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Mr. President, I'm sorry. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And -- and that is not a right strategy for us to move forward. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Way over the two minutes. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Sorry. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Governor, what about Simpson-Bowles? | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Do you support Simpson-Bowles? | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Simpson-Bowles, the president should have grabbed that. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| No, I mean, do you support Simpson-Bowles? | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I have my own plan. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| It's not the same as Simpson- Bowles. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| But in my view, the president should have grabbed it. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| If you wanted to make some adjustments to it, take it, go to Congress, fight for it. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| That's what we've done, made some adjustments to it, and we're putting it forward before Congress right now, a $4 trillion plan... | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| But you've been -- but you've been president four years... (CROSSTALK) | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| You've been president four years. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| You said you'd cut the deficit in half. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| It's now four years later. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| We still have trillion-dollar deficits. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| The CBO says we'll have a trillion-dollar deficit each of the next four years. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| If you're re-elected, we'll get to a trillion-dollar debt. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I mean, you have said before you'd cut the deficit in half. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And this -- I love this idea of $4 trillion in cuts. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| You found $4 trillion of ways to reduce or to get closer to a balanced budget, except we still show trillion-dollar deficits every year. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| That doesn't get the job done. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Let me come back and say, why is it that I don't want to raise taxes? | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Why don't I want to raise taxes on people? | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And actually, you said it back in 2010. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| You said, "Look, I'm going to extend the tax policies that we have now; I'm not going to raise taxes on anyone, because when the economy is growing slow like this, when we're in recession, you shouldn't raise taxes on anyone." | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Well, the economy is still growing slow. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| As a matter of fact, it's growing much more slowly now than when you made that statement. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And so if you believe the same thing, you just don't want to raise taxes on people. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And the reality is it's not just wealthy people -- you mentioned Donald Trump. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| It's not just Donald Trump you're taxing. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| It's all those businesses that employ one-quarter of the workers in America; these small businesses that are taxed as individuals. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| You raise taxes and you kill jobs. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| That's why the National Federation of Independent Businesses said your plan will kill 700,000 jobs. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I don't want to kill jobs in this environment. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I'll make one more point. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| (CROSSTALK) | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| (inaudible) answer the taxes thing for a moment. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| OK. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Mr. President? | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Well, we've had this discussion before. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| About the idea that in order to reduce the deficit, there has to be revenue in addition to cuts. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| There has to be revenue in addition to cuts. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Now, Governor Romney has ruled out revenue. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| He's ruled out revenue. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| (CROSSTALK) | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Absolutely. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| (CROSSTALK) | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Look, the revenue I get is by more people working, getting higher pay, paying more taxes. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| That's how we get growth and how we balance the budget. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| But the idea of taxing people more, putting more people out of work, you'll never get there. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| You'll never balance the budget by raising taxes. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Spain -- Spain spends 42 percent of their total economy on government. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| We're now spending 42 percent of our economy on government. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I don't want to go down the path to Spain. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I want to go down the path of growth that puts Americans to work with more money coming in because they're working. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| But -- but Mr. President, you're saying in order to -- to get the job done, it's got to be balanced. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| You've got to have... (CROSSTALK) | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| If -- if we're serious, we've got to take a balanced, responsible approach. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And by the way, this is not just when it comes to individual taxes. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Let's talk about corporate taxes. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Now, I've identified areas where we can, right away, make a change that I believe would actually help the economy. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| The oil industry gets $4 billion a year in corporate welfare. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Basically, they get deductions that those small businesses that Governor Romney refers to, they don't get. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Now, does anybody think that ExxonMobil needs some extra money, when they're making money every time you go to the pump? | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Why wouldn't we want to eliminate that? | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Why wouldn't we eliminate tax breaks for corporate jets? | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| My attitude is, if you got a corporate jet, you can probably afford to pay full freight, not get a special break for it. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| When it comes to corporate taxes, Governor Romney has said he wants to, in a revenue neutral way, close loopholes, deductions -- he hasn't identified which ones they are -- but that thereby bring down the corporate rate. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Well, I want to do the same thing, but I've actually identified how we can do that. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And part of the way to do it is to not give tax breaks to companies that are shipping jobs overseas. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Right now, you can actually take a deduction for moving a plant overseas. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I think most Americans would say that doesn't make sense. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And all that raises revenue. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And so if we take a balanced approach, what that then allows us to do is also to help young people, the way we already have during my administration, make sure that they can afford to go to college. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| It means that the teacher that I met in Las Vegas, a wonderful young lady, who describes to me -- she's got 42 kids in her class. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| The first two weeks she's got them, some of them sitting on the floor until finally they get reassigned. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| They're using text books that are 10 years old. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| That is not a recipe for growth. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| That's not how America was built. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And so budgets reflect choices. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Ultimately, we're going to have to make some decisions. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And if we're asking for no revenue, then that means that we've got to get rid of a whole bunch of stuff. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And the magnitude of the tax cuts that you're talking about, Governor, would end up resulting in severe hardship for people, but more importantly, would not help us grow. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| As I indicated before, when you talk about shifting Medicaid to states, we're talking about potentially a 30 -- a 30 percent cut in Medicaid over time. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Now, you know, that may not seem like a big deal when it just is, you know, numbers on a sheet of paper, but if we're talking about a family who's got an autistic kid and is depending on that Medicaid, that's a big problem. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And governors are creative. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| There's no doubt about it. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| But they're not creative enough to make up for 30 percent of revenue on something like Medicaid. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| What ends up happening is some people end up not getting help. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Jim, let's -- we've gone on a lot of topics there, and so it's going to take a minute to go from Medicaid to schools... | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Come back to... (CROSSTALK) | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| ... to oil, to tax breaks, then companies going overseas. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| So let's go through them one by one. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| First of all, the Department of Energy has said the tax break for oil companies is $2.8 billion a year. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And it's actually an accounting treatment, as you know, that's been in place for a hundred years. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Now... | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| It's time to end it. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And in one year, you provided $90 billion in breaks to the green energy world. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Now, I like green energy as well, but that's about 50 years' worth of what oil and gas receives. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And you say Exxon and Mobil. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Actually, this $2.8 billion goes largely to small companies, to drilling operators and so forth. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| But, you know, if we get that tax rate from 35 percent down to 25 percent, why that $2.8 billion is on the table. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Of course it's on the table. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| That's probably not going to survive you get that rate down to 25 percent. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| But don't forget, you put $90 billion, like 50 years' worth of breaks, into -- into solar and wind, to Solyndra and Fisker and Tester and Ener1. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I mean, I had a friend who said you don't just pick the winners and losers, you pick the losers, all right? | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| So this -- this is not -- this is not the kind of policy you want to have if you want to get America energy secure. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| The second topic, which is you said you get a deduction for taking a plant overseas. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Look, I've been in business for 25 years. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I have no idea what you're talking about. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I maybe need to get a new accountant. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Let's... | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| But -- but the idea that you get a break for shipping jobs overseas is simply not the case. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| (CROSSTALK) | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| What we do have right now is a setting where I'd like to bring money from overseas back to this country. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And, finally, Medicaid to states? | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I'm not quite sure where that came in, except this, which is, I would like to take the Medicaid dollars that go to states and say to a state, you're going to get what you got last year, plus inflation, plus 1 percent, and then you're going to manage your care for your poor in the way you think best. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And I remember, as a governor, when this idea was floated by Tommy Thompson, the governors -- Republican and Democrats -- said, please let us do that. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| We can care for our own poor in so much better and more effective a way than having the federal government tell us how to care for our poor. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| So -- so let's state -- one of the magnificent things about this country is the whole idea that states are the laboratories of democracy. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Don't have the federal government tell everybody what kind of training programs they have to have and what kind of Medicaid they have to have. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Let states do this. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And, by the way, if a state gets in trouble, well, we can step in and see if we can find a way to help them. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Let's go. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| But -- but the right -- the right approach is one which relies on the brilliance of our people and states, not the federal government. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| (inaudible) and we're going on -- still on the economy, on another -- but another part of it... | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| OK. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| All right? | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| All right. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| This is segment three, the economy. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Entitlements. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| First -- first answer goes to you, two minutes, Mr. President. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Do you see a major difference between the two of you on Social Security? | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| You know, I suspect that, on Social Security, we've got a somewhat similar position. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Social Security is structurally sound. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| It's going to have to be tweaked the way it was by Ronald Reagan and Speaker -- Democratic Speaker Tip O'Neill. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| But it is -- the basic structure is sound. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| But -- but I want to talk about the values behind Social Security and Medicare, and then talk about Medicare, because that's the big driver of our deficits right now. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| You know, my grandmother -- some of you know -- helped to raise me. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| My grandparents did. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| My grandfather died a while back. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| My grandmother died three days before I was elected president. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And she was fiercely independent. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| She worked her way up, only had a high school education, started as a secretary, ended up being the vice president of a local bank. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And she ended up living alone by choice. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And the reason she could be independent was because of Social Security and Medicare. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| She had worked all her life, put in this money, and understood that there was a basic guarantee, a floor under which she could not go. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And that's the perspective I bring when I think about what's called entitlements. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| You know, the name itself implies some sense of dependency on the part of these folks. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| These are folks who've worked hard, like my grandmother, and there are millions of people out there who are counting on this. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| So my approach is to say, how do we strengthen the system over the long term? | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And in Medicare, what we did was we said, we are going to have to bring down the costs if we're going to deal with our long-term deficits, but to do that, let's look where some of the money's going. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| $716 billion we were able to save from the Medicare program by no longer overpaying insurance companies by making sure that we weren't overpaying providers. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And using that money, we were actually able to lower prescription drug costs for seniors by an average of $600, and we were also able to make a -- make a significant dent in providing them the kind of preventive care that will ultimately save money through the -- throughout the system. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| So the way for us to deal with Medicare in particular is to lower health care costs. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| When it comes to Social Security, as I said, you don't need a major structural change in order to make sure that Social Security is there for the future. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| We'll follow up on this. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| First, Governor Romney, you have two minutes on Social Security and entitlements. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Well, Jim, our seniors depend on these programs, and I know anytime we talk about entitlements, people become concerned that something's going to happen that's going to change their life for the worse. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And the answer is neither the president nor I are proposing any changes for any current retirees or near retirees, either to Social Security or Medicare. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| So if you're 60 or around 60 or older, you don't need to listen any further. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| But for younger people, we need to talk about what changes are going to be occurring. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Oh, I just thought about one. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And that is, in fact, I was wrong when I said the president isn't proposing any changes for current retirees. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| In fact he is on Medicare. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| On Social Security he's not. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| But on Medicare, for current retirees, he's cutting $716 billion from the program. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Now, he says by not overpaying hospitals and providers. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Actually just going to them and saying, "We're going to reduce the rates you get paid across the board, everybody's going to get a lower rate." | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| That's not just going after places where there's abuse. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| That's saying we're cutting the rates. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Some 15 percent of hospitals and nursing homes say they won't take anymore Medicare patients under that scenario. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| We also have 50 percent of doctors who say they won't take more Medicare patients. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| This -- we have 4 million people on Medicare Advantage that will lose Medicare Advantage because of those $716 billion in cuts. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I can't understand how you can cut Medicare $716 billion for current recipients of Medicare. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Now, you point out, well, we're putting some back. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| We're going to give a better prescription program. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| That's $1 -- that's $1 for every $15 you've cut. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| They're smart enough to know that's not a good trade. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I want to take that $716 billion you've cut and put it back into Medicare. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| By the way, we can include a prescription program if we need to improve it. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| But the idea of cutting $716 billion from Medicare to be able to balance the additional cost of Obamacare is, in my opinion, a mistake. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And with regards to young people coming along, I've got proposals to make sure Medicare and Social Security are there for them without any question. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Mr. President? | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| First of all, I think it's important for Governor Romney to present this plan that he says will only affect folks in the future. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And the essence of the plan is that you would turn Medicare into a voucher program. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| It's called premium support, but it's understood to be a voucher program. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| His running mate... | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And you don't support that? | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I don't. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And let me explain why. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Again, that's for future... | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I understand. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| ... people, right, not for current retirees. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| For -- so if you're -- if you're 54 or 55, you might want to listen 'cause this -- this will affect you. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| The idea, which was originally presented by Congressman Ryan, your running mate, is that we would give a voucher to seniors and they could go out in the private marketplace and buy their own health insurance. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| The problem is that because the voucher wouldn't necessarily keep up with health care inflation, it was estimated that this would cost the average senior about $6,000 a year. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Now, in fairness, what Governor Romney has now said is he'll maintain traditional Medicare alongside it. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| But there's still a problem, because what happens is, those insurance companies are pretty clever at figuring out who are the younger and healthier seniors. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| They recruit them, leaving the older, sicker seniors in Medicare. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And every health care economist that looks at it says, over time, what'll happen is the traditional Medicare system will collapse. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And then what you've got is folks like my grandmother at the mercy of the private insurance system precisely at the time when they are most in need of decent health care. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| So, I don't think vouchers are the right way to go. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And this is not my own -- only my opinion. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| AARP thinks that the -- the savings that we obtained from Medicare bolster the system, lengthen the Medicare trust fund by eight years. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Benefits were not affected at all. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And ironically, if you repeal Obamacare, and I have become fond of this term, "Obamacare," if you repeal it, what happens is those seniors right away are going to be paying $600 more in prescription care. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| They're now going to have to be paying copays for basic checkups that can keep them healthier. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And the primary beneficiary of that repeal are insurance companies that are estimated to gain billions of dollars back when they aren't making seniors any healthier. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And I don't think that's the right approach when it comes to making sure that Medicare is stronger over the long term. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| We'll talk about -- specifically about health care in a moment. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| But what -- do you support the voucher system, Governor? | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| What I support is no change for current retirees and near-retirees to Medicare. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And the president supports taking $716 billion out of that program. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And what about the vouchers? | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| (CROSSTALK) | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| So that's -- that's number one. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Number two is for people coming along that are young, what I do to make sure that we can keep Medicare in place for them is to allow them either to choose the current Medicare program or a private plan. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Their choice. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| They get to choose -- and they'll have at least two plans that will be entirely at no cost to them. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| So they don't have to pay additional money, no additional $6,000. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| That's not going to happen. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| They'll have at least two plans. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And by the way, if the government can be as efficient as the private sector and offer premiums that are as low as the private sector, people will be happy to get traditional Medicare or they'll be able to get a private plan. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I know my own view is I'd rather have a private plan. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I'd just assume not have the government telling me what kind of health care I get. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I'd rather be able to have an insurance company. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| If I don't like them, I can get rid of them and find a different insurance company. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| But people make their own choice. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| The other thing we have to do to save Medicare? | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| We have to have the benefits high for those that are low income, but for higher income people, we're going to have to lower some of the benefits. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| We have to make sure this program is there for the long term. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| That's the plan that I've put forward. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And, by the way the idea came not even from Paul Ryan or -- or Senator Wyden, who's the co-author of the bill with -- with Paul Ryan in the Senate, but also it came from Bill -- Bill Clinton's chief of staff. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| This is an idea that's been around a long time, which is saying, hey, let's see if we can't get competition into the Medicare world so that people can get the choice of different plans at lower cost, better quality. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I believe in competition. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Jim, if I -- if I can just respond very quickly, first of all, every study has shown that Medicare has lower administrative costs than private insurance does, which is why seniors are generally pretty happy with it. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And private insurers have to make a profit. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Nothing wrong with that. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| That's what they do. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And so you've got higher administrative costs, plus profit on top of that. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And if you are going to save any money through what Governor Romney's proposing, what has to happen is, is that the money has to come from somewhere. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And when you move to a voucher system, you are putting seniors at the mercy of those insurance companies. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And over time, if traditional Medicare has decayed or fallen apart, then they're stuck. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And this is the reason why AARP has said that your plan would weaken Medicare substantially. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And that's why they were supportive of the approach that we took. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| One last point I want to make. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| We do have to lower the cost of health care, not just in Medicare and Medicaid... LEHRER: Talk about that in a minute. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| ... but -- but -- but overall. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| OK. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And so... | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| That's -- that's a big topic. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Can we -- can we stay on Medicare? | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Is that a -- is that a separate topic? | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| (CROSSTALK) | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Yeah, we're going to -- yeah, I want to get to it. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I'm sorry. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| But all I want to do is go very quickly... | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Let's get back to Medicare. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| ... before we leave the economy... | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Let's get back to Medicare. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| (CROSSTALK) | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| The president said that the government can provide the service at lower cost and without a profit. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| All right. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| If that's the case, then it will always be the best product that people can purchase. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Wait a minute, Governor. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| But my experience -- my experience the private sector typically is able to provide a better product at a lower cost. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| All right. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Can we -- can the two of you agree that the voters have a choice -- a clear choice between the two... | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Absolutely. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| ... of you on Medicare? | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Absolutely. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Absolutely. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| All right. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| So to finish quickly, briefly, on the economy, what is your view about the level of federal regulation of the economy right now? | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Is there too much? | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And in your case, Mr. President, is there -- should there be more? | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Beginning with you. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| This is not a new two-minute segment to start. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And we'll go for a few minutes, and then we're going to go to health care, OK? | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Regulation is essential. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| You can't have a free market work if you don't have regulation. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| As a businessperson, I had to have -- I need to know the regulations. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I needed them there. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| You couldn't have people opening up banks in their -- in their garage and making loans. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I mean, you have to have regulations so that you can have an economy work. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Every free economy has good regulation. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| At the same time, regulation can become excessive. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Is it excessive now, do you think? | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| In some places, yes. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Other places, no. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Like where? | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| (CROSSTALK) | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| No, it can become out of date. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And what's happened with some of the legislation that's been passed during the president's term, you've seen regulation become excessive, and it's hurt -- it's hurt the economy. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Let me give you an example. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Dodd-Frank was passed. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And it includes within it a number of provisions that I think has some unintended consequences that are harmful to the economy. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| One is it designates a number of banks as too big to fail, and they're effectively guaranteed by the federal government. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| This is the biggest kiss that's been given to -- to New York banks I've ever seen. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| This is an enormous boon for them. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| There've been 122 community and small banks have closed since Dodd- Frank. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| So there's one example. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Here's another. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| In Dodd-Frank... | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Do you want to repeal Dodd-Frank? | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Well, I would repeal and replace it. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| We're not going to get rid of all regulation. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| You have to have regulation. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And there are some parts of Dodd-Frank that make all the sense in the world. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| You need transparency, you need to have leverage limits for... | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Well, here's a specific... (CROSSTALK) | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| But let's -- let's mention -- let me mention the other one. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Let's talk... (CROSSTALK) | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| No, let's not. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Let's let him respond -- let's let him respond to this specific on Dodd-Frank and what the governor just said. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I think this is a great example. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| The reason we have been in such a enormous economic crisis was prompted by reckless behavior across the board. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Now, it wasn't just on Wall Street. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| You had loan officers were -- that were giving loans and mortgages that really shouldn't have been given, because the folks didn't qualify. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| You had people who were borrowing money to buy a house that they couldn't afford. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| You had credit agencies that were stamping these as A1 great investments when they weren't. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| But you also had banks making money hand over fist, churning out products that the bankers themselves didn't even understand, in order to make big profits, but knowing that it made the entire system vulnerable. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| So what did we do? | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| We stepped in and had the toughest reforms on Wall Street since the 1930s. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| We said you've got -- banks, you've got to raise your capital requirements. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| You can't engage in some of this risky behavior that is putting Main Street at risk. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| We've going to make sure that you've got to have a living will so -- so we can know how you're going to wind things down if you make a bad bet so we don't have other taxpayer bailouts. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| In the meantime, by the way, we also made sure that all the help that we provided those banks was paid back every single dime, with interest. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Now, Governor Romney has said he wants to repeal Dodd-Frank. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And, you know, I appreciate and it appears we've got some agreement that a marketplace to work has to have some regulation. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| But in the past, Governor Romney has said he just want to repeal Dodd- Frank, roll it back. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And so the question is: Does anybody out there think that the big problem we had is that there was too much oversight and regulation of Wall Street? | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Because if you do, then Governor Romney is your candidate. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| But that's not what I believe. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Sorry, but that's just not -- that's just not the facts. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Look, we have to have regulation on Wall Street. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| That's why I'd have regulation. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| But I wouldn't designate five banks as too big to fail and give them a blank check. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| That's one of the unintended consequences of Dodd-Frank. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| It wasn't thought through properly. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| We need to get rid of that provision because it's killing regional and small banks. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| They're getting hurt. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Let me mention another regulation in Dodd-Frank. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| You say we were giving mortgages to people who weren't qualified. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| That's exactly right. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| It's one of the reasons for the great financial calamity we had. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And so Dodd-Frank correctly says we need to have qualified mortgages, and if you give a mortgage that's not qualified, there are big penalties, except they didn't ever go on and define what a qualified mortgage was. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| It's been two years. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| We don't know what a qualified mortgage is yet. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| So banks are reluctant to make loans, mortgages. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Try and get a mortgage these days. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| It's hurt the housing market because Dodd-Frank didn't anticipate putting in place the kinds of regulations you have to have. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| It's not that Dodd-Frank always was wrong with too much regulation. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Sometimes they didn't come out with a clear regulation. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I will make sure we don't hurt the functioning of our -- of our marketplace and our business, because I want to bring back housing and get good jobs. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| All right. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I think we have another clear difference between the two of you. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Now, let's move to health care where I know there is a clear difference, and that has to do with the Affordable Care Act, Obamacare. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And it's a two-minute new -- new segment, and that means two minutes each. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And you go first, Governor Romney. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| You want it repealed. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| You want the Affordable Care Act repealed. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Why? | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I sure do. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Well, in part, it comes, again, from my experience. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| You know, I was in New Hampshire. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| A woman came to me and she said, look, I can't afford insurance for myself or my son. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I met a couple in Appleton, Wisconsin, and they said, we're thinking of dropping our insurance, we can't afford it. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And the number of small businesses I've gone to that are saying they're dropping insurance because they can't afford it, the cost of health care is just prohibitive. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And -- and we've got to deal with cost. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And, unfortunately, when -- when -- when you look at Obamacare, the Congressional Budget Office has said it will cost $2,500 a year more than traditional insurance. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| So it's adding to cost. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And as a matter of fact, when the president ran for office, he said that, by this year, he would have brought down the cost of insurance for each family by $2,500 a family. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Instead, it's gone up by that amount. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| So it's expensive. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Expensive things hurt families. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| So that's one reason I don't want it. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Second reason, it cuts $716 billion from Medicare to pay for it. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I want to put that money back in Medicare for our seniors. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Number three, it puts in place an unelected board that's going to tell people ultimately what kind of treatments they can have. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I don't like that idea. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Fourth, there was a survey done of small businesses across the country, said, what's been the effect of Obamacare on your hiring plans? | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And three-quarters of them said it makes us less likely to hire people. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I just don't know how the president could have come into office, facing 23 million people out of work, rising unemployment, an economic crisis at the -- at the kitchen table, and spend his energy and passion for two years fighting for Obamacare instead of fighting for jobs for the American people. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| It has killed jobs. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And the best course for health care is to do what we did in my state: craft a plan at the state level that fits the needs of the state. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And then let's focus on getting the costs down for people, rather than raising it with the $2,500 additional premium. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Mr. President, the argument against repeal? | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Well, four years ago, when I was running for office, I was traveling around and having those same conversations that Governor Romney talks about. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And it wasn't just that small businesses were seeing costs skyrocket and they couldn't get affordable coverage even if they wanted to provide it to their employees. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| It wasn't just that this was the biggest driver of our federal deficit, our overall health care costs, but it was families who were worried about going bankrupt if they got sick, millions of families, all across the country. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| If they had a pre-existing condition, they might not be able to get coverage at all. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| If they did have coverage, insurance companies might impose an arbitrary limit. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And so as a consequence, they're paying their premiums, somebody gets really sick, lo and behold, they don't have enough money to pay the bills, because the insurance companies say that they've hit the limit. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| So we did work on this, alongside working on jobs, because this is part of making sure that middle-class families are secure in this country. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And let me tell you exactly what Obamacare did. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Number one, if you've got health insurance, it doesn't mean a government takeover. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| You keep your own insurance. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| You keep your own doctor. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| But it does say insurance companies can't jerk you around. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| They can't impose arbitrary lifetime limits. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| They have to let you keep your kid on their insurance -- your insurance plan until you're 26 years old. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And it also says that you're going to have to get rebates if insurance companies are spending more on administrative costs and profits than they are on actual care. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Number two, if you don't have health insurance, we're essentially setting up a group plan that allows you to benefit from group rates that are typically 18 percent lower than if you're out there trying to get insurance on the individual market. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Now, the last point I'd make before... | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Two minutes -- two minutes is up, sir. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| No, I think -- I had five seconds before you interrupted me, was ... (LAUGHTER) ... the irony is that we've seen this model work really well in Massachusetts, because Governor Romney did a good thing, working with Democrats in the state to set up what is essentially the identical model and as a consequence people are covered there. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| It hasn't destroyed jobs. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And as a consequence, we now have a system in which we have the opportunity to start bringing down costs, as opposed to just leaving millions of people out in the cold. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Your five seconds went away a long time ago. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| All right, Governor. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Governor, tell -- tell the president directly why you think what he just said is wrong about Obamacare? | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Well, I did with my first statement. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| (CROSSTALK) | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| First of all, I like the way we did it in Massachusetts. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I like the fact that in my state, we had Republicans and Democrats come together and work together. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| What you did instead was to push through a plan without a single Republican vote. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| As a matter of fact, when Massachusetts did something quite extraordinary -- elected a Republican senator to stop Obamacare, you pushed it through anyway. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| So entirely on a partisan basis, instead of bringing America together and having a discussion on this important topic, you pushed through something that you and Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid thought was the best answer and drove it through. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| What we did in a legislature 87 percent Democrat, we worked together; 200 legislators in my legislature, only two voted against the plan by the time we were finished. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| What were some differences? | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| We didn't raise taxes. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| You've raised them by $1 trillion under Obamacare. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| We didn't cut Medicare. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Of course, we don't have Medicare, but we didn't cut Medicare by $716 billion. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| We didn't put in place a board that can tell people ultimately what treatments they're going to receive. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| We didn't also do something that I think a number of people across this country recognize, which is put -- put people in a position where they're going to lose the insurance they had and they wanted. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Right now, the CBO says up to 20 million people will lose their insurance as Obamacare goes into effect next year. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And likewise, a study by McKinsey and Company of American businesses said 30 percent of them are anticipating dropping people from coverage. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| So for those reasons, for the tax, for Medicare, for this board, and for people losing their insurance, this is why the American people don't want Medicare -- don't want Obamacare. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| It's why Republicans said, do not do this, and the Republicans had -- had the plan. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| They put a plan out. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| They put out a plan, a bipartisan plan. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| It was swept aside. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I think something this big, this important has to be done on a bipartisan basis. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And we have to have a president who can reach across the aisle and fashion important legislation with the input from both parties. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Governor Romney said this has to be done on a bipartisan basis. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| This was a bipartisan idea. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| In fact, it was a Republican idea. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And Governor Romney at the beginning of this debate wrote and said what we did in Massachusetts could be a model for the nation. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And I agree that the Democratic legislators in Massachusetts might have given some advice to Republicans in Congress about how to cooperate, but the fact of the matter is, we used the same advisers, and they say it's the same plan. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| It -- when Governor Romney talks about this board, for example, unelected board that we've created, what this is, is a group of health care experts, doctors, et cetera, to figure out, how can we reduce the cost of care in the system overall? | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Because there -- there are two ways of dealing with our health care crisis. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| One is to simply leave a whole bunch of people uninsured and let them fend for themselves, to let businesses figure out how long they can continue to pay premiums until finally they just give up, and their workers are no longer getting insured, and that's been the trend line. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Or, alternatively, we can figure out, how do we make the cost of care more effective? | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And there are ways of doing it. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| So at Cleveland Clinic, one of the best health care systems in the world, they actually provide great care cheaper than average. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And the reason they do is because they do some smart things. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| They -- they say, if a patient's coming in, let's get all the doctors together at once, do one test instead of having the patient run around with 10 tests. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Let's make sure that we're providing preventive care so we're catching the onset of something like diabetes. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Let's -- let's pay providers on the basis of performance as opposed to on the basis of how many procedures they've -- they've engaged in. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Now, so what this board does is basically identifies best practices and says, let's use the purchasing power of Medicare and Medicaid to help to institutionalize all these good things that we do. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And the fact of the matter is that, when Obamacare is fully implemented, we're going to be in a position to show that costs are going down. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And over the last two years, health care premiums have gone up -- it's true -- but they've gone up slower than any time in the last 50 years. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| So we're already beginning to see progress. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| In the meantime, folks out there with insurance, you're already getting a rebate. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Let me make one last point. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Governor Romney says, we should replace it, I'm just going to repeal it, but -- but we can replace it with something. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| But the problem is, he hasn't described what exactly we'd replace it with, other than saying we're going to leave it to the states. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| But the fact of the matter is that some of the prescriptions that he's offered, like letting you buy insurance across state lines, there's no indication that that somehow is going to help somebody who's got a pre-existing condition be able to finally buy insurance. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| In fact, it's estimated that by repealing Obamacare, you're looking at 50 million people losing health insurance... | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Let's... | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| ... at a time when it's vitally important. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Let's let the governor explain what you would do... | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Well... | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| ... if Obamacare is repealed. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| How would you replace it? | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| (CROSSTALK) | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Well, actually it's -- it's -- it's a lengthy description. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| But, number one, preexisting conditions are covered under my plan. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Number two, young people are able to stay on their family plan. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| That's already offered in the private marketplace. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| You don't have to have the government mandate that for that to occur. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| But let's come back to something the president and I agree on, which is the key task we have in health care is to get the cost down so it's more affordable for families. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And then he has as a model for doing that a board of people at the government, an unelected board, appointed board, who are going to decide what kind of treatment you ought to have. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| (CROSSTALK) | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| In my opinion, the government is not effective in -- in bringing down the cost of almost anything. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| As a matter of fact, free people and free enterprises trying to find ways to do things better are able to be more effective in bringing down the cost than the government will ever be. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Your example of the Cleveland Clinic is my case in point, along with several others I could describe. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| This is the private market. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| These are small -- these are enterprises competing with each other, learning how to do better and better jobs. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I used to consult to businesses -- excuse me, to hospitals and to health care providers. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I was astonished at the creativity and innovation that exists in the American people. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| In order to bring the cost of health care down, we don't need to have a board of 15 people telling us what kinds of treatments we should have. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| We instead need to put insurance plans, providers, hospitals, doctors on target such that they have an incentive, as you say, performance pay, for doing an excellent job, for keeping costs down, and that's happening. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Innermountain Healthcare does it superbly well, Mayo Clinic is doing it superbly well, Cleveland Clinic, others. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| But the right answer is not to have the federal government take over health care and start mandating to the providers across America, telling a patient and a doctor what kind of treatment they can have. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| That's the wrong way to go. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| The private market and individual responsibility always work best. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Let me just point out first of all this board that we're talking about can't make decisions about what treatments are given. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| That's explicitly prohibited in the law. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| But let's go back to what Governor Romney indicated, that under his plan, he would be able to cover people with preexisting conditions. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Well, actually Governor, that isn't what your plan does. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| What your plan does is to duplicate what's already the law, which says if you are out of health insurance for three months, then you can end up getting continuous coverage and an insurance company can't deny you if you've -- if it's been under 90 days. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| But that's already the law and that doesn't help the millions of people out there with preexisting conditions. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| There's a reason why Governor Romney set up the plan that he did in Massachusetts. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| It wasn't a government takeover of health care. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| It was the largest expansion of private insurance. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| But what it does say is that "insurers, you've got to take everybody." | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Now, that also means that you've got more customers. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| But when -- when Governor Romney says that he'll replace it with something, but can't detail how it will be in fact replaced and the reason he set up the system he did in Massachusetts was because there isn't a better way of dealing with the preexisting conditions problem. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| It just reminds me of, you know, he says that he's going to close deductions and loopholes for his tax plan. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| That's how it's going to be paid for, but we don't know the details. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| He says that he's going to replace Dodd-Frank, Wall Street reform, but we don't know exactly which ones. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| He won't tell us. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| He now says he's going to replace Obamacare and ensure that all the good things that are in it are going to be in there and you don't have to worry. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And at some point, I think the American people have to ask themselves, is the reason that Governor Romney is keeping all these plans to replace secret because they're too good? | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Is it -- is it because that somehow middle-class families are going to benefit too much from them? | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| No. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| The reason is, is because, when we reform Wall Street, when we tackle the problem of pre-existing conditions, then, you know, these are tough problems and we've got to make choices. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And the choices we've made have been ones that ultimately are benefiting middle-class families all across the country. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| We're going to move to... | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| No. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I -- I have to respond to that. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| No, but... | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Which is -- which is my experience as a governor is if I come in and -- and lay down a piece of legislation and say, "It's my way or the highway," I don't get a lot done. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| What I do is the same way that Tip O'Neill and Ronald Reagan worked together some years ago. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| When Ronald Reagan ran for office, he laid out the principles that he was going to foster. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| He said he was going to lower tax rates. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| He said he was going to broaden the base. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| You've said the same thing, you're going to simplify the tax code, broaden the base. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Those are my principles. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I want to bring down the tax burden on middle-income families. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And I'm going to work together with Congress to say, OK, what -- what are the various ways we could bring down deductions, for instance? | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| One way, for instance, would be to have a single number. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Make up a number, $25,000, $50,000. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Anybody can have deductions up to that amount. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And then that number disappears for high-income people. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| That's one way one could do it. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| One could follow Bowles-Simpson as a model and take deduction by deduction and make differences that way. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| There are alternatives to accomplish the objective I have, which is to bring down rates, broaden the base, simplify the code, and create incentives for growth. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And with regards to health care, you had remarkable details with regards to my pre-existing condition plan. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| You obviously studied up on -- on my plan. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| In fact, I do have a plan that deals with people with pre-existing conditions. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| That's part of my health care plan. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And what we did in Massachusetts is a model for the nation state by state. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And I said that at that time. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| The federal government taking over health care for the entire nation and whisking aside the 10th Amendment, which gives states the rights for these kinds of things, is not the course for America to have a stronger, more vibrant economy. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| That is a terrific segue to our next segment, and is the role of government. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And -- and let's see. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Role of government. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And it is -- you are first on this, Mr. President. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And the question is this. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Do you believe, both of you -- but you had the first two minutes on this, Mr. President -- do you believe there's a fundamental difference between the two of you as to how you view the mission of the federal government? | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Well, I definitely think there are differences. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And do you -- yeah. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| The first role of the federal government is to keep the American people safe. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| That's its most basic function. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And as commander-in-chief, that is something that I've worked on and thought about every single day that I've been in the Oval Office. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| But I also believe that government has the capacity, the federal government has the capacity to help open up opportunity and create ladders of opportunity and to create frameworks where the American people can succeed. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Look, the genius of America is the free enterprise system and freedom and the fact that people can go out there and start a business, work on an idea, make their own decisions. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| But as Abraham Lincoln understood, there are also some things we do better together. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| So, in the middle of the Civil War, Abraham Lincoln said, let's help to finance the Transcontinental Railroad, let's start the National Academy of Sciences, let's start land grant colleges, because we want to give these gateways of opportunity for all Americans, because if all Americans are getting opportunity, we're all going to be better off. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| That doesn't restrict people's freedom. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| That enhances it. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And so what I've tried to do as president is to apply those same principles. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And when it comes to education what I've said is we've got to reform schools that are not working. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| We use something called Race to the Top. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Wasn't a top-down approach, Governor. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| What we've said is to states, we'll give you more money if you initiate reforms. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And as a consequence, you had 46 states around the country who have made a real difference. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| But what I've also said is let's hire another 100,000 math and science teachers to make sure we maintain our technological lead and our people are skilled and able to succeed. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And hard-pressed states right now can't all do that. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| In fact we've seen layoffs of hundreds of thousands of teachers over the last several years, and Governor Romney doesn't think we need more teachers. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I do, because I think that that is the kind of investment where the federal government can help. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| It can't do it all, but it can make a difference. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And as a consequence we'll have a better trained workforce and that will create jobs because companies want to locate in places where we've got a skilled workforce. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Two minutes, Governor, on the role of government. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Your view? | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Well, first, I love great schools. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Massachusetts, our schools are ranked number one of all 50 states. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And the key to great schools, great teachers. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| So I reject the idea that I don't believe in great teachers or more teachers. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Every school district, every state should make that decision on their own. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| The role of government: Look behind us. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| The Constitution and the Declaration of Independence. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| The role of government is to promote and protect the principles of those documents. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| First, life and liberty. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| We have a responsibility to protect the lives and liberties of our people, and that means a military second to none. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I do not believe in cutting our military. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I believe in maintaining the strength of America's military. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Second, in that line that says we are endowed by our creator with our rights, I believe we must maintain our commitment to religious tolerance and freedom in this country. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| That statement also says that we are endowed by our creator with the right to pursue happiness as we choose. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I interpret that as, one, making sure that those people who are less fortunate and can't care for themselves are cared by -- by one another. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| We're a nation that believes that we're all children of the same god and we care for those that have difficulties, those that are elderly and have problems and challenges, those that are disabled. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| We care for them. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And we -- we look for discovery and innovation, all these things desired out of the American heart to provide the pursuit of happiness for our citizens. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| But we also believe in maintaining for individuals the right to pursue their dreams and not to have the government substitute itself for the rights of free individuals. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And what we're seeing right now is, in my view, a -- a trickle-down government approach, which has government thinking it can do a better job than free people pursuing their dreams. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And it's not working. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And the proof of that is 23 million people out of work. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| The proof of that is 1 out of 6 people in poverty. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| The proof of that is we've gone from 32 million on food stamps to 47 million on food stamps. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| The proof of that is that 50 percent of college graduates this year can't find work. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| All right. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| We know that the path we're taking is not working. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| It's time for a new path. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| All right. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Let's go through some specifics in terms of what -- how each of you views the role of government. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| How do -- education. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Does the federal government have a responsibility to improve the quality of public education in America? | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Well, the primary responsibility for education is -- is, of course, at the state and local level. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| But the federal government also can play a very important role. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And I -- and I agree with Secretary Arne Duncan, he's -- some ideas he's put forward on Race to the Top, not all of them, but some of them I agree with and -- and congratulate him for pursuing that. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| The federal government can get local and -- and state schools to do a better job. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| My own view, by the way, is I've added to that. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I happen to believe, I want the kids that are getting federal dollars from IDEA or Title I -- these are disabled kids or -- or -- or poor kids or -- or lower-income kids, rather, I want them to be able to go to the school of their choice. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| So all federal funds, instead of going to the -- to the state or to the school district, I'd have go, if you will, follow the child and let the parent and the child decide where to send their -- their -- their student. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| How do you see the federal government's responsibility to, as I say, to improve the quality of public education in this country? | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Well, as I've indicated, I think that it has a significant role to play. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Through our Race to the Top program, we've worked with Republican and Democratic governors to initiate major reforms, and they're having an impact right now. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Do you think you have a difference with your views and -- and those of Governor Romney on -- about education and the federal government? | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| You know, this is where budgets matter, because budgets reflect choices. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| So when Governor Romney indicates that he wants to cut taxes and potentially benefit folks like me and him, and to pay for it we're having to initiate significant cuts in federal support for education, that makes a difference. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| You know, his -- his running mate, Congressman Ryan, put forward a budget that reflects many of the principles that Governor Romney's talked about. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And it wasn't very detailed. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| This seems to be a trend. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| But -- but what it did do is to -- if you extrapolated how much money we're talking about, you'd look at cutting the education budget by up to 20 percent. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| When it comes to community colleges, we are seeing great work done out there all over the country because we have the opportunity to train people for jobs that exist right now. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And one of the things I suspect Governor Romney and I probably agree on is getting businesses to work with community colleges so that they're setting up their training programs... | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Do you -- do you agree, Governor? | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Let me just finish the point. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| (CROSSTALK) | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| The -- where they're partnering so that they're designing training programs. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And people who are going through them know that there's a job waiting for them if they complete it. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| That makes a big difference, but that requires some federal support. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Let me just say one final example. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| When it comes to making college affordable, whether it's two-year or four-year, one of the things that I did as president was we were sending $60 billion to banks and lenders as middlemen for the student loan program, even though the loans were guaranteed. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| So there was no risk for the banks or the lenders, but they were taking billions out of the system. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And we said, "Why not cut out the middleman?" | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And as a consequence, what we've been able to do is to provide millions more students assistance, lower or keep low interest rates on student loans. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And this is an example of where our priorities make a difference. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Governor Romney, I genuinely believe cares about education, but when he tells a student that, you know, "you should borrow money from your parents to go to college," you know, that indicates the degree to which, you know, there may not be as much of a focus on the fact that folks like myself, folks like Michelle, kids probably who attend University of Denver, just don't have that option. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And for us to be able to make sure that they've got that opportunity and they can walk through that door, that is vitally important not just to those kids. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| It's how we're going to grow this economy over the long term. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| We're running out of time, gentlemen. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| (CROSSTALK)_LEHRER: Governor? | NaN | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Mr. President, Mr. President, you're entitled as the president to your own airplane and to your own house, but not to your own facts. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| All right, I'm not going to cut education funding. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I don't have any plan to cut education funding and -- and grants that go to people going to college. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I'm planning on (inaudible) to grow. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| So I'm not planning on making changes there. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| But you make a very good point, which is that the place you put your money just makes a pretty clear indication of where your heart is. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| You put $90 billion into -- into green jobs. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And I -- look, I'm all in favor of green energy. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| $90 billion, that would have -- that would have hired 2 million teachers. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| $90 billion. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And these businesses, many of them have gone out of business, I think about half of them, of the ones have been invested in have gone out of business. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| A number of them happened to be owned by people who were contributors to your campaigns. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Look, the right course for America's government, we were talking about the role of government, is not to become the economic player, picking winners and losers, telling people what kind of health treatment they can receive, taking over the health care system that has existed in this country for a long, long time and has produced the best health records in the world. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| The right answer for government is say, How do we make the private sector become more efficient and more effective? | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| How do we get schools to be more competitive? | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Let's grade them. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I propose we grade our schools so parents know which schools are succeeding and failing, so they can take their child to a -- to a school that he's being more successful. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I don't want to cut our commitment to education. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I wanted to make it more effective and efficient. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And by the way, I've had that experience. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I don't just talk about it. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I've been there. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Massachusetts schools are ranked number one in the nation. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| This is not because I didn't have commitment to education. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| It's because I care about education for all of our kids. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| All right, gentlemen... (CROSSTALK) | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Excuse me (inaudible). | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Excuse me, sir. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| We've got -- we've got -- barely have three minutes left. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I'm not going to grade the two of you and say your answers have been too long or I've done a poor job. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| You've done a great job. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Oh, well, no. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| But the fact is government -- the role of government and governing, we've lost a pod in other words. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| So we only have three -- three minutes left in the -- in the debate before we go to your closing statements. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And so I want to ask finally here, and remember, we've got three minutes total time here -- and the question is this. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Many of the legislative functions of the federal government right now are in a state of paralysis as a result of partisan gridlock. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| If elected, in your case, if re-elected, in your case, what would you do about that? | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Governor? | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Jim, I had the great experience -- it didn't seem like it at the time -- of being elected in a state where my legislature was 87 percent Democrat. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And that meant I figured out from day one I had to get along and I had to work across the aisle to get anything done. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| We drove our schools to be number one in the nation. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| We cut taxes 19 times. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| But what would you do as president? | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| We -- as president, I will sit on day one -- actually, the day after I get elected -- I'll sit down with leaders -- the Democratic leaders, as well as Republican leaders, and continue -- as we did in my state -- we met every Monday for a couple hours, talked about the issues and the challenges in the -- in the -- in our state in that case. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| We have to work on a collaborative basis, not because we're going to compromise our principle, but because there's common ground. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And the challenges America faces right now -- look, the reason I'm in this race is there are people that are really hurting today in this country. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And we face -- this deficit could crush the future generations. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| What's happening in the Middle East, there are developments around the world that are of real concern. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| All right. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And Republicans and Democrats both love America. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| But we need to have leadership -- leadership in Washington that will actually bring people together and get the job done and could not care less if -- if it's a Republican or a Democrat. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I've done it before. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I'll do it again. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Mr. President? | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Well, first of all, I think Governor Romney's going to have a busy first day, because he's also going to repeal Obamacare, which will not be very popular among Democrats as you're sitting down with them. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| (LAUGHTER) But, look, my philosophy has been, I will take ideas from anybody, Democrat or Republican, as long as they're advancing the cause of making middle-class families stronger and giving ladders of opportunity to the middle class. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| That's how we cut taxes for middle- class families and small businesses. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| That's how we cut a trillion dollars of spending that wasn't advancing that cause. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| That's how we signed three trade deals into law that are helping us to double our exports and sell more American products around the world. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| That's how we repealed "don't ask/don't tell." | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| That's how we ended the war in Iraq, as I promised, and that's how we're going to wind down the war in Afghanistan. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| That's how we went after Al Qaida and bin Laden. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| So we've -- we've seen progress even under Republican control of the House of Representatives. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| But, ultimately, part of being principled, part of being a leader is, A, being able to describe exactly what it is that you intend to do, not just saying, "I'll sit down," but you have to have a plan. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Number two, what's important is occasionally you've got to say no, to -- to -- to folks both in your own party and in the other party. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And, you know, yes, have we had some fights between me and the Republicans when -- when they fought back against us reining in the excesses of Wall Street? | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Absolutely, because that was a fight that needed to be had. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| When -- when we were fighting about whether or not we were going to make sure that Americans had more security with their health insurance and they said no, yes, that was a fight that we needed to have. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| All right | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And so part of leadership and governing is both saying what it is that you are for, but also being willing to say no to some things. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And I've got to tell you, Governor Romney, when it comes to his own party during the course of this campaign, has not displayed that willingness to say no to some of the more extreme parts of his party. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| That brings us to closing statements. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| It was a coin toss. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Governor Romney, you won the toss and you elected to go last, so you have a closing two minutes, Mr. President. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Well, Jim, I want to thank you, and I want to thank Governor Romney, because I think was a terrific debate, and I very much appreciate it. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And I want to thank the University of Denver. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| You know, four years ago, we were going through a major crisis. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And yet my faith and confidence in the American future is undiminished. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And the reason is because of its people, because of the woman I met in North Carolina who decided at 55 to go back to school because she wanted to inspire her daughter and now has a job from that new training that she's gotten; because a company in Minnesota who was willing to give up salaries and perks for their executives to make sure that they didn't lay off workers during a recession. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| The auto workers that you meet in Toledo or Detroit take such pride in building the best cars in the world, not just because of a paycheck, but because it gives them that sense of pride, that they're helping to build America. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And so the question now is how do we build on those strengths. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And everything that I've tried to do, and everything that I'm now proposing for the next four years in terms of improving our education system or developing American energy or making sure that we're closing loopholes for companies that are shipping jobs overseas and focusing on small businesses and companies that are creating jobs here in the United States, or closing our deficit in a responsible, balanced way that allows us to invest in our future. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| All those things are designed to make sure that the American people, their genius, their grit, their determination, is -- is channeled and -- and they have an opportunity to succeed. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And everybody's getting a fair shot. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And everybody's getting a fair share -- everybody's doing a fair share, and everybody's playing by the same rules. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| You know, four years ago, I said that I'm not a perfect man and I wouldn't be a perfect president. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And that's probably a promise that Governor Romney thinks I've kept. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| But I also promised that I'd fight every single day on behalf of the American people, the middle class, and all those who were striving to get into the middle class. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I've kept that promise and if you'll vote for me, then I promise I'll fight just as hard in a second term. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Governor Romney, your two-minute closing. | Jim Lehrer | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Thank you, Jim, and Mr. President. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And thank you for tuning in this evening. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| This is a -- this is an important election and I'm concerned about America. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I'm concerned about the direction America has been taking over the last four years. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I -- I know this is bigger than an election about the two of us as individuals. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| It's bigger than our respective parties. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| It's an election about the course of America. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| What kind of America do you want to have for yourself and for your children. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And there really are two very different paths that we began speaking about this evening, and over the course of this month we're going to have two more presidential debates and a vice presidential debate. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| We're talk about those two paths. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| But they lead in very different directions. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And it's not just looking to our words that you have to take in evidence of where they go. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| You can look at the record. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| There's no question in my mind that if the president were to be reelected you'll continue to see a middle-class squeeze with incomes going down and prices going up. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I'll get incomes up again. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| You'll see chronic unemployment. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| We've had 43 straight months with unemployment above 8 percent. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| If I'm president I will create -- help create 12 million new jobs in this country with rising incomes. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| If the president's reelected, Obamacare will be fully installed. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| In my view that's going to mean a whole different way of life for people who counted on the insurance plan they had in the past. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Many will lose it. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| You're going to see health premiums go up by some $2,500 per family. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| If I'm elected we won't have Obama. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| We'll put in place the kind of principles that I put in place in my own state and allow each state to craft their own programs to get people insured and we'll focus on getting the cost of health care down. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| If the president were to be reelected you're going to see a $716 billion cut to Medicare. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| You'll have 4 million people who will lose Medicare Advantage. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| You'll have hospital and providers that'll no longer accept Medicare patients. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I'll restore that $716 billion to Medicare. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| And finally, military. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| The president's reelected you'll see dramatic cuts to our military. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| The secretary of defense has said these would be even devastating. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I will not cut our commitment to our military. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| I will keep America strong and get America's middle class working again. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Thank you, Jim. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 03 Oct 2012 |
| Good evening from Hofstra University in Hempstead, New York. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I'm Candy Crowley from CNN's "State of the Union." | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| We are here for the second presidential debate, a town hall, sponsored by the Commission on Presidential Debates. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| The Gallup organization chose 82 uncommitted voters from the New York area. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Their questions will drive the night. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| My goal is to give the conversation direction and to ensure questions get answered. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| The questions are known to me and my team only. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Neither the commission, nor the candidates have seen them. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I hope to get to as many questions as possible. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And because I am the optimistic sort, I'm sure the candidates will oblige by keeping their answers concise and on point. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Each candidate has as much as two minutes to respond to a common question, and there will be a two-minute follow-up. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| The audience here in the hall has agreed to be polite and attentive -- no cheering or booing or outbursts of any sort. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| We will set aside that agreement just this once to welcome President Barack Obama and Governor Mitt Romney. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| (APPLAUSE) Gentlemen, thank you both for joining us here tonight. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| We have a lot of folks who've been waiting all day to talk to you, so I want to get right to it. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Governor Romney, as you know, you won the coin toss, so the first question will go to you. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And I want to turn to a first-time voter, Jeremy Epstein, who has a question for you. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Mr. President, Governor Romney, as a 20-year-old college student, all I hear from professors, neighbors and others is that when I graduate, I will have little chance to get employment. | QUESTION | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| What can you say to reassure me, but more importantly my parents, that I will be able to sufficiently support myself after I graduate? | QUESTION | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Thank you, Jeremy. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I appreciate your -- your question, and thank you for being here this evening and to all of those from Nassau County that have come, thank you for your time. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Thank you to Hofstra University and to Candy Crowley for organizing and leading this -- this event. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Thank you, Mr. President, also for being part of this -- this debate. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Your question -- your question is one that's being asked by college kids all over this country. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I was in Pennsylvania with someone who had just graduated -- this was in Philadelphia -- and she said, "I've got my degree. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I can't find a job. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I've got three part- time jobs. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| They're just barely enough to pay for my food and pay for an apartment. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I can't begin to pay back my student loans." | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| So what we have to do is two things. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| We have to make sure that we make it easier for kids to afford college. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And also make sure that when they get out of college, there's a job. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| When I was governor of Massachusetts, to get a high school degree, you had to pass an exam. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| If you graduated in the top quarter of your airlines, we gave you a John and Abigail Adams scholarship, four years tuition free in the college of your choice in Massachusetts, it's a public institution. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I want to make sure we keep our Pell grant program growing. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| We're also going to have our loan program, so that people are able to afford school. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| But the key thing is to make sure you can get a job when you get out of school. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And what's happened over the last four years has been very, very hard for America's young people. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I want you to be able to get a job. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I know what it takes to get this economy going. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| With half of college kids graduating this year without a college -- excuse me, without a job. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And without a college level job, that's just unacceptable. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And likewise you've got more and more debt on your back. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| So more debt and less jobs. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I'm going to change that. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I know what it takes to create good jobs again. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I know what it takes to make sure that you have the kind of opportunity you deserve. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And kids across this country are going to recognize, we're bringing back an economy. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| It's not going to be like the last four years. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| The middle-class has been crushed over the last four years, and jobs have been too scarce. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I know what it takes to bring them back, and I'm going to do that, and make sure that when you graduate -- when do you graduate? | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| 2014. | QUESTION | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| 2014. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| When you come out in 2014, I presume I'm going to be president. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I'm going to make sure you get a job. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Thanks Jeremy. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Yeah, you bet. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Mr. President? | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Jeremy, first of all, your future is bright. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And the fact that you're making an investment in higher education is critical. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Not just to you, but to the entire nation. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Now, the most important thing we can do is to make sure that we are creating jobs in this country. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| But not just jobs, good paying jobs. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Ones that can support a family. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And what I want to do, is build on the five million jobs that we've created over the last 30 months in the private sector alone. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And there are a bunch of things we can do to make sure your future is bright. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Number one, I want to build manufacturing jobs in this country again. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Now when Governor Romney said we should let Detroit go bankrupt. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I said we're going to bet on American workers and the American auto industry and it's come surging back. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I want to do that in industries, not just in Detroit, but all across the country and that means we change our tax code so we're giving incentives to companies that are investing here in the United States and creating jobs here. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| It also means we're helping them and small businesses to export all around the world to new markets. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Number two, we've got to make sure that we have the best education system in the world. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And the fact that you're going to college is great, but I want everybody to get a great education and we've worked hard to make sure that student loans are available for folks like you, but I also want to make sure that community colleges are offering slots for workers to get retrained for the jobs that are out there right now and the jobs of the future. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Number three, we've got to control our own energy. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Now, not only oil and natural gas, which we've been investing in; but also, we've got to make sure we're building the energy source of the future, not just thinking about next year, but ten years from now, 20 years from now. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| That's why we've invested in solar and wind and biofuels, energy efficient cars. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| We've got to reduce our deficit, but we've got to do it in a balanced way. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Asking the wealthy to pay a little bit more along with cuts so that we can invest in education like yours. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And let's take the money that we've been spending on war over the last decade to rebuild America, roads, bridges schools. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| We do those things, not only is your future going to be bright but America's future is going to bright as well. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Let me ask you for more immediate answer and begin with Mr. Romney just quickly what -- what can you do? | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| We're looking at a situation where 40 percent of the unemployed have been unemployed have been unemployed for six months or more. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| They don't have the two years that Jeremy has. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| What about those long term unemployed who need a job right now? | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Well what you're seeing in this country is 23 million people struggling to find a job. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And a lot of them, as you say, Candy, have been out of work for a long, long, long time. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| The president's policies have been exercised over the last four years and they haven't put Americans back to work. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| We have fewer people working today than we had when the president took office. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| If the -- the unemployment rate was 7.8 percent when he took office, it's 7.8 percent now. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| But if you calculated that unemployment rate, taking back the people who dropped out of the workforce, it would be 10.7 percent. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| We have not made the progress we need to make to put people back to work. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| That's why I put out a five-point plan that gets America 12 million new jobs in four years and rising take-home pay. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| It's going to help Jeremy get a job when he comes out of school. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| It's going to help people across the country that are unemployed right now. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And one thing that the president said, which I want to make sure that we understand, he said that I said we should take Detroit bankrupt. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And that's right. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| My plan was to have the company go through bankruptcy like 7-Eleven did and Macy's and Condell (ph) Airlines and come out stronger. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And I know he keeps saying, you want to take Detroit bankrupt. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Well, the president took Detroit bankrupt. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| You took General Motors bankrupt. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| You took Chrysler bankrupt. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| So when you say that I wanted to take the auto industry bankrupt, you actually did. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And I think it's important to know that that was a process that was necessary to get those companies back on their feet, so they could start hiring more people. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| That was precisely what I recommended and ultimately what happened. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Let me give the president a chance.Go ahead. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Candy, what Governor Romney said just isn't true. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| He wanted to take them into bankruptcy without providing them any way to stay open. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And we would have lost a million jobs. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And that -- don't take my word for it, take the executives at GM and Chrysler, some of whom are Republicans, may even support Governor Romney. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| But they'll tell you his prescription wasn't going to work. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And Governor Romney's says he's got a five-point plan? | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Governor Romney doesn't have a five-point plan. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| He has a one-point plan. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And that plan is to make sure that folks at the top play by a different set of rules. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| That's been his philosophy in the private sector, that's been his philosophy as governor, that's been his philosophy as a presidential candidate. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| You can make a lot of money and pay lower tax rates than somebody who makes a lot less. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| You can ship jobs overseas and get tax breaks for it. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| You can invest in a company, bankrupt it, lay off the workers, strip away their pensions, and you still make money. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| That's exactly the philosophy that we've seen in place for the last decade. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| That's what's been squeezing middle class families. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And we have fought back for four years to get out of that mess. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| The last thing we need to do is to go back to the very same policies that got us there. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Mr. President, the next question is going to be for you here. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And, Mr. Romney -- Governor Romney -- there'll be plenty of chances here to go on, but I want to... | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| That -- that Detroit -- that Detroit answer... | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| We have all these folks. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| ... that Detroit answer... | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I will let you absolutely... | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| ... and the rest of the answer, way off the mark. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| OK. Will -- will -- you certainly will have lots of time here coming up. | Candy Crowley | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Because I want to move you on to something that's sort of connected to cars here, and -- and go over. | Candy Crowley | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And we want to get a question from Phillip Tricolla. | Candy Crowley | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Your energy secretary, Steven Chu, has now been on record three times stating it's not policy of his department to help lower gas prices. | QUESTION | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Do you agree with Secretary Chu that this is not the job of the Energy Department? | QUESTION | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| The most important thing we can do is to make sure we control our own energy. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| So here's what I've done since I've been president. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| We have increased oil production to the highest levels in 16 years. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Natural gas production is the highest it's been in decades. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| We have seen increases in coal production and coal employment. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| But what I've also said is we can't just produce traditional source of energy. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| We've also got to look to the future. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| That's why we doubled fuel efficiency standards on cars. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| That means that in the middle of the next decade, any car you buy, you're going to end up going twice as far on a gallon of gas. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| That's why we doubled clean -- clean energy production like wind and solar and biofuels. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And all these things have contributed to us lowering our oil imports to the lowest levels in 16 years. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Now, I want to build on that. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And that means, yes, we still continue to open up new areas for drilling. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| We continue to make it a priority for us to go after natural gas. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| We've got potentially 600,000 jobs and 100 years worth of energy right beneath our feet with natural gas. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And we can do it in an environmentally sound way. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| But we've also got to continue to figure out how we have efficiency energy, because ultimately that's how we're going to reduce demand and that's what's going to keep gas prices lower. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Now, Governor Romney will say he's got an all-of-the-above plan, but basically his plan is to let the oil companies write the energy policies. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| So he's got the oil and gas part, but he doesn't have the clean energy part. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And if we are only thinking about tomorrow or the next day and not thinking about 10 years from now, we're not going to control our own economic future. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Because China, Germany, they're making these investments. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And I'm not going to cede those jobs of the future to those countries. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I expect those new energy sources to be built right here in the United States. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| That's going to help Jeremy get a job. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| It's also going to make sure that you're not paying as much for gas. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Governor, on the subject of gas prices? | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Well, let's look at the president's policies, all right, as opposed to the rhetoric, because we've had four years of policies being played out. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And the president's right in terms of the additional oil production, but none of it came on federal land. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| As a matter of fact, oil production is down 14 percent this year on federal land, and gas production was down 9 percent. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Why? | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Because the president cut in half the number of licenses and permits for drilling on federal lands, and in federal waters. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| So where'd the increase come from? | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Well a lot of it came from the Bakken Range in North Dakota. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| What was his participation there? | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| The administration brought a criminal action against the people drilling up there for oil, this massive new resource we have. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And what was the cost? | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| 20 or 25 birds were killed and brought out a migratory bird act to go after them on a criminal basis. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Look, I want to make sure we use our oil, our coal, our gas, our nuclear, our renewables. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I believe very much in our renewable capabilities; ethanol, wind, solar will be an important part of our energy mix. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| But what we don't need is to have the president keeping us from taking advantage of oil, coal and gas. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| This has not been Mr. Oil, or Mr. Gas, or Mr. Coal. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Talk to the people that are working in those industries. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I was in coal country. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| People grabbed my arms and said, "Please save my job." | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| The head of the EPA said, "You can't build a coal plant. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| You'll virtually -- it's virtually impossible given our regulations." | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| When the president ran for office, he said if you build a coal plant, you can go ahead, but you'll go bankrupt. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| That's not the right course for America. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Let's take advantage of the energy resources we have, as well as the energy sources for the future. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And if we do that, if we do what I'm planning on doing, which is getting us energy independent, North America energy independence within eight years, you're going to see manufacturing jobs come back. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Because our energy is low cost, that are already beginning to come back because of our abundant energy. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I'll get America and North America energy independent. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I'll do it by more drilling, more permits and licenses. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| We're going to bring that pipeline in from Canada. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| How in the world the president said no to that pipeline? | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I will never know. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| This is about bringing good jobs back for the middle class of America, and that's what I'm going to do. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Mr. President, let me just see if I can move you to the gist of this question, which is, are we looking at the new normal? | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I can tell you that tomorrow morning, a lot of people in Hempstead will wake up and fill up and they will find that the price of gas is over $4 a gallon. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Is it within the purview of the government to bring those prices down, or are we looking at the new normal? | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Candy, there's no doubt that world demand's gone up, but our production is going up, and we're using oil more efficiently. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And very little of what Governor Romney just said is true. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| We've opened up public lands. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| We're actually drilling more on public lands than in the previous administration and my -- the previous president was an oil man. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And natural gas isn't just appearing magically. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| We're encouraging it and working with the industry. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And when I hear Governor Romney say he's a big coal guy, I mean, keep in mind, when -- Governor, when you were governor of Massachusetts, you stood in front of a coal plant and pointed at it and said, "This plant kills," and took great pride in shutting it down. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And now suddenly you're a big champion of coal. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| So what I've tried to do is be consistent. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| With respect to something like coal, we made the largest investment in clean coal technology, to make sure that even as we're producing more coal, we're producing it cleaner and smarter. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Same thing with oil, same thing with natural gas. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And the proof is our oil imports are down to the lowest levels in 20 years. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Oil production is up, natural gas production is up, and, most importantly, we're also starting to build cars that are more efficient. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And that's creating jobs. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| That means those cars can be exported, 'cause that's the demand around the world, and it also means that it'll save money in your pocketbook. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| That's the strategy you need, an all-of-the-above strategy, and that's what we're going to do in the next four years. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| But that's not what you've done in the last four years. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| That's the problem. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| In the last four years, you cut permits and licenses on federal land and federal waters in half. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Not true, Governor Romney. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| So how much did you cut (inaudible)? | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Not true. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| How much did you cut them by, then? | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Governor, we have actually produced more oil -- | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| No, no. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| How much did you cut licenses and permits on federal land and federal waters? | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Governor Romney, here's what we did. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| There were a whole bunch of oil companies. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| (CROSSTALK) | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| No, no, I had a question and the question was how much did you cut them by? | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| You want me to answer a question -- | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| How much did you cut them by? | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I'm happy to answer the question. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| All right. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And it is -- | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Here's what happened. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| You had a whole bunch of oil companies who had leases on public lands that they weren't using. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| So what we said was you can't just sit on this for 10, 20, 30 years, decide when you want to drill, when you want to produce, when it's most profitable for you. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| These are public lands. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| So if you want to drill on public lands, you use it or you lose it. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| OK, (inaudible) -- | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And so what we did was take away those leases. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And we are now reletting them so that we can actually make a profit. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And production on private -- on government land -- | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Production is up. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| -- is down. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| No, it isn't. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Production on government land of oil is down 14 percent. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Governor -- | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And production on gas -- (CROSSTALK) | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| It's just not true. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| It's absolutely true. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Look, there's no question but the people recognize that we have not produced more (inaudible) on federal lands and in federal waters. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And coal, coal production is not up; coal jobs are not up. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I was just at a coal facility, where some 1,200 people lost their jobs. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| The right course for America is to have a true all-of-the-above policy. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I don't think anyone really believes that you're a person who's going to be pushing for oil and gas and coal. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| You'll get your chance in a moment. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I'm still speaking. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Well -- | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And the answer is I don't believe people think that's the case -- | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| -- (inaudible). | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| That wasn't the question. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| OK. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| That was a statement. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I don't think the American people believe that. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I will fight for oil, coal and natural gas. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And the proof, the proof of whether a strategy is working or not is what the price is that you're paying at the pump. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| If you're paying less than you paid a year or two ago, why, then, the strategy is working. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| But you're paying more. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| When the president took office, the price of gasoline here in Nassau County was about $1.86 a gallon. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Now, it's $4.00 a gallon. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| The price of electricity is up. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| If the president's energy policies are working, you're going to see the cost of energy come down. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I will fight to create more energy in this country, to get America energy secure. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And part of that is bringing in a pipeline of oil from Canada, taking advantage of the oil and coal we have here, drilling offshore in Alaska, drilling offshore in Virginia where the people want it. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Those things will get us the energy we need. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Mr. President, could you address, because we did finally get to gas prices here, could you address what the governor said, which is if your energy policy was working, the price of gasoline would not be $4 a gallon here. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Is that true? | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Well, think about what the governor -- think about what the governor just said. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| He said when I took office, the price of gasoline was $1.80, $1.86. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Why is that? | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Because the economy was on the verge of collapse, because we were about to go through the worst recession since the Great Depression, as a consequence of some of the same policies that Governor Romney's now promoting. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| So, it's conceivable that Governor Romney could bring down gas prices because with his policies, we might be back in that same mess. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| What I want to do is to create an economy that is strong, and at the same time produce energy. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And with respect to this pipeline that Governor Romney keeps on talking about, we've -- we've built enough pipeline to wrap around the entire earth once. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| So, I'm all for pipelines. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I'm all for oil production. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| What I'm not for is us ignoring the other half of the equation. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| So, for example, on wind energy, when Governor Romney says "these are imaginary jobs." | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| When you've got thousands of people right now in Iowa, right now in Colorado, who are working, creating wind power with good-paying manufacturing jobs, and the Republican senator in that -- in Iowa is all for it, providing tax breaks (ph) to help this work and Governor Romney says I'm opposed. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I'd get rid of it. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| That's not an energy strategy for the future. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And we need to win that future. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And I intend to win it as President of the United States. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I got to -- I got to move you on -- | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| He gets the first -- | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| -- and the next question -- | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| He actually got -- | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| -- for you -- | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| He actually got the first question. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| So I get the last question -- last answer -- | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| (Inaudible) in the follow up, it doesn't quite work like that. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| But I'm going to give you a chance here. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I promise you, I'm going to. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And the next question is for you. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| So if you want to, you know, continue on -- but I don't want to leave all -- | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Candy, Candy -- | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| -- sitting here -- | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Candy, I don't have a policy of stopping wind jobs in Iowa and that -- they're not phantom jobs. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| They're real jobs. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| OK. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I appreciate wind jobs in Iowa and across our country. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I appreciate the jobs in coal and oil and gas. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I'm going to make sure -- | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| OK. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| -- we're taking advantage of our energy resources. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| We'll bring back manufacturing to America. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| We're going to get through a very aggressive energy policy, 31/2 million more jobs in this country. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| It's critical to our future. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Candy, it's not going to -- | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| We're going to move you along -- | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Used to being interrupted. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| We're going to move you both along to taxes over here and all these folks that have been waiting. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Governor, this question is for you. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| It comes from Mary Follano -- Follano, sorry. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Hi, Mary. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Governor Romney, you have stated that if you're elected president, you would plan to reduce the tax rates for all the tax brackets and that you would work with the Congress to eliminate some deductions in order to make up for the loss in revenue. | QUESTION | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Concerning the -- these various deductions, the mortgage deductions, the charitable deductions, the child tax credit and also the -- oh, what's that other credit? | QUESTION | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I forgot. | QUESTION | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| You're doing great. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Oh, I remember. | QUESTION | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| The education credits, which are important to me, because I have children in college. | QUESTION | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| What would be your position on those things, which are important to the middle class? | QUESTION | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Thank you very much. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And let me tell you, you're absolutely right about part of that, which is I want to bring the rates down, I want to simplify the tax code, and I want to get middle- income taxpayers to have lower taxes. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And the reason I want middle-income taxpayers to have lower taxes is because middle-income taxpayers have been buried over the past four years. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| You've seen, as middle-income people in this country, incomes go down $4,300 a family, even as gasoline prices have gone up $2,000. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Health insurance premiums, up $2,500. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Food prices up. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Utility prices up. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| The middle-income families in America have been crushed over the last four years. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| So I want to get some relief to middle-income families. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| That's part -- that's part one. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Now, how about deductions? | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| 'Cause I'm going to bring rates down across the board for everybody, but I'm going to limit deductions and exemptions and credits, particularly for people at the high end, because I am not going to have people at the high end pay less than they're paying now. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| The top 5 percent of taxpayers will continue to pay 60 percent of the income tax the nation collects. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| So that'll stay the same. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Middle-income people are going to get a tax break. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And so, in terms of bringing down deductions, one way of doing that would be say everybody gets -- I'll pick a number -- $25,000 of deductions and credits, and you can decide which ones to use. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Your home mortgage interest deduction, charity, child tax credit, and so forth, you can use those as part of filling that bucket, if you will, of deductions. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| But your rate comes down and the burden also comes down on you for one more reason, and that is every middle-income taxpayer no longer will pay any tax on interest, dividends or capital gains. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| No tax on your savings. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| That makes life a lot easier. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| If you're getting interest from a bank, if you're getting a statement from a mutual fund or any other kind of investment you have, you don't have to worry about filing taxes on that, because there'll be no taxes for anybody making $200,000.00 per year and less, on your interest, dividends and capital gains. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Why am I lowering taxes on the middle-class? | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Because under the last four years, they've been buried. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And I want to help people in the middle-class. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And I will not -- I will not under any circumstances, reduce the share that's being paid by the highest income taxpayers. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And I will not, under any circumstances increase taxes on the middle-class. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| The president's spending, the president's borrowing will cost this nation to have to raise taxes on the American people. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Not just at the high end. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| A recent study has shown the people in the middle-class will see $4,000.00 per year in higher taxes as a result of the spending and borrowing of this administration. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I will not let that happen. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I want to get us on track to a balanced budget, and I'm going to reduce the tax burden on middle income families. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And what's that going to do? | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| It's going to help those families, and it's going to create incentives to start growing jobs again in this country. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Thanks, Governor. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| My philosophy on taxes has been simple. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And that is, I want to give middle-class families and folks who are striving to get into the middle-class some relief. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Because they have been hit hard over the last decade. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Over the last 15, over the last 20 years. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| So four years ago I stood on a stage just like this one. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Actually it was a town hall, and I said I would cut taxes for middle- class families, and that's what I've done, by $3,600.00. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I said I would cut taxes for small businesses, who are the drivers and engines of growth. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And we've cut them 18 times. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And I want to continue those tax cuts for middle-class families, and for small business. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| But what I've also said is, if we're serious about reducing the deficit, if this is genuinely a moral obligation to the next generation, then in addition to some tough spending cuts, we've also got to make sure that the wealthy do a little bit more. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| So what I've said is, your first $250,000.00 worth of income, no change. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And that means 98 percent of American families, 97 percent of small businesses, they will not see a tax increase. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I'm ready to sign that bill right now. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| The only reason it's not happening is because Governor Romney's allies in Congress have held the 98 percent hostage because they want tax breaks for the top 2 percent. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| But what I've also says is for above $250,000, we can go back to the tax rates we had when Bill Clinton was president. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| We created 23 million new jobs. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| That's part of what took us from deficits to surplus. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| It will be good for our economy and it will be good for job creation. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Now, Governor Romney has a different philosophy. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| He was on 60 Minutes just two weeks ago and he was asked: Is it fair for somebody like you, making $20 million a year, to pay a lower tax rate than a nurse or a bus driver, somebody making $50,000 year? | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And he said, "Yes, I think that's fair." | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Not only that, he said, "I think that's what grows the economy." | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Well, I fundamentally disagree with that. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I think what grows the economy is when you get that tax credit that we put in place for your kids going to college. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I think that grows the economy. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I think what grows the economy is when we make sure small businesses are getting a tax credit for hiring veterans who fought for our country. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| That grows our economy. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| So we just have a different theory. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And when Governor Romney stands here, after a year of campaigning, when during a Republican primary he stood on stage and said "I'm going to give tax cuts" -- he didn't say tax rate cuts, he said "tax cuts to everybody," including the top 1 percent, you should believe him because that's been his history. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And that's exactly the kind of top-down economics that is not going to work if we want a strong middle class and an economy that's striving for everybody. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Governor Romney, I'm sure you've got a reply there. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| (LAUGHTER) | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| You're absolutely right. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| You heard what I said about my tax plan. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| The top 5 percent will continue to pay 60 percent, as they do today. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I'm not looking to cut taxes for wealthy people. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I am looking to cut taxes for middle-income people. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And why do I want to bring rates down, and at the same time lower exemptions and deductions, particularly for people at the high end? | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Because if you bring rates down, it makes it easier for small business to keep more of their capital and hire people. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And for me, this is about jobs. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I want to get America's economy going again. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Fifty-four percent of America's workers work in businesses that are taxed as individuals. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| So when you bring those rates down, those small businesses are able to keep more money and hire more people. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| For me, I look at what's happened in the last four years and say this has been a disappointment. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| We can do better than this. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| We don't have to settle for, how many months, 43 months with unemployment above 8 percent, 23 million Americans struggling to find a good job right now. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| There are 3.5 million more women living in poverty today than when the president took office. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| We don't have to live like this. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| We can get this economy going again. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| My five-point plan does it. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Energy independence for North America in five years. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Opening up more trade, particularly in Latin America. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Cracking down on China when they cheat. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Getting us to a balanced budget. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Fixing our training programs for our workers. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And finally, championing small business. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I want to make small businesses grow and thrive. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I know how to make that happen. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I spent my life in the private sector. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I know why jobs come and why they go. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And they're going now because of the policies of this administration. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Governor, let me ask the president something about what you just said. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| The governor says that he is not going to allow the top 5 percent, believe is what he said, to have a tax cut, that it will all even out, that what he wants to do is give that tax cut to the middle class. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Settled? | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| No, it's not settled. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Look, the cost of lowering rates for everybody across the board, 20 percent. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Along with what he also wants to do in terms of eliminating the estate tax, along what he wants to do in terms of corporates, changes in the tax code, it costs about $5 trillion. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Governor Romney then also wants to spend $2 trillion on additional military programs even though the military's not asking for them. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| That's $7 trillion. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| He also wants to continue the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| That's another trillion dollars -- that's $8 trillion. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Now, what he says is he's going to make sure that this doesn't add to the deficit and he's going to cut middleclass taxes. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| But when he's asked, how are you going to do it, which deductions, which loopholes are you going to close? | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| He can't tell you. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| The -- the fact that he only has to pay 14 percent on his taxes when a lot of you are paying much higher. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| He's already taken that off the board, capital gains are going to continue to be at a low rate so we -- we're not going to get money that way. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| We haven't heard from the governor any specifics beyond Big Bird and eliminating funding for Planned Parenthood in terms of how he pays for that. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Now, Governor Romney was a very successful investor. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| If somebody came to you, Governor, with a plan that said, here, I want to spend $7 or $8 trillion, and then we're going to pay for it, but we can't tell you until maybe after the election how we're going to do it, you wouldn't take such a sketchy deal and neither should you, the American people, because the math doesn't add up. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And -- and what's at stake here is one of two things, either Candy -- this blows up the deficit because keep in mind, this is just to pay for the additional spending that he's talking about, $7 trillion - $8 trillion before we even get to the deficit we already have. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Or, alternatively, it's got to be paid for, not only by closing deductions for wealthy individuals, that -- that will pay for about 4 percent reduction in tax rates. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| You're going to be paying for it. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| You're going to lose some deductions, and you can't buy the sales pitch. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Nobody who's looked at it that's serious, actually believes it adds up. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Mr. President, let me get -- let me get the governor in on this. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And Governor, let's -- before we get into a... | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I -- I... | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| ...vast array of who says -- what study says what, if it shouldn't add up. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| If somehow when you get in there, there isn't enough tax revenue coming in. | Candy Crowley | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| If somehow the numbers don't add up, would you be willing to look again at a 20 percent... | Candy Crowley | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Well of course they add up. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I -- I was -- I was someone who ran businesses for 25 years, and balanced the budget. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I ran the Olympics and balanced the budget. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I ran the -- the state of Massachusetts as a governor, to the extent any governor does, and balanced the budget all four years. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| When we're talking about math that doesn't add up, how about $4 trillion of deficits over the last four years, $5 trillion? | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| That's math that doesn't add up. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| We have -- we have a president talking about someone's plan in a way that's completely foreign to what my real plan is. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And then we have his own record, which is we have four consecutive years where he said when he was running for office, he would cut the deficit in half. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Instead he's doubled it. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| We've gone from $10 trillion of national debt, to $16 trillion of national debt. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| If the president were reelected, we'd go to almost $20 trillion of national debt. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| This puts us on a road to Greece. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I know what it takes to balance budgets. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I've done it my entire life. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| So for instance when he says, "Yours is a $5 trillion cut." | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Well, no it's not. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Because I'm offsetting some of the reductions with holding down some of the deductions. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And... | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Governor, I've gotta -- gotta -- actually, I need to have you both (inaudible). | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| (CROSSTALK) | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I understand the stakes here. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I understand both of you. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| But I -- I will get run out of town if I don't... (CROSSTALK) | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And I just described -- I just described to you, Mr. President -- I just described to you precisely how I'd do it which is with a single number that people can put -- and they can put they're -- they're deductions and credits... (CROSSTALK) | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Mr. President, we're keeping track, I promise you. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And Mr. President, the next question is for you, so stay standing. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Great. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Looking forward to it. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And it's Katherine Fenton, who has a question for you. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| In what new ways to you intend to rectify the inequalities in the workplace, specifically regarding females making only 72 percent of what their male counterparts earn? | QUESTION | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Well, Katherine, that's a great question. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And, you know, I was raised by a single mom who had to put herself through school while looking after two kids. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And she worked hard every day and made a lot of sacrifices to make sure we got everything we needed. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| My grandmother, she started off as a secretary in a bank. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| She never got a college education, even though she was smart as a whip. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And she worked her way up to become a vice president of a local bank, but she hit the glass ceiling. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| She trained people who would end up becoming her bosses during the course of her career. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| She didn't complain. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| That's not what you did in that generation. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And this is one of the reasons why one of the first -- the first bill I signed was something called the Lily Ledbetter bill. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And it's named after this amazing woman who had been doing the same job as a man for years, found out that she was getting paid less, and the Supreme Court said that she couldn't bring suit because she should have found about it earlier, whereas she had no way of finding out about it. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| So we fixed that. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And that's an example of the kind of advocacy that we need, because women are increasingly the breadwinners in the family. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| This is not just a women's issue, this is a family issue, this is a middle-class issue, and that's why we've got to fight for it. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| It also means that we've got to make sure that young people like yourself are able to afford a college education. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Earlier, Governor Romney talked about he wants to make Pell Grants and other education accessible for young people. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Well, the truth of the matter is, is that that's exactly what we've done. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| We've expanded Pell Grants for millions of people, including millions of young women, all across the country. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| We did it by taking $60 billion that was going to banks and lenders as middlemen for the student loan program, and we said, let's just cut out the middleman. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Let's give the money directly to students. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And as a consequence, we've seen millions of young people be able to afford college, and that's going to make sure that young women are going to be able to compete in that marketplace. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| But we've got to enforce the laws, which is what we are doing, and we've also got to make sure that in every walk of life we do not tolerate discrimination. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| That's been one of the hallmarks of my administration. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I'm going to continue to push on this issue for the next four years. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Governor Romney, pay equity for women? | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Thank you. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And important topic, and one which I learned a great deal about, particularly as I was serving as governor of my state, because I had the chance to pull together a cabinet and all the applicants seemed to be men. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And I -- and I went to my staff, and I said, "How come all the people for these jobs are -- are all men." | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| They said, "Well, these are the people that have the qualifications." | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And I said, "Well, gosh, can't we -- can't we find some -- some women that are also qualified?" | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And -- and so we -- we took a concerted effort to go out and find women who had backgrounds that could be qualified to become members of our cabinet. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I went to a number of women's groups and said, "Can you help us find folks," and they brought us whole binders full of women. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I was proud of the fact that after I staffed my Cabinet and my senior staff, that the University of New York in Albany did a survey of all 50 states, and concluded that mine had more women in senior leadership positions than any other state in America. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Now one of the reasons I was able to get so many good women to be part of that team was because of our recruiting effort. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| But number two, because I recognized that if you're going to have women in the workforce that sometimes you need to be more flexible. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| My chief of staff, for instance, had two kids that were still in school. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| She said, I can't be here until 7 or 8 o'clock at night. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I need to be able to get home at 5 o'clock so I can be there for making dinner for my kids and being with them when they get home from school. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| So we said fine. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Let's have a flexible schedule so you can have hours that work for you. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| We're going to have to have employers in the new economy, in the economy I'm going to bring to play, that are going to be so anxious to get good workers they're going to be anxious to hire women. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| In the -- in the last women have lost 580,000 jobs. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| That's the net of what's happened in the last four years. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| We're still down 580,000 jobs. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I mentioned 31/2 million women, more now in poverty than four years ago. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| What we can do to help young women and women of all ages is to have a strong economy, so strong that employers that are looking to find good employees and bringing them into their workforce and adapting to a flexible work schedule that gives women opportunities that they would otherwise not be able to afford. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| This is what I have done. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| It's what I look forward to doing and I know what it takes to make an economy work, and I know what a working economy looks like. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And an economy with 7.8 percent unemployment is not a real strong economy. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| An economy that has 23 million people looking for work is not a strong economy. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| An economy with 50 percent of kids graduating from college that can't finds a job, or a college level job, that's not what we have to have. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Governor? | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I'm going to help women in America get good work by getting a stronger economy and by supporting women in the workforce. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Mr. President why don't you get in on this quickly, please? | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Katherine, I just want to point out that when Governor Romney's campaign was asked about the Lilly Ledbetter bill, whether he supported it? | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| He said, "I'll get back to you." | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And that's not the kind of advocacy that women need in any economy. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Now, there are some other issues that have a bearing on how women succeed in the workplace. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| For example, their healthcare. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| You know a major difference in this campaign is that Governor Romney feels comfortable having politicians in Washington decide the health care choices that women are making. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I think that's a mistake. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| In my health care bill, I said insurance companies need to provide contraceptive coverage to everybody who is insured. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Because this is not just a -- a health issue, it's an economic issue for women. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| It makes a difference. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| This is money out of that family's pocket. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Governor Romney not only opposed it, he suggested that in fact employers should be able to make the decision as to whether or not a woman gets contraception through her insurance coverage. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| That's not the kind of advocacy that women need. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| When Governor Romney says that we should eliminate funding for Planned Parenthood, there are millions of women all across the country, who rely on Planned Parenthood for, not just contraceptive care, they rely on it for mammograms, for cervical cancer screenings. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| That's a pocketbook issue for women and families all across the country. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And it makes a difference in terms of how well and effectively women are able to work. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| When we talk about child care, and the credits that we're providing. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| That makes a difference in whether they can go out there and -- and earn a living for their family. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| These are not just women's issues. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| These are family issues. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| These are economic issues. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And one of the things that makes us grow as an economy is when everybody participates and women are getting the same fair deal as men are. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Mr. President... | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And I've got two daughters and I want to make sure that they have the same opportunities that anybody's sons have. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| That's part of what I'm fighting for as president of the United States. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I want to move us along here to Susan Katz, who has a question. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And, Governor, it's for you. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Governor Romney, I am an undecided voter, because I'm disappointed with the lack of progress I've seen in the last four years. | QUESTION | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| However, I do attribute much of America's economic and international problems to the failings and missteps of the Bush administration. | QUESTION | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Since both you and President Bush are Republicans, I fear a return to the policies of those years should you win this election. | QUESTION | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| What is the biggest difference between you and George W. Bush, and how do you differentiate yourself from George W. Bush? | QUESTION | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Thank you. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And I appreciate that question. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I just want to make sure that, I think I was supposed to get that last answer, but I want to point out that that I don't believe... | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I don't think so, Candy. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| ... | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I don't believe... | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I want to make sure our timekeepers are working here. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| The time -- the time... | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| OK. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| The timekeepers are all working. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And let me tell you that the last part, it's for the two of you to talk to one another, and it isn't quite as (inaudible) you think. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| But go ahead and use this two minutes any way you'd like to, the question is on the floor. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I'd just note that I don't believe that bureaucrats in Washington should tell someone whether they can use contraceptives or not. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And I don't believe employers should tell someone whether they could have contraceptive care of not. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Every woman in America should have access to contraceptives. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And -- and the -- and the president's statement of my policy is completely and totally wrong. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Governor... | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Let me come back and -- and answer your question. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| President Bush and I are -- are different people and these are different times and that's why my five point plan is so different than what he would have done. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I mean for instance, we can now, by virtue of new technology actually get all the energy we need in North America without having to go to the -- the Arabs or the Venezuelans or anyone else. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| That wasn't true in his time, that's why my policy starts with a very robust policy to get all that energy in North America -- become energy secure. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Number two, trade -- I'll crack down on China, President Bush didn't. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I'm also going to dramatically expand trade in Latin America. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| It's been growing about 12 percent per year over a long period of time. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I want to add more free trade agreements so we'll have more trade. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Number three, I'm going to get us to a balanced budget. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| President Bush didn't. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | NaN | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| President Obama was right, he said that that was outrageous to have deficits as high as half a trillion dollars under the Bush years. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| He was right, but then he put in place deficits twice that size for every one of his four years. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And his forecast for the next four years is more deficits, almost that large. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| So that's the next area I'm different than President Bush. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And then let's take the last one, championing small business. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Our party has been focused too long. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I came through small business. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I understand how hard it is to start a small business. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| That's why everything I'll do is designed to help small businesses grow and add jobs. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I want to keep their taxes down on small business. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I want regulators to see their job as encouraging small enterprise, not crushing it. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And the thing I find the most troubling about Obama Care, well it's a long list, but one of the things I find most troubling is that when you go out and talk to small businesses and ask them what they think about it, they tell you it keeps them from hiring more people. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| My priority is jobs. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I know how to make that happen. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And President Bush has a very different path for a very different time. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| My path is designed in getting small businesses to grow and hire people. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Thanks, Governor. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Mr. President? | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Well, first of all, I think it's important to tell you that we did come in during some tough times. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| We were losing 800,000 jobs a month when I started. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| But we had been digging our way out of policies that were misplaced and focused on the top doing very well and middle class folks not doing well. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Now, we've seen 30 consecutive -- 31 consecutive months of job growth; 5.2 million new jobs created. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And the plans that I talked about will create even more. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| But when Governor Romney says that he has a very different economic plan, the centerpiece of his economic plan are tax cuts. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| That's what took us from surplus to deficit. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| When he talks about getting tough on China, keep in mind that Governor Romney invested in companies that were pioneers of outsourcing to China, and is currently investing in countries -- in companies that are building surveillance equipment for China to spy on its own folks. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| That's -- Governor, you're the last person who's going to get tough on China. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And what we've done when it comes to trade is not only sign three trade deals to open up new markets, but we've also set up a task force for trade that goes after anybody who is taking advantage of American workers or businesses and not creating a level playing field. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| We've brought twice as many cases against unfair trading practices than the previous administration and we've won every single one that's been decided. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| When I said that we had to make sure that China was not flooding our domestic market with cheap tires, Governor Romney said I was being protectionist; that it wouldn't be helpful to American workers. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Well, in fact we saved 1,000 jobs. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And that's the kind of tough trade actions that are required. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| But the last point I want to make is this. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| You know, there are some things where Governor Romney is different from George Bush. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| George Bush didn't propose turning Medicare into a voucher. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| George Bush embraced comprehensive immigration reform. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| He didn't call for self-deportation. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| George Bush never suggested that we eliminate funding for Planned Parenthood, so there are differences between Governor Romney and George Bush, but they're not on economic policy. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| In some ways, he's gone to a more extreme place when it comes to social policy. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And I think that's a mistake. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| That's not how we're going to move our economy forward. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I want to move you both along to the next question, because it's in the same wheelhouse, so you will be able to respond. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| But the president does get this question. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I want to call on Michael Jones. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Mr. President, I voted for you in 2008. | QUESTION | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| What have you done or accomplished to earn my vote in 2012? | QUESTION | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I'm not that optimistic as I was in 2012. | QUESTION | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Most things I need for everyday living are very expensive. | QUESTION | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Well, we've gone through a tough four years. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| There's no doubt about it. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| But four years ago, I told the American people and I told you I would cut taxes for middle class families. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And I did. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I told you I'd cut taxes for small businesses, and I have. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I said that I'd end the war in Iraq, and I did. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I said we'd refocus attention on those who actually attacked us on 9/11, and we have gone after Al Qaeda's leadership like never before and Osama bin Laden is dead. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I said that we would put in place health care reform to make sure that insurance companies can't jerk you around and if you don't have health insurance, that you'd have a chance to get affordable insurance, and I have. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I committed that I would rein in the excesses of Wall Street, and we passed the toughest Wall Street reforms since the 1930s. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| We've created five million jobs, and gone from 800 jobs a month being lost, and we are making progress. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| We saved an auto industry that was on the brink of collapse. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Now, does that mean you're not struggling? | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Absolutely not. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| A lot of us are. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And that's why the plan that I've put forward for manufacturing and education, and reducing our deficit in a sensible way, using the savings from ending wars, to rebuild America and putting people back to work. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Making sure that we are controlling our own energy, but not only the energy of today, but also the energy of the future. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| All of those things will make a difference, so the point is the commitments I've made, I've kept. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And those that I haven't been able to keep, it's not for lack of trying and we're going to get it done in a second term. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| But, you should pay attention to this campaign, because Governor Romney has made some commitments as well. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And I suspect he'll keep those too. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| You know when members of the Republican Congress say, "We're going to sign a no tax pledge, so that we don't ask a dime for millionaires and billionaires to reduce our deficit so we can still invest in education, and helping kids go to college. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| He said, "Me too." | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| When they said, "We're going to cut Planned Parenthood funding." | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| He said, "Me too." | Barack H. Obama | NaN | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| When he said, "We're going to repeal Obamacare. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| First thing I'm going to do," despite the fact that it's the same health care plan that he passed in Massachusetts and is working well. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| He said, "Me too." | Barack H. Obama | NaN | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| That is not the kind of leadership that you need, but you should expect that those are promises he's going to keep. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| (CROSSTALK) | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Mr. President, let me let... (CROSSTALK) | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| ...the choice in this election is going to be whose promises are going to be more likely to help you in your life? | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Make sure your kids can go to college. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Make sure that you are getting a good paying job, making sure that Medicare and Social Security... (CROSSTALK) | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Mr. President. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Thank you. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| (CROSSTALK) | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| ...will be there for you. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Thank you. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Governor? | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I think you know better. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I think you know that these last four years haven't been so good as the president just described and that you don't feel like your confident that the next four years are going to be much better either. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I can tell you that if you were to elect President Obama, you know what you're going to get. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| You're going to get a repeat of the last four years. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| We just can't afford four more years like the last four years. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| He said that by now we'd have unemployment at 5.4 percent. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| The difference between where it is and 5.4 percent is 9 million Americans without work. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I wasn't the one that said 5.4 percent. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| This was the president's plan. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Didn't get there. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| He said he would have by now put forward a plan to reform Medicare and Social Security, because he pointed out they're on the road to bankruptcy. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| He would reform them. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| He'd get that done. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| He hasn't even made a proposal on either one. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| He said in his first year he'd put out an immigration plan that would deal with our immigration challenges. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Didn't even file it. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| This is a president who has not been able to do what he said he'd do. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| He said that he'd cut in half the deficit. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| He hasn't done that either. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| In fact, he doubled it. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| He said that by now middle-income families would have a reduction in their health insurance premiums by $2,500 a year. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| It's gone up by $2,500 a year. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And if Obamacare is passed, or implemented -- it's already been passed -- if it's implemented fully, it'll be another $2,500 on top. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| The middle class is getting crushed under the policies of a president who has not understood what it takes to get the economy working again. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| He keeps saying, "Look, I've created 5 million jobs." | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| That's after losing 5 million jobs. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| The entire record is such that the unemployment has not been reduced in this country. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| The unemployment, the number of people who are still looking for work, is still 23 million Americans. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| There are more people in poverty, one out of six people in poverty. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| How about food stamps? | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| When he took office, 32 million people were on food stamps. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Today, 47 million people are on food stamps. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| How about the growth of the economy? | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| It's growing more slowly this year than last year, and more slowly last year than the year before. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| The president wants to do well. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I understand. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| But the policies he's put in place from Obamacare to Dodd-Frank to his tax policies to his regulatory policies, these policies combined have not let this economy take off and grow like it could have. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| You might say, "Well, you got an example of one that worked better?" | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Yeah, in the Reagan recession where unemployment hit 10.8 percent, between that period -- the end of that recession and the equivalent of time to today, Ronald Reagan's recovery created twice as many jobs as this president's recovery. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Five million jobs doesn't even keep up with our population growth. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And the only reason the unemployment rate seems a little lower today is because of all the people that have dropped out of the workforce. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| The president has tried, but his policies haven't worked. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| He's great as a -- as a -- as a speaker and describing his plans and his vision. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| That's wonderful, except we have a record to look at. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And that record shows he just hasn't been able to cut the deficit, to put in place reforms for Medicare and Social Security to preserve them, to get us the rising incomes we need. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Median income is down $4,300 a family and 23 million Americans out of work. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| That's what this election is about. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| It's about who can get the middle class in this country a bright and prosperous future and assure our kids the kind of hope and optimism they deserve. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Governor, I want to move you along. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Don't -- don't go away, and we'll have plenty of time to respond. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| We are quite aware of the clock for both of you. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| But I want to bring in a different subject here. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Mr. President, I'll be right back with you. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Lorraine Osorio has a question for you about a topic we have not... | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| This is for Governor Romney? | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| It's for Governor Romney, and we'll be right with you, Mr. President. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Thanks. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Is it Loraina? | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Lorraine. | QUESTION | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Lorraine? | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Yes, Lorraine. | QUESTION | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Lorraine. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| How you doing? | QUESTION | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Good, thanks. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Mr. Romney, what do you plan on doing with immigrants without their green cards that are currently living here as productive members of society? | QUESTION | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Thank you. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Lorraine? | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Did I get that right? | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Good. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Thank you for your question. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And let me step back and tell you what I would like to do with our immigration policy broadly and include an answer to your question. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| But first of all, this is a nation of immigrants. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| We welcome people coming to this country as immigrants. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| My dad was born in Mexico of American parents; Ann's dad was born in Wales and is a first-generation American. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| We welcome legal immigrants into this country. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I want our legal system to work better. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I want it to be streamlined. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I want it to be clearer. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I don't think you have to -- shouldn't have to hire a lawyer to figure out how to get into this country legally. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I also think that we should give visas to people -- green cards, rather, to people who graduate with skills that we need. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| People around the world with accredited degrees in science and math get a green card stapled to their diploma, come to the U.S. of A. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| We should make sure our legal system works. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Number two, we're going to have to stop illegal immigration. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| There are 4 million people who are waiting in line to get here legally. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Those who've come here illegally take their place. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| So I will not grant amnesty to those who have come here illegally. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| What I will do is I'll put in place an employment verification system and make sure that employers that hire people who have come here illegally are sanctioned for doing so. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I won't put in place magnets for people coming here illegally. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| So for instance, I would not give driver's licenses to those that have come here illegally as the president would. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| The kids of those that came here illegally, those kids, I think, should have a pathway to become a permanent resident of the United States and military service, for instance, is one way they would have that kind of pathway to become a permanent resident. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Now when the president ran for office, he said that he'd put in place, in his first year, a piece of legislation -- he'd file a bill in his first year that would reform our -- our immigration system, protect legal immigration, stop illegal immigration. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| He didn't do it. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| He had a Democrat House, a Democrat Senate, super majority in both Houses. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Why did he fail to even promote legislation that would have provided an answer for those that want to come legally and for those that are here illegally today? | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| What's a question I think the -- the president will have a chance to answer right now. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Good, I look forward to it. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Was -- Lorranna -- Lorraine -- we are a nation of immigrants. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I mean we're just a few miles away from Ellis Island. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| We all understand what this country has become because talent from all around the world wants to come here. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| People are willing to take risks. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| People who want to build on their dreams and make sure their kids have an even bigger dreams than they have. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| But we're also a nation of laws. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| So what I've said is we need to fix a broken immigration system and I've done everything that I can on my own and sought cooperation from Congress to make sure that we fix the system. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| The first thing we did was to streamline the legal immigration system, to reduce the backlog, make it easier, simpler and cheaper for people who are waiting in line, obeying the law to make sure that they can come here and contribute to our country and that's good for our economic growth. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| They'll start new businesses. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| They'll make things happen to create jobs here in the United States. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Number two, we do have to deal with our border so we put more border patrol on the -- any time in history and the flow of undocumented works across the border is actually lower than it's been in 40 years. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| What I've also said is if we're going to go after folks who are here illegally, we should do it smartly and go after folks who are criminals, gang bangers, people who are hurting the community, not after students, not after folks who are here just because they're trying to figure out how to feed their families. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And that's what we've done. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And what I've also said is for young people who come here, brought here often times by their parents. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Had gone to school here, pledged allegiance to the flag. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Think of this as their country. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Understand themselves as Americans in every way except having papers. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And we should make sure that we give them a pathway to citizenship. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And that's what I've done administratively. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Now, Governor Romney just said, you know he wants to help those young people too, but during the Republican primary, he said, "I will veto the DREAM Act", that would allow these young people to have access." | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| His main strategy during the Republican primary was to say, "We're going to encourage self-deportation." | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Making life so miserable on folks that they'll leave. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| He called the Arizona law a model for the nation. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Part of the Arizona law said that law enforcement officers could stop folks because they suspected maybe they looked like they might be undocumented workers and check their papers. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| You know what? | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| If my daughter or yours looks to somebody like they're not a citizen, I don't want -- I don't want to empower somebody like that. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| So, we can fix this system in a comprehensive way. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And when Governor Romney says, the challenge is, "Well Obama didn't try." | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| That's not true. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I have sat down with Democrats and Republicans at the beginning of my term. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And I said, let's fix this system. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Including Senators previously who had supported it on the Republican side. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| But it's very hard for Republican's in Congress to support comprehensive immigration reform, if their standard bearer has said that, this is not something I'm interested in supporting. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Let me get the governor in here, Mr. President. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Let's speak to, if you could... | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Yes. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| ...the idea of self-deportation? | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| No, let -- let -- let me go back and speak to the points that the president made and -- and -- and let's get them correct. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I did not say that the Arizona law was a model for the nation in that aspect. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I said that the E-Verify portion of the Arizona law, which is -- which is the portion of the law which says that employers could be able to determine whether someone is here illegally or not illegally, that that was a model for the nation. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| That's number one. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Number two, I asked the president a question I think Hispanics and immigrants all over the nation have asked. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| He was asked this on Univision the other day. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Why, when you said you'd filed legislation in your first year didn't you do it? | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And he didn't answer. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| He -- he doesn't answer that question. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| He said the standard bearer wasn't for it. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I'm glad you thought I was a standard bearer four years ago, but I wasn't. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Four years ago you said in your first year you would file legislation. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| In his first year, I was just getting -- licking my wounds from having been beaten by John McCain, all right. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I was not the standard bearer. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| My -- my view is that this president should have honored his promise to do as he said. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Now, let me mention one other thing, and that is self-deportation says let people make their own choice. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| What I was saying is, we're not going to round up 12 million people, undocumented illegals, and take them out of the nation. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Instead let people make their own choice. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And if they -- if they find that -- that they can't get the benefits here that they want and they can't -- and they can't find the job they want, then they'll make a decision to go a place where -- where they have better opportunities. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| But I'm not in favor of rounding up people and -- and -- and taking them out of this country. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I am in favor, as the president has said, and I agree with him, which is that if people have committed crimes we got to get them out of this country. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Let me mention something else the president said. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| It was a moment ago and I didn't get a chance to, when he was describing Chinese investments and so forth. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Candy? | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Hold on a second. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| The... | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Mr. President, I'm still speaking. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| (CROSSTALK) | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Mr. President, let me finish. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| (CROSSTALK) | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I've gotta continue. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| (CROSSTALK) | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Governor Romney, you can make it short. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| See all these people? | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| They've been waiting for you. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| (inaudible) make it short (inaudible). | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Just going to make a point. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Any investments I have over the last eight years have been managed by a blind trust. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And I understand they do include investments outside the United States, including in -- in Chinese companies. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Mr. President, have you looked at your pension? | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Have you looked at your pension? | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I've got to say... | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Mr. President, have you looked at your pension? | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| You know, I -- I don't look at my pension. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| It's not as big as yours so it doesn't take as long. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Well, let me give you some advice. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I don't check it that often. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Let me give you some advice. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Look at your pension. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| You also have investments in Chinese companies. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| You also have investments outside the United States. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| You also have investments through a Cayman's trust. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| (CROSSTALK) | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| We're way off topic here, Governor Romney. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| (CROSSTALK) | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I thought we were talking about immigration. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| (CROSSTALK) | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I do want to make sure that... | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| If I could have you sit down, Governor Romney. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Thank you. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I do want to make sure that -- I do want to make sure that we just understand something. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Governor Romney says he wasn't referring to Arizona as a model for the nation. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| His top adviser on immigration is the guy who designed the Arizona law, the entirety of it; not E-Verify, the whole thing. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| That's his policy. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And it's a bad policy. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And it won't help us grow. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Look, when we think about immigration, we have to understand there are folks all around the world who still see America as the land of promise. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And they provide us energy and they provide us innovation and they start companies like Intel and Google. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And we want to encourage that. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Now, we've got to make sure that we do it in a smart way and a comprehensive way, and we make the legal system better. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| But when we make this into a divisive political issue, and when we don't have bipartisan support -- I can deliver, Governor, a whole bunch of Democrats to get comprehensive immigration reform done, and we can't... | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I'll get it done. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I'll get it done. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | NaN | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| First year... | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| ... we can't -- we have not seen Republicans serious about this issue at all. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And it's time for them to get serious on it. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Mr. President, let me move you on here please. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Mr. President, (inaudible). | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| This used to be a bipartisan issue. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| (CROSSTALK) | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Don't go away, though -- right. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Don't go away because I -- I want you to talk to Kerry Ladka who wants to switch the topic for us. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| OK. Hi, Kerry. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Good evening, Mr. President. | QUESTION | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I'm sorry. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| What's your name? | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| It's Kerry, Kerry Ladka. | QUESTION | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Great to see you. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| This question actually comes from a brain trust of my friends at Global Telecom Supply (ph) in Minneola yesterday. | QUESTION | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Ah. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| We were sitting around, talking about Libya, and we were reading and became aware of reports that the State Department refused extra security for our embassy in Benghazi, Libya, prior to the attacks that killed four Americans. | QUESTION | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Who was it that denied enhanced security and why? | QUESTION | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Well, let me first of all talk about our diplomats, because they serve all around the world and do an incredible job in a very dangerous situation. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And these aren't just representatives of the United States, they are my representatives. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I send them there, oftentimes into harm's way. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I know these folks and I know their families. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| So nobody is more concerned about their safety and security than I am. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| So as soon as we found out that the Benghazi consulate was being overrun, I was on the phone with my national security team and I gave them three instructions. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Number one, beef up our security and procedures, not just in Libya, but at every embassy and consulate in the region. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Number two, investigate exactly what happened, regardless of where the facts lead us, to make sure folks are held accountable and it doesn't happen again. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And number three, we are going to find out who did this and we're going to hunt them down, because one of the things that I've said throughout my presidency is when folks mess with Americans, we go after them. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Now Governor Romney had a very different response. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| While we were still dealing with our diplomats being threatened, Governor Romney put out a press release, trying to make political points, and that's not how a commander in chief operates. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| You don't turn national security into a political issue. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Certainly not right when it's happening. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And people -- not everybody agrees with some of the decisions I've made. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| But when it comes to our national security, I mean what I say. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I said I'd end the war in Libya -- in -- in Iraq, and I did. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I said that we'd go after al-Qaeda and bin Laden, we have. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I said we'd transition out of Afghanistan, and start making sure that Afghans are responsible for their own security, that's what I'm doing. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And when it comes to this issue, when I say that we are going to find out exactly what happened, everybody will be held accountable. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And I am ultimately responsible for what's taking place there because these are my folks, and I'm the one who has to greet those coffins when they come home. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| You know that I mean what I say. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Mr. President, I'm going to move us along. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Governor? | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Thank you Kerry for your question, it's an important one. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And -- and I -- I think the president just said correctly that the buck does stop at his desk and -- and he takes responsibility for -- for that -- for the failure in providing those security resources, and -- and those terrible things may well happen from time to time. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I -- I'm -- I feel very deeply sympathetic for the families of those who lost loved ones. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And today there's a memorial service for one of those that was lost in this tragedy. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| We -- we think of their families and care for them deeply. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| There were other issues associated with this -- with this tragedy. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| There were many days that passed before we knew whether this was a spontaneous demonstration, or actually whether it was a terrorist attack. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And there was no demonstration involved. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| It was a terrorist attack and it took a long time for that to be told to the American people. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Whether there was some misleading, or instead whether we just didn't know what happened, you have to ask yourself why didn't we know five days later when the ambassador to the United Nations went on TV to say that this was a demonstration. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| How could we have not known? | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| But I find more troubling than this, that on -- on the day following the assassination of the United States ambassador, the first time that's happened since 1979, when -- when we have four Americans killed there, when apparently we didn't know what happened, that the president, the day after that happened, flies to Las Vegas for a political fund-raiser, then the next day to Colorado for another event, other political event. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I think these -- these actions taken by a president and a leader have symbolic significance and perhaps even material significance in that you'd hope that during that time we could call in the people who were actually eyewitnesses. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| We've read their accounts now about what happened. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| It was very clear this was not a demonstration. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| This was an attack by terrorists. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And this calls into question the president's whole policy in the Middle East. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Look what's happening in Syria, in Egypt, now in Libya. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Consider the distance between ourselves and -- and Israel, the president said that -- that he was going to put daylight between us and Israel. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| We have Iran four years closer to a nuclear bomb. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Syria -- Syria's not just a tragedy of 30,000 civilians being killed by a military, but also a strategic -- strategically significant player for America. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| The president's policies throughout the Middle East began with an apology tour and -- and -- and pursue a strategy of leading from behind, and this strategy is unraveling before our very eyes. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Because we're -- we're closing in, I want to still get a lot of people in. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I want to ask you something, Mr. President, and then have the governor just quickly. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Your secretary of state, as I'm sure you know, has said that she takes full responsibility for the attack on the diplomatic mission in Benghazi. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Does the buck stop with your secretary of state as far as what went on here? | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Secretary Clinton has done an extraordinary job. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| But she works for me. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I'm the president and I'm always responsible, and that's why nobody's more interested in finding out exactly what happened than I do. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| The day after the attack, governor, I stood in the Rose Garden and I told the American people in the world that we are going to find out exactly what happened. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| That this was an act of terror and I also said that we're going to hunt down those who committed this crime. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And then a few days later, I was there greeting the caskets coming into Andrews Air Force Base and grieving with the families. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And the suggestion that anybody in my team, whether the Secretary of State, our U.N. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Ambassador, anybody on my team would play politics or mislead when we've lost four of our own, governor, is offensive. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| That's not what we do. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| That's not what I do as president, that's not what I do as Commander in Chief. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Governor, if you want to... | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Yes, I -- I... | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| ... quickly to this please. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I -- I think interesting the president just said something which -- which is that on the day after the attack he went into the Rose Garden and said that this was an act of terror. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| That's what I said. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| You said in the Rose Garden the day after the attack, it was an act of terror. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| It was not a spontaneous demonstration, is that what you're saying? | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Please proceed governor. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I want to make sure we get that for the record because it took the president 14 days before he called the attack in Benghazi an act of terror. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Get the transcript. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| It -- it -- it -- he did in fact, sir. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| So let me -- let me call it an act of terror... | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Can you say that a little louder, Candy? | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| He -- he did call it an act of terror. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| It did as well take -- it did as well take two weeks or so for the whole idea there being a riot out there about this tape to come out. | Candy Crowley | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| You are correct about that. | Candy Crowley | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| This -- the administration -- the administration indicated this was a reaction to a video and was a spontaneous reaction. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| It did. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| It took them a long time to say this was a terrorist act by a terrorist group. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And to suggest -- am I incorrect in that regard, on Sunday, the -- your secretary -- | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Candy? | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Excuse me. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| The ambassador of the United Nations went on the Sunday television shows and spoke about how -- | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Candy, I'm -- | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| -- this was a spontaneous -- | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Mr. President, let me -- | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I'm happy to have a longer conversation -- | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I know you -- | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| -- about foreign policy. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Absolutely. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| But I want to -- I want to move you on and also -- | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| OK. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I'm happy to do that, too. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| -- the transcripts and -- | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I just want to make sure that -- | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| -- figure out what we -- | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| -- all of these wonderful folks are going to have a chance to get some of their questions answered. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Because what I -- what I want to do, Mr. President, stand there a second, because I want to introduce you to Nina Gonzalez, who brought up a question that we hear a lot, both over the Internet and from this crowd. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| President Obama, during the Democratic National Convention in 2008, you stated you wanted to keep AK-47s out of the hands of criminals. | QUESTION | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| What has your administration done or planned to do to limit the availability of assault weapons? | QUESTION | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| We're a nation that believes in the Second Amendment, and I believe in the Second Amendment. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| We've got a long tradition of hunting and sportsmen and people who want to make sure they can protect themselves. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| But there have been too many instances during the course of my presidency, where I've had to comfort families who have lost somebody. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Most recently out in Aurora. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| You know, just a couple of weeks ago, actually, probably about a month, I saw a mother, who I had met at the bedside of her son, who had been shot in that theater. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And her son had been shot through the head. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And we spent some time, and we said a prayer and, remarkably, about two months later, this young man and his mom showed up, and he looked unbelievable, good as new. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| But there were a lot of families who didn't have that good fortune and whose sons or daughters or husbands didn't survive. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| So my belief is that, (A), we have to enforce the laws we've already got, make sure that we're keeping guns out of the hands of criminals, those who are mentally ill. We've done a much better job in terms of background checks, but we've got more to do when it comes to enforcement. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| But I also share your belief that weapons that were designed for soldiers in war theaters don't belong on our streets. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And so what I'm trying to do is to get a broader conversation about how do we reduce the violence generally. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Part of it is seeing if we can get an assault weapons ban reintroduced. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| But part of it is also looking at other sources of the violence. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Because frankly, in my home town of Chicago, there's an awful lot of violence and they're not using AK-47s. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| They're using cheap hand guns. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And so what can we do to intervene, to make sure that young people have opportunity; that our schools are working; that if there's violence on the streets, that working with faith groups and law enforcement, we can catch it before it gets out of control. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And so what I want is a -- is a comprehensive strategy. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Part of it is seeing if we can get automatic weapons that kill folks in amazing numbers out of the hands of criminals and the mentally ill. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| But part of it is also going deeper and seeing if we can get into these communities and making sure we catch violent impulses before they occur. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Governor Romney, the question is about assault weapons, AK-47s. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Yeah, I'm not in favor of new pieces of legislation on -- on guns and taking guns away or making certain guns illegal. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| We, of course, don't want to have automatic weapons, and that's already illegal in this country to have automatic weapons. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| What I believe is we have to do, as the president mentioned towards the end of his remarks there, which is to make enormous efforts to enforce the gun laws that we have, and to change the culture of violence that we have. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And you ask how -- how are we going to do that? | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And there are a number of things. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| He mentioned good schools. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I totally agree. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| We were able to drive our schools to be number one in the nation in my state. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And I believe if we do a better job in education, we'll -- we'll give people the -- the hope and opportunity they deserve and perhaps less violence from that. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| But let me mention another thing. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And that is parents. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| We need moms and dads, helping to raise kids. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Wherever possible the -- the benefit of having two parents in the home, and that's not always possible. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| A lot of great single moms, single dads. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| But gosh to tell our kids that before they have babies, they ought to think about getting married to someone, that's a great idea. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Because if there's a two parent family, the prospect of living in poverty goes down dramatically. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| The opportunities that the child will -- will be able to achieve increase dramatically. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| So we can make changes in the way our culture works to help bring people away from violence and give them opportunity, and bring them in the American system. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| The -- the greatest failure we've had with regards to -- to gun violence in some respects is what -- what is known as Fast and Furious. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Which was a program under this administration, and how it worked exactly I think we don't know precisely, where thousands of automatic, and AK-47 type weapons were -- were given to people that ultimately gave them to -- to drug lords. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| They used those weapons against -- against their own citizens and killed Americans with them. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And this was a -- this was a program of the government. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| For what purpose it was put in place, I can't imagine. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| But it's one of the great tragedies related to violence in our society which has occurred during this administration. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Which I think the American people would like to understand fully, it's been investigated to a degree, but -- but the administration has carried out executive privilege to prevent all of the information from coming out. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I'd like to understand who it was that did this, what the idea was behind it, why it led to the violence, thousands of guns going to Mexican drug lords. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Candy? | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Governor, Governor, if I could, the question was about these assault weapons that once were once banned and are no longer banned. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I know that you signed an assault weapons ban when you were in Massachusetts, obviously, with this question, you no longer do support that. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Why is that, given the kind of violence that we see sometimes with these mass killings? | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Why is it that you have changed your mind? | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Well, Candy, actually, in my state, the pro-gun folks and the anti-gun folks came together and put together a piece of legislation. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And it's referred to as an assault weapon ban, but it had, at the signing of the bill, both the pro-gun and the anti-gun people came together, because it provided opportunities for both that both wanted. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| There were hunting opportunities, for instance, that haven't previously been available and so forth, so it was a mutually agreed- upon piece of legislation. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| That's what we need more of, Candy. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| What we have right now in Washington is a place that's gridlocked. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| So I could -- if you could get people to agree to it, you would be for it? | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| We have -- | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Candy? | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| -- we haven't had the leadership in Washington to work on a bipartisan basis. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I was able to do that in my state and bring these two together. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Quickly, Mr. President. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| The -- first of all, I think Governor Romney was for an assault weapons ban before he was against it. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And he said that the reason he changed his mind was, in part, because he was seeking the endorsement of the National Rifle Association. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| So that's on the record. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| But I think that one area we agree on is the important of parents and the importance of schools, because I do believe that if our young people have opportunity, then they are less likely to engage in these kinds of violent acts. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| We're not going to eliminate everybody who is mentally disturbed and we have got to make sure they don't get weapons. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| But we can make a difference in terms ensuring that every young person in America, regardless of where they come from, what they look like, have a chance to succeed. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And, Candy, we haven't had a chance to talk about education much, but I think it is very important to understand that the reforms we've put in place, working with 46 governors around the country, are seeing schools that are some of the ones that are the toughest for kids starting to succeed. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| We're starting to see gains in math and science. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| When it comes to community colleges, we are setting up programs, including with Nassau Community College, to retrain workers, including young people who may have dropped out of school but now are getting another chance, training them for the jobs that exist right now. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And in fact, employers are looking for skilled workers. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And so we're matching them up. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Giving them access to higher education. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| As I said, we have made sure that millions of young people are able to get an education that they weren't able to get before. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Now... | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Mr. President, I have to -- I have to move you along here. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| You said you wanted to... (CROSSTALK) | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| We need to do it here. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| But -- but it'll -- it'll -- it'll be... (CROSSTALK) | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| ... just one second. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| One... | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Because -- because this is important. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| This is part of the choice in this election. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| When Governor Romney was asked whether teachers, hiring more teachers was important to growing our economy, Governor Romney said that doesn't grow our economy. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| When -- when he was asked would class size... (CROSSTALK) | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| The question, Mr. President, was guns here, so I need to move us along. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I understand. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| You know, the question was guns. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| So let me -- let me bring in another... | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| But this will make a difference in terms of whether or not we can move this economy forward for these young people... | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I understand. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| ... and reduce our violence. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| OK. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Thank you so much. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I want to ask Carol Goldberg to stand up, because she gets to a question that both these men have been passionate about. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| It's for Governor Romney. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| The outsourcing of American jobs overseas has taken a toll on our economy. | QUESTION | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| What plans do you have to put back and keep jobs here in the United States? | QUESTION | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Boy, great question and important question, because you're absolutely right. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| The place where we've seen manufacturing go has been China. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| China is now the largest manufacturer in the world. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| It used to be the United States of America. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| A lot of good people have lost jobs. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| A half a million manufacturing jobs have been lost in the last four years. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| That's total over the last four years. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| One of the reasons for that is that people think it's more attractive in some cases to go offshore than to stay here. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| We have made it less attractive for enterprises to stay here than to go offshore from time to time. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| What I will do as president is make sure it's more attractive to come to America again. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| This is the way we're going to create jobs in this country. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| It's not by trickle-down government, saying we're going to take more money from people and hire more government workers, raise more taxes, put in place more regulations. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Trickle-down government has never worked here, has never worked anywhere. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I want to make America the most attractive place in the world for entrepreneurs, for small business, for big business, to invest and grow in America. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Now, we're going to have to make sure that as we trade with other nations that they play by the rules. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And China hasn't. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| One of the reasons -- or one of the ways they don't play by the rules is artificially holding down the value of their currency. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Because if they put their currency down low, that means their prices on their goods are low. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And that makes them advantageous in the marketplace. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| We lose sales. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And manufacturers here in the U.S. making the same products can't compete. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| China has been a currency manipulator for years and years and years. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And the president has a regular opportunity to label them as a currency manipulator, but refuses to do so. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| On day one, I will label China a currency manipulator, which will allow me as president to be able to put in place, if necessary, tariffs where I believe that they are taking unfair advantage of our manufacturers. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| So we're going to make sure that people we trade with around the world play by the rules. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| But let me -- let me not just stop there. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Don't forget, what's key to bringing back jobs here is not just finding someone else to punish, and I'm going to be strict with people who we trade with to make sure they -- they follow the law and play by the rules, but it's also to make America the most attractive place in the world for businesses of all kinds. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| That's why I want to down the tax rates on small employers, big employers, so they want to be here. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Canada's tax rate on companies is now 15 percent. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Ours is 35 percent. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| So if you're starting a business, where would you rather start it? | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| We have to be competitive if we're going to create more jobs here. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Regulations have quadrupled. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| The rate of regulations quadrupled under this president. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I talk to small businesses across the country. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| They say, "We feel like we're under attack from our own government." | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I want to make sure that regulators see their job as encouraging small business, not crushing it. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And there's no question but that Obamacare has been an extraordinary deterrent to enterprises of all kinds hiring people. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| My priority is making sure that we get more people hired. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| If we have more people hired, if we get back manufacturing jobs, if we get back all kinds of jobs into this country, then you're going to see rising incomes again. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| The reason incomes are down is because unemployment is so high. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I know what it takes to get this to happen, and my plan will do that, and one part of it is to make sure that we keep China playing by the rules. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Mr. President, two minutes here, because we are then going to go to our last question. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| OK. We need to create jobs here. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And both Governor Romney and I agree actually that we should lower our corporate tax rate. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| It's too high. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| But there's a difference in terms of how we would do it. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I want to close loopholes that allow companies to deduct expenses when they move to China; that allow them to profit offshore and not have to get taxed, so they have tax advantages offshore. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| All those changes in our tax code would make a difference. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Now, Governor Romney actually wants to expand those tax breaks. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| One of his big ideas when it comes to corporate tax reform would be to say, if you invest overseas, you make profits overseas, you don't have to pay U.S. taxes. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| But, of course, if you're a small business or a mom-and-pop business or a big business starting up here, you've got to pay even the reduced rate that Governor Romney's talking about. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And it's estimated that that will create 800,000 new jobs. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| The problem is they'll be in china. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Or India. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Or Germany. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| That's not the way we're going to create jobs here. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| The way we're going to create jobs here is not just to change our tax code, but also to double our exports. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And we are on pace to double our exports, one of the commitments I made when I was president. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| That's creating tens of thousands of jobs all across the country. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| That's why we've kept on pushing trade deals, but trade deals that make sure that American workers and American businesses are getting a good deal. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Now, Governor Romney talked about China, as I already indicated. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| In the private sector, Governor Romney's company invested in what were called pioneers of outsourcing. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| That's not my phrase. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| That's what reporters called it. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And as far as currency manipulation, the currency has actually gone up 11 percent since I've been president because we have pushed them hard. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And we've put unprecedented trade pressure on China. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| That's why exports have significantly increased under my presidency. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| That's going to help to create jobs here. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Mr. President, we have a really short time for a quick discussion here. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| iPad, the Macs, the iPhones, they are all manufactured in China. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| One of the major reasons is labor is so much cheaper here. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| How do you convince a great American company to bring that manufacturing back here? | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| The answer is very straightforward. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| We can compete with anyone in the world as long as the playing field is level. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| China's been cheating over the years. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| One by holding down the value of their currency. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Number two, by stealing our intellectual property; our designs, our patents, our technology. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| There's even an Apple store in China that's a counterfeit Apple store, selling counterfeit goods. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| They hack into our computers. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| We will have to have people play on a fair basis, that's number one. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Number two, we have to make America the most attractive place for entrepreneurs, for people who want to expand their business. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| That's what brings jobs in. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| The president's characterization of my tax plan... (CROSSTALK) | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| ...is completely...is completely... (CROSSTALK) | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| ...is completely false. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Let me tell you... | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Let me to go the president here because we really are running out of time. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And the question is can we ever get -- we can't get wages like that. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| It can't be sustained. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Candy, there are some jobs that are not going to come back. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Because they are low wage, low skill jobs. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I want high wage, high skill jobs. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| That's why we have to emphasize manufacturing. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| That's why we have to invest in advanced manufacturing. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| That's why we've got to make sure that we've got the best science and research in the world. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And when we talk about deficits, if we're adding to our deficit for tax cuts for folks who don't need them, and we're cutting investments in research and science that will create the next Apple, create the next new innovation that will sell products around the world, we will lose that race. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| If we're not training engineers to make sure that they are equipped here in this country. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Then companies won't come here. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Those investments are what's going to help to make sure that we continue to lead this world economy, not just next year, but 10 years from now, 50 years from now, 100 years from now. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Thanks Mr. President. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| (CROSSTALK) | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Governor Romney? | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Government does not create jobs. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Government does not create jobs. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | NaN | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Governor Romney, I want to introduce you to Barry Green, because he's going to have the last question to you first? | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Barry? | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Where is Barry? | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Hi, Governor. | QUESTION | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I think this is a tough question. | QUESTION | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| To each of you. | QUESTION | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| What do you believe is the biggest misperception that the American people have about you as a man and a candidate? | QUESTION | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Using specific examples, can you take this opportunity to debunk that misperception and set us straight? | QUESTION | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Thank you, and that's an opportunity for me, and I appreciate it. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| In the nature of a campaign, it seems that some campaigns are focused on attacking a person rather than prescribing their own future and the things they'd like to do. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| In the course of that, I think the president's campaign has tried to characterize me as -- as someone who's very different than who I am. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I care about 100 percent of the American people. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I want 100 percent of the American people to have a bright and prosperous future. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I care about our kids. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I understand what it takes to make a bright and prosperous future for America again. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I spent my life in the private sector, not in government. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I'm a guy who wants to help with the experience I have, the American people. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| My -- my passion probably flows from the fact that I believe in God. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And I believe we're all children of the same God. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I believe we have a responsibility to care for one another. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I -- I served as a missionary for my church. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I served as a pastor in my congregation for about 10 years. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I've sat across the table from people who were out of work and worked with them to try and find new work or to help them through tough times. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I went to the Olympics when they were in trouble to try and get them on track. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And as governor of my state, I was able to get 100 percent of my people insured, all my kids, about 98 percent of the adults. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I was able also to get our schools ranked number one in the nation, so 100 percent of our kids would have a bright opportunity for a future. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I understand that I can get this country on track again. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| We don't have to settle for what we're going through. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| We don't have to settle for gasoline at four bucks. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| We don't have to settle for unemployment at a chronically high level. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| We don't have to settle for 47 million people on food stamps. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| We don't have to settle for 50 percent of kids coming out of college not able to get work. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| We don't have to settle for 23 million people struggling to find a good job. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| If I become president, I'll get America working again. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I will get us on track to a balanced budget. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| The president hasn't. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I will. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I'll make sure we can reform Medicare and Social Security to preserve them for coming -- coming generations. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| The president said he would. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| He didn't. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Governor... | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I'll get our incomes up. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And by the way, I've done these things. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I served as governor and showed I could get them done. | Willard(Mitt) M. Romney | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Mr. President, last two minutes belong to you. | Candy Crowley | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Barry, I think a lot of this campaign, maybe over the last four years, has been devoted to this nation that I think government creates jobs, that that somehow is the answer. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| That's not what I believe. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I believe that the free enterprise system is the greatest engine of prosperity the world's ever known. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I believe in self-reliance and individual initiative and risk takers being rewarded. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| But I also believe that everybody should have a fair shot and everybody should do their fair share and everybody should play by the same rules, because that's how our economy's grown. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| That's how we built the world's greatest middle class. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And -- and that is part of what's at stake in this election. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| There's a fundamentally different vision about how we move our country forward. | Barack H. Obama | O | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| I believe Governor Romney is a good man. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Loves his family, cares about his faith. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| But I also believe that when he said behind closed doors that 47 percent of the country considered themselves victims who refuse personal responsibility, think about who he was talking about. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Folks on Social Security who've worked all their lives. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Veterans who've sacrificed for this country. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Students who are out there trying to hopefully advance their own dreams, but also this country's dreams. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Soldiers who are overseas fighting for us right now. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| People who are working hard every day, paying payroll tax, gas taxes, but don't make enough income. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And I want to fight for them. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| That's what I've been doing for the last four years. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Because if they succeed, I believe the country succeeds. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| When my grandfather fought in World War II and he came back and he got a G.I. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Bill and that allowed him to go to college, that wasn't a handout. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| That was something that advanced the entire country. | Barack H. Obama | Premise | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| And I want to make sure that the next generation has those same opportunities. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| That's why I'm asking for your vote and that's why I'm asking for another four years. | Barack H. Obama | Claim | 2012 | 16 Oct 2012 |
| Good evening, and welcome to the first and only vice presidential debate of 2012, sponsored by the Commission on Presidential Debates. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| I'm Martha Raddatz of ABC News, and I am honored to moderate this debate between two men who have dedicated much of their lives to public service. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Tonight's debate is divided between domestic and foreign policy issues. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And I'm going to move back and forth between foreign and domestic, since that is what a vice president or president would have to do. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We will have nine different segments. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| At the beginning of each segment, I will ask both candidates a question, and they will each have two minutes to answer. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Then I will encourage a discussion between the candidates with follow-up questions. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| By coin toss, it has been determined that Vice President Biden will be first to answer the opening question. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We have a wonderful audience here at Centre College tonight. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| You will no doubt hear their enthusiasm at the end of the debate -- and right now, as we welcome Vice President Joe Biden and Congressman Paul Ryan. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| (APPLAUSE) OK, you got your little wave to the families in. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| It's great. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Good evening, gentlemen. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| It really is an honor to be here with both of you. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| I would like to begin with Libya. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| On a rather somber note, one month ago tonight, on the anniversary of 9/11, Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other brave Americans were killed in a terrorist attack in Benghazi. | Martha Raddatz | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| The State Department has now made clear, there were no protesters there. | Martha Raddatz | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| it was a pre-planned assault by heavily armed men. | Martha Raddatz | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Wasn't this a massive intelligence failure, Vice President Biden? | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| What is was, it was a tragedy, Martha. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| It -- Chris Stevens was one of our best. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We lost three other brave Americans. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| I can make absolutely two commitments to you and all the American people tonight. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| One, we will find and bring to justice the men who did this. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And secondly, we will get to the bottom of it, and whatever -- wherever the facts lead us, wherever they lead us, we will make clear to the American public, because whatever mistakes were made will not be made again. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| When you're looking at a president, Martha, it seems to me that you should take a look at his most important responsibility. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| That's caring for the national security of the country. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And the best way to do that is take a look at how he's handled the issues of the day. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| On Iraq, the president said he would end the war. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Governor Romney said that was a tragic mistake, we should have left 30,000 -- he ended it. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Governor Romney said that was a tragic mistake, we should have left 30,000 troops there. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| With regard to Afghanistan, he said he will end the war in 2014. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Governor Romney said we should not set a date, number one. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And number two, with regard to 2014, it depends. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| When it came to Osama bin Laden, the president the first day in office, I was sitting with him in the Oval Office, he called in the CIA and signed an order saying, "My highest priority is to get bin Laden." | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Prior to the election, prior to the -- him being sworn in, Governor Romney was asked the question about how he would proceed. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| He said, "I wouldn't move heaven and earth to get bin Laden." | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| He didn't understand it was more than about taking a murderer off the battlefield. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| It was about restoring America's heart and letting terrorists around the world know, if you do harm to America, we will track you to the gates of hell if need be. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And lastly, the president of the United States has -- has led with a steady hand and clear vision. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Governor Romney, the opposite. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| The last thing we need now is another war. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Congressman Ryan? | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We mourn the loss of these four Americans who were murdered. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| When you take a look at what has happened just in the last few weeks, they sent the U.N. ambassador out to say that this was because of a protest and a YouTube video. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| It took the president two weeks to acknowledge that this was a terrorist attack. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| He went to the U.N. and in his speech at the U.N. he said six times -- he talked about the YouTube video. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Look, if we're hit by terrorists we're going to call it for what it is, a terrorist attack. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Our ambassador in Paris has a Marine detachment guarding him. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Shouldn't we have a Marine detachment guarding our ambassador in Benghazi, a place where we knew that there was an Al Qaida cell with arms? | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| This is becoming more troubling by the day. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| They first blamed the YouTube video. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Now they're trying to blame the Romney-Ryan ticket for making this an issue. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| With respect to Iraq, we had the same position before the withdrawal, which was we agreed with the Obama administration. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Let's have a status of forces agreement to make sure that we secure our gains. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| The vice president was put in charge of those negotiations by President Obama and they failed to get the agreement. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We don't have a status of forces agreement because they failed to get one. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| That's what we are talking about. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Now, when it comes to our veterans, we owe them a great debt of gratitude for what they've done for us, including your son Beau. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| But we also want to make sure that we don't lose the things we fought so hard to get. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Now, with respect to Afghanistan, the 2014 deadline, we agree with a 2014 transition. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| But what we also want it do is make sure that we're not projecting weakness abroad, and that's what's happening here. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| This Benghazi issue would be a tragedy in and of itself, but unfortunately it's indicative of a broader problem. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And that is what we are watching on our TV screens is the unraveling of the Obama foreign policy, which is making the (inaudible) more chaotic us less safe. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| I just want to you about right in the middle of the crisis. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Governor Romney, and you're talking about this again tonight, talked about the weakness; talked about apologies from the Obama administration. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Was that really appropriate right in the middle of the crisis? | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| On that same day, the Obama administration had the exact same position. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Let's recall that they disavowed their own statement that they had put out earlier in the day in Cairo. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| So we had the same position, but we will -- it's never too early to speak out for our values. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We should have spoken out right away when the green revolution was up and starting; when the mullahs in Iran were attacking their people. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We should not have called Bashar Assad a reformer when he was turning his Russian-provided guns on his own people. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We should always stand up for peace, for democracy, for individual rights. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And we should not be imposing these devastating defense cuts, because what that does when we equivocate on our values, when we show that we're cutting down on defense, it makes us more weak. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| It projects weakness. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And when we look weak, our adversaries are much more willing to test us. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| They're more brazen in their attacks, and are allies are less willing to... (CROSSTALK) | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| With all due respect, that's a bunch of malarkey. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And why is that so? | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Because not a single thing he said is accurate. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| First of all... | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Be specific. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| I will be very specific. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Number one, the -- this lecture on embassy security -- the congressman here cut embassy security in his budget by $300 million below what we asked for, number one. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| So much for the embassy security piece. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Number two, Governor Romney, before he knew the facts, before he even knew that our ambassador was killed, he was out making a political statement which was panned by the media around the world. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And this talk about this -- this weakness. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| I -- I don't understand what my friend's talking about here. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We -- this is a president who's gone out and done everything he has said he was going to do. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| This is a guy who's repaired our alliances so the rest of the world follows us again. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| This is the guy who brought the entire world, including Russia and China, to bring about the most devastating -- most devastating -- the most devastating efforts on Iran to make sure that they in fact stop (inaudible). | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Look, I -- I just -- I mean, these guys bet against America all the time. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Can we talk -- let me go back to Libya. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Yeah, sure. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| What were you first told about the attack? | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Why -- why were people talking about protests? | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| When people in the consulate first saw armed men attacking with guns, there were no protesters. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Why did that go on (inaudible)? | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Because that was exactly what we were told by the intelligence community. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| The intelligence community told us that. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| As they learned more facts about exactly what happened, they changed their assessment. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| That's why there's also an investigation headed by Tom Pickering, a leading diplomat from the Reagan years, who is doing an investigation as to whether or not there are any lapses, what the lapses were, so that they will never happen again. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And they wanted more security there. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Well, we weren't told they wanted more security there. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We did not know they wanted more security again. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And by the way, at the time we were told exactly -- we said exactly what the intelligence community told us that they knew. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| That was the assessment. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And as the intelligence community changed their view, we made it clear they changed their view. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| That's why I said we will get to the bottom of this. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| You know, usually when there's a crisis, we pull together. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We pull together as a nation. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| But as I said, even before we knew what happened to the ambassador, the governor was holding a press conference -- was holding a press conference. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| That's not presidential leadership. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Mr. Ryan, I want to ask you about -- the Romney campaign talks a lot about no apologies. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| He has a book called called "No Apologies." | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Should the U.S. have apologized for Americans burning Korans in Afghanistan? | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Should the U.S. apologize for U.S. Marines urinating on Taliban corpses? | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Oh, gosh, yes. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Urinating on Taliban corpses? | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| What we should not apologize for... | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Burning Korans, immediately? | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| What -- what we should not be apologizing for are standing up for our values. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| What we should not be doing is saying to the Egyptian people, while Mubarak is cracking down on them, that he's a good guy and, in the next week, say he ought to go. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| What we should not be doing is rejecting claims for -- for calls for more security in our barracks, in our Marine -- we need Marines in Benghazi when the commander on the ground says we need more forces for security. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| There were requests for extra security; those requests were not honored. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Look, this was the anniversary of 9/11. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| It was Libya, a country we knew we had Al Qaida cells there, as we know Al Qaida and its affiliates are on the rise in Northern Africa. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And we did not give our ambassador in Benghazi a Marine detachment? | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Of course there's an investigation, so we can make sure that this never happens again, but when it comes to speaking up for our values, we should not apologize for those. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Here's the problem. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Look at all the various issues out there, and it's unraveling before our eyes. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| The vice president talks about sanctions on Iran. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| They got -- we've had four... | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Let's move to Iran. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| I'd actually like to move to Iran, because there's really no bigger national security... | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Absolutely. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| ... this country is facing. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Both President Obama and Governor Romney have said they will prevent Iran from getting a nuclear weapon, even if that means military action. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Last week, former Defense Secretary Bob Gates said a strike on Iran's facilities would not work and, quote, "could prove catastrophic, haunting us for generations." | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Can the two of you be absolutely clear and specific to the American people how effective would a military strike be? | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Congressman Ryan? | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We cannot allow Iran to gain a nuclear weapons capability. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Now, let's take a look at where we've gone -- come from. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| When Barack Obama was elected, they had enough fissile material -- nuclear material to make one bomb. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Now they have enough for five. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| They're racing toward a nuclear weapon. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| They're four years closer toward a nuclear weapons capability. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We've had four different sanctions, the U.N. on Iran, three from the Bush administration, one here. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And the only reason we got it is because Russia watered it down and prevented the -- the sanctions from hitting the central bank. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Mitt Romney proposed these sanctions in 2007. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| In Congress, I've been fighting for these sanctions since 2009. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| The administration was blocking us every step of the way. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Only because we had strong bipartisan support for these tough sanctions were we able to overrule their objections and put them in spite of the administration. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Imagine what would have happened if we had these sanctions in place earlier. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| You think Iran's not brazen? | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Look at what they're doing. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| They're stepping up their terrorist attacks. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| They tried a terrorist attack in the United States last year when they tried to blow up the Saudi ambassador at a restaurant in Washington, D.C. And talk about credibility? | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| When this administration says that all options are on the table, they send out senior administration officials that send all these mixed signals. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And so, in order to solve this peacefully -- which is everybody's goal -- you have to have the ayatollahs change their minds. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Look at where they are. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| They're moving faster toward a nuclear weapon. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| It's because this administration has no credibility on this issue. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| It's because this administration watered down sanctions, delayed sanctions, tried to stop us for putting the tough sanctions in place. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Now we have them in place because of Congress. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| They say the military option's on the table, but it's not being viewed as credible. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And the key is to do this peacefully, is to make sure that we have credibility. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Under a Romney administration, we will have credibility on this issue. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Vice President Biden? | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| It's incredible. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Look, imagine had we let the Republican Congress work out the sanctions. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| You think there's any possibility the entire world would have joined us, Russia and China, all of our allies? | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| These are the most crippling sanctions in the history of sanctions, period. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Period. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| When Governor Romney's asked about it, he said, "We gotta keep these sanctions." | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| When he said, "Well, you're talking about doing more," what are you -- you're going to go to war? | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Is that what you want to do? | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We want to prevent war. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And the interesting thing is, how are they going to prevent war? | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| How are they going to prevent war if they say there's nothing more that we -- that they say we should do than what we've already done, number one. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And number two, with regard to the ability of the United States to take action militarily, it is -- it is not in my purview to talk about classified information. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| But we feel quite confident we could deal a serious blow to the Iranians. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| But number two, the Iranians are -- the Israelis and the United States, our military and intelligence communities are absolutely the same exact place in terms of how close -- how close the Iranians are to getting a nuclear weapon. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| They are a good way away. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| There is no difference between our view and theirs. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| When my friend talks about fissile material, they have to take this highly enriched uranium, get it from 20 percent up, then they have to be able to have something to put it in. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| There is no weapon that the Iranians have at this point. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Both the Israelis and we know -- we'll know if they start the process of building a weapon. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| So all this bluster I keep hearing, all this loose talk, what are they talking about? | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Are you talking about, to be more credible -- what more can the president do, stand before the United Nations, tell the whole world, directly communicate to the ayatollah, we will not let them acquire a nuclear weapon, period, unless he's talking about going to war. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Martha? | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Let's... | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Congressman Ryan? | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Let's look at this from the view of the ayatollahs. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| What do they see? | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| They see this administration trying to water down sanctions in Congress for over two years. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| They're moving faster toward a nuclear weapon. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| They're spinning the centrifuges faster. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| They see us saying when we come into the administration, when they're sworn in, we need more space with our ally, Israel. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| They see President Obama in New York City the same day Bibi Netanyahu is and he, instead of meeting with him, goes on a -- on a daily talk show. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| They see, when we say that these options are on the table, the secretary of defense walked them back. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| They are not changing their mind. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| That's what we have to do, is change their mind so they stop pursuing nuclear weapons, and they're going faster. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| How do you do it so quickly? | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Look, you -- you both saw Benjamin Netanyahu hold up that picture of a bomb with a red line and talking about the red line being in spring. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| So can you solve this, if the Romney-Ryan ticket is elected, can you solve this in two months before spring and avoid nuclear -- nuclear... (CROSSTALK) | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We can debate a time line. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We can debate the time line, whether there's -- it's that short a time or longer. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| I agree that it's probably longer. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Number two, it's all about... (CROSSTALK) | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| You don't agree with that bomb and whether the Israelis... (CROSSTALK) | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| I don't want to go into classified stuff. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| But we both agree that to do this peacefully you've got to get them to change their minds. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| They're not changing their minds. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And look at what this administration... | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| But what -- what do... (CROSSTALK) | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Let me tell you what the ayatollah sees. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| You have to have credibility. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| The ayatollah sees his economy being crippled. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| The ayatollah sees that there are 50 percent fewer exports of oil. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| He sees the currency going into the tank. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| He sees the economy going into freefall. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And he sees the world for the first time totally united in opposition to him getting a nuclear weapon. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Now, with regard to Bibi, who's been my friend 39 years, the president has met with Bibi a dozen times. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| He's spoken to Bibi Netanyahu as much as he's spoken to anybody. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| The idea that we're not -- I was in a, just before he went to the U.N., I was in a conference call with the -- with the president, with him talking to Bibi for well over an hour, in -- in -- in stark relief and detail of what was going on. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| This is a bunch of stuff. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Look, here's the deal. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| What does that mean, a bunch of stuff? | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Well, it means it's simply inaccurate. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| It's Irish. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| It -- it is. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| (LAUGHTER) We Irish call it malarkey. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Thanks for the translation. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| OK. (CROSSTALK) | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We Irish call it malarkey. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| But last thing. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| The secretary of defense has made it absolutely clear, we didn't walk anything back. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We will not allow the Iranians to get a nuclear weapon. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| What Bibi held up there was when they get to the point where they can enrich uranium enough to put into a weapon. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| They don't have a weapon to put it into. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Let's all calm down a little bit here. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Iran is more isolated today than when we took office. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| It was on the ascendancy when we took office. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| It is totally isolated. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Congressman Ryan? | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| I don't know what world this guy's living in. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Thank heavens we had these sanctions in place. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| It's in spite of their opposition. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Oh, god. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| They've given 20 waivers to this sanction. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And all I have to point to are the results. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| They're four years closer toward a nuclear weapon. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| I think that case speaks for itself. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Can you tell the American people... | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| By the way, they... (CROSSTALK) | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| What's worse, another war in the Middle East... | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| ... they are not four years closer to a nuclear weapon. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Of course they are. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| They're -- they're closer to being able to get enough fissile material to put in a weapon if they had a weapon. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| You are acting a little bit like they don't want one. | Martha Raddatz | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Oh, I didn't say -- no, I'm not saying that. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| But facts matter, Martha. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| You're a foreign policy expert. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Facts matter. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| All this loose talk about them, "All they have to do is get to enrich uranium in a certain amount and they have a weapon," not true. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Not true. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| They are more -- and if we ever have to take action, unlike when we took office, we will have the world behind us, and that matters. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| That matters. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| What about Bob Gates' statement? | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Let me read that again, "could prove catastrophic, haunting us for generations." | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| He is right. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| It could prove catastrophic, if we didn't do it with precision. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Congressman Ryan? | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And what it does is it undermines our credibility by backing up the point when we make it that all options are on the table. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| That's the point. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| The ayatollahs see these kinds of statements and they think, "I'm going to get a nuclear weapon." | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| When -- when we see the kind of equivocation that took place because this administration wanted a precondition policy, so when the Green Revolution started up, they were silent for nine days. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| When they see us putting -- when they see us putting daylight between ourselves and our allies in Israel, that gives them encouragement. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| When they see Russia watering down any further sanctions, the only reason we got a U.N. sanction is because Russia watered it down and prevented these central bank sanctions in the first place. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| So when they see this kind of activity, they are encouraged to continue, and that's the problem. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Martha, let me tell you what Russia... (CROSSTALK) | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Well, let me ask you what's worse, war in the Middle East, another war in the Middle East, or a nuclear-armed Iran? | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| I'll tell you what's worse. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| I'll tell you what's worse. | Paul D. Ryan | NaN | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Quickly. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| A nuclear-armed Iran which triggers a nuclear arms race in the Middle East. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| This is the world's largest sponsor of -- of terrorism. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| They've dedicated themselves... (CROSSTALK) | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| ... to wiping an entire country off the map. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| They call us the Great Satan. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And if they get nuclear weapons, other people in the neighborhood will pursue their nuclear weapons, as well. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Vice President Biden? | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We can't live with that. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| War should always be the absolute last resort. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| That's why these crippling sanctions, which Bibi Netanyahu says we should continue, which -- if I'm not mistaken -- Governor Romney says we -- we should continue. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| I may be mistaken. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| He changes his mind so often, I could be wrong. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| But the fact of the matter is, he says they're working. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And the fact is that they are being crippled by them. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And we've made it clear, big nations can't bluff. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| This president doesn't bluff. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Gentlemen, I want to bring the conversation to a different kind of national security issue, the state of our economy. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| The number-one issue here at home is jobs. | Martha Raddatz | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| The percentage of unemployed just fell below 8 percent for the first time in 43 months. | Martha Raddatz | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| The Obama administration had projected that it would fall below 6 percent now after the addition of close to a trillion dollars in stimulus money. | Martha Raddatz | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| So will both of you level with the American people: Can you get unemployment to under 6 percent and how long will it take? | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| I don't know how long it will take. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We can and we will get it under 6 percent. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Let's look at -- let's take a look at the facts. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Let's look at where we were when we came to office. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| The economy was in free fall. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We had -- the great recession hit; 9 million people lost their job; $1.7 -- $1.6 trillion in wealth lost in equity in your homes, in retirement accounts for the middle class. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We knew we had to act for the middle class. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We immediately went out and rescued General Motors. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We went ahead and made sure that we cut taxes for the middle class. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And in addition to that, when that -- when that occurred, what did Romney do? | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Romney said, "No, let Detroit go bankrupt." | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We moved in and helped people refinance their homes. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Governor Romney said, "No, let foreclosures hit the bottom." | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| But it shouldn't be surprising for a guy who says 47 percent of the American people are unwilling to take responsibility for their own lives. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| My friend recently in a speech in Washington said "30 percent of the American people are takers." | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| These people are my mom and dad -- the people I grew up with, my neighbors. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| They pay more effective tax than Governor Romney pays in his federal income tax. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| They are elderly people who in fact are living off of Social Security. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| They are veterans and people fighting in Afghanistan right now who are, quote, "not paying any tax." | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| I've had it up to here with this notion that 47 percent -- it's about time they take some responsibility here. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And instead of signing pledges to Grover Norquist not to ask the wealthiest among us to contribute to bring back the middle class, they should be signing a pledge saying to the middle class we're going to level the playing field; we're going to give you a fair shot again; we are going to not repeat the mistakes we made in the past by having a different set of rules for Wall Street and Main Street, making sure that we continue to hemorrhage these tax cuts for the super wealthy. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| They're pushing the continuation of a tax cut that will give an additional $500 billion in tax cuts to 120,000 families. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And they're holding hostage the middle class tax cut because they say we won't pass -- we won't continue the middle class tax cut unless you give the tax cut for the super wealthy. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| It's about time they take some responsibility. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Mr. Ryan? | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Joe and I are from similar towns. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| He's from Scranton, Pennsylvania. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| I'm from Janesville, Wisconsin. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| You know what the unemployment rate in Scranton is today? | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| I sure do. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| It's 10 percent. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Yeah. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| You know what it was the day you guys came in -- 8.5 percent. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Yeah. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| That's how it's going all around America. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Look... | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| You don't read the statistics. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| That's not how it's going. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| It's going down. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| (inaudible) two-minute answer (inaudible) | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Look, did they come in and inherit a tough situation? | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Absolutely. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| But we're going in the wrong direction. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Look at where we are. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| The economy is barely limping along. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| It's growing a 1.3 percent. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| That's slower than it grew last year and last year was slower than the year before. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Job growth in September was slower than it was in August, and August was slower than it was in July. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We're heading in the wrong direction; 23 million Americans are struggling for work today; 15 percent of Americans are living in poverty today. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| This is not what a real recovery looks like. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We need real reforms for real recovery and that's exactly what Mitt Romney and I are proposing. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| It's a five-point plan. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Get America energy independent in North America by the end of the decade. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Help people who are hurting get the skills they need to get the jobs they want. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Get this deficit and debt under control to prevent a debt crisis. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Make trade work for America so we can make more things in America and sell them overseas, and champion small businesses. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Don't raise taxes on small businesses because they're our job creators. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| He talks about Detroit. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Mitt Romney's a car guy. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| They keep misquoting him, but let me tell you about the Mitt Romney I know. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| This is a guy who I was talking to a family in Northborough, Massachusetts the other day, Sheryl and Mark Nixon. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Their kids were hit in a car crash, four of them. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Two of them, Rob and Reed, were paralyzed. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| The Romneys didn't know them. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| They went to the same church; they never met before. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Mitt asked if he could come over on Christmas. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| He brought his boys, his wife, and gifts. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Later on, he said, "I know you're struggling, Mark. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Don't worry about their college. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| I'll pay for it." | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| When Mark told me this story, because, you know what, Mitt Romney doesn't tell these stories. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| The Nixons told this story. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| When he told me this story, he said it wasn't the help, the cash help. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| It's that he gave his time, and he has consistently. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| This is a man who gave 30 percent of his income to charity, more than the two of us combined. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Mitt Romney's a good man. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| He cares about 100 percent of Americans in this country. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And with respect to that quote, I think the vice president very well knows that sometimes the words don't come out of your mouth the right way. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| (LAUGHTER) | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| But I always say what I mean. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And so does Romney. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We want everybody to succeed. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We want to get people out of poverty, in the middle class, onto a life of self-sufficiently. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We believe in opportunity and upward mobility. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| That's what we're going to push for in a Romney administration. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Vice president? | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| I have a feeling you have a few things to say here. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| The idea -- if you heard that -- that little soliloquy on 47 percent and you think he just made a mistake, then I think you're -- I -- I think -- I got a bridge to sell you. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Look, I don't doubt his personal generosity. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And I understand what it's like. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| When I was a little younger than the congressman, my wife was in an accident, killed my daughter and my wife, and my two sons survived. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| I have sat in the homes of many people who've gone through what I get through, because the one thing you can give people solace is to know if they know you've been through it, that they can make it. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| So I don't doubt his personal commitment to individuals. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| But you know what? | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| I know he had no commitment to the automobile industry. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| He just -- he said, let it go bankrupt, period. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Let it drop out. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| All this talk -- we saved a million jobs. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Two hundred thousand people are working today. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And I've never met two guys who're more down on America across the board. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We're told everything's going bad. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| There are 5.2 million new jobs, private-sector jobs. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We need more, but 5.2 million -- if they'd get out of the way, if they'd get out of the way and let us pass the tax cut for the middle class, make it permanent, if they get out of the way and pass the -- pass the jobs bill, if they get out of the way and let us allow 14 million people who are struggling to stay in their homes because their mortgages are upside down, but they never missed a mortgage payment, just get out of the way. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Stop talking about how you care about people. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Show me something. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Show me a policy. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Show me a policy where you take responsibility. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And, by the way, they talk about this Great Recession if it fell out of the sky, like, "Oh, my goodness, where did it come from?" | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| It came from this man voting to put two wars on a credit card, to at the same time put a prescription drug benefit on the credit card, a trillion-dollar tax cut for the very wealthy. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| I was there. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| I voted against them. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| I said, no, we can't afford that. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And now, all of a sudden, these guys are so seized with the concern about the debt that they created. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Congressman Ryan? | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Let's not forget that they came in with one-party control. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| When Barack Obama was elected, his party controlled everything. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| They had the ability to do everything of their choosing. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And look at where we are right now. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| They passed the stimulus. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| The idea that we could borrow $831 billion, spend it on all of these special interest groups, and that it would work out just fine, that unemployment would never get to 8 percent -- it went up above 8 percent for 43 months. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| They said that, right now, if we just passed this stimulus, the economy would grow at 4 percent. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| It's growing at 1.3. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| When could you get it below 6 percent? | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| That's what our entire premise of our pro-growth plan for a stronger middle class is all about: getting the economy growing at 4 percent, creating 12 million jobs over the next four years. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Look at just the $90 billion in stimulus. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| The vice president was in charge of overseeing this. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| $90 billion in green pork to campaign contributors and special interest groups. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| There are just at the Department of Energy over 100 criminal investigations that have been launched into just how stimulus... (CROSSTALK) | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Martha... | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Go ahead. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Go ahead. | Martha Raddatz | NaN | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Martha, look. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| His colleague... | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Crony capitalism and corporate welfare. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| ... runs an investigative committee, spent months and months and months going into this. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| This is the -- this is the inspector general. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Months and months. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| They found no evidence of cronyism. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And I love my friend here. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| I -- I'm not allowed to show letters but go on our website, he sent me two letters saying, "By the way, can you send me some stimulus money for companies here in the state of Wisconsin?" | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We sent millions of dollars. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| You know... (CROSSTALK) | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| You did ask for stimulus money, correct? | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Sure he did. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| By the way... | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| On two occasions we -- we -- we advocated for constituents who were applying for grants. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| That's what we do. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We do that for all constituents who are... | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| (CROSSTALK)_BIDEN: I love that. | NaN | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| I love that. | NaN | NaN | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| This was such a bad program and he writes me a letter saying -- writes the Department of Energy a letter saying, "The reason we need this stimulus, it will create growth and jobs." | NaN | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| His words. | NaN | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And now he's sitting here looking at me. | NaN | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And by the way, that program, again, investigated. | NaN | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| What the Congress said was it was a model. | NaN | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Less than four-tenths of 1 percent waste or fraud in the program. | NaN | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And all this talk about cronyism. | NaN | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| They investigated and investigated, did not find one single piece of evidence. | NaN | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| I wish he would just tell -- be a little more candid. | NaN | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Was it a good idea to spend taxpayer dollars on electric cars in Finland, or on windmills in China? | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Look... | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Was it a good idea to borrow all this money from countries like China and spend it on all these various different interest groups? | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Let me tell you what was a good idea. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| It was a good idea, Moody's and others said that this was exactly what we needed to stop this from going off the cliff. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| It set the conditions to be able to grow again. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We have, in fact, 4 percent of those green jobs didn't go under -- went under, didn't work. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| It's a better batting average than investment bankers have. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| They have about a 40 percent... | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Where are the 5 million green jobs that were being... | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| I want to move on here to Medicare and entitlements. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| I think we've gone over this quite enough. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| By the way, any letter you send me, I'll entertain. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| I appreciate that, Joe. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| (LAUGHTER) | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Let's talk about Medicare and entitlements. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Both Medicare and Social Security are going broke and taking a larger share of the budget in the process. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Will benefits for Americans under these programs have to change for the programs to survive? | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Mr. Ryan? | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Absolutely. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Medicare and Social Security are going bankrupt. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| These are indisputable facts. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Look, when I look at these programs, we've all had tragedies in our lives. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| I think about what they've done for my own family. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| My mom and I had my grandmother move in with us who was facing Alzheimer's. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Medicare was there for here, just like it's there for my mom right now who is a Florida senior. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| After my dad died, my mom and I got Social Security survivors benefits, helped me pay for college, it helped her go back to college in her 50s where she started a small business because of the new skills she got. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| She paid all of her taxes on the promise that these programs would be there for her. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We will honor this promise. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And the best way to do it is reform it for my generation. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| You see, if you reform these programs for my generation, people 54 and below, you can guarantee they don't change for people in or near retirement, which is precisely what Mitt Romney and I are proposing. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Look what -- look what Obamacare does. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Obamacare takes $716 billion from Medicare to spend on Obamacare. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Even their own chief actuary at Medicare backs this up. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| He says you can't spend the same dollar twice. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| You can't claim that this money goes to Medicare and Obamacare. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And then they put this new Obamacare board in charge of cutting Medicare each and every year in ways that will lead to denied care for current seniors. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| This board, by the way, it's 15 people, the president's supposed to appoint them next year. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And not one of them even has to have medical training. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And Social Security? | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| If we don't shore up Social Security, when we run out of the IOUs, when the program goes bankrupt, a 25 percent across-the-board benefit cut kicks in on current seniors in the middle of their retirement. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We're going to stop that from happening. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| They haven't put a credible solution on the table. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| He'll tell you about vouchers. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| He'll say all these things to try and scare people. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Here's what we're saying: give younger people, when they become Medicare eligible, guaranteed coverage options that you can't be denied, including traditional Medicare. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Choose your plan, and then Medicare subsidizes your premiums, not as much for the wealthy people, more coverage for middle-income people, and total out-of-pocket coverage for the poor and the sick. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Choice and competition. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We would rather have 50 million future seniors determine how their Medicare is delivered to them instead of 15 bureaucrats deciding what, if, when, where they get it. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Vice President Biden, two minutes. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| You know, I heard that death panel argument from Sarah Palin. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| It seems every vice presidential debate I hear this kind of stuff about panels. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| But let's talk about Medicare. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| What we did is, we saved $716 billion and put it back, applied it to Medicare. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We cut the cost of Medicare. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We stopped overpaying insurance companies, doctors and hospitals. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| The AMA supported what we did. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| AARP endorsed what we did. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And it extends the life of Medicare to 2024. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| They want to wipe this all out. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| It also gave more benefits. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Any senior out there, ask yourself: Do you have more benefits today? | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| You do. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| If you're near the donut hole, you have $800 -- $600 more to help your prescription drug costs. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| You get wellness visits without co-pays. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| They wipe all of this out, and Medicare goes -- becomes insolvent in 2016, number one. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Number two, "guaranteed benefit"? | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| It's a voucher. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| When they first proposed -- when the congressman had his first voucher program, the CBO said it would cost $6,400 a year, Martha, more for every senior, 55 and below, when they got there. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| He knew that, yet he got all the guys in Congress and women in the Republican Party to vote for it. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Governor Romney, knowing that, said, I would sign it, were I there. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Who you believe, the AMA, me, a guy who's fought his whole life for this, or somebody who would actually put in motion a plan that knowingly cut -- added $6,400 a year more to the cost of Medicare? | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Now they got a new plan: "Trust me, it's not going to cost you any more." | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Folks, follow your instincts on this one. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And with regard to Social Security, we will not -- we will not privatize it. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| If we had listened to Romney, Governor Romney, and the congressman during the Bush years, imagine where all those seniors would be now if their money had been in the market. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Their ideas are old and their ideas are bad, and they eliminate the guarantee of Medicare. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Here's the problem. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| They got caught with their hands in the cookie jar, turning Medicare into a piggybank for Obamacare. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Their own actuary from the administration came to Congress and said one out of six hospitals and nursing homes are going to go out of business as a result of this. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| That's not what they said. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| 7.4 million seniors are projected to lose their current Medicare Advantage coverage they have. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| That's a $3,200 benefit cut. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| That didn't happen. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| What we're saying... | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| More people signed up. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| These are from your own actuaries. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| More -- more -- more people signed up for Medicare Advantage after the change. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| What -- there's... | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Nobody is... (CROSSTALK) | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Mr. Vice President, I know... | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| No, this is... (CROSSTALK) | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Mr. Vice President, I know you're under a lot of duress to make up for lost ground, but I think people would be better served if we don't keep interrupting each other. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Well, don't take all the four minutes then. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Let me just -- let me just say this. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We are not -- we're saying don't change benefits for people 55 and above. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| They already organized their retirement around these promises. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| (CROSSTALK) | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| ... programs for those of us. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| But let -- let me ask you this. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| What -- what is your specific plan for seniors who really can't afford to make up the difference in the value of what you call a premium support plan and others call a voucher? | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Hundred percent coverage... | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And what... (CROSSTALK) | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| That's what we're saying. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| So we're saying... | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| How do you make that up? | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| ... income adjusts (inaudible) these premium support payments by taking down the subsidies for wealthy people. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Look, this is a plan -- by the way, that $6,400 number, it was misleading then, it's totally inaccurate now. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| This is a plan that's bipartisan. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| It's a plan I put together with a prominent Democrat senator from Oregon. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| There's not one Democrat who endorses it. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| It's a plan... | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Not one Democrat who (inaudible). | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Our partner is a Democrat from Oregon. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And he said he does no longer support (inaudible). | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We -- we -- we put it -- we put it together with the former Clinton budget director. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Who disavows it. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| This idea -- this idea came from the Clinton commission to save Medicare chaired by Senator John Breaux. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Here's the point, Martha. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Which was rejected. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| If we don't -- if we don't fix this problem pretty soon then current seniors get cut. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Here's the problem: 10,000 people are retiring every single day in America today and they will for 20 years. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| That's not a political thing, that's a math thing. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Martha, if we just did one thing, if we just -- if they just allowed Medicare to bargain for the cost of drugs like Medicaid can, that would save $156 billion right off the bat. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And it would deny seniors choices. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| All -- all -- all... | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| It has a restricted... (CROSSTALK) | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Seniors are not denied. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Absolutely. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| They are not denied. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Look, folks, all you seniors out there, have you been denied choices? | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Have you lost Medicare Advantage. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Because it's working well right now. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| (CROSSTALK) | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Because we've changed the law. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Vice President Biden, let me ask you, if it could help solve the problem, why not very slowly raise the Medicare eligibility age by two years, as Congressman Ryan suggests? | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Look, I was there when we did that with Social Security in 1983. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| I was one of eight people sitting in the room that included Tip O'Neill negotiating with President Reagan. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We all got together and everybody said, as long as everybody's in the deal, everybody's in the deal, and everybody is making some sacrifice, we can find a way. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We made the system solvent to 2033. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We will not, though, be part of any voucher plan eliminating -- the voucher says, "Mom, when you're -- when you're 65, go out there, shop for the best insurance you can get. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| You're out of Medicare." | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| You can buy back in if you want with this voucher, which will not keep pace -- will not keep pace with health care costs. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Because if it did keep pace with health care costs, there would be no savings. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| That's why they go the voucher. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| They -- we will be no part of a voucher program or the privatization of Social Security. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| A voucher is you go to your mailbox, get a check, and buy something. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Nobody's proposing that. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Barack Obama four years ago running for president said if you don't have any fresh ideas, use stale tactics to scare voters. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| If you don't have a good record to run on, paint your opponent as someone people should run from. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| (CROSSTALK) | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Make a big election about small ideas. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| You were one of the few lawmakers to stand with President Bush when he was seeking to partially privatize Social Security. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| For younger people. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| What we said then, and what I've always agreed is let younger Americans have a voluntary choice of making their money work faster for them within the Social Security system. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| You saw how well that worked. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| That's not what Mitt Romney's proposing. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| What we're saying is no changes for anybody 55 and above. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| What Mitt Romney is proposing... | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And then the kinds of changes we're talking about for younger people like myself is don't increase the benefits for wealthy people as fast as everybody else. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Slowly raise the retirement age over time. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Martha... | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| It wouldn't get to the age of 70 until the year 2103 according to the actuaries. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Now, here's... (CROSSTALK) | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Quickly, Vice President? | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Quickly. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| The bottom line here is that all the studies show that if we went with Social Security proposal made by Mitt Romney, if you're 40 -- in your 40s now you will pay $2,600 a year -- you get $2,600 a year less in Social Security. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| If you're in your 20s now, you get $4,700 (inaudible) less. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| The idea of changing, and change being in this case to cut the benefits for people without taking other action you could do to make it work is absolutely the wrong way. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| These -- look, these guys haven't been big on Medicare from the beginning. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Their party's not been big on Medicare from the beginning. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And they've always been about Social Security as little as you can do. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Look, folks, use your common sense. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Who do you trust on this -- a man who introduced a bill that would raise it 40 -- $6,400 a year; knowing it and passing it, and Romney saying he'd sign it, or me and the president? | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| That statistic was completely misleading. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| But more importantly... | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| That's -- there are the facts right... (CROSSTALK) | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| This is what politicians do when they don't have a record to run on: try to scare people from voting for you. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| If you don't get ahead of this problem, it's going to... (CROSSTALK) | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Medicare beneficiaries -- there are more beneficiaries... (CROSSTALK) | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We're going to -- we're going to move... (CROSSTALK) | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| ... very simple question... (CROSSTALK) | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We're not going to run away. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Medicare and Social Security did so much for my own family. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We are not going to jeopardize this program, but we have to save it... (CROSSTALK) | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| You are jeopardizing this program. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| You're changing the program from a guaranteed benefit to premium support. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Whatever you call it, the bottom line is people are going to have to pay more money out of their pocket and the families I know and the families I come from, they don't have the money to pay more out... (CROSSTALK) | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| That's why we're saying more for lower income people and less for higher income people. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Gentlemen, I would like to move on to a very simple question for both of you, and something tells me I won't get a very simple answer, but let me ask you this. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| I gave you a simple answer. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| He's raising the cost of Medicare. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| OK, on to taxes. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| If your ticket is elected, who will pay more in taxes? | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Who will pay less? | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And we're starting with Vice President Biden for two minutes. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| The middle class will pay less and people making $1 million or more will begin to contribute slightly more. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Let me give you one concrete example. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| The continuation of the Bush tax cuts -- we are arguing that the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy should be allowed to expire. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Of the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy, $800 million -- billion of that goes to people making a minimum of $1 million. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We see no justification in these economic times for those, and they're patriotic Americans. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| They're not asking for this continued tax cut. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| They're not suggesting it, but my friends are insisting on it; 120,000 families by continuing that tax cut will get an additional $500 billion in tax relief in the next 10 years and their income is an average of $8 million. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We want to extend permanently the middle-class tax cut for -- permanently, from the Bush middle-class tax cut. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| These guys won't allow us to. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| You know what they're saying? | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We say "let's have a vote -- let's have a vote on the middle-class tax cut and let's have a vote on the upper (ph) tax cut; let's go ahead and vote on it." | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| They're saying no. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| They're holding hostage the middle class tax cut to the super wealthy. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And on top of that, they've got another tax cut coming that's $5 trillion that all of the studies point out will in fact give another $250 million -- yeah, $250,000 a year to those 120,000 families and raise taxes for people who are middle income with a child by $2,000 a year. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| This is unconscionable. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| There is no need for this. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| The middle class got knocked on their heels. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| The great recession crushed them. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| They need some help now. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| The last people who need help are 120,000 families for another -- another $500 billion tax cut over the next 10 years. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Congressman? | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Our entire premise of these tax reform plans is to grow the economy and create jobs. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| It's a plan that's estimated to create 7 million jobs. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Now, we think that government taking 28 percent of a family and business's income is enough. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| President Obama thinks that the government ought to be able to take as much as 44.8 percent of a small business's income. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Look, if you taxed every person and successful business making over $250,000 at 100 percent, it would only run the government for 98 days. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| If everybody who paid income taxes last year, including successful small businesses, doubled their income taxes this year, we'd still have a $300 billion deficit. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| You see? | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| There aren't enough rich people and small businesses to tax to pay for all their spending. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And so the next time you hear them say, "Don't worry about it, we'll get a few wealthy people to pay their fair share," watch out, middle class, the tax bill's coming to you. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| That's why we're saying we need fundamental tax reform. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Let's take a look at it this way. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Eight out of 10 businesses, they file their taxes as individuals, not as corporations. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And where I come from, overseas, which is Lake Superior, the Canadians, they dropped their tax rates to 15 percent. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| The average tax rate on businesses in the industrialized world is 25 percent, and the president wants the top effective tax rate on successful small businesses to go above 40 percent. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Two-thirds of our jobs come from small businesses. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| This one tax would actually tax about 53 percent of small-business income. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| It's expected to cost us 710,000 jobs. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And you know what? | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| It doesn't even pay for 10 percent of their proposed deficit spending increases. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| What we are saying is, lower tax rates across the board and close loopholes, primarily to the higher-income people. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We have three bottom lines: Don't raise the deficit, don't raise taxes on the middle class, and don't lower the share of income that is borne by the high-income earners. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| He'll keep saying this $5 trillion plan, I suppose. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| It's been discredited by six other studies. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And even their own deputy campaign manager acknowledged that it wasn't correct. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Well, let's talk about this 20 percent. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| You have refused -- and, again -- to offer specifics on how you pay for that 20 percent across-the-board tax cut. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Do you actually have the specifics? | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Or are you still working on it, and that's why you won't tell voters? | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Different than this administration, we actually want to have big bipartisan agreements. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| You see, I understand the... | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Do you have the specifics? | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Do you have the... | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| (CROSSTALK)_BIDEN: That would -- that would be a first for the Republican Congress. | NaN | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Do you know exactly what you're doing? | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Look -- look at what Mitt Romney -- look at what Ronald Reagan and Tip O'Neill did. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| They worked together out of a framework to lower tax rates and broaden the base, and they worked together to fix that. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| What we're saying is, here's our framework. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Lower tax rates 20 percent. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We raised about $1.2 trillion through income taxes. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We forego about $1.1 trillion in loopholes and deductions. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And so what we're saying is, deny those loopholes and deductions to higher-income taxpayers so that more of their income is taxed, which has a broader base of taxation... | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Can I translate? | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| ... so we can lower tax rates across the board. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Now, here's why I'm saying this. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| What we're saying is, here's the framework... | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| I hope I'm going to get time to respond to this. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| You'll get time. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We want to work with Congress -- we want to work with the Congress on how best to achieve this. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| That means successful. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Look... | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| No specifics, again. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Mitt -- what we're saying is, lower tax rates 20 percent, start with the wealthy, work with Congress to do it... | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And you guarantee this math will add up? | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Absolutely. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Six studies have guaranteed -- six studies have verified that this math adds up. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| But here's... | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Vice President Biden... (CROSSTALK) | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Look... (CROSSTALK) | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| .. let me translate. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Let me have a chance to translate. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| I'll come back in a second, then, right? | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| First of all, I was there when Ronald Reagan tax breaks -- he gave specifics of what he was going to cut, number one, in terms of tax expenditures. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Number two, 97 percent of the small businesses in America pay less -- make less than $250,000. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Let me tell you who some of those other small businesses are: hedge funds that make $600 million, $800 million a year. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| That's -- that's what they count as small businesses, because they're pass- through. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Let's look at how sincere they are. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Ronald -- I mean, excuse me, Governor Romney on "60 Minutes" -- I guess it was about 10 days ago -- was asked, "Governor, you pay 14 percent on $20 million. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Someone making $50,000 pays more than that. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Do you think that's fair?" | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| He said, "Oh, yes, that's fair. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| That's fair." | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| This is -- and they're going to talk -- you think these guys are going to go out there and cut those loopholes? | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| The loophole -- the biggest loophole they take advantage of is the carried interest loophole and -- and capital gains loophole. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| They exempt that. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Now, there's not enough -- the reason why the AEI study, the American Enterprise Institute study, the Tax Policy Center study, the reason they all say it's going -- taxes go up on the middle class, the only way you can find $5 trillion in loopholes is cut the mortgage deduction for middle-class people, cut the health care deduction, middle-class people, take away their ability to get a tax break to send their kids to college. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| That's why they arrive at it. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Is he wrong about that? | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| He is wrong about that. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| They're... | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| How's that? | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| You can -- you can cut tax rates by 20 percent and still preserve these important preferences for middle-class taxpayers... | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Not mathematically possible. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| It is mathematically possible. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| It's been done before. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| It's precisely what we're proposing. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| It has never been done before. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| It's been done a couple of times, actually. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| It has never been done before. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Jack Kennedy lowered tax rates, increased growth. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Ronald Reagan... | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Oh, now you're Jack Kennedy? | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| (LAUGHTER) | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Ronald Reagan -- Republicans and Democrats... | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| This is amazing. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Republican and Democrats have worked together on this. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| That's right. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| You know, I understand you guys aren't used to doing bipartisan deals... | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| But we told each other what we're going to do. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Republicans and Democrats... | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| When we did it Reagan, we said, here -- here are the things we're going to cut. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| (CROSSTALK) | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| That's what we said. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We said here's the framework, let's work together to fill in the details. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| That's exactly... | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Fill in the detail. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| That's how you get things done. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| You work with Congress -- look, let me say it this way. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| (CROSSTALK) | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| That's coming from a Republican Congress working bipartisanly, 7 percent rating? | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Come on. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Mitt Romney was governor of Massachusetts, where 87 percent of the legislators he served, which were Democrats. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| He didn't demonize them. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| He didn't demagogue them. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| He met with those party leaders every week. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| He reached across the aisle. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| He didn't compromise principles. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And you saw what happened. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| He found common ground -- and he balanced the budget... | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| You saw -- if he did such a great job... | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Mr. Vice President... (CROSSTALK) | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| ... four times without raising taxes... | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Why isn't he even contesting Massachusetts? | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| (CROSSTALK) | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Mr. Vice President, what would you suggest -- what would you suggest beyond raising taxes on the wealthy, that would substantially reduce the long-term deficit? | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Just let the taxes expire like they're supposed to on those millionaires. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We don't -- we can't afford $800 billion going to people making a minimum of $1 million. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| They do not need it, Martha. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Those 120,000 families make $8 million a year. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Middle-class people need the help. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Why does my friend cut out the tuition tax credit for them? | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Why does he go after the childcare... | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Can you declare anything off-limits? | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Why do they do that? | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Can you declare anything off-limits? | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Yeah, we're saying close loopholes... | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Home mortgage deduction? | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| ... on high-interest people. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Home mortgage deduction? | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| For higher-income people. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Here... | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Can you guarantee that no one making less than $100,000 will have a mortgage -- their mortgage deduction impacted? | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Guarantee? | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| This taxes a million small businesses. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| He keeps trying to make you think that it's just some movie star or hedge fund guy or an actor... | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Ninety-seven percent of the small businesses make less than $250,000 a year, would not be affected. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Joe, you know it hits a million -- this taxes a million people, a million small businesses. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Does it tax 97 percent of the American businesses? | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| It taxes a million small businesses... | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Small businesses? | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| ... who are our greatest job creators. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| I wish I'd get -- the "greatest job creators" are the hedge fund guys. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And you're -- and you're going to increase the defense budget. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Think about it this way. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And you're going to increase the defense budget. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| No, we're not just going to cut the defense budget like they're -- they're proposing... | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| They're going to increase it $2 billion. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| That's not... (CROSSTALK) | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We're talking about... | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| So no massive defense increases? | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| No, we're saying don't -- OK, you want to get into defense now? | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Yes, I do. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| I do, because that's another math question. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| So -- right, OK. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| How do you do that? | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| So they proposed a $478 billion cut to defense to begin with. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Now we have another $500 billion cut to defense that's lurking on the horizon. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| They insisted upon that cut being involved in the debt negotiations, and so we have a $1 trillion cut... | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Let's put the automatic defense cuts aside, OK? | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Right, OK. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Let's put those aside. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| No one wants that. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| I'd like to go back to that. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| But I want to know how you do the math and have this increase in defense spending? | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Two trillion dollars. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| You don't cut defense by a trillion dollars. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| That's what we're talking about. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And what -- what national security issues justify an increase? | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Who's cutting it by $1 trillion? | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We're going to cut 80,000 soldiers, 20,000 Marines, 120 cargo planes. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We're going to push the Joint Strike Fighter out... | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Drawing down in one war and one war... | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| If these cuts go through, our Navy will be the smallest -- the smallest it has been since before World War I. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| This invites weakness. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Look, do we believe in peace through strength? | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| You bet we do. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And that means you don't impose these devastating cuts on our military. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| So we're saying don't cut the military by a trillion dollars. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Not increase it by a trillion, don't cut it by a trillion dollars. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Quickly, Vice President Biden on this. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| I want to move on. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Look, we don't cut it. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And I might add, this so-called -- I know we don't want to use the fancy word "sequester," this automatic cut -- that was part of a debt deal that they asked for. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And let me tell you what my friend said at a press conference announcing his support of the deal. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| He said, and I'm paraphrase, We've been looking for this moment for a long time. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Can I tell you what that meant? | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| (CROSSTALK) | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We've been looking for bipartisanship for a long time. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And so the bipartisanship is what he voted for, the automatic cuts in defense if they didn't act. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And beyond that, they asked for another -- look, the military says we need a smaller, leaner Army, we need more special forces, we need -- we don't need more M1 tanks, what we need is more UAVs. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Some of the military. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| (CROSSTALK) | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Not some of the military. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| That was the decision of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, recommended to us and agreed to by the president. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| That is a fact. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Who answers to a civilian leader. | Martha Raddatz | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| They made the recommendation first. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| OK. Let's move on to Afghanistan. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Can I get into that for a second? | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| I'd like to move on to Afghanistan please. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And that's one of the biggest expenditures this country has made, in dollars, and more importantly in lives. | Martha Raddatz | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We just passed the sad milestone of losing 2,000 U.S. troops there in this war. | Martha Raddatz | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| More than 50 of them were killed this year by the very Afghan forces we are trying to help. | Martha Raddatz | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Now, we've reached the recruiting goal for Afghan forces, we've degraded Al Qaida. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| So tell me, why not leave now? | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| What more can we really accomplish? | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Is it worth more American lives? | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We don't want to lose the gains we've gotten. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We want to make sure that the Taliban does not come back in and give Al Qaida a safe haven. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We agree with the administration on their 2014 transition. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Look, when I think about Afghanistan, I think about the incredible job that our troops have done. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| You've been there more than the two of us combined. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| First time I was there in 2002, it was amazing to me what they were facing. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| When I went to the Ahgandah (ph) Valley in Kandahar before the surge, I sat down with a young private in the 82nd from the Monamanee (ph) Indian reservation who would tell me what he did every day, and I was in awe. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And to see what they had in front of them. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And then to go back there in December, to go throughout Helmand with the Marines, to see what they had accomplished, it's nothing short of amazing. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| What we don't want to do is lose the gains we've gotten. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Now, we've disagreed from time to time on a few issues. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We would have more likely taken into accounts the recommendations from our commanders, General Petraeus, Admiral Mullen, on troop levels throughout this year's fighting season. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We've been skeptical about negotiations with the Taliban, especially while they're shooting at us. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| But we want to see the 2014 transition be successful, and that means we want to make sure our commanders have what they need to make sure that it is successful so that this does not once again become a launching pad for terrorists. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Vice President Biden? | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Martha, let's keep our eye on the ball. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| The reason -- I've been in and out of Afghanistan and Iraq 20 times. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| I've been up in the Konar (ph) Valley. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| I've been throughout that whole country, mostly in a helicopter, and sometimes in a vehicle. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| The fact is, we went there for one reason: to get those people who killed Americans, Al Qaida. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We've decimated Al Qaida central. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We have eliminated Osama bin Laden. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| That was our purpose. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And, in fact, in the meantime, what we said we would do, we would help train the Afghan military. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| It's their responsibility to take over their own security. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| That's why with 49 of our allies in Afghanistan, we've agreed on a gradual drawdown so we're out of there by the year 20 -- in the year 2014. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| My friend and the governor say it's based on conditions, which means it depends. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| It does not depend for us. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| It is the responsibility of the Afghans to take care of their own security. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We have trained over 315,000, mostly without incident. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| There have been more than two dozen cases of green-on-blue where Americans have been killed. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| If we do not -- if the measures the military has taken do not take hold, we will not go on joint patrols. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We will not train in the field. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We'll only train in the -- in the Army bases that exist there. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| But we are leaving. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We are leaving in 2014. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Period. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And in the process, we're going to be saving over the next 10 years another $800 billion. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We've been in this war for over a decade. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| The primary objective is almost completed. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Now, all we're doing is putting the Kabul government in a position to be able to maintain their own security. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| It's their responsibility, not America's. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| What -- what conditions could justify staying, Congressman Ryan? | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We don't want to stay. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We want -- look, one of my best friends in Janesville, a reservist, is at a forward-operating base in eastern Afghanistan right now. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Our wives are best friends. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Our daughters are best friends. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| I want -- I want him and all of our troops to come home as soon and safely as possible. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We want to make sure that 2014 is successful. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| That's why we want to make sure that we give our commanders what they say they need to make it successful. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We don't want to extend beyond 2014. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| That's the point we're making. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| You know, if it was just this, I'd feel like we would -- we would be able to call this a success, but it's not. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| What we are witnessing as we turn on our television screens these days is the absolute unraveling of the Obama foreign policy. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Problems are growing at home, but -- problems are growing abroad, but jobs aren't growing here at home. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Let me go back to this. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| He says we're absolutely leaving in 2014. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| You're saying that's not an absolute, but you won't talk about what conditions would justify... (CROSSTALK) | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Do you know why we say that? | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| I'd like to know... (CROSSTALK) | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Because we don't want to broadcast to our enemies "put a date on your calendar, wait us out, and then come back." | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We want to make sure... (CROSSTALK) | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| But you agree with the timeline. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We do agree -- we do agree with the timeline and the transition, but what we -- what any administration will do in 2013 is assess the situation to see how best to complete this timeline. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| What we do not want to do... | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We will leave in 2014. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| ... what we don't want to do is give our allies reason to trust us less and our enemies more -- we don't want to embolden our enemies to hold and wait out for us and then take over... (CROSSTALK) | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Martha, that's a bizarre statement. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| That's why we want to make sure -- no, that's why we want to make sure that... (CROSSTALK) | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Forty-nine of our allies -- hear me -- 49 of our allies signed on to this position. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And we're reading that they want to... (CROSSTALK) | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Forty-nine -- 49 of our allies said "out in 2014." | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| It's the responsibility of the Afghans. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We have other responsibilities... (CROSSTALK) | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Do you really think that this timeline... (CROSSTALK) | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Which is -- which is... (CROSSTALK) | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We have -- we have soldiers and Marines. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We have Afghan forces murdering our forces over there. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| The Taliban is, do you think, taking advantage of this timeline? | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Look, the Taliban -- what we've found out, and we -- you saw it in Iraq, Martha, unless you set a timeline, Baghdad, in the case of Iraq, and -- and Kabul, in the case of Afghanistan will not step up. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| They're happy to let us continue to do the job; international security forces to do the job. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| The only way they step up is to say, "Fellas, we're leaving; we've trained you; step up, step up." | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Let me go back. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| That's the only way it works. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Let me go back to the -- the surge troops that we put in there. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And -- and you brought this up, Congressman Ryan. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| I have talked to a lot of troops. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| I've talked to senior offices who were concerned that the surge troops were pulled out during the fighting season, and some of them saw that as a political -- as a political move. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| So can you tell me, Vice President Biden, what was the military reason for bringing those surge troops home... | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| The military reason... | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| ... before the fighting had ended? | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| ... was bringing -- by the way, when the president announced the surge, you'll remember, Martha, he said the surge will be out by the end of the summer. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| The military said the surge will be out. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Nothing political about this. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Before the surge occurred -- so you be a little straight with me here, too -- before the surge occurred, we said they'll be out by the end of the summer. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| That's what the military said. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| The reason for that is... | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| The military follows orders. | Martha Raddatz | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| I mean, there -- trust me. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| There are people who were concerned about pulling out on the fighting season. | Martha Raddatz | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Sure. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| There are people that are concerned, but not the Joint Chiefs. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| That was their recommendation in the Oval Office to the president of the United States of America. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| I sat there. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| I'm sure you'll find someone who disagrees with the Pentagon. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| I'm positive you'll find that within the military. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| But that's not the case here. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And, secondly, the reason why the military said that is, you cannot wait and have a cliff. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| It takes -- you know -- months and months and months to draw down forces. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Let me... (CROSSTALK) | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Let me try and illustrate the issue here, because I think this -- it can get a little confusing. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We've all met with General Allen and General Scaparrotti in Afghanistan to talk about fighting seasons. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Here's the way it works. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| The mountain passes fill in with snow. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| The Taliban and the terrorists and the Haqqani and the Quetta Shura come over from Pakistan to fight our men and women. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| When it fills in with snow, they can't do it. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| That's what we call fighting seasons. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| In the warm months, fighting gets really high. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| In the winter, it goes down. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And so when Admiral Mullen and General Petraeus came to Congress and said, if you pull these people out before the fighting season is end, it puts people more at risk. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| That's the problem. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Yes, we drew 22,000 troops down last month, but the remaining troops that are there, who still have the same mission to prosecute counterinsurgency, are doing it with fewer people. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| That makes them less safe. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Fighting season... | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We're sending fewer people out in all of these hotspots to do the same job that they were supposed to do a month ago. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Because we turned it over... | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| But we took 22,000 people out... | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| ... we turned it over to the Afghan troops we trained. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| No one got pulled out that didn't get filled in by trained Afghan personnel. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And he's -- he's conflating two issues. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| The fighting season that Petraeus was talking about and former -- and Admiral Mullen was the fighting season this spring. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| That's what he was talking about. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We did not -- we did not pull them out. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| The calendar works the same every year. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| It does work the same every year. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| But we're not staying there... | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Spring, summer, fall. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| It's warm, or it's not. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| They're still fighting us. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| They're still coming over the passes. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| They're still coming into Zabul, to Kunar, to all of these areas, but we are sending fewer people to the front to fight them. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And that's... (CROSSTALK) | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| That's right, because that's the Afghan responsibility. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We've trained them. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Not in the east. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Let's move -- let's move to another war. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Not in the east? | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| R.C. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| East -- R.C. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| East... | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| R.C. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| East is the most dangerous place in the world. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| That's right. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| That's why we don't want to send fewer people to the... | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| That's -- that's why we should send Americans in to do the job, instead of the -- you'd rather Americans be going in doing the job instead of the trainees? | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| No. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We are already sending Americans to do the job, but fewer of them. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| That's the whole problem. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| That's right. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We're sending in more Afghans to do the job, Afghans to do the job. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Let's move to another war, the civil war in Syria, where there are estimates that more -- estimates that more than 25,000, 30,000 people have now been killed. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| In March of last year, President Obama explained the military action taken in Libya by saying it was in the national interest to go in and prevent further massacres from occurring there. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| So why doesn't the same logic apply in Syria? | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Vice President Biden? | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Different country. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| It's a different country. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| It is five times as large geographically, it has one-fifth the population, that is Libya, one-fifth the population, five times as large geographically. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| It's in a part of the world where they're not going to see whatever would come from that war. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| It seep into a regional war. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| You're in a country that is heavily populated in the midst of the most dangerous area in the world. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And, in fact, if in fact it blows up and the wrong people gain control, it's going to have impact on the entire region causing potentially regional wars. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We are working hand and glove with the Turks, with the Jordanians, with the Saudis, and with all the people in the region attempting to identify the people who deserve the help so that when Assad goes -- and he will go -- there will be a legitimate government that follows on, not an Al Qaida-sponsored government that follows on. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And all this loose talk of my friend, Governor Romney, and the congressman, about how we're going to do, we could do so much more in there, what more would they do other than put American boots on the ground? | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| The last thing America needs is to get in another ground war in the Middle East, requiring tens of thousands, if not well over 100,000 American forces. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| That -- they are the facts. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| They are the facts. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Now, every time the governor is asked about this, he doesn't say anything. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| He -- he goes up with a whole lot of verbiage, but when he gets pressed he says, no, he would not do anything different than we are doing now. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Are they proposing putting American troops on the ground? | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Putting American aircraft in the airspace? | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Is that what they're proposing? | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| If they do, they should speak up and say so, but that's not what they're saying. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We are doing it exactly like we need to do to identify those forces who, in fact, will provide for a stable government and not cause a regional Sunni-Shia war when Bassad (sic) -- when Bashar Assad falls. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Congressman Ryan? | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Nobody is proposing to send troops to Syria. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| American troops. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Now, let me say it this way. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| How would we do things differently? | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We wouldn't refer to Bashar Assad as a reformer when he's killing his own civilians with his Russian-provided weapons. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We wouldn't be outsourcing our foreign policy to the United Nations giving Vladimir Putin veto power over our efforts to try and deal with this issue. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| He's vetoed three of them. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Hillary Clinton went to Russia to try and convince them not to do so. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| They thwarted her efforts. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| She said they were on the wrong side of history. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| She was right about that. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| This is just one more example of how the Russia reset's not working. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And so where are we? | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| After international pressure mounted, the President Obama said Bashar Assad should go. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| It's been over a year. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| The man has slaughtered tens of thousands of his own people. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And more foreign fighters are spilling into this country. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| So the longer this has gone on, the more people, groups like Al Qaida are going in. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We could have more easily identified the free Syrian army, the freedom fighters, working with our allies, the Turks, the Qataris, the Saudis, had we had a better plan in place to begin with working through our allies. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| But, no, we waited for Kofi Annan to try and come up with an agreement through the U.N. That bought Bashar Assad time. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We gave Russia veto power over our efforts through the U.N. And meanwhile about 30,000 Syrians are dead. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| What would my friend do differently? | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| If you notice, he never answers the question. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| No, I would -- I -- we would not be going through the U.N. in all of these things. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Let me -- you don't go through the U.N. We are in the process now -- and have been for months -- in making sure that help, humanitarian aid, as well as other aid and training is getting to those forces that we believe, the Turks believe, the Jordanians believe, the Saudis believe are the free forces inside of Syria. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| That is underway. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Our allies were all on the same page, NATO, as well as our Arab allies, in terms of trying to get a settlement. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| That was their idea. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We're the ones that said, "Enough." | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| With regard to the reset not working, the fact of the matter is that Russia has a different interest in Syria than we do, and that's not in our interest. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| What happens if Assad does not fall, Congressman Ryan? | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| What happens to the region? | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| What happens if he hangs on? | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| What happens if he does? | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Then Iran keeps their greatest ally in the region. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| He's a sponsor of terrorism. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| He'll probably continue slaughtering his people. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We and the world community will lose our credibility on this. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Look, he mentioned the reset... | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| So what would Romney-Ryan do about that credibility? | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Well, we agree with the same red line, actually, they do on chemical weapons, but not putting American troops in, other than to secure those chemical weapons. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| They're right about that. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| But what we should have done earlier is work with those freedom fighters, those dissidents in Syria. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We should not have called Bashar Assad a reformer. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And... | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| What's your criteria... (CROSSTALK) | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| ... we should not have -- we should not have waited to Russia... | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| What's your criteria... (CROSSTALK) | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| ... should not have waited for Russia to give us the green light at the U.N. to do something about it. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Russia... | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| They're -- they're still arming the man. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Iran is flying flights over Iraq... | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And the opposition is being armed. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| ... to help Bashar Assad. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And, by the way, if we had the status-of-forces agreement that the vice president said he would bet his vice presidency on in Iraq, we probably would have been able to prevent that. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| But he failed to achieve that, as well, again. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Let me ask you a quick question. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| I don't... | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| What's your criteria for intervention? | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Yeah. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| In Syria? | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Worldwide. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| What is in the national interests of the American people. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| How about humanitarian interests? | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| What is in the national security of the American people. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| It's got to be in the strategic national interests of our country. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| No humanitarian? | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Each situation will -- will come up with its own set of circumstances, but putting American troops on the ground? | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| That's got to be within the national security interests of the American people. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| I want to -- we're -- we're almost out of time here. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| That means like embargoes and sanctions and overflights, those are things that don't put American troops on the ground. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| But if you're talking about putting American troops on the ground, only in our national security interests. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| I want to move on, and I want to return home for these last few questions. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| This debate is, indeed, historic. | Martha Raddatz | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We have two Catholic candidates, first time, on a stage such as this. | Martha Raddatz | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And I would like to ask you both to tell me what role your religion has played in your own personal views on abortion. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Please talk about how you came to that decision. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Talk about how your religion played a part in that. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And, please, this is such an emotional issue for so many people in this country... | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Sure. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| ... please talk personally about this, if you could. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Congressman Ryan? | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| I don't see how a person can separate their public life from their private life or from their faith. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Our faith informs us in everything we do. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| My faith informs me about how to take care of the vulnerable, of how to make sure that people have a chance in life. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Now, you want to ask basically why I'm pro-life? | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| It's not simply because of my Catholic faith. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| That's a factor, of course. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| But it's also because of reason and science. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| You know, I think about 10 1/2 years ago, my wife Janna and I went to Mercy Hospital in Janesville where I was born, for our seven week ultrasound for our firstborn child, and we saw that heartbeat. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| A little baby was in the shape of a bean. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And to this day, we have nicknamed our firstborn child Liza, "Bean." | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Now I believe that life begins at conception. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| That's why -- those are the reasons why I'm pro-life. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Now I understand this is a difficult issue, and I respect people who don't agree with me on this, but the policy of a Romney administration will be to oppose abortions with the exceptions for rape, incest and life of the mother. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| What troubles me more is how this administration has handled all of these issues. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Look at what they're doing through Obamacare with respect to assaulting the religious liberties of this country. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| They're infringing upon our first freedom, the freedom of religion, by infringing on Catholic charities, Catholic churches, Catholic hospitals. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Our church should not have to sue our federal government to maintain their religious liberties. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And with respect to abortion, the Democratic Party used to say they wanted it to be safe, legal and rare. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Now they support it without restriction and with taxpayer funding. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Taxpayer funding in Obamacare, taxpayer funding with foreign aid. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| The vice president himself went to China and said that he sympathized and wouldn't second guess their one child policy of forced abortions and sterilizations. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| That to me is pretty extreme. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Vice President Biden? | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| My religion defines who I am, and I've been a practicing Catholic my whole life. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And has particularly informed my social doctrine. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| The Catholic social doctrine talks about taking care of those who -- who can't take care of themselves, people who need help. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| With regard to -- with regard to abortion, I accept my church's position on abortion as a -- what we call a (inaudible) doctrine. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Life begins at conception in the church's judgment. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| I accept it in my personal life. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| But I refuse to impose it on equally devout Christians and Muslims and Jews, and I just refuse to impose that on others, unlike my friend here, the -- the congressman. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| I -- I do not believe that we have a right to tell other people that -- women they can't control their body. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| It's a decision between them and their doctor. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| In my view and the Supreme Court, I'm not going to interfere with that. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| With regard to the assault on the Catholic church, let me make it absolutely clear, no religious institution, Catholic or otherwise, including Catholic Social Services, Georgetown Hospital, Mercy Hospital, any hospital, none has to either refer contraception, none has to pay for contraception, none has to be a vehicle to get contraception in any insurance policy they provide. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| That is a fact. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| That is a fact. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | NaN | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Now with regard to the way in which the -- we differ, my friend says that he -- well I guess he accepts Governor Romney's position now, because in the past he has argued that there was -- there's rape and forcible rape. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| He's argued that in the case of rape or incest, it was still -- it would be a crime to engage in having an abortion. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| I just fundamentally disagree with my friend. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Congressman Ryan. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| All I'm saying is, if you believe that life begins at conception, that, therefore, doesn't change the definition of life. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| That's a principle. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| The policy of a Romney administration is to oppose abortion with exceptions for rape, incest and life of the mother. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Now, I've got to take issue with the Catholic church and religious liberty. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| You have on the issue... (CROSSTALK) | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| ... why would they keep -- why would they keep suing you? | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| It's a distinction without a difference. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| I want to go back to the abortion question here. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| If the Romney-Ryan ticket is elected, should those who believe that abortion should remain legal be worried? | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We don't think that unelected judges should make this decision; that people through their elected representatives in reaching a consensus in society through the democratic process should make this determination. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| The court -- the next president will get one or two Supreme Court nominees. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| That's how close Roe v. Wade is. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Just ask yourself, with Robert Bork being the chief adviser on the court for -- for Mr. Romney, who do you think he's likely to appoint? | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Do you think he's likely to appoint someone like Scalia or someone else on the court far right that would outlaw (inaudible) -- outlaw abortion? | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| I suspect that would happen. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| I guarantee you, that will not happen. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We picked two people. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We pick people who are open-minded. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| They've been good justices. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| So keep an eye on the Supreme Court... | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Was there a litmus test on them? | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| There was no litmus test. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We picked people who had an open mind; did not come with an agenda. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| I'm -- I'm going to move on to this closing question because we are running out of time. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Certainly (inaudible) and you've said it here tonight, that the two of you respect our troops enormously. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Your son has served and perhaps someday your children will serve as well. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| I recently spoke to a highly decorated soldier who said that this presidential campaign has left him dismayed. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| He told me, quote, "the ads are so negative and they are all tearing down each other rather than building up the country." | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| What would you say to that American hero about this campaign? | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And at the end of the day, are you ever embarrassed by the tone? | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Vice President Biden? | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| I would say to him the same thing I say to my son who did serve a year in Iraq, that we only have one truly sacred obligation as a government. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| That's to equip those we send into harm's way and care for those who come home. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| That's the only sacred obligation we have. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Everything else falls behind that. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| I would also tell him that the fact that he, this decorated soldier you talked about, fought for his country, that that should be honored. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| He should not be thrown into a category of a 47 percent who don't pay their taxes while he was out there fighting and not having to pay taxes, and somehow not taking responsibility. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| I would also tell him that there are things that have occurred in this campaign and occur in every campaign that I'm sure both of us regret anyone having said, particularly in these -- these special new groups that can go out there, raise all the money they want, not have to identify themselves, who say the most scurrilous things about the other candidate. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| It's -- it's an abomination. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| But the bottom line here is I'd ask that hero you referenced to take a look at whether or not Governor Romney or President Obama has the conviction to help lift up the middle class, restore them to where they were before this great recession hit and they got wiped out. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Or whether or not he's going to continue to focus on taking care of only the very wealthy, not asking them to make -- pay any part of the deal to bring -- bring back the middle class and the economy of this country. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| I'd ask him to take a look at whether the president of the United States has acted wisely in the use of force and whether or not the slipshod comments being made by my -- my -- or by Governor Romney serve -- serve our interests very well. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| But there are things that have been said in campaigns that I -- I find not very appealing. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Congressman Ryan? | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| First of all, I'd thank him to his service to our country. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Second of all, I'd say we are not going to impose these devastating cuts on our military which compromises their mission and their safety. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And then I would say, you have a president who ran for president four years ago promising hope and change, who has now turned his campaign into attack, blame and defame. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| You see, if you don't have a good record to run on, then you paint your opponent as someone to run from. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| That was what President Obama said in 2008. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| It's what he's doing right now. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Look at all the string of broken promises. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| If you like your health care plan, you can keep it. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Try telling that to the 20 million people who are projected to lose their health insurance if Obamacare goes through or the 7-point million -- 7.4 million seniors who are going to lose it. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Or remember when he said this: I guarantee if you make less than $250,000, your taxes won't go up. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Of the 21 tax increases in Obamacare, 12 of them hit the middle class. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Or remember when he said health insurance premiums will go down $2,500 per family, per year? | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| They've gone up $3,000, and they're expected to go up another $2,400. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Or remember when he said, "I promise by the end of my first term I'll cut the deficit in half in four years"? | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We've had four budgets, four trillion-dollar deficits. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| A debt crisis is coming. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We can't keep spending and borrowing like this. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We can't keep spending money we don't have. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Leaders run to problem to fix problems. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| President Obama has not even put a credible plan on the table in any of his four years to deal with this debt crisis. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| I passed two budgets to deal with this. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Mitt Romney's put ideas on the table. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We've got to tackle this debt crisis before it tackles us. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| The president likes to say he has a plan. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| He gave a speech. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We asked his budget office, "Can we see the plan?" | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| They sent us to the press secretary. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| He gave us a copy of the speech. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We asked the Congressional Budget Office, "Tell us what President Obama's plan is to prevent a debt crisis." | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| They said, "It's a speech, we can't estimate speeches." | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| You see, that's what we get in this administration -- speeches -- but we're not getting leadership. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Mitt Romney is uniquely qualified to fix these problems. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| His lifetime of experience, his proven track record of bipartisanship. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And what do we have from the president? | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| He broke his big promise to bring people together to solve the country's biggest problems. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And what I would tell him is we don't have to settle for this. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Martha? | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We can do better than this. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| I hope I'll get equal time. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| You will get just a few minutes here. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| A few seconds, really. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| The two budgets the congressman introduced have eviscerated all the things that the middle class cares about. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| It is (inaudible) he will knock 19 million people off of Medicare. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| It will kick 200,000 children off of early education. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| It will eliminate the tax credit people have to be able to send their children to college. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| It cuts education by $450 billion. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| It does -- it does virtually nothing except continue to increase the tax cuts for the very wealthy. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And, you know, we've had enough of this. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| The idea that he's so concerned about these deficits, I've pointed out he voted to put two wars on a credit card. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| He did... | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We're going to -- we're going to the closing statements in a minute. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| (CROSSTALK) | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| You're going to have your closing statement. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Not raising taxes is not cutting taxes. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And by the way, our budget... | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We have not raised... (CROSSTALK) | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| ... by 3 percent a year instead of 4.5 percent like they propose. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Not spending more money as much as they say is not a spending cut. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Let me -- let me calm down things here just for a minute. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And I want to talk to you very briefly before we go to closing statements about your own personal character. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| If you are elected, what could you both give to this country as a man, as a human being, that no one else could? | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Honesty, no one else could? | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| There are plenty of fine people who could lead this country. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| But what you need are people who, when they say they're going to do something, they go do it. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| What you need are, when people see problems, they offer solutions to fix those problems. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We're not getting that. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Look, we can grow this economy faster. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| That's what our five- point plan for a stronger middle class is all about. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| It's about getting 12 million jobs, higher take-home pay, getting people out of poverty into the middle class. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| That means going with proven, pro- growth policies that we know works to get people back to work. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Putting ideas on the table, working with Democrats -- that actually works sometimes -- and then... (CROSSTALK) | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Vice President, can we get to that -- to that issue of what you could bring as a man, a human being? | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And I really -- I'm going to keep you to about 15 seconds here. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Well, he gets 40, I get 15, that's OK. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| He didn't have 40. | Martha Raddatz | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| He didn't have 40. | Martha Raddatz | NaN | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| That's all right. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Let me tell you. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| I -- my -- my record stands for itself. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| I never say anything I don't mean. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Everybody knows, whatever I say, I do. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And my whole life has been devoted to leveling the playing field for middle-class people, giving them an even break, treating Main Street and Wall Street the same, hold them to the same responsibility. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Look at my record. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| It's been all about the middle class. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| They're the people who grow this country. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We think you grow this country from the middle out, not from the top down. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| OK, we now turn to the candidates for their closing statements. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Thank you, gentlemen. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And that coin toss, again, has Vice President Biden starting with the closing statement. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Well, let -- let me say at the outset that I want to thank you, Martha, for doing this, and Centre College. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| The fact is that we're in a situation where we inherited a god-awful circumstance. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| People are in real trouble. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We acted to move to bring relief to the people who need the most help now. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And -- and in the process, we -- in case you haven't noticed, we have strong disagreements, but I -- you probably detected my frustration with their attitude about the American people. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| My friend says that 30 percent of the American people are takers. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Romney points out 47 percent of the people won't take responsibility. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| He's talking about my mother and father. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| He's talking about the places I grew up in, my neighbors in Scranton and Claymont, and he's talking about -- he's talking about the people that have built this country. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| All they're looking for, Martha, all they're looking for is an even shot. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Whenever you give them the shot, they've done it. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| They've done it. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Whenever you've leveled the playing field, they've been able to move. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And they want a little bit of peace of mind. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And the president and I are not going to rest until that playing field is leveled, they, in fact, have a clear shot, and they have peace of mind, until they can turn to their kid and say with a degree of confidence, "Honey, it's going to be OK. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| It's going to be OK." That's what this is all about. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Congressman Ryan? | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| I want to thank you, as well, Martha, Danville, Kentucky, Centre College, and I want to thank you, Joe. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| It's been an honor to engage in this critical debate. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We face a very big choice. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| What kind of country are we going to be? | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| What kind of country are we going to give our kids? | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| President Obama, he had his chance. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| He made his choices. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| His economic agenda, more spending, more borrowing, higher taxes, a government takeover of health care. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| It's not working. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| It's failed to create the jobs we need. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Twenty-three million Americans are struggling for work today. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Fifteen percent of Americans are in poverty. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| This is not what a real recovery looks like. | Paul D. Ryan | Premise | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| You deserve better. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Mitt Romney and I want to earn your support. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We're offering real reforms for a real recovery for every American. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Mitt Romney -- his experience, his ideas, his solutions -- is uniquely qualified to get this job done. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| At a time when we have a jobs crisis in America, wouldn't it be nice to have a job-creator in the White House? | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| The choice is clear: a stagnant economy that promotes more government dependency or a dynamic, growing economy that promotes opportunity and jobs. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Mitt Romney and I will not duck the tough issues, and we will not blame others for the next four years. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We will take responsibility. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And we will not try to replace our founding principles. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| We will reapply our founding principles. | Paul D. Ryan | Claim | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| The choice is clear, and the choice rests with you. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And we ask you for your vote. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Thank you. | Paul D. Ryan | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| And thank you both again. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Thank you very much. | Martha Raddatz | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |
| Thank you. | Joseph(Joe) R. Biden | O | 2012 | 11 Oct 2012 |